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Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was, and in

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Speaker 1: the studio with us this morning, We've got Matt Cunningham,

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Speaker 1: Sky News Bureau Chief. Good morning to you, Matte morning,

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Speaker 1: will be great to have you in the studio. We

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Speaker 1: have got the Independent member for good O Kezier Puric,

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Keezier.

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Speaker 2: Morning, Katie, Morning, Bush people.

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Speaker 1: And we have got Labors member for Fanny Bay, Brent Potter,

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Bret listeners.

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Speaker 2: And in a world first for.

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Speaker 1: The week that was this morning, we've actually got Bill

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Speaker 1: Yan joining us from Alice Springs down the phone line.

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Speaker 2: So Bill, are you there? Can you hear us at

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Speaker 2: the moment? No, So bear with me one moment. Bill.

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Speaker 2: Is it cold in Alice this morning?

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Speaker 3: Pill, Well, let's just say I'm going to jump on

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Speaker 3: this morning. I'm down to visit and enjoy the cooler weather.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what, there's a lot to cover

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Speaker 2: off on.

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Speaker 1: This morning, and we will get to Alice Springs and

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Speaker 1: talk about what's going on there in just a little while.

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Speaker 1: But I do want to actually start off with the terrible,

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Speaker 1: terrible situation that we found ourselves in over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Will last Friday evening, In fact, a woman was killed

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Speaker 1: after allegedly being fatally stabbed by her partner outside a

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Speaker 1: Fifty six year old man's being charged with murder with

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Speaker 1: the murder of his fifty one year old partner and

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Speaker 1: appeared in court earlier this week. We also know about

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Speaker 1: thirteen kilometers away there was an aggravated assault at Casarina

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Speaker 1: shopping Center around about the same time or not too

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Speaker 1: long after, which saw two people stab following an argument

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Speaker 1: in the underground car park area.

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Speaker 2: A twenty two year old woman was.

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Speaker 1: Charged with reckless endanger life, aggravated assault, armed with an

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Speaker 1: offensive weapon, and breach of bail. Now, obviously we can't

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Speaker 1: go into the specifics of those cases they are now

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Speaker 1: before the courts.

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Speaker 4: Sure as hell can comment on them.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's right, and they are further examples of the

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Speaker 1: terrible issues that we're grappling with across the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: right now. I mean, we talk about knife crime, we

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Speaker 1: talk about weapons, we talk about alcohol, we talk about

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Speaker 1: domestic violence, and it has all become very very heavy,

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Speaker 1: very very sad, and really quite difficult I think for

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Speaker 5: Well, yes, no territory, no place, no juistiction should have

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Speaker 5: to deal with what we're dealing with an experienced list,

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Speaker 4: People who were killed.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm sure they didn't plan on waking up

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Speaker 5: it goes to show that these knives and these edged

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Speaker 5: weapons called them what you want, are still prevalent in

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Speaker 5: our society. And they still comment, you know, like who

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Speaker 5: carries a knife around with them?

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Speaker 4: You know, like I get it.

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Speaker 5: A lot of bush people, we have pocket knives in

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Speaker 5: pouches on your belts and all that sort of thing.

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Speaker 5: But these aren't pocket knives. These are knives out of

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Speaker 5: the kitchen drawer or whatever, you know. So they're carrying

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Speaker 5: this around. This is not the first time a person

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Speaker 5: man or woman has been killed in our CBD by

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Speaker 5: a knife attack by a partner. Yeah, and the fact

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Speaker 5: that it is a knife or was a knife, I

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Speaker 5: don't think it's covered under the new bar law changes

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Speaker 5: because it's not a prohibitive weapon and it's not a

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Speaker 2: So so you don't reckon that. No, I skinner, it.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely does well underwatch cattery. It's not controlled, it's not

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Speaker 5: it's not prohibitive. And you didn't include offensive weapons in

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Speaker 6: Corek, we didn't include defensive weapons. But what's important to

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Speaker 4: Listeners, she was on bail.

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Speaker 2: At the incident.

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Speaker 6: In let me answer the question you had there. The

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Speaker 6: reason we haven't included defensive weapons. Give you an example,

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Speaker 6: to us, and we're also engaging with the police. And

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Speaker 6: if you were carrying a pair of scis nailsis as

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Speaker 6: or as a weapon. Everyone carrying nail scissors is then

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Speaker 6: carrying a weapon in public. Now, then you've got to

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Speaker 6: ask us, well, how do you you want us to

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Speaker 6: think what we've got right is immediate response to what

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Speaker 6: When we get the bar reform review comeback, if there's

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Speaker 6: more that we have to do, we'll absolutely do it.

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Speaker 6: That's the commitment we've made. We'll do more of this.

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Speaker 7: That's why it's a presumption right though, because the judge

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Speaker 7: can still make the decision. So the judge could still

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Speaker 7: say you've got, you've got. You were just carrying nail sisms.

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Speaker 7: So in this case, I'm.

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Speaker 8: Going to give you bail.

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Speaker 7: You were carrying around a ten times kitchen knife.

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Speaker 8: Sorry mate, you're not getting bad.

