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Speaker 1: It is federal budget, well, Federal Budgets Day today and

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Speaker 1: we've already had a bit of a taste of what

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Speaker 1: roads and also middle arm additional UNI places as we've

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Speaker 1: just heard. But will there be measures to ease the

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Speaker 1: cost of living, Well, that's something that a lot of

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Speaker 1: line a little bit later than what we usually hear

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Speaker 1: from her, it is the Opposition leader Leah Fanocchiaro. Good

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Speaker 1: morning to you, Leah.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie and Jure your listeners and thank you. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I've just landed in Manning Greta, so a little bit

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Speaker 2: later than normal, but so all goodness.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, we appreciate it. Thank you for still taking

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Speaker 1: the time to have a chat with us this morning. Leah.

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Speaker 1: What are you hoping to see in the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the federal budget.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we know there's been a lot of talk

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Speaker 2: around the coalition government's promises being kept and so really

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Speaker 2: the proof will have to be in the pudding. We

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Speaker 2: want to see that significant road funding for the Marini Loop,

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Speaker 2: for the Afpath way for the Tanami and a number

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Speaker 2: of other really critical unsealed roads across the territory, because

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Speaker 2: we know that roads bring not only economic opportunity and development,

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Speaker 2: but also social opportunity. So we're really going to be

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Speaker 2: focused on that roads funding, but we also want to

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Speaker 2: really whilst the federal government is saying that one point

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Speaker 2: need the Files government to actually turn that into action.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's fine to have the money, but we

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Speaker 2: really then need that development to be fast tracked to

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Speaker 2: ensure that we've got really solid development out in our harbor.

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Speaker 1: Well, and look, I may be wrong, but I thought

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Speaker 1: there'd also been some pushback from the Greens as well

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Speaker 1: when it comes to that development at Middle Arm. Are

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Speaker 2: Well, I am under a File's government because as we know,

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Speaker 2: they very are left focused government and they succumb to

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Speaker 2: the pressure that the Greens apply. Now, environmental protection is

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Speaker 2: absolutely fundamental and important, but as we know, you can

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Speaker 2: The Greens are just opposed to the development of Middle

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Speaker 2: Arm because they oppose growth and development. And if the

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Speaker 2: have serious problems. Our economy already is for the sixteenth

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Speaker 2: quarter the worth performing economy in the nation. Middle Arm

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Speaker 2: is not an option and certainly, Katie, under a CLP

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Speaker 2: government I lead, that will be a fast track development.

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Speaker 1: You know, looking at the State of the State report

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Speaker 1: the results were four years of proof that labor couldn't

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Speaker 1: manage the economy. What do you make of the government

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Speaker 1: pointing to IMPECS as the reason that those numbers are

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Speaker 2: I think it shows that Natasha Files is exactly the

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Speaker 2: same as Michael Gunner. He used to take the concept

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Speaker 2: the same. But what this government can't hike from is

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Speaker 2: the fact that Deloitte Access to Economics is saying exactly

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Speaker 2: So this government has run out of places to hide

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Speaker 2: when it comes to our economy. We know retail spendings down,

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Speaker 2: We've seen this massive decline in economic opportunity. So they

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Speaker 2: what's lacking on the labor side, is a lack of

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Speaker 1: Lea. The government want to grow the economy to a

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Speaker 2: Look, that's a very ambitious target and you know, if

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Speaker 2: I mean we've only just seen the final Pepper inquiring

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Speaker 2: We've seen projects fall over like a luxury hotel and

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Speaker 2: I was Chief Minister Katie, I would be slashing approval

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Speaker 2: time frames across government by fifty percent. Let's get private

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Speaker 1: Seas has said than done, do you reckon like slashing

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Speaker 2: And that's a great question and the answer is absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: It's about recognizing that the private sector is what's going

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Speaker 1: Lara, I just want to jump back for a moment

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Speaker 1: Do you think that should happen?

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Speaker 2: Well, look, men, not being part of the federal cabinet,

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Speaker 1: Haven't had a huge amount of support from end in

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Speaker 2: I really do, Katie, this of cause came about from

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Speaker 1: Leah, before I let you go this morning, we know

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Speaker 2: It's almost too little, too late. I mean the fact

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Speaker 2: We've got the original document and when you compare the

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Speaker 2: it's almost the same. And now you've got the government

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Speaker 2: responsible for youth justice, which is why we would remove it.

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Speaker 2: And we also do not support the raising of the

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Speaker 2: age of criminal responsibility to twelve because it is just

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Speaker 2: further eroding consequences for offending. It will mean less crime stats,

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Speaker 2: not less crime.

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Speaker 1: Well, Leaf and Occhiara, we are going to have to

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Speaker 1: leave it there. All appreciate your time. Thanks very much

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Speaker 1: for having a chat with us. I hope that all

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Speaker 1: is well in Madame Greta.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's looking fantastic. I can't wait to get on

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Speaker 2: the ground and start chatting to people. We had a

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Speaker 2: welcome to country earlier and now it's time to get

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Speaker 2: amongst it, so it'll be a great day.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Keen, good stuff. Thanks Lea