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Speaker 1: It's time for the week that was. And joining us

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Speaker 1: in the studio today we've got Marie Claire booth Be.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Marie Claire.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katy, and good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: And of course you are obviously the opposition spokesperson for tourism, business,

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Speaker 1: a raft of different things. We appreciate you being here

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Speaker 1: this morning. Thank you. Keezier Puric, the member for Goida,

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Speaker 1: good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: And good morning and good morning to the people in

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Speaker 3: the deep Woods.

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Speaker 1: Oh would we say that you're the spokesperson for everything? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that'll do, yeah and everythings me yes, ask me, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: And also joining us in the studio this morning is

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Speaker 1: the Attorney General of the Northern Territory, Chancey Paid. Good

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Speaker 1: morning to you, Good.

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Speaker 4: Morning Katie, and a shout out to everyone across the territory.

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Speaker 5: Well it is Alla has come to be.

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Speaker 4: At the moment.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what. There is so much to

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Speaker 1: cover off on this morning. And we do know that

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Speaker 1: the Fanny Bay by election it is set to take

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Speaker 1: place on August twenty and yesterday we finally found out

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Speaker 1: exactly who's going to be running. Six candidates have nominated

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Speaker 1: for that election. So we've got Brent Potter from the

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Speaker 1: Australian Labor Party. We've got George made Mozalees an independent,

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Speaker 1: raj Rajwan, who I think you know has run out

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Speaker 1: every election running as an independent, Jonathan Parry for the Greens,

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Speaker 1: Leah Potter again who's run it just about every election,

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Speaker 1: and Ben Hosking from the Country Liberal Party. It is

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Speaker 1: going to be an interesting race. I said it on

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Speaker 1: Tuesday and I'll say it again. I just can't believe

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Speaker 1: that we've got two candidates from both the major parties

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Speaker 1: running who live in Palmerston.

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Speaker 3: And Parmaston is a very fine place.

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Speaker 1: It's a great place.

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Speaker 3: That's unusual for me to say that because normally are

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Speaker 3: bag Parmerston. Oh you do not, do you know, because

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Speaker 3: trying to encroach into the rule area Lichfield Palmston fire

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Speaker 3: station in Lichfield. Anyway, it will be an interesting by

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Speaker 3: election and I think, and I've said this before, I

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Speaker 3: a big test for both leaders. I mean, it always

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Speaker 3: isn't any by election.

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Speaker 5: You know, by.

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Speaker 3: Elections traditionally will historically go against the government. But the

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Speaker 3: other thing to watch out for, I think in this

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Speaker 3: by election. If there's a strong voter turnout in pre polling,

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Speaker 3: that's where you'll get the drift. That means people are

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Speaker 3: very concerned and very wanting to cast their vote. In

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Speaker 3: other words, they want to make their sure their vote counts.

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Speaker 3: I don't believe that goes well for the government.

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Speaker 1: I was hoping that a strong Teal independent might put

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Speaker 1: their hand up, or an independence bloke you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: well the Green Sky here's obviously no, they're not very Teal,

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Speaker 1: are they.

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Speaker 3: But they're not for anything.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, however, you look at Ash, it's certainly going

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Speaker 1: investing ten million dollars for a new preschool at Parap.

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Speaker 1: I believe there was also on announcement yesterday for Bundella beef.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, come on, we didn't come down to the last

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Speaker 4: Well, it hasn't rained for a while and it has

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Speaker 4: been on the Forward Plan, it's been in the infrastructure plan,

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Speaker 4: and I think absolutely we are working to that plan.

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Speaker 4: As I said it was in the Infrastructure Plan. This

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Speaker 4: is not a new announcement. It's been there in black

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Speaker 5: I announced right in the middle of a b election.

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Speaker 4: We're working towards what is in the plan. I think

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Speaker 4: when we talk about candidates running for seats in Parliament,

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Speaker 4: it's important to acknowledge that not all candidates and not

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Speaker 4: all members of the Legislative Assembly live in their electorates,

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Speaker 4: whether that's in state and territory assemblies. I think that's

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Speaker 4: by election offers the people of Fanny Bay, Ladmiller, Perapp

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Speaker 5: Absolutely something.

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Speaker 6: Katie, I just want to jump in there because I mean,

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Speaker 6: I hear what chance he's saying. It feels like he's

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Speaker 6: just saying this is nothing, nothing to see here. This

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Speaker 6: election is actually the chance for voters who are absolutely

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Speaker 6: sick and tired of all the excuses that labor has

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Speaker 6: been giving to them. They love to blame everybody else

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Speaker 6: for all their problems. We have sickening rates of crime

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Speaker 6: but especially in Fanny Bay. We have people with the

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Speaker 6: cost of living which is skyrocketing.

