WEBVTT - Is Biden about to step down?

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<v Speaker 1>Already, and this is the daily This is the daily

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<v Speaker 1>ohs oh, now it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning, and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 2>the second of July.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Zara, I'm Harry. Last week, millions of people in

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<v Speaker 1>the US and around the world tuned into the first

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<v Speaker 1>presidential debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 3>Now please welcome the forty sixth President of the United States,

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 1>Biden's performance unleashed a wave of panic among Democrats' strategists,

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<v Speaker 1>as senior officials and donors started calling for him to

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<v Speaker 1>step down ahead of the November election. In today's deep dive,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll look at the first debate and why there are

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<v Speaker 1>calls for Joe Biden to step aside. But for Sarah,

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<v Speaker 1>what's making headlines.

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<v Speaker 2>The federal government has appointed the first Illicit Tobacco and

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<v Speaker 2>e Cigarette Commissioner. Current Assistant Commissioner of the Austra Borderforce,

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<v Speaker 2>Aarin Dale, has been temporarily appointed until a formal appointment

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<v Speaker 2>is made. The commissioner will be focused on controlling the

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<v Speaker 2>importation and sale of illicit tobacco and e cigarettes. Health

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<v Speaker 2>Minister Mark Butler said that coordinated efforts are working to

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<v Speaker 2>control these products which are hooking Australians on nicotine.

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<v Speaker 1>Starting this month, the visa fee for international students coming

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<v Speaker 1>to Australia has more than doubled from seven hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>ten to one thousand, six hundred dollars. It's part of

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<v Speaker 1>the Federal government's migration strategy, which is targeting so called

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<v Speaker 1>visa hopping, which refers to overseas students and other temporary

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<v Speaker 1>visitors changing their visas to extend their stay in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Staff from Melbourne Airport have allegedly been involved in smuggling

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<v Speaker 2>illicit substances between Victoria and Tasmania. The Australian Border Force

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<v Speaker 2>worked with air Border Security at Melbourne International Airport in

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<v Speaker 2>a one year operation which was aimed at unc covering

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<v Speaker 2>criminal activity in the Victoria and Tasmania supply chain. An

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<v Speaker 2>investigation found a number of airline crew members were involved

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<v Speaker 2>in the domestic distribution of illicit substances.

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<v Speaker 1>And today's good news, Simone Biles has made it to

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<v Speaker 1>her third Olympics after flying through the US Olympic Gymnastics trials.

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<v Speaker 1>The gymnast holds seven Olympic medals from the twenty sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>Games in Rio di Genio and the twenty twenty Tokyo Games.

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<v Speaker 1>Biles scored one hundred and seventeen point two to two five,

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<v Speaker 1>earning her the top spot at the US Trials, followed

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<v Speaker 1>by Sunny Lee, who scored one hundred and eleven point

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<v Speaker 1>six seven five. The twenty seven year old athletes said quote,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we have a lot of weight on

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<v Speaker 1>our shoulders to go out there and prove that we're

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<v Speaker 1>better athletes. We're more mature, we're smarter, and we're more consistent.

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<v Speaker 1>The link will be in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so, Harry, the election in the US is very

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<v Speaker 2>much nearing and feels like it's all anyone is talking

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<v Speaker 2>about at the moment. I was on holidays and everywhere

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<v Speaker 2>I went, you absolutely cannot escape it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to tell my partner to turn down the

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<v Speaker 2>volume while he was listening to the debate, because there's

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<v Speaker 2>nothing that rips you out of your holiday mood more

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<v Speaker 2>than a presidential debate.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean, while every newsroom around the country and probably around

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<v Speaker 1>the world was turning at the blue heads were turned.

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<v Speaker 2>That there was so I want to talk about the debate,

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<v Speaker 2>but before we get there, can you just give us

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of a lay of the land. Where are

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<v Speaker 2>we up to in the presidential kind of nomination process,

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<v Speaker 2>because it is a process.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, So where are we at so far? So I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's important to say that we did see a

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<v Speaker 1>debate play out between Trump and Biden. But it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to note that neither of them have been selected

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<v Speaker 1>formally by their parties just yet, so they need to

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<v Speaker 1>go through what's called a Democratic or Republican convention, so

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<v Speaker 1>that's host by their parties, where they are officially confirmed

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<v Speaker 1>as the party's nominee. The Democrats will be hosting theirs

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<v Speaker 1>in August, the Republicans in July. Before that happens, they