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Speaker 6: But the alternative that was provided by the CLP was

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Speaker 6: no bail. Like nowhere else in Australia does that happen.

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Speaker 6: You can't deny anyone the ability to have their case

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Speaker 8: A bail application.

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Speaker 6: That doesn't happen anywhere. Law reform society.

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Speaker 3: We bought our first change and then we bought an amendment.

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Speaker 3: You guys, far to that amendment, Dan, This comes down

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Speaker 3: to the very point in fact about protecting territory. And

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Speaker 3: you've only got to look at what happened in darw

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Speaker 3: on the weekend and what's been happening here in our

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Speaker 6: If those other we're included in that Act, the offensive

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Speaker 1: That just go back to though, are we in a

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Speaker 6: Knife is covered.

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Speaker 5: No, it's not covered by these changes because the changes

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Speaker 5: presumption of bail went against the person if it was

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Speaker 5: a prohibited or a control weapon.

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Speaker 6: Had on. You've just gone from knife to not included

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Speaker 6: but in an offensive weapon that the police can determine

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Speaker 6: and add that to the to the offense. Now, what

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Speaker 6: I want, not presumption, I would say to Bill quickly,

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Speaker 6: is that everyone has the right to innocence until proven

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Speaker 6: guilty before the court. Now, in terms of bail, the

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Speaker 2: Now let me.

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Speaker 1: Put this really bluntly then, So if we've got a

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Speaker 6: So I just last year that started at the end

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Speaker 6: be a presumption against bail. That's that's the changes we

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Speaker 7: That your well, that's my understanding, and the specific wording

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Speaker 7: presume that the presumption of bail is against blade absolutely.

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Speaker 1: It's still presumption no matter how you look at it. Though,

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Speaker 1: I guess a lot of people are going to be going,

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Speaker 2: Issue is well, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: So people feel as though there is no punishment if

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Speaker 1: seen it, you know, with vehicles and with various other

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Speaker 4: I guess Katie that.

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Speaker 5: In my view, in the assumption, I should say that

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Speaker 5: a very serious argument. So we've got to go to

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Speaker 4: But there's more restrictions being placed on our springs.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, and I'm not going to be the

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Speaker 1: Well, look and we might's watch a bit more about

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Speaker 1: that discussion about the quarantining of income payments. But just

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Speaker 2: For young deck Lan Lavity here in Darwin.

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Speaker 1: You know, an incredibly difficult time for his family, an

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Speaker 2: Depressing an exhaust technic for people.

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Speaker 7: I think it's worth remembering too, Will Fee that sadly,

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Speaker 7: And you know, there's an Aboriginal woman who's been killed,

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Speaker 7: not sure about Cajorina, but I think thee there were

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Speaker 7: And the domestic violence in particular is just it's just horrendous,

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Speaker 7: you know, the domestic violence that we've seen a woman

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Speaker 5: And last year or the year before, Bill correct me

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Speaker 5: when the lady, the woman in Alice Springs abriage lady

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Speaker 3: The next was killed by a partner with a car.

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Speaker 7: And another one in Alice Springs, another one in Alice

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Speaker 6: I went to before that you can have all these

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Speaker 6: sensing that the real work is done at the front end,

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Speaker 3: And I think that that's the same things having because

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Speaker 5: You're right, Bill, I mean I think we've got and

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Speaker 4: On the beat.

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Speaker 5: So then the question has to be why is such

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Speaker 5: work because of genuine sick like COVID. That's fair enough,

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Speaker 2: Cultural topic, cultural workings.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I have just got a message from Alex

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Speaker 5: Spruce Spruce which one Matthew, I always get annoyed. Yes,

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Speaker 5: It's always the businesses. You should think about giving up

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Speaker 6: We've not said we do that.

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Speaker 6: Why people know we're not going down that.

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Speaker 5: Problem scarluts like that is not going to solve the problem.

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Speaker 5: That will just drive it underground. If you say who

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Speaker 6: Needs to alcohol in the social clubs in the communities

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Speaker 6: Coming into town to access alcohol isn't fixing the problem.

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Speaker 6: And this is you know where we're going with the

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Speaker 2: Look, we are going to take a very short break.

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Speaker 1: So alcohol related emergency department presentations at Alice Springs Hospital

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Speaker 2: And on the BBS.

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Speaker 6: So I could probably answer that Katie, like, let's bill

441
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Speaker 6: come on. You knew we were doing a Liquor Act

442
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Speaker 6: review this year in which we would look at the BDR,

443
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Speaker 6: so you know, to say that you've been asking for

444
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Speaker 6: BDR claims, well, that's already going to happen. Liquor I

445
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Speaker 6: let you speak, you're on the phone. It's the best

446
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Speaker 6: bit about not being in person. And then they had

447
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Speaker 6: to do that once. And I mean Katie, the chiefs.

