1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: We know that on Friday, well, some of you may 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: have missed that news that over thirteen thousand households in 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory have had their solar feed in tariff 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: slashed so across the board, it's going to add a 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: total of twelve million dollars. Essentially. Under the grandfathered feed 6 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: in tariffs, anyone who had installed solar panels on their 7 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: roofs before April twenty twenty was being paid twenty six 8 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: point six five cents per killer what hour they fed 9 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,159 Speaker 1: back into the territory's power greed. Homeowners who installed the 10 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: solar after April twenty twenty, though, were only being paid 11 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: nine point one to three cents a killer what hour. 12 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: Now the Renewables and Energy Minister Eva Lawla announced this 13 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: on Friday that Jacana Energy is set to gradually transition 14 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: customers off the premium feed in tariff once they've been 15 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: on the system for four years. So these changes come 16 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: ahead of this week's budget and like I said, it 17 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: is going to impact roughly thirteen thousand homes. Now joining 18 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 1: me on the line to talk more about this and 19 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,279 Speaker 1: the concerns which have been raised about the changes is 20 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: the opposition spokesperson for Renewables and Energy, Joshua Burgoin, Good 21 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: morning to you. 22 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: Good morning, Katie, Good morning to your listeners. 23 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: Josh What are people saying to you about these changes? 24 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 2: I think your texted just from before Katie really sums 25 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: this up. People feel like they've been led to. The 26 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 2: Labor government went ahead, they promised people when they came 27 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 2: out and said that they were going to grandfather all 28 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 2: the old freed in tariff rates prior to their last announcement, 29 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 2: and now they come out a few months later, after 30 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 2: all this mismanagement with the budget, they're trying to save 31 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 2: a few cents and the people that they're hurting the 32 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 2: most are the hard work Territorians that have invested their 33 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: own hard earned money to ensure that not only you know, 34 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 2: they're doing their bit for climate change and they're putting 35 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: solo on their house, but they're also trying to keep 36 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: their own power bills down. And this effects a lot 37 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 2: of people, a lot of senior people, retirees who might 38 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: have invested this money back when they had an income 39 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 2: coming in. Now they don't. That's what I'm hearing from 40 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: a lot of people. You know, they're worried about how 41 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: high their power bill is going to go up now 42 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 2: that their feed in tariff ray is going to be slashed. 43 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got to tell you. On Friday, obviously the 44 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: announcement came out about the batteries, and then we sort 45 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: of weren't aware that this was part of the announcement. 46 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: I read it in the paper on Saturday, but prior 47 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: to that, I'd already had friends messaging me saying, you know, 48 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: this is going to have a big impact on me. 49 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: I forked out the cash to get the solar panels, 50 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: and we thought that we were going to you know, 51 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: going to be getting this amount back, and now that's 52 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: going to change. What do you think that it is 53 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: going to mean for homeowners who've got solar? 54 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I got my power bill just the other day, Kadie, 55 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 2: and straight away I went away trying to work out 56 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: exactly what it would mean for myself. You know, I'm 57 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 2: an average territory and my wife and I am a 58 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: young kid at home. You know, I looked at the 59 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 2: average usage from most homers and it's going to meet 60 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: in some cases that people's power bills will double. I mean, 61 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: they were getting a really good incentive previously now they 62 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 2: won't be and I think that's where they're going to 63 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: hit the hip pocket of a lot of people. And 64 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 2: it could not have come at a worse time, Katio. I mean, 65 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 2: you look at everything that's happening in the world at 66 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 2: the moment of the fuel prices going up, they've got 67 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: interest rates going up. Why the government have picked today 68 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 2: or this week, last week, of all times? I mean 69 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 2: they came out previously they said that anyone on that 70 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 2: old tariff wereight was not going to be effected. They've 71 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: breaken that promise and it could not have happened at 72 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: a worse time to territory. 