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<v Speaker 1>are what's called the presumptive nominees because they've already won

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<v Speaker 1>all the primary races that they need to and so it's,

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<v Speaker 1>as the title suggests, presumed that they will be running

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<v Speaker 1>for their parties come the November election. So we know

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<v Speaker 1>that Joe Biden will be running for the Democrats as

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<v Speaker 1>things stand, as with Donald Trump will be running for

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<v Speaker 1>the Republican Party, and he's trying to get back into

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<v Speaker 1>the White House. And so the campaign's heating up. Both

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<v Speaker 1>candidates are speaking at more and more rallies, and there

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<v Speaker 1>are many blue and red posters around the US, and

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<v Speaker 1>the mood was really building, especially in the media when

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<v Speaker 1>it came to this first presidential debate that we saw

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<v Speaker 1>late last week.

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<v Speaker 2>Talking about the debate, much has been said about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to just get in to quickly the particularities

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<v Speaker 2>of the debate itself, because it was quite unique, wasn't it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was really unusual for a couple of reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>So first of all, there was no audience. It was

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<v Speaker 1>just the two CNN moderators and Trump and Biden. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the only people we heard from. And so there was

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<v Speaker 1>no doing, There was no hissing, there was no clapping

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<v Speaker 1>or applause. So you know, when either candidate went to

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<v Speaker 1>make their maybe mic drop moment, it was kind of unusual, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because we know couldn't really gauge reaction. The second thing

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<v Speaker 1>that made it a little bit unique was the sense

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<v Speaker 1>that this was deja vu for so many people. We

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<v Speaker 1>have seen Trump and Biden debate before, so this was

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<v Speaker 1>the first time that a former president and a sitting

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<v Speaker 1>president went head to head in a presidential debate.

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<v Speaker 4>How interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so what exactly did they talk about? Because I

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<v Speaker 2>think a lot of the kind of post mortem has

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<v Speaker 2>been about performance, not necessarily about policy. So what specifically

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<v Speaker 2>were the two presumptive nominees talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there were four main areas of policy that

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<v Speaker 1>were debated. So the first was on immigration, so both

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<v Speaker 1>men talked about the need to be tough on borders,

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<v Speaker 1>to crack down on what they say is illegal migrants

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<v Speaker 1>arriving in the United States. The second thing was the economy.

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<v Speaker 1>Those were the opening questions about high inflation, about cost

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<v Speaker 1>of living, about how much families are struggling right now.

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<v Speaker 4>So a familiar topic for our Australian listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>Very much so. And both Trump and Biden were keen

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<v Speaker 1>to point at each other's records and say that they

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<v Speaker 1>were respectively responsible for high inflation and high cost of

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<v Speaker 1>living for families.

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<v Speaker 2>And well, that's the really unique thing, right because normally

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<v Speaker 2>the incumbent has to defend their record, but here both

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<v Speaker 2>have been in power at different times and can both

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<v Speaker 2>be held responsible, you know, for the bad things and

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<v Speaker 2>for the good things.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a strange environment exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So Biden was able to say, you left the economy

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<v Speaker 1>in a mess, and Trump was out saying the economy

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<v Speaker 1>is currently a mess. So they were both at pains

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<v Speaker 1>to emphasize each other's records respectively. The third thing that

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<v Speaker 1>I think was quite poignant in the debate was the

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<v Speaker 1>discussion around abortion. And as we know, when abortion gets raised,

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<v Speaker 1>it can get quite heated quite quickly. It's a very

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<v Speaker 1>sensitive issue for many people. But Trump in the debate

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<v Speaker 1>claimed that everyone wanted the states to control their own

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<v Speaker 1>abortion laws, and by that he's referring to the Supreme

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<v Speaker 1>Court's decision to overturn Roe v. Wade. So those are

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<v Speaker 1>the national protections for abortion access across all of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States that had been in place since nineteen seventy three.

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<v Speaker 1>He also said Biden wanted to legalize late term abortions,

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<v Speaker 1>which Biden denied straight away and instead said that when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to this medical procedure, that should be between

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<v Speaker 1>a doctor and a woman and not politicians. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think the final policy area that was discussed a lot

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<v Speaker 1>during this debate was democracy more generally, but in particular.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump was asked whether he would accept the outcome of

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty twenty four election. Will you accept the results

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<v Speaker 1>of the election, regardless of who wins, yes or no.