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Speaker 2: It's through the roof.

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Speaker 6: They feel like they have not been heard. Nobody is

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Speaker 6: listening to them. And what we have though, is a

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Speaker 6: government that has been so busy focusing on IKAC investigations

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Speaker 6: and trying to claw back all their integrity issues.

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Speaker 2: That they've had.

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Speaker 6: And in the last twenty four hours, I mean they've

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Speaker 6: it's it just reeks of let's go to a by

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Speaker 4: Constituents in the Fanny Bay electorate and right across the

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Speaker 4: territory can see what it is in every attempt that

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Speaker 4: the CLP bring to stand up for territorians. People see Throe,

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Speaker 4: they know it's smoking marriage. The two K rule that

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Speaker 4: the CLP were talking about this week, Let's be clear.

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Speaker 4: You already can't drink within two kilometers of a licensed venue.

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Speaker 4: The cost of living prices charge that fuel bill that

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Speaker 4: you introduced, that you didn't even then bring on General

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Speaker 2: You would not even guess what are you going to

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Speaker 4: The position is going to send a peace commission to

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Speaker 1: Now, I think with those petrol prices it is very

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Speaker 1: cute for the government to pretend that no thing can

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Speaker 1: then the bowser. I am going to call it for

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Speaker 1: what it is, bullshit. The government needs to stand up.

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Speaker 1: They actually need to write to the a trible c

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Speaker 1: the Chief Minister needs to stand up and say this

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Speaker 6: That labor government time and time again. This is absolutely

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Speaker 6: the time for people have Funny Bay to send a

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Speaker 6: with your heart.

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Speaker 4: And they absolutely will. I mean Minister Warden, we absolutely

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Speaker 4: got the Minister for Racing, Gaming and License in consumer affairs.

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Speaker 4: We've written to the a trip we'll see raising that concern.

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Speaker 4: I have a Bush electorate. You think the prices are

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Speaker 4: of it. We're working with that, We're talking to the Commonwealth. Look,

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Speaker 1: So what do you reckon's going to happen? What's the

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Speaker 1: you know, I watch your tip keys here. You've got

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Speaker 3: But I'm gonna that's because you know, I must have

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Speaker 3: been a time. Well, there's six candidates, there's the two

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Speaker 1: We will have him show at some point. We've certainly

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Speaker 1: asked to get him on the show, so we'll make

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Speaker 3: There's a couple of or three independents. I sort of

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Speaker 3: know their names and them a little bit. But the

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Speaker 3: more candidates you put in, the more they chip away

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Speaker 3: And also I think the Greens preferences are going to

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Speaker 3: I think it'll be close. I don't think the Brent

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Speaker 3: Now members people might not remember well those long round

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Speaker 5: So there could be a little bit of that.

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Speaker 3: Whether that's Leo Potter's intention, I don't know, but the

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Speaker 3: fact that there's two names with that same surname or

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Speaker 1: Whether it will make a bit of a difference mark up.

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Speaker 3: A little bit of the voting patterns.

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Speaker 6: Well, I've been out in Funny Bay with Ben Hoskins,

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Speaker 6: which is the COLP candidate, and we've been jaw knocking

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Speaker 6: electric feel like they have not been listened to, they

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Speaker 6: haven't had visits from Michael Gunner in the past, and

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Speaker 6: they are looking for change now.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that one of them things that

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Speaker 1: the grand Stand debarcle is going to have any part

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Speaker 3: Well, it could, and I think it would go against

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Speaker 6: And this is the stench of corruption that we're seeing

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Speaker 4: It's a complex system to work through. I think the

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Speaker 1: Off is that review from being released?

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Speaker 6: At the end of the day, we want Natasha Files

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Speaker 7: community here in Darwin. You get twelve months suspension. You

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Speaker 7: can't come into Darwin or any other set of where

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Speaker 7: you bridge the law unless it's medical reason or legal

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Speaker 7: reason and with an escort. I mean, we have to

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Speaker 7: address the issue. People come from communities that they can

442
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Speaker 7: only drink mental strength beer.

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Speaker 4: They come to Darwin, it's party.

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Speaker 1: So that was the Lord Mayor of Darwin combat scarlets

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Speaker 1: on the show.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: I do also want to point out that I have

448
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Speaker 1: been speaking with John Koenig from John John's Overnight and

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Speaker 1: I understand that in the city overnight at the twenty

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Speaker 1: four hour basically at a couple of the twenty four

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Speaker 1: hour stores in the city that they had youths going

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Speaker 1: and I guess run a mark.