73 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: Are we in a situation here, though, Josh, where the 74 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: system can't handle it? You know, do they need to 75 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: actually be having a closer look at this because potentially 76 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: the system can't handle it and they're trying to drive 77 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: people towards those batteries instead. 78 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: Well, this is exactly why the CLP came out before 79 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: the last election and we said we would have doubled 80 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 2: that battery incentive from six thousand to twelve thousand. But 81 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: when we talk about trying to stabilize the system, they've 82 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: already done that by obviously reducing the paraphrate to nine 83 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 2: cents for new people. So they're trying to stop people 84 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: from just putting on solar and trying to incentivize people 85 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 2: to install solar and batteries. The batteries is the key, 86 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: and I think this is really what a lot of 87 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: people are frustrated about. They invested a lot of money 88 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 2: in that solar. Originally some people are still paying it back. 89 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: They might have signed up to a ten year payment 90 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 2: plan or eight year payment plan. Not everyone's going to 91 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: have it paid off in four years. Now. They've been 92 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: told no, all your financial decisions you made are wrong. 93 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 2: We're going to flash the tariff right. And I think 94 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 2: that's really where people are frustrated. They're really frustrated that 95 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: they made financial decisions based on promises made by the 96 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: Labor government and they've now gone back on that. 97 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 1: Josh, how do you reckon that this is going to 98 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 1: impact our target side to reach the fifty percent renewable 99 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: energy by twenty thirty. Do you think that it's going 100 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: to have a big impact. 101 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 2: Well, it's certainly not making it more incentive. There certainly 102 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: is not that incentive like there was to install solar. 103 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 2: We continue to say if they're serious. If the Labor 104 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: government is serious about getting those targets, we need to 105 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 2: make sure people are installing and batteries. Batteries are the 106 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 2: key to make sure that we basically level out those 107 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 2: peaks and troughs that we see. And obviously in other 108 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: springs we saw a huge impact in up our system 109 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,799 Speaker 2: when basically the whole town we had a code black 110 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 2: for twelve hours due to some clouds coming over and 111 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: a whole heap of issues occurring. We need to ensure 112 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 2: that the future technology, the batteries and some of these 113 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 2: microsystems that we talk about are invested in. The government 114 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 2: have come out and said, oh yeah, we'll further our 115 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 2: old scheme for a little bit longer. That's great, but 116 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: again we really want to see some investment in this area. 117 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 2: We want to make sure that it actually incentivizes people 118 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 2: to go after and get these batteries. What Labor have 119 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 2: done is they've promised one thing and delivered another. I 120 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 2: think a lot of territories are feeling pretty upset waking 121 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 2: up finding out this year. 122 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: So Josh, you reckon that. The answer here is, you 123 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: know that essentially they need to be more so incentivizing 124 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: to go out and get the batteries as well. That 125 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,799 Speaker 1: then if you have got the solar, you're then able 126 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: to go about it that way. I guess the difficulty 127 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: is that it is forking out more money right from 128 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: the get go. 129 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 2: Absolutely, But for someone like myself who's got solar already, 130 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 2: I don't have batteries. If there was, if you're going 131 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: to double the battery incentive, someone like myself might go. See, 132 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: you know, the future, I'm going to have an electric car. 133 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 2: I'm going to my tower. Usage is going to go up, 134 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 2: so I need that battery to be storing power during 135 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 2: the day so when I get home, I can then 136 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 2: utilize that. And I think that's really what we have 137 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: to do. We really have to incentivize people to make 138 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 2: the change. Whereas currently obviously you're on that old twenty 139 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 2: sixth cents or you were, there's no incentive to change over. 140 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 2: And that's where now labor just come in. They said, no, 141 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 2: we're scrapping the whole lot, which is just we wan't 142 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 2: to incentivize people to invest in these technologies. That's why 143 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,239 Speaker 2: this thing originally came about, to incentivize people to invest 144 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: in solar. We've now reached a point where we've got 145 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 2: solar saturation in our grid, more batteries and what labor 146 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: are doing is they're not properly investing in that technology. Yes, 147 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: they've extended this thing, we would have gone further and 148 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 2: we just can't believe that people that have paid good 149 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 2: money in the past to get on to SOLA to 150 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 2: do the right thing are now basically ending up worse off. 151 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: Now, Josh. Obviously Parliament does resume in the Northern Territory 152 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: this week. What is going to be on the opposition's agenda. 