448
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Speaker 6: You know, I said this on your show probably three

449
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Speaker 6: a month ago. I said, everything is on the table

450
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Speaker 6: in Alice Springs and we'll do whatever we can to

451
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Speaker 6: protect her. A Tooris down there now, I think Alex

452
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Speaker 6: Bruce is partially on the money there. We needed to

453
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Speaker 6: do a review and understand that the bigger and wider

454
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Speaker 6: problem there. I think the Liquor Act review will give

455
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Speaker 6: us that opportunity. The BDR absolutely needs some reforms, you know,

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Speaker 6: the people that can refer to it, just because what

457
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Speaker 6: I would say is the operator, the way that's currently

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Speaker 6: operated needs reforms, and you have to restrict some people's

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Speaker 6: access to it, but you have to you can't throw

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Speaker 6: the BDR.

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Speaker 1: Saying that, Okay, well, where you know alcohol related Emergency

462
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Speaker 1: Department presentations in Alice Springs of almost had domestic violence

463
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Speaker 1: has dropped by a third. Things like that, why don't

464
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Speaker 1: we use stats to see whether the bdr's working or not?

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Speaker 5: Maywell, and it's good and I put a comment I

466
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Speaker 5: think money on the chiefs Facebook page. It's good that

467
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Speaker 5: the data shows that there's a reduction ear of harm,

468
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Speaker 5: but it's come from an alarming high level. So it

469
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Speaker 5: was five hundred people being beaten up, now it's only

470
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Speaker 5: two hundred.

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Speaker 4: And fifty people being beaten up. Aren't we doing a

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Speaker 4: good job? You're not doing a good job.

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Speaker 8: Tell you what.

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Speaker 7: It also shows, and it shows that when stronger futures

475
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Speaker 7: ended and the alcohol was allowed back into the town camps,

476
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Speaker 7: there was an immediate Like you look at it, there's

477
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Speaker 7: week by week in that data. The week after it

478
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Speaker 7: immediately spikes significantly and it stays at elevated rates for

479
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Speaker 7: six months. So my concern is, remember that you had

480
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Speaker 7: Congress and others warning the government about this. Well, for future,

481
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Speaker 7: you had just Enterprise and Marian scrimshre In the maiden

482
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Speaker 7: speeches in the Federal Parliament saying this is a disaster,

483
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Speaker 7: an absolute disaster that is happening right now. And I

484
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Speaker 7: remember I spoke to Linda Bernie at the Garma Festival

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Speaker 7: a week after Marian and just sint He had made

486
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Speaker 7: their speeches in Parliament. She said, oh, we're monitoring the

487
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Speaker 7: situation with the Northern Territory government. Now, if the Minister

488
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Speaker 7: for Indigenous Australians and the Northern Territory Government were monitoring

489
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Speaker 7: this situation, they would have seen that data, they would

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Speaker 7: have had access to that data for that entire six months,

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Speaker 7: they would have seen the elevated levels. And yet they

492
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Speaker 7: did nothing. They didn't do anything until continue, until Bible started,

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Speaker 7: GB Radio and Sippy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which you think to yourself, like, how long have

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Speaker 1: we been talking about these concerns in the Northern.

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Speaker 5: Territory, Katie that when the sunset clause came in for

497
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Speaker 5: that piece of legislation and people could access alcohol again. Yes,

498
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Speaker 5: there was that component Linda Bernie saying she was monitoring whatever.

499
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Speaker 5: But there was a report done by Prime Minister and

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Speaker 5: Cabinet into this very topic. And I've got a copy

501
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Speaker 5: back in my office and it said, then Anti government,

502
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Speaker 5: you need to do something because when this sunset clause

503
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Speaker 5: comes in, you're going to have these X Y Z issues. Now,

504
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Speaker 5: the Anti government had that report. If I've got a copy,

505
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Speaker 5: everyone's got a copy. And again they did nothing. And

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Speaker 5: then Chancey Paike, the Attorney General comes out and says, oh,

507
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Speaker 5: prior in parliament around that time, oh, that's.

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Speaker 4: A racist policy. We're not going to do it.

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Speaker 5: And then of course he and the chief menus just

510
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Speaker 5: to have to backflip and bring them in. So I

511
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Speaker 5: badly managed it from the word.

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Speaker 6: Going for it. And so you go to remember and listen,

513
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Speaker 6: I'll wear what we need to wear on this right like,

514
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Speaker 6: there is no doubt the data in the town camps

515
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Speaker 6: spiked and there was an increasing drinking. Then we've seen

516
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Speaker 6: all the DV and the assaults come from that. We

517
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Speaker 6: tried to engage the Komonwealth government and it doesn't matter

518
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Speaker 6: which side of government was. We had an election. So

519
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Speaker 6: both federal governments on this are saying we need funding

520
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Speaker 6: if you want to continue this. We wrote to them

521
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Speaker 6: on this. It's very clear they would not provide funding.

522
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Speaker 6: They would not extend strongest futures that puts us in

523
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Speaker 6: a position and we went down the path that we

524
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Speaker 6: did and allowed alcohol. Backing, Let's be very clear, Katie,

525
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Speaker 6: alcohol has been in communities even during the stronger futures.

526
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Speaker 6: It was just black market alcohol and it still happens.

527
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Speaker 6: What we need to do is work with communities to

528
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Speaker 6: manage alcohol because we can't continue this going forward.