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Speaker 2: Is the he's the only way that.

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Speaker 4: Case.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's actually you know, like the thing that

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Speaker 1: I think to myself is how do you still go

457
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Speaker 1: to bloody work.

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Speaker 6: Teenagers who work at these stores sometimes? Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 6: imagine having to get that call and then that child

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Speaker 6: and that youth is upset for the rest of their lives.

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Speaker 1: Well, this impact and it's like, no matter how you

462
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Speaker 1: look at it, there are issues right across the board

463
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Speaker 1: when it comes to anti social behavior. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: yesterday a statement came out from the Northern Territory Police.

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Speaker 1: A man arrested following a domestic violence incident that occurred

466
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Speaker 1: in Jingly on Wednesday night. It's alleged two men known

467
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Speaker 1: to each other engaged in a physical alteration, altercation that

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Speaker 1: later resulted in the death of a forty one year

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Speaker 1: old man. Now, look, we have got some serious issues

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Speaker 1: right now when it comes to I think the misuse

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Speaker 1: of alcohol, when it comes to antisocial behavior, when it

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Speaker 1: comes to domestic violence, and we can't really lump all

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Speaker 1: of them into the one category when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the response of those things. But you know, people deserve

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Speaker 1: to be able to go to work safe. They deserve

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Speaker 1: to be able to walk the streets and feel safe.

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Speaker 1: And right now people are saying that they don't feel

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Speaker 1: that way.

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Speaker 6: No they don't, Katie, And I mean the CeAl P

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Speaker 6: opposition has called for the two kilometer rule to be reinstated.

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Speaker 2: And that's just that's just one measure.

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Speaker 6: And what happens is the government is just saying go away,

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Speaker 6: we don't want to hear from you, and it's not

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Speaker 6: what people are saying.

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Speaker 2: But it's not just the opposition.

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Speaker 6: We have business owners calling for that, we have the

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Speaker 6: Lord mayor calling for that. We have Larichian nations saying

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Speaker 6: that that's a good idea as well, because we need

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Speaker 6: to do something with even one measure the results.

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Speaker 1: Like the way that it has been changed is it's

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Speaker 1: now a medical response rather than a criminal response, is

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Speaker 1: my understanding. It's a response where you're tipping out rather

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Speaker 1: than you know, I guess picking people up.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 6: There's no charge for it. So if you're causing problems,

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Speaker 6: the police cannot do anything. They can't take you somewhere else.

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Speaker 6: They just let you run a muck. And that that's

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Speaker 6: the business and the people that.

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Speaker 4: Are putting up with the truth.

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Speaker 2: You must be out of touch chance already.

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Speaker 4: Have you been down the mall kilometer area of a venue?

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Speaker 4: There are the part I don't even know the plan,

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Speaker 4: So what will say then?

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Speaker 1: If you can't, why are people doing it right now?

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Speaker 4: That police still have the powers to tip out and

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Speaker 4: destroy alcohol consumed within those areas, and they still hold

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Speaker 4: the powers to arrest and infringe when that behavior becomes disorderly,

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Speaker 4: why aren't they doing it then the police are doing it?

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Speaker 3: Well, they might be out of alcohol.

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Speaker 1: Well I don't know. I mean, I don't know how

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Speaker 1: much alcohol is being tipped out.

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Speaker 3: But having said that, Katie, if people are just sitting

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Speaker 3: on a park bench.

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Speaker 1: Well I don't think I don't think that's the concern.

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Speaker 1: I think if people are sitting around on a park bench,

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a big worry in any way. But

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Speaker 1: you know, when you're talking about the anti social behavior,

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Speaker 1: when you're talking about, you know, people wielding knives in

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Speaker 1: will words last week, when you're talking about, you know,

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Speaker 1: people being naked on the street, it should be I

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Speaker 1: think there's a you know, like there's a lot of examples.

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Speaker 3: I think the terminology perhaps needs to be looked at.

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Speaker 3: We say anti social because it's it's against the social behavior,

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Speaker 3: but perhaps we should be referring to it as threatening

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Speaker 3: and aggressive behavior performed by individuals, and then may the

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Speaker 3: message might get through. Antisocial could be anything from picking

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Speaker 3: your nose to being violent, violent and aggressive, So perhaps

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Speaker 3: the language needs to be looked at.

