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Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It is Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: the thirty first of May, the last day of the month.

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Speaker 1: Winter is coming tomorrow, and in some places in the

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Speaker 1: country it's very much already here. For today's deep dive,

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Speaker 1: we're going to be joined by Tom Crowley to take

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Speaker 1: you through all the new parts of Canberra because it's

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Speaker 1: a very different looking parliament to this time two weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: and so we thought we'd take you through the renovations

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Speaker 1: and give you a lay of the land. Zara give

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Speaker 1: us a sneak peek of what we're going to hear.

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Speaker 1: Who is the new leader of the Liberal Party?

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Speaker 2: So in news that surprised nobody, Peter Dudden was confirmed

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Speaker 2: as the new leader of the Liberal Party yesterday. He

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Speaker 2: was elected unopposed, meaning there were no other contenders for

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Speaker 2: the leadership position, and the same happened in the deputy

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Speaker 2: leader role. Susan Lee, she's the former Environment Minister. She

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Speaker 2: was elected as deputy Leader of the Liberal Party.

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Speaker 1: We found out a little bit more about what Peter

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Speaker 1: Duddon wants Australia to look like. He said he wanted

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Speaker 1: Australia to support aspiration and reward hard work to take

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Speaker 1: proper care of those Australians who can't take care of themselves.

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Speaker 1: The new Liberal leader also said the issue of China

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Speaker 1: under President g is the biggest issue our country will

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Speaker 1: face in our lifetimes. When I asked about his character,

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Speaker 1: he said, I'm not going to change, but I want

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Speaker 1: people to see the entire person I am and make

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Speaker 1: their own judgments when they meet me.

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Speaker 2: Moving now away from the Liberal Party temporarily, AGL, Australia's

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Speaker 2: largest carbon polluter, has dumped a controversial proposal linked to

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Speaker 2: its plan to transition out of coal by twenty forty five.

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Speaker 2: So this was really big news yesterday and in a statement,

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Speaker 2: the company's board said it still believed the plan was

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Speaker 2: The interesting part of this is that the board linked

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Speaker 2: this to opposition from Grock Ventures. And Grock Ventures is

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Speaker 2: the investment firm co owned by billionaire Mike cannon Brooks,

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Speaker 2: And of course Mike cannon Brooks is a big, big

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Speaker 1: And some very relevant good news to that story. The

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Speaker 1: new South Wales government is sent to ban lightweight plastic

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Speaker 1: bags from Wednesday. The government says it's the first of

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Speaker 1: a succession of bands that will ensure single use plastics

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Speaker 1: are on the way out in the state. It's my

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Speaker 1: absolute pleasure to welcome back to the podcast, Tom Crowley,

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Speaker 1: our political journalist. Tom. You had a few days off.

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Speaker 1: I understand there was a bit of an election hangover

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Speaker 1: to get a handle of. Are you feeling refreshed?

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Speaker 3: I am feeling somewhat fresh, Sam certainly fresher than I

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Speaker 3: was on kind of Sunday and Monday after our flurry

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Speaker 3: of posts last election weekend. It's been nice to let

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Speaker 3: back and good to join you.

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Speaker 1: And now that the dust has settled, we have a

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Speaker 1: new lick of paint on pretty much every corner of Canberra.

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Speaker 1: I want to start with the current government. What is

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Speaker 1: your take now on who's in there, what's new and

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Speaker 1: what are we looking forward to?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sow new government we saw. I think maybe one

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Speaker 3: So we also saw Penny Wong, the Foreign Minister, be

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Speaker 3: and transition to power, as I say, happens in Australia

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Speaker 1: So it looks like the current government will be all

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Speaker 1: Now let's turn to the opposition, because yesterday there was

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Speaker 3: That's right, Sam, So the Liberal Party and the National Party,

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Speaker 3: they're the two parties that make up the coalition. Was

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Speaker 3: Peter Dutton, of course tried to be leader once before.

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Speaker 3: He challenged Malcolm Turnbull back in twenty eighteen for the

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Speaker 1: And then we also have a new leadership in the

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Speaker 3: There's been a lot of suggestion that Barnaby Joyce and

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Speaker 1: It's a really different looking House of Representatives to this

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Speaker 1: And I think the leaders are going to bring a

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Speaker 3: And you're right, Sam, I think it's going to look

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Speaker 1: An interesting renovation of the House if you put it

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