153 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: Oh, look, there's a mountain of work, Kadie that is 154 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 2: in front of us. I think there's something like seven 155 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 2: pieces of legislation the government have got. Obviously the Chow 156 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 2: these powers for the Chief Health Officer of things that 157 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: people have been coming up and speaking with me about. 158 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: I mean, the government needs to come clean on why 159 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 2: I believe that the Chief Health Officer needs unfettered rules 160 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 2: for the next two years. You know, we're coming out 161 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 2: of COVID. Obviously it's still impacting people in certain ways, 162 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: but we believe that the show not only needs to 163 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: be reporting on why he's making these decisions that if 164 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 2: the government are really keen on this. They need to 165 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: be able to come in front of the people gizett 166 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: it like they always have every whatever it is three months, 167 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 2: and actually come out and say, look, guys, this is 168 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: why we need these emergency powers. They are sweeping, they 169 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: are broad ranging. This is why we need to extend it, 170 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 2: not just this set and forgetting. Oh yeah, for the 171 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 2: next two years, we're going to give an unelected official 172 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 2: all the powers in the world that simply doesn't pass 173 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 2: the pub test. And when I go around and chat 174 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 2: with people in the community, that's what they're genuinely worried about, 175 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: as well as crime, because unfortunately this morning I've waken 176 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 2: up and there's been quite a number of ram raids 177 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 2: in the elector of Brakeling and in my community of 178 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 2: Bella Springs. Crime is a big one. 179 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: What happened overnight, Josh, with those ram raids. 180 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 2: Overnight and our springs, there's been a vehicle that's reportedly 181 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 2: been stolen. They've basically smashed into the local motorcycle story. 182 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: Then they've gone through good measure and smashed into a 183 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 2: local survey so ramming the doors and just causing thousands 184 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 2: of dollars of damage. I mean This is on top 185 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 2: of business that are already hurting from increased crime from 186 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 2: smash windows in our community. It's simply not good enough, 187 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: and the Gunner government continue to bury their head in 188 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 2: the sand. All I ask for every time Katie I 189 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 2: come on your radio, look at their own media release 190 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 2: from I think it was June twenty twenty, before the 191 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 2: last election. They promised that they would cut youth crime 192 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 2: and actually crack down on these repeat offenders. They've never 193 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: implemented those things that day announced. These are things Day 194 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: announced the government. And I'll tell you what, it'd be 195 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 2: a start, Katie to dealing with some of the issues 196 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 2: that we face right across the Northern territory when it 197 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 2: comes to crime. 198 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we feel it up here in the 199 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: top end, but I feel for the people of Alice Springs. 200 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: I know that it's been an issue for such a 201 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: long period of time, and you know, I think that 202 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: it's going to have to reach a point where the 203 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: government does really need to take it seriously. I think 204 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: there needs to be a real bipartisan approach when it 205 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: comes to crime, because what is happening at the moment 206 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 1: is just not good enough. 207 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: No, it's not Katie, and we continue to say, you know, 208 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 2: whenever the chief winess is down our of Springs is 209 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: our doors are always open. Seems to be walking through 210 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 2: the same doors every time he comes down there, and 211 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: really avoiding the victims of crime, the people that he 212 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 2: needs to speak to, you know, because if you look 213 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 2: into someone's face that's worked hard to build up their 214 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 2: business and they've just had their front doors smashed in, 215 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what it really does make you think, 216 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 2: what can I do? What can we do more to 217 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 2: change these things and turn turn the situation around well. 218 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: Josh Burgoyne, the member for Braitlang and also the opposition 219 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: spokesperson for Renewables and Energy, we appreciate your time this morning. 220 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for chatting with us. 221 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 2: Thanks for your time, Catty, thank you