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<v Speaker 4>Please if it's a fair and legal and good election.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>At one point, Biden said Trump had quote no sense

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<v Speaker 1>of American democracy.

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<v Speaker 2>So obviously very big issues there, abortion, democracy, the economy,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of very meaty policy. And yet, as I said,

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<v Speaker 2>what's being spoken about now isn't actually any of that policy.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen barely, if any kind of commentary around the

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<v Speaker 2>actual substance of the policy. Everything since has been about

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Biden's performance.

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<v Speaker 4>Talk me through it. Why is that the case?

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<v Speaker 1>The conversation turned really quickly into to Joe Biden's performance,

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<v Speaker 1>and that became the headline. So his voice was noticeably

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<v Speaker 1>quite hoarse. A campaign source later confirmed that he had

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<v Speaker 1>a cold. He also stumbled quite a few times. On

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<v Speaker 1>multiple occasions. He seemed to get lost in what he

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<v Speaker 1>was saying, sort of go a bit off track, and

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<v Speaker 1>there was one moment that was picked up and went

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<v Speaker 1>viral pretty much straight away.

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<v Speaker 3>Making sure that we're able to make every single solitary

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<v Speaker 3>person eligible for what I've been able to do with

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<v Speaker 3>the with the COVID I scud me with dealing with

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<v Speaker 3>everything we have to do with what if we finally

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<v Speaker 3>beat Medicare.

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<v Speaker 1>And after one of Biden's answers, Trump said this, I

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<v Speaker 1>really don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>What he said at the end of this.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think he knows what he said either.

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<v Speaker 1>It's worth remembering Joe Biden is the oldest president in history.

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<v Speaker 1>He is eighty one years old, and if he carries

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<v Speaker 1>through for a full second term as president, he will

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<v Speaker 1>be eighty six once he's completed that term. So there

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<v Speaker 1>have been concerns about Joe Biden's age up until the debate.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to say that hasn't necessarily been a new

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<v Speaker 2>trope that's emerged, but it's certainly been amplified post debate.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that this was the moment that a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people said, he is eighty one years old, and

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<v Speaker 1>it shows I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think it must be said just before we go on.

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump is seventy eight years old at the moment,

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<v Speaker 2>a young man, not considerably younger, but certainly the difference

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<v Speaker 2>in age appeared to be quite prominent during that debate.

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<v Speaker 4>Talk me through the reaction. You said, it was immediate.

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<v Speaker 1>What were people saying so straight away? CNN, which hosted

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<v Speaker 1>the debate, had a panel of experts and strategists to

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<v Speaker 1>dig into some of the issues, but as I mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation was all about Biden's age. A former Democrat

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<v Speaker 1>staffer and CNN journalist Van Jones summed up them among

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<v Speaker 1>some of the Democrats and their supporters.

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<v Speaker 3>That was painful. I love Joe Biden. I worked for

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't do well at all. So senior Democrats were

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<v Speaker 1>going out to defend Joe Biden to say that he

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<v Speaker 1>had been stronger on policy than Donald Trump. But even

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<v Speaker 1>his Vice president Kamala Harris, had to admit that Biden

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<v Speaker 1>had had a quote slow start to the debate, and

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<v Speaker 1>it quickly emerged that there was some serious panic going

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<v Speaker 1>on among the Democrats. Some donors to the parties suggested

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<v Speaker 1>there was an urgent need for Biden to step aside.

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<v Speaker 1>The New York Times editorial board also published an opinion

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<v Speaker 1>piece calling on the president to make way for another candidate, saying, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden was not the man he was four years

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<v Speaker 1>ago when he beat Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that the power of a New York

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<v Speaker 2>Times editorial can be underestimated like that. He is so

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<v Speaker 2>key in so many states to you know, the perception

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<v Speaker 2>of how the Democrats positioned and how they're thought about.

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<v Speaker 2>For The New York Times to come out with that

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<v Speaker 2>was fairly strong.

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<v Speaker 1>There would have been a lot of thought going into

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<v Speaker 1>that article before it was published. It definitely wasn't an

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<v Speaker 1>off the cuff piece of commentary. It's an entire editorial

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<v Speaker 1>board at one of the most respected newspapers in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then when straight after the debate, when you

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<v Speaker 2>refreshed the New York Times website, it was just like

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<v Speaker 2>op ed after op ed after op ed, and they

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<v Speaker 2>were all saying the same thing.

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<v Speaker 4>It's quite remarkable.