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Speaker 1: So one of the things through one of the things

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Speaker 1: the government did announce this week yesterday announced that two

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Speaker 1: new anti social behavior measures in and in a bid

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Speaker 1: to link people up to shelters and also support services,

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Speaker 1: the territory government is investing one million dollars on a

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Speaker 1: twelve month courtesy bus trial and also extending the foreshore

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Speaker 1: security patrols for another twelve months. So both of those

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Speaker 1: initiatives are an investment of five hundred grand and it

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Speaker 1: is part of what they're hoping will obviously make some

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Speaker 1: changes to this anti social behavior situation. But we do

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Speaker 1: know as well. The courtesy bus is going to be

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Speaker 1: run by a private provider, with the tender to be

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Speaker 1: advertised shortly. It's going to run across Darwen and Palmerston

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Speaker 1: and will drop individuals off to Baton Road. Baton Road

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Speaker 1: is indeed there to accommodate up to four hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty people dependent on family groups. Is it a situation

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Speaker 1: here though, where it is very much voluntary? You know,

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Speaker 1: is somebody like if somebody is in the city doing

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Speaker 1: the wrong thing, not necessarily criminal behavior, but doing the

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Speaker 1: wrong thing, we can't really expect the bus driver to

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Speaker 1: put them on the bus, can we?

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Speaker 4: Again? I think we need to acknowledge that that service

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Speaker 4: is there to link people up to have the opportunity

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Speaker 4: to be transported safely and securely. Again, if people are

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Speaker 4: in our urban areas and they're not doing anything that

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Speaker 4: is seen to bear anti social then they have every

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Speaker 4: right to be there where we are working with and

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Speaker 4: this is a community response in partnership with government, and

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Speaker 4: we've got great providers like Larakia Nation in Darwin and

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Speaker 4: tonguen Jura Council in alas Bris is working with people

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Speaker 4: and the Youth Outreach and Engagement officers, why Territory families

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Speaker 4: in communities. It's working with people to understand the efforts

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Speaker 4: of why they're out on the street, what are the issues?

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Speaker 4: Do they have a safe place to go to?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 1: Look, I have just been messaged by a listener who

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Speaker 1: said that they are at one of Darwin's beautiful restaurants

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Speaker 1: last night. I'm not going to name which one it is,

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Speaker 1: but at a beautiful restaurant last night where a woman

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Speaker 1: ran past screaming because she's being chased by a man.

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Speaker 1: He then started throwing rocks inside that restaurant at the

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Speaker 1: patrons that were there, because she'd obviously gone there for refuge.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is the kind of thing that we're

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Speaker 1: talking about. That's right.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you, County.

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Speaker 6: A bus striver isn't going to be able to do that.

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Speaker 6: I mean, we have our transit safety officers on buses

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Speaker 6: who have very limited powers and really struggle to keep

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Speaker 6: that under control because they don't have access to the police.

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Speaker 6: I mean, the police estimates just recently revealed really damning

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Speaker 6: data about the territory police officers who are being forced

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Speaker 6: to waste several hours the taxi service instead of fighting

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Speaker 6: the crime. I mean they're either dropping them off to

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Speaker 6: the hospital, the watchhouse, a sobering up shelter, or even

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Speaker 6: to their home, and that is an absolute disgrace. I mean,

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Speaker 6: essentially our police officers have been turned into a taxi

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Speaker 6: service and that's just not good enough.

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Speaker 4: Well that's pretty insulting because police don't do that, do

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Speaker 4: a whole range of things to keep territory and safe.

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Speaker 4: We've got organizations out there who provide that service to

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Speaker 4: take people in. This service that we've announced will again

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Speaker 4: be a service, a bus service to provide the transportation

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Speaker 4: for people in the community. But our police do do

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Speaker 4: an outstanding job here in the territory around doing everything

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Speaker 4: that they can to keep territory and safe. We've got

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Speaker 4: those organizations. There's always ways in looking at things of

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Speaker 4: how we can do things differently, but you know, we

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Speaker 4: simply cannot have police on every single corner of the street.

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Speaker 4: This requires a community response.

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Speaker 1: Do you think of of combat Scarlett's suggestion there that

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Speaker 1: if somebody's broken the law, if they've done the wrong

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Speaker 1: thing in the city, and they are banned from being

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Speaker 1: able to go back into the city for a period

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Speaker 1: of time unless they're here for medical treatment or unless

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Speaker 1: they're I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Businesses have the right to ban people from their premises,

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Speaker 3: you know, like a licensed establishments do, and probably any

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Speaker 3: other business does for that matter. You know, if someone

607
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Speaker 3: causes you grief in your business, you have the right

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Speaker 3: to say you are not welcome in this business. I

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Speaker 3: guess the law So yeah, I actually don't have an

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Speaker 3: issue with what con say. How it's coorsd is another.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what I was thinking.