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Speaker 7: Also, I think it's worth pointing Toad, yeah, right, But

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Speaker 7: I think it is worth pointing out as well that

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Speaker 7: there is a letter from the former Minister of Indigenous

532
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Speaker 7: Australias Ken White, sent to the Northern Territory government in

533
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Speaker 7: about March of last year for the seventh and he's

534
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Speaker 7: basically endorsing their approach.

535
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Speaker 8: He's not saying don't do this.

536
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Speaker 7: So I think that the former federal government does deserve

537
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Speaker 7: some of the whack when it comes to what happened here.

538
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Speaker 8: But that's not not to where we have to wear.

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Speaker 6: I think everyone has a Partmase.

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Speaker 1: But look, I think the point that's really worth making

541
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Speaker 1: as well is that we hear so often from the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory government. I know that even when I spoke

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Speaker 1: to the Chief Minister last Wednesday about some other issues,

544
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Speaker 1: you know, we very often speak about funding and very

545
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Speaker 1: often speak about needs based funding and all that kind

546
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Speaker 1: of stuff, and I get that, but we're also in

547
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Speaker 1: a situation right now. We're two hundred and fifty million

548
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Speaker 1: dollars has been earmarked for our Springs. Yet when I

549
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Speaker 1: spoke to the principal of the Yipper and Your Primary

550
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Speaker 1: school last Friday, Gavin Morris, he had said to me

551
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Speaker 1: on the show, Katie, since the last time we spoke,

552
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Speaker 1: which was earlier this year, there have been students at

553
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Speaker 1: the school that have been assaulted, There have been staff

554
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Speaker 1: members from the school that have been involved in domestic violence.

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Speaker 1: There has been dangerous situations that people from the school

556
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Speaker 1: have been in and that you know that time is

557
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Speaker 1: of the essence and this is I think what the community,

558
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Speaker 1: whether it's Alice Springs, whether it's Darwin, no matter where

559
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Speaker 1: it is right now that we're all screaming out for.

560
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Speaker 1: We understand that the federal government does need to assist

561
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Speaker 1: with that needs based funding right across the board, whether

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Speaker 1: you're talking about domestic violence, whether you're talking about the

563
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Speaker 1: issues that we've got with you know, with our youths

564
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Speaker 1: doing the wrong thing. But we also need to actually

565
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Speaker 1: push the politics aside for five minutes and sort this

566
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Speaker 1: business out because what's going on is not good enough.

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Speaker 1: We're losing good people because it just continues.

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Speaker 3: On Themester came here where all the stuff that was

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Speaker 3: happening back in January, and it was a critical issue,

570
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Speaker 3: and I made that announcewer of that two hundred and

571
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Speaker 3: fifty million dollars to immediately address some of the issues

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Speaker 3: here in Alice. We're three or four months on. We

573
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Speaker 3: haven't seen a brass razoo yet and we're waiting for

574
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Speaker 3: a federal budget and then the money is going to

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Speaker 3: be given to the territory government to allocate. So how

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Speaker 3: long is it going to take that money to actually

577
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Speaker 3: get the ground. But what's I think the more interesting

578
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Speaker 3: thing is where is that money going to go. We've

579
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Speaker 3: been asking the Prime Minister and the Prime Minister's office

580
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Speaker 3: where that money is going to go. We've asked for

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Speaker 3: an order of how the funding is going to be used.

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Speaker 3: We've got crickets on that we've not heard anything back,

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Speaker 3: and the people, particularly of Alice Springs. I don't know

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Speaker 3: where that money is going to go and what's going

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Speaker 3: to be used for.

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Speaker 6: I mean, listen, I don't know. I'll answer what I

587
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Speaker 6: can build, but I mean, at the end of the day,

588
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Speaker 6: if you're re implementing the equivalent of stronger futures, that

589
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Speaker 6: some of that funding will go back to funding those

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Speaker 6: resources that implement and reintroduce that. But I'm happy to

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Speaker 6: take that on notice again.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to the discussion that we

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Speaker 1: had with Marian Scrimjaw earlier in the week, so Lingyrimp.

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Speaker 1: Marian Scrimjaw's called on the Northern Territory government to establish

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Speaker 1: a Queensland style Family Responsibilities Commission with the power to

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Speaker 1: enforce compulsory income management where children are being neglected. Now.

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Speaker 1: The comments come in response to what she called irresponsible

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Speaker 1: publicity seeking claims of rampant child sexual abuse in Alice Springs,

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Speaker 1: but also you know the issues that they've got in

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Speaker 1: Alice Springs. She said there's a whole generation of young

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Speaker 1: people out there who've grown up with that shadow over

602
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Speaker 1: their innocent fathers and uncles and grandfather's heads that is

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Speaker 1: following on from the intervention and said that the resulting

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Speaker 1: social unraveling contributes to the crime that we're seeing in

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Speaker 1: Alice Springs today. She reckons it's now time for an

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Speaker 1: initiative similar to the Family Responsibility Commission that we have

607
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Speaker 1: got in Queensland, and that families where children who aren't

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Speaker 1: being properly protected or cared for can be income managed

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Speaker 1: and made subject to coor intervention by relevant agency.