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<v Speaker 2>But even if they were saying the same thing, even

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<v Speaker 2>if there were some donors and some fellow Democrats who

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<v Speaker 2>were worried, like does that mean anything? Are we expecting

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Biden to actually heed those calls and to step aside.

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<v Speaker 1>So, just going back to a point that I made

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit earlier, Donald Trump and Joe Biden have

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<v Speaker 1>both not yet been confirmed as the candidate's fisher party,

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<v Speaker 1>not officially, not quite yet. So there are two scenarios

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<v Speaker 1>that could potentially play out between now and the Democratic Convention,

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<v Speaker 1>which is between the nineteenth and the twenty second of August,

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<v Speaker 1>so in about six weeks time. The first one is

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<v Speaker 1>that Joe Biden could voluntarily step down as the Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>chosen candidate and give way for someone else. Now who

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<v Speaker 1>that someone would be is another matter altogether. It's possible

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<v Speaker 1>it could be Kamala Harris, but her pole ratings have

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<v Speaker 1>been quite consistently low. But some other names that have

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<v Speaker 1>been floated around, the California governor Gavin Newsom or the

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<v Speaker 1>Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer. But there's a whole pool of

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<v Speaker 1>people that they could choose from these high level senior

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats that could come forward at that point. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>really not too clear yet.

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<v Speaker 2>But for that to happen, the key thing that needs

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<v Speaker 2>to happen is that Joe Biden needs to step.

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<v Speaker 1>Aside, needs to choose to do it of his own accord.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, what's the second scenario?

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<v Speaker 1>So the second one's a little bit more difficult. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>high level Democrats would have to change the rules about

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<v Speaker 1>how they choose their candidate in time for the convention

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<v Speaker 1>and then put someone else forward.

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<v Speaker 4>Sounds complicated.

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<v Speaker 1>It could take me in entire episode Sarah to explain.

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<v Speaker 1>But for the sake of time. I think it's just

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<v Speaker 1>worth noting that most experts are in agreement that that

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<v Speaker 1>is very unlikely to happen. That the more probable scenario

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<v Speaker 1>of the two would be that Joe Biden would step

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<v Speaker 1>down of his own accord, that he would make way

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<v Speaker 1>for someone else.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so a couple of scenarios, one of them being

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<v Speaker 2>that Joe Biden voluntarily steps down.

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<v Speaker 4>Is he going to? What does your crystal ball tell you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to say confidently no, Yeah, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden will step down. He has been pretty clear

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<v Speaker 1>that he isn't going to at this stage. He spoke

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<v Speaker 1>at a campaign rally in North Carolina a few hours

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<v Speaker 1>after the debate where he really dug his heels in

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<v Speaker 1>and he was going to keep going.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't walk as easy as I used to, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't speak as smoothly as I used to. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>debate as well as I used to. Well, I know

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<v Speaker 3>what I do know, I know how to tell the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a lot more energy during this rally.

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<v Speaker 4>It was quite remarkable.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was quite a shift. I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people did notice that that this was a Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Biden that had some zeal And some energy to just

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<v Speaker 1>really keep going, and he looked like he was definitely

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to take on Trump and that he believed that

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<v Speaker 1>he could as well. So The New York Times is

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<v Speaker 1>also reporting that Biden is currently at Camp David, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the president's country retreat, where he's surrounded by his

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<v Speaker 1>family and they're trying to figure out how they can

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<v Speaker 1>manage the anxieties of the Democrats and what the next

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<v Speaker 1>steps will be in their campaign. And I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>also just one thing that's really important to note. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we can get carried away talking about the debate

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<v Speaker 1>and analyzing the debate and Biden's performance or Trump's performance

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<v Speaker 1>for that matter, and I think it's important to just

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<v Speaker 1>remember that debates don't necessarily win or lose elections. So

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<v Speaker 1>if we cast our minds back to twenty sixteen when

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<v Speaker 1>Hillary Clinton was running against Donald Trump, Clinton won pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much every debate between the two of them, and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the polls also pointed to her winning on

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<v Speaker 1>the day, as we know, she wants to be right, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she lost in twenty sixteen. It was a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a shock for most people, but it just goes

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<v Speaker 1>to show that You really just don't know what's going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen until people are filling out the ballots on

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<v Speaker 1>the day and that they go in there with their

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<v Speaker 1>little pencils and they choose who they actually want to

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<v Speaker 1>be their president exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for that explanation, Harry, and thanks

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