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Speaker 3: Where's the boundary?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess that opens up a whole conversation around

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Speaker 4: the legalities of that and the pinging on people's rights

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Speaker 4: to access goods and services and free movement.

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Speaker 1: I do just want to talk for a moment about,

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Speaker 1: you know, what's happened overnight with these videos that have

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Speaker 1: emerged as well from the twenty four to seven stores,

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Speaker 1: because we are going to talk to one of the

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Speaker 1: staff that was in one of those stores a little

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Speaker 1: bit later on the show. So essentially, for those who've

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Speaker 1: not seen the videos, what it shows essentially is a

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Speaker 1: group of young people, sort of four young people going

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Speaker 1: into the show, you know, jumping over the counter. There's

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Speaker 1: one guy working behind the counter, jumping over the counter,

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Speaker 1: throwing things.

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Speaker 2: He has a weapon as Yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know exactly what that weapon.

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Speaker 6: Is, I believe it throws it at the person and

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Speaker 6: you can see the person looking at his arm like

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Speaker 6: he has been nicked with something.

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Speaker 1: Yep, and then you know, running off with I don't

633
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Speaker 1: even know what.

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Speaker 6: And making an atrocious mess throughout the whole story.

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Speaker 1: But also it would be absolutely frightening, you know, like

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Speaker 1: it would be really quite terrifying, and it's not, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's not a one off. Last night, I'm told

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Speaker 1: that the Vintage sellers and that two of those twenty

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Speaker 1: four seven stores will targeted. You know, how can we

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Speaker 1: stop this.

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Speaker 6: Well, we need the government to stop talking about all

642
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Speaker 6: the things that they say that they are doing. I mean,

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Speaker 6: it's clearly not working. They keep discounting and dismissing every

644
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Speaker 6: other suggestion that is made. I mean, the two kilometer

645
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Speaker 6: rule is only one measure, but if it's implemented then

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Speaker 6: it's something. It sends a message to people that are

647
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Speaker 6: doing the wrong thing that they can't do the wrong thing.

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Speaker 6: They can't just come into town and go nuts and

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Speaker 6: hurt other people. And clearly, you know, even today the

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Speaker 6: Minister is for the Attorney General is just dismissing all

651
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Speaker 6: those ideas.

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Speaker 4: Let's just pull it back. You're talking about the two

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Speaker 4: kilometer rule. You yourself said it would just move the problem

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Speaker 4: on to another area. So that's quite rich for you

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Speaker 4: to actually say that your full well acknowledging that you're

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Speaker 4: moving the problem.

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Speaker 2: We need to protect our business, we need to protect.

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Speaker 4: Let's move on here and push it out. We need

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Speaker 4: to ors first for a change in a way. Victims

660
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Speaker 4: are front and center. All they never talk about is

661
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Speaker 4: the offendaking and policies. Look, any of this behavior that

662
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Speaker 4: we are seeing across the territory is absolutely disgusting and

663
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Speaker 4: we do work in that space of trying to overcome that.

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Speaker 4: That is the role of government to work with and

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Speaker 4: partner with federal governments, to work with local governments, to

666
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Speaker 4: work with the community, because one agency alone is not

667
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Speaker 4: going to be able to tackle this. We've got to

668
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Speaker 4: all come to get and do that work. Now there's

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Speaker 4: a whole range of initiatives that are being worked on,

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Speaker 4: that are being trialed, and then we do work with

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Speaker 4: the community. You'll see very recently an example of that

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Speaker 4: is the work that Minister Warden Territory Families, Housing and

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Speaker 4: Communities and police is done. Certainly in Alice Springs. I

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Speaker 4: mean there's a public Order Response unit that has been

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Speaker 4: established in Alice Springs. There's more coordination, there's more resourcing.

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Speaker 1: To having an impact. Is it making a difference.

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Speaker 4: That's very early days that has come into effect, but

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Speaker 4: from all accounts talking with Minister Warden and the team,

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Speaker 4: absolutely seeing positive results there.

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Speaker 1: Talking with the locals, like what about the constituents.

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Speaker 4: I'm from Alice Springs. It's my home and it will

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Speaker 4: always be my home. But you know, certainly as well,

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Speaker 4: having now a federal government that made a commitment in

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Speaker 4: the election around justice reinvestment and saying that Alice Springs

685
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Speaker 4: is a site for justice reinvestment will mean additional resources

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Speaker 4: and having the Commonwealth involved in working with us as

687
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Speaker 4: a community to trial things. I mean, look at I

688
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Speaker 4: just point and I'm very keen to go over and

689
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Speaker 4: have a look at Burke in New South Wales myself.