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Speaker 6: Just before everyone jumps in in the twenty twenty one

611
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Speaker 6: Youth Justice Amendment Bill, changes that we made reintroduce family

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Speaker 6: responsibility agreements at the court level. Now I don't have

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Speaker 6: the data on how many of those have been issued.

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Speaker 6: I'm happy to take that on notice and get it

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Speaker 6: to you, Katie, but we've absolutely put the policy framework

616
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Speaker 6: in place to do it. This comes down. Hey on

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Speaker 6: you're on the phone.

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Speaker 8: You said one.

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Speaker 6: I'm happy to come back to you with the details,

620
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Speaker 6: like the numbers on it, Katie. But what I would

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Speaker 6: say is that this comes back to the interpretation piece.

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Speaker 6: The agencies and those need to use the legislation policy

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Speaker 6: framework these there to enact that change.

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Speaker 1: Keep hearing though, is that you guys keep going, oh,

625
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Speaker 1: we're doing this, We've done this, we've done that.

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Speaker 2: So you're not accepting that things have turned to shit.

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Speaker 6: I just agree before it's not where we would.

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Speaker 2: Like it to be working.

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Speaker 1: So you might have those things in place, but it's

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Speaker 1: not working.

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Speaker 5: Pattie in regards to I didn't hear the comments from

632
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Speaker 5: marriage Scrimdele. But the anti government can set up a

633
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Speaker 5: Children's Health Commission or whatever issues calling it.

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Speaker 2: They can do it.

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Speaker 5: Of course they can do it, and as happens in Queensland,

636
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Speaker 5: it's up then to the various government agencies to refer.

637
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Speaker 5: Now that would require our interi government agencies actually talking

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Speaker 5: to each other and working together. Heaven forbid they could

639
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Speaker 5: do that. So you've got to have education talking with

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Speaker 5: families and territory families for example. Now I've had issues,

641
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Speaker 5: not my personal issues in the rule are where Education

642
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Speaker 5: Department won't release information at a school level to help

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Speaker 5: students in trouble and in need because churching famili said,

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Speaker 5: oh we.

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Speaker 4: Can't tell you that.

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Speaker 5: So this can work and it probably isn't a bad idea,

647
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Speaker 5: but it relies to agencies to talk to each other.

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Speaker 7: That's exactly what Marian Scrimms is proposing. What is already

649
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Speaker 7: in place in Northern Queensland, and it does. It's the departments.

650
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Speaker 7: So if kids not going to school, the Education Department

651
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Speaker 7: reports to the Family Responsibility Commission and says Hey, Katie

652
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Speaker 7: Wolf's kids aren't going to school, and the commission.

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Speaker 6: Families managed. So it's territory families as responsibility as I

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Speaker 6: understand it, to manage those family responsibility agreements and all

655
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Speaker 6: the people stretch. And then we have the Children's Commissioner.

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Speaker 7: We don't she's been on leave for more than two years,

657
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Speaker 7: and that she is another crisis in this place that

658
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 7: needs to be children. It is an absolute disgrace someone

659
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Speaker 7: who looked into these issues, who did damning reports into

660
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 7: youth detention, into child protection, and then I probably can't

661
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Speaker 7: say what I really think about what happened to her

662
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 7: from a legal perspective, But she is still on leave

663
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,959
Speaker 7: and we need back at tomorrow.

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Speaker 6: It's commissioner, regardless of who is or is not in

665
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 6: the role, the organization that is there to do what

666
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 6: they have to do. That is their part they play

667
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 6: in this. And this is what I'm saying. And you

668
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 6: don't want to add another level of matt. You don't

669
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Speaker 6: want to add another level of bureaucracy that will actually

670
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Speaker 6: stifle the ability to influence change. We've got the processes

671
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 6: and the departments in place, probably could do better coordination.

672
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Speaker 6: Keys Yet I absolutely don't disagree with you on that.

673
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Speaker 6: I agree we can do better coordination across the board.

674
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Speaker 7: Now, how many own investigation initiatives? How many own investigation

675
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Speaker 7: initiatives have been published by the Office of the Children's

676
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Speaker 7: Commissioner since Colin Gwinn went on leave?

677
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Speaker 2: No, no, don't think zero zero.

678
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Speaker 6: Yeah, listen, you know I'm not going to comment. I

679
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 6: don't know how many of you. Just tell me it's

680
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 6: zero and.

681
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Speaker 8: I have two in the works. They tell me, okay,

682
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 8: it's zero.

683
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Speaker 6: But that's what that organization is there. If they're not

684
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 6: doing that right, that we can look into that. But

685
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 6: we've got enough bureaucracy and organizations to work in this.

686
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Speaker 1: Well, look do we I mean, if you've got the

687
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: because I'm just being sad, you might do things a

688
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Speaker 1: bit differently.

689
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Speaker 2: But I'm gonna say I'll call it very early.