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Speaker 4: That's a place where justice reinvestment was trial and there

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Speaker 4: are very positive results there, not just in the anti

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Speaker 4: social behavior space, but in the levels of people completing

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Speaker 4: school and participation.

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Speaker 1: So is that more are they doing more sort of

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Speaker 1: stuff when it comes to youths or when it comes

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Speaker 1: to anti social behavior or a bit of both.

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Speaker 4: It's a bit of both. I mean, certainly when we

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Speaker 4: look at how we engage people. We're trialing in Alice

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Speaker 4: at the moment what's referred to as a Sunset school,

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Speaker 4: so it's running beyond the traditional hours of school, so

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Speaker 4: that when young people are out at night on the street,

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Speaker 4: people often say there's nowhere to take them. Well, having

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Speaker 4: a sunset school gives you an opportunity to have a

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Speaker 4: legitimate place to take someone and do those therapeutic measures

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Speaker 4: to address those behaviors.

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Speaker 1: I reckon all of that stuff is really important. There

707
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Speaker 1: is no doubt about that. There has to be that

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Speaker 1: intervention to try to, you know, to make some in

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Speaker 1: roads here. But there also has to be that intervention

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Speaker 1: right at the pointy end. That's right right now where

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Speaker 1: there needs to be, you know, there needs to be

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Speaker 1: some immediate action to try to stop what we are

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Speaker 1: seeing on the streets, because it's not good enough for

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Speaker 1: people to not be able to go to work and

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Speaker 1: feel safe having you know, a gang of young people,

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Speaker 1: you know coming into your shop and thinking what is

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Speaker 1: going to happen here?

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Speaker 6: That's right, and that's where it comes to. Put in

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Speaker 6: the victims first, I mean chance, he mentioned Minister Warden.

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Speaker 6: Last Parliament sitting, Minister Warden jumped up and got to

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Speaker 6: her feet and said that we cannot rob these us

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Speaker 6: of their future. And it was appalling because she didn't

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Speaker 6: think and say what about the people who are the

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Speaker 6: victims who are having their futures robbed? I mean that

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Speaker 6: young person working in that's our twenty four to seven shop.

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Speaker 6: He has had his future robbed. And all we are

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Speaker 6: focusing is on those youths and those people who continue

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Speaker 6: to break the law. We're not dealing with those people

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Speaker 6: and that is where.

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Speaker 4: I need to deal with it.

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Speaker 7: True.

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Speaker 4: That is simply not true. We are investing in those

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Speaker 4: support services and therapeutic interventions for the programs we are working. Absolutely,

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Speaker 4: we work with the victims to understand how we can

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Speaker 4: look at continuing to build on the services that we

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Speaker 4: provide and address those And let me be clear, the

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Speaker 4: CLP approach of jailing, well, jailing is failing right.

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Speaker 1: Well, look everything consequence.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't always have to be jailing consequence. Some kind

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Speaker 6: of consequence.

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Speaker 4: And consequences and people being held accountable for their actions

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Speaker 4: is absolutely an integral part.

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Speaker 2: So whyn't happen.

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Speaker 4: It's about people being involved in therapeutic interventions and measures

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Speaker 4: that So our.

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Speaker 2: Touch champ is no, you do not speak too.

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Speaker 1: We are going to have to head to a break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

749
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Speaker 1: You are listening to the week that was. Now there

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Speaker 1: has been quite a bit happening throughout the week as

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Speaker 1: we have been discussing. But one of the things that

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Speaker 1: has indeed happened is a bill to restore territory rights

753
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Speaker 1: has passed the House of Reps. It passed a bit

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Speaker 1: earlier in the week edging the Act and the Northern

755
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Speaker 1: Territory closer to being able to set our own laws

756
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Speaker 1: on voluntary assisted dying. So if passed in the Senate,

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Speaker 1: the bill will give us here in the Northern Territory

758
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Speaker 1: the right to vote on the issue. Will certainly our politicians,

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Speaker 1: all of whom you are to vote on the legislation. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well new legislation.

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Speaker 3: Yes. What Kevin Andrews low Life did, your friend in

762
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Speaker 3: lubber Ring, what he did all those years ago and

763
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Speaker 3: all his all his mates, was they inserted a clause

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Speaker 3: into the Self Government actually and into the Act Self

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Speaker 3: GOVERNORENTC that prohibited the Northern Territory from bringing in a

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Speaker 3: law even if it wanted to. So what people have

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Speaker 3: tried over the years, I think Bob Brown tried, I

768
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Speaker 3: think some other people tried and pasted, Sam Marhon tried,

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Speaker 3: and our Gosling's done. A private member's bill is to

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Speaker 3: remove that clare from those pieces of legislation, such that

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Speaker 3: if the Government of the day up here wishes to

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Speaker 3: bring in a bill, or someone wants to bring in

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Speaker 3: a private member's bill, because I think that might be

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Speaker 3: the way it goes again. But I'm sand to be corrected,

775
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Speaker 3: then we can do it. And it's always been about

776
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Speaker 3: fairness and equity, and we all know well, I'll remind

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Speaker 3: people who weren't around in that time Kevin Andrews was

778
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 3: a good religious boy, and all his religious mates, including

779
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 3: Tony Windsor and Warwick Peera and all those kind of

780
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 3: past politicians didn't give a ratsass about the Northern Territories

781
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 3: rights and amended our legislation supported by John Howard too

782
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Speaker 3: such that it prohibited us. First of all, it knocked

783
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Speaker 3: out Marshall parents writes the terminally ill and then inserted

784
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Speaker 3: that clause into it so we could never bring in

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Speaker 3: the bill. But now good on them, and good on

786
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Speaker 3: the people who've supported it, because I mean, I think

787
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 3: most of the states have now got.

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Speaker 1: Sil I think it's just us in the Act.

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Speaker 2: I still got to go set that.

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Speaker 1: But my understanding is that you know that that bill, well,

791
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Speaker 1: it's the first time that a private members bill has

792
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Speaker 1: passed the House of Reps in eleven years.

793
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Speaker 3: About accurate, and Luke Gosling and his team and the

794
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: Parliamentary Council down there for pulling a bill together. But

795
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Speaker 3: the issue or the question that will be once and

796
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 3: we're all hoping it will pass because we're about fairness

797
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 3: and equity or not about the actual euthanasia at this

798
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Speaker 3: point in time.

799
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Speaker 4: I think that's a really important thing to acknowledge that

800
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 4: two parts here. This is the primary part at the

801
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 4: moment with this particular bill, private members bill, is about

802
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 4: the need to progress the territories rights right.

803
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Speaker 6: This is I think we can all agree on that

804
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Speaker 6: absolutely support.

805
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Speaker 4: This is a restoring the ability for the territory's.

806
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 5: Rights and to make our own decisions. Katie.

807
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Speaker 3: If the current Labor government is not keen or doesn't

808
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 3: wish to bring in a bill for whatever reason, I'm

809
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 3: quite happy to bring in a private member's bill Northern

810
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 3: Territory Parliament to debate once again this important legislation thing

811
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Speaker 3: that Labor will do well.

812
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Speaker 4: I guess what we're saying at the moment is this

813
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 4: bill doesn't legislate euthanasia. What it does do is allow

814
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Speaker 4: the territory to make the decision if it were to legislate.

815
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Speaker 4: What we do see here as well is this is

816
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 4: not a new concept for the territory. We were the first.

817
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Speaker 4: We were the first Australian jurisdiction in the world.

818
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Speaker 3: I think there was some Scandinavian countries. I think, so

819
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 3: you're one of the first place jurisdiction dictions to ever

820
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Speaker 3: and a sub national jurisdiction to do it.

821
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Speaker 4: So I guess recognizing that we have unfortunately been in

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Speaker 4: a position where we had the legislation, we had it

823
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Speaker 4: in place, that was taken away from us, and then

824
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Speaker 4: over time we've watched every other jurisdiction in this country

825
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Speaker 4: legislate and start that process. What we've said is if

826
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Speaker 4: that bill does pass the Senate, then that will certainly

827
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Speaker 4: be a conversation we'll look at will know that the

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Speaker 4: legislation still sits on the statute books, but it needs

829
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Speaker 4: to be the practices have changed. Yeah, it needs to

830
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Speaker 4: be contemporized, it needs to be best practice standards. But

831
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Speaker 4: what we are fortunate enough to have is that each

832
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Speaker 4: state and territory have each other state has enacted legislation,

833
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 4: so we can look at that and then we can

834
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Speaker 4: then look best parts, bring that together, look at that

835
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Speaker 4: in legislation, and then that would go to Parliament and

836
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Speaker 4: that would be a conscience vote.

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Speaker 1: Well, and this is the thing, you know, it still

838
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Speaker 1: has to pass through even the Northern Territory Parliament, and

839
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Speaker 1: I know that it is a conscience vote and that

840
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Speaker 1: some people have very strong opinions in this space, which

841
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Speaker 1: I can understand complex issue, but also fundamentally, each and

842
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Speaker 1: every one of you are elected to represent your community,

843
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Speaker 1: so I would expect that it would be a discussion.