690
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Speaker 1: Marion Scrimdaw was on the money when the Stronger futures,

691
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: you know, when we had the ending of the stronger futures. Now,

692
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Speaker 1: also at the beginning of the year, she was stepping

693
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Speaker 1: up and she was going against what the Labor Party

694
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Speaker 1: here locally was saying. She was stepping away from the

695
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: northern territory government and saying no, we actually need alcohol

696
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: restrictions in place. We need to make sure that we're

697
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Speaker 1: doing more. And she's doing that again right now. And

698
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Speaker 1: if I was a betting woman, I would say that

699
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Speaker 1: she's in the ear of her federal counterparts saying that

700
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Speaker 1: more needs to be done.

701
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Speaker 2: That's fine, but I don't want to.

702
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Speaker 9: See THEE come in again Marion on the But what's

703
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 9: really interesting, though, is all people can all be referred

704
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 9: to income management under our legislation.

705
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Speaker 3: Today by child protection workers or social workers, all for

706
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 3: being on the BDR and a territory. Is that actually happening?

707
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 3: So the stuff wire it exists, are we doing it

708
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 3: our territory families using the tools that are available to

709
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Speaker 3: them at the moment?

710
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Speaker 5: Bill They might be under resourced and not have the

711
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 5: relevant number of stuff like our police, so they probably

712
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Speaker 5: can do it, but they probably don't have enough people

713
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Speaker 5: to do it.

714
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Speaker 1: Well, Look, we're going to take a very short break.

715
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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one oh four nine's three sixty.

716
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Speaker 2: It is the week that was.

717
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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

718
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: It is just nineteen minutes away from ten o'clock and

719
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: well on the phone line down in Alice Springs, we've

720
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Speaker 1: got Bill Yan for the colp. In the studio, we've

721
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: got Matt Cunningham, Keesy Epuric and Brent Potter. Now, the

722
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: story which has indeed been dominating, i should say headlines

723
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: over the last few weeks is the fact that the

724
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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police Commissioner, Jamie Chalker is not going to

725
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: be returning to work. I think that we've all sort

726
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: of seen that happen throughout this week after launching court

727
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: action against the Northern Territory Government over his position.

728
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 2: Now, in a.

729
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: Statement earlier in the week, on the day that the

730
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Speaker 1: Commissioner was due to return to work after taking pre

731
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Speaker 1: approved leave, the Chief Minister confirmed that he remains on

732
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Speaker 1: leave and has said we can probably all almost read

733
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Speaker 1: this statement out ourselves. As I've said previously, we've been

734
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Speaker 1: in negotiations with mister Chalker. This week a matter was

735
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Speaker 1: commenced in the Supreme Court and I'm aware of reports

736
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: discussing that matter, but will not provide comments as the

737
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: matter is currently before the court.

738
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Speaker 2: So as we.

739
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Speaker 1: All know, Michael Murphy acting in the role at this

740
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Speaker 1: point in time, and it's very much unclear when commission

741
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: at Chalker or if he's going to return to work

742
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Speaker 1: at this point.

743
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Speaker 4: I'll say something clearly.

744
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 5: Without prejudicing anything that's before the courts at the moment,

745
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 5: but clearly there wasn't and hasn't been any Well, there

746
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 5: might have been some talks, but I don't think there's

747
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 5: been any mediation because otherwise mister Chalker's team wouldn't have.

748
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 2: Taken it to the Supreme Court. So you'd think the

749
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 2: fact that what's happened.

750
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Speaker 8: Is perhaps failed mediation.

751
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 4: Mediation, I have no.

752
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 5: Doubt there's been talks between anti government and mister Chalk

753
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 5: and his legal people via the list of the General's Office,

754
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 5: but clearly it didn't work. So he believes that that's

755
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 5: an appropriate course of action. So once it's gone into

756
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 5: the Supreme Court, then it has to be dealt with.

757
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 7: So it has to be settled before it gets into

758
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 7: the Supreme Court. That I suspect is the option that

759
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 7: the Northern Territory government would be hoping to achieve now.

760
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 5: Because I well, I heard something I forget. Someone was

761
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 5: a commentator on the media on TV was saying that

762
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 5: blah blah blah in the court today, legal teams blah

763
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 5: blah blah, and we've rejourned or whatever expression is to

764
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 5: now go into settlement discussions. That's what was on the media.

765
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 5: So this is there's a few days ago.

766
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 7: But after that, after that there has now been three

767
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 7: days set down the seventh of June for the matter

768
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 7: to be heard before Justice Kelly.

769
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 4: But it can still be mediate, it can be sorted

770
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 4: out between.

771
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: Now and then a street.

772
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,439
Speaker 1: I mean, surely the Northern Territory government had some kind

773
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 1: of inkling that things may you know, it may go south,

774
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: and that there may need to be a passion that

775
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: there may need to be I don't know that there

776
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: may be in this situation.

777
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 5: That would involve doing some kind of risk assessment as

778
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 5: to what if what if we asked the Police Commissioner

779
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 5: to resign and he says no? So I think what

780
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 5: and I've said this before about this current government is

781
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 5: they have not understood and done risk assessments. They have

782
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 5: not understood crisis management, and effectively, this is what we've

783
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 5: got with this current situation with the Police Commission. Is

784
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 5: a crisis, Well it's one of the many, Well, it's

785
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 5: one of many crisis A soap opera.

786
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 3: It's more like a soap opera. This is this is

787
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 3: a complete embarrassment to them and.

788
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 4: We're in a devestment around the country.

789
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 3: The entire territory.

790
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: I've got to tell you as well.

791
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: I think, you know, the really big point to make

792
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: in this discussion is that we've spoken a lot about

793
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: police numbers and whether we've got enough police on the

794
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: beat and police morale and the issues within the Northern

795
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: Territory Police Force from that perspective, and that's something that

796
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: we've been discussing for an incredibly long period of time.

797
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 1: You know, we know, the Police Association had a survey

798
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: towards the end of last year which showed that I

799
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: believe it was sixty nine percent or seventy percent of

800
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: those respondents said that they didn't have confidence in the

801
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: Police Commissioner at that point in time.

802
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 2: That was towards the end of last year.

803
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: There has been you know, there's been issues when we

804
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 1: talk about the numbers, and then when you talk about

805
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: that discussion that we're having earlier in relation to you know,

806
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: to people calling through or trying to get through to

807
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police for different issues, and this is

808
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: not a criticism of our rank and file officers in

809
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: any way, because they.

810
00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 2: Work incredibly hard and I always.

811
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: Take my hat off to them and the work that

812
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: they do. But something's quite broken right now in not

813
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: just not just through the discussions that we're having about

814
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: trying to sort out the police commissioner situation, but in

815
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: terms of you know, territorian's being concerned that they can't

816
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: get the police out to different things where they need them.

817
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 6: So clearly, I'm not going to comment what's before the court.

818
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 6: What I would say is territories are a smart bunch

819
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 6: of people and they can see what's occurring. I think

820
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 6: most people have been involved industry relations disputes at some

821
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,479
Speaker 6: point in their life and they understand what's going on there.

822
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 6: What I would say is that they are in capable

823
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 6: hands with the deputies. You know, every organization as a structure,

824
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 6: so if someone does go on holidays or pass away,

825
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 6: or you know, all of the things that happen, you're

826
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 6: still being let and I don't think that impacts the

827
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 6: front line. Every day. They do an amazing job going

828
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 6: to work because they want to catch bad people, you know,

829
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 6: that's what they want to do. Protect Territorians and catch

830
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 6: bad people. That doesn't change when they get into the car.

831
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 6: In terms of addressing the systemic issues that have come

832
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 6: up around police, we've got an electronic shift rostering system

833
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 6: coming in later this year that is going to tell

834
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 6: us where our gaps are. It's going to give us,

835
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 6: you know, warts and all understanding of where the resources

836
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 6: are being used. We are, i believe, getting very close to,

837
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 6: if not finalized, the e b A with the union.

838
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 6: It was a good offer that was put to them.

839
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 6: They endorsed that to their to their members. It's going

840
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 6: to see them get the pay increase, it's going to

841
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 6: see them get shiftloading. It's going to see a bunch

842
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 6: of you know, things they've been asking for for a

843
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 6: very long time. And it's also giving the government some

844
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 6: of the things that we have asked for in relation

845
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 6: to getting police back to work. Territorians will see a change.

846
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 6: It's not going to happen tomorrow, but you know, we

847
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 6: shouldn't have them. We should not be having the same

848
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 6: discussions going into next year. And I think the review

849
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 6: that the independent review, the independent review that we're going

850
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 6: to have, which was an outcome from that negotiation, will

851
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 6: give exactly what territories have asked the before Bill jumps

852
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 6: up and says, we've been asking for a parliamentary review.

853
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 6: I don't believe in paying parliamentarians to sit on another

854
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 6: parliamentary review. Let's get an independent one.

855
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 8: He's doing the independent review.

856
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 6: I can definitely get that. So we need them to

857
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 6: sign up to the EBA and agreed to it to

858
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 6: them progressive, but we've agreed and to do an independent

859
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 6: review in the.

860
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 4: Police after the EBA settled.

861
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 6: Well, it's a part of the e b A as

862
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 6: in you if you agree the ABA will do this,

863
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 6: you do that.

864
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 7: This is almost what Mark Turner has been calling for

865
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:06,479
Speaker 7: for quite a while.

866
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 8: Is that right?

867
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 6: A royal commission at one point? I don't think it's

868
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 6: at the point of a royal commission.

869
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 2: To be honest for a commission level yea at all.

870
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 8: But what's it going to look into the review?

871
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 5: Well, we don't know because they won't tell us.

872
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 6: Again, going back to e BA, is there between between

873
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 6: the organization and the union and when we settle that,

874
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 6: it'll all become public right like everyone understands as a

875
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 6: process in industrial relations.

876
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: So we're only going to do a review if they

877
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: agree to the e b A. You guys don't think

878
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: that it's that it's worth doing.

879
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 6: Can I be honest? I don't think we go on

880
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 6: right and be talking about this, you know, if we

881
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 6: weren't committed to doing a review either way. But obviously

882
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 6: it's just part of the that was going to be

883
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 6: there and they and to be fair, the union has

884
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 6: done a great job for their members in advocating and

885
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 6: bringing us part of the negotiation.