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Speaker 6: It's not about what we think, it's about what our

845
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Speaker 6: communities think.

846
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Speaker 3: We've had this discussion with many, many people in my

847
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 3: elected and the Rule area and everywhere for that matter,

848
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Speaker 3: and the vast majority of people say to me they

849
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Speaker 3: want the right to choose.

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Speaker 6: It needs to be a thorough process. So in a

851
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Speaker 6: really good community consultation. I mean we've seen Labour often

852
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 6: rammed down policy down people's throats. This is too important.

853
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 6: It needs it needs proper scrutiny, committees, It needs a

854
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Speaker 6: very very wide and deep public consultation because Katie, you

855
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 6: are right, it is quite varied in terms of people's

856
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 6: views on this, and everybody needs to understand exactly how

857
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Speaker 6: it works in practice and what they could and couldn't do.

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Speaker 3: The medical fraternity they clearly have to have a major

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Speaker 3: involvement because oh, no doubt about someone's life to live well.

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Speaker 1: And I think that anybody who sat in the hospice

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Speaker 1: Impallative care with a loved one, understands that this is

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Speaker 1: not a decision that's made lightly. It is a decision

863
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: that would be an incredibly difficult and an incredibly personal one,

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Speaker 1: but it is, you know, that person's final choice.

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Speaker 4: It's very considered. People are very passionate about it. I

866
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Speaker 4: think we often see people playing a bit of a

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Speaker 4: scare campaign. You don't just wake up one morning.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 4: This is about terminally ill people. This is about actually,

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Speaker 4: as Keysy said and Mary clap it's like, this is

871
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Speaker 4: something that needs to be well thought out, well considered,

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00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 4: well communicated. People need time to process it, and we

873
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 4: need to look at what that work looks like through

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Speaker 4: and anything like that moving forward. Would be a joint

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Speaker 4: position of Parliament absolutely to exercise that through committee hearings,

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Speaker 4: to make sure that people are involved because it is

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Speaker 4: extremely important.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 3: It was last time, yeah, I mean my mother was

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Speaker 3: in Parliament at that stage and she she's told me

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Speaker 3: often about the debate and it went way way into

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Speaker 3: the metals and the bill passed on a vote of

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Speaker 3: one man. Remember, yeah, was choosing to vote the other

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Speaker 3: way and then changed his mind. It was the late

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Speaker 3: Wes Lennapoi and voted to support the bill.

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Speaker 4: And it would also it's just takes into consideration where

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Speaker 4: in the territory it would be accessible. Given that the

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Speaker 4: territory we're so big, where it takes you need to

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Speaker 4: work were siderations, religious aspects, you know, these are all

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Speaker 4: really important things that need to be considered, but absolutely

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Speaker 4: priority one. Great to see that we are on a

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Speaker 4: journey of territory rights being restored and then the second

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Speaker 4: part is working through then once that passes, if it

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Speaker 4: does the road map to having that decision before the Parliament.

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Speaker 1: Well we've run out of time. What a surprise for

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Speaker 1: you mob. Lovely to have you all in the studio.

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Speaker 1: Murray Claire Boothby, thank you so much for your time today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Katie.

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Speaker 3: I just want to put a plug in the Humpy

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Speaker 3: Do Bowls Club every Friday night seven pm social bowls.

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Speaker 3: Everyone loves some good social bowls down at the Hump

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Speaker 3: to do as good fun you can. There's refreshments on

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Speaker 3: hand as well, and that's why I enjoyed that. And

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Speaker 3: of course you know the markets and there's horse events

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Speaker 3: on at Friends Past for those people that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: Chancey PI, thank you for your time this morning.

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Speaker 4: Well thanks Katie, and great to be chatting with everyone today.

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Speaker 4: I think just a few things before I finished. This

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Speaker 4: has been an amazing week in the art and creative space.

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Speaker 4: We've had the Darwin Aboriginal Art Awards, the Fashion Awards,

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Speaker 4: Darwin Festival kicked off last night. Tonight, we've got the Nattiers,

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Speaker 4: the National Aboriginal Trays, Ilder Art Award, tel Award and

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Speaker 4: of course Neimas on Saturday night, jam packed so much.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for everyone, I've already got tickets.

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Speaker 2: What are you going to say, Well, we're.

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Speaker 1: Gonna have to ramp up. She's gonna have to tell

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Speaker 1: you this Afe, She's going to have to tell you all.

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Speaker 1: Thank you all so much this morning. You have been

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Speaker 1: listening to the week that was right here on Mix

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Speaker 1: ONEOW for nine