886
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 8: Will it be someone from you to state who's brought

887
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 8: in to do the review?

888
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 6: You know, let's ask the nt b A who that

889
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 6: what they're thinking about it. Once we settle the e

890
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 6: b A, you know, there'll be everyone will get a

891
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 6: choice on who's I'm sure both.

892
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 5: Parties the retired judges that the police commissioner wanted, Well.

893
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: Look, we might take a We are going to have

894
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: to take a very short break. There is still plenty

895
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Speaker 1: to cover off coming your way right here on three

896
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Speaker 1: point sixty. You are listening to the week that was

897
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Speaker 1: and in the studio with us this morning. We've got

898
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: Brent Potter, Kezier Puric, Matt Cunningham and Bill Yan on

899
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: the phone line in Alice Springs. Bill I promise that

900
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: it's not Brent turning off your phone now. I do

901
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: want to actually talk about this situation out at Howard

902
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: Springs because we had a bit of a revelation. I

903
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: think you have believe well from the Deputy Chief Minister

904
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: on nine News earlier in the week where she had

905
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: said yes, there had been damage done.

906
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Speaker 2: Katie.

907
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Speaker 5: That's very concerning because the Chief Minister on more than

908
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 5: one occasion was very adamant it's just where and tear.

909
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 5: Deputy Chief Minister come out and say hell no, it's

910
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 5: been damaged like buggery, you know, and it looks like

911
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 5: that's rural speak for significant.

912
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 2: The distinguishers were all turned on and wrecked and played with.

913
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 5: The hoses were pulled out, the fire hoses, the mattresses

914
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 5: were all turfed out. There's been skip bins out there

915
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Speaker 5: taking away rubbish. I don't know there's skip bins out

916
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 5: there because I know the company that supplied the skip.

917
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 4: Bins to take away the rubbish.

918
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 5: Everyone who's done work out there don't ask me how

919
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 5: they've ever done it, but you know the contractors and

920
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 5: the people doing what they're doing out there. Obviously can't talk,

921
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 5: can't take pictures, et cetera. But clearly there has been

922
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Speaker 5: damage and serious damage and if it's miters of dollars

923
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Speaker 5: to repair, there's a there's a tender out at the

924
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 5: moment to the beds for the beds one hundred thousand

925
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 5: just just for the beds, not even the linen and

926
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 5: the repet good for the trade is they're going to

927
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Speaker 5: be doing a roaring trade over the next few months

928
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Speaker 5: to get it up to speed.

929
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Speaker 4: So the defense, this is.

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Speaker 2: The big thing.

931
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Speaker 1: We we don't know just how much damage has been caused.

932
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Speaker 1: And the Deputy Chief Minister did tell nine News Star

933
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Speaker 1: and this cruise will be going in I think early

934
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Speaker 1: this next week.

935
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Speaker 5: Have we got broken ranks within the Labor Party cabinet.

936
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Speaker 5: One says yes, one says no, one says no damage,

937
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Speaker 5: one says biggest mobile damage.

938
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Speaker 6: Everyone in the studio's eyeballing me says question.

939
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Speaker 7: There's a bit of angst on your side of the

940
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Speaker 7: Labor part and that right factional Labor page exactly.

941
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Speaker 6: The Labor Party.

942
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Speaker 2: There's factions in the Labor Party.

943
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Speaker 4: Are you on the right side of.

944
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Speaker 8: The right side? Do the diagram for your lab at

945
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Speaker 8: the moment.

946
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Speaker 6: What I would say, Katie is you know We don't

947
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 6: want one brush to tarnish everyone. You know, I've heard

948
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Speaker 6: the reports that every territory and has heard. I don't

949
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 6: get briefed on this. If there is the damage anywhere

950
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Speaker 6: near what the reports are saying, it's disgusting behavior. And

951
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Speaker 6: I hope the police investigating those individuals are accountable for

952
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 6: the damage to do.

953
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Speaker 1: But what I would minister come out and say that,

954
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Speaker 1: because that's exactly what people expect to hear. You know,

955
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 1: like people are going, well, if you're disrupting every other

956
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: person that's staying out there, that's doing the right thing,

957
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: and they're actually trying to, you know, to manage their children,

958
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: manage their lives while being away from their homes, why

959
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: should we accept crappy behavior where a small minority are

960
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: doing the wrong thing. And why mission the Chief Minister

961
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: was making it sound like she was almost trying to

962
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: protect these people that have done the wrong thing.

963
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Speaker 6: Listen, Katie. Like I said, I don't get the briefs,

964
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Speaker 6: and she may know something I don't, and I didn't

965
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 6: hear an interview unfortunately, but you know, no one should

966
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 6: have to put up with that type of behavior and damage.

967
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 6: I mean dollars, Listen, our tax TERRITORIANUS tax dollars. I mean,

968
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 6: we pulled people out from a flood zone, doing the

969
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 6: right thing in good faith for Territoris, as you would expect.

970
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 4: Anyone to do it anytime, right anywhere.

971
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 6: Any damage is unacceptable, especially if it's intentional and criminal

972
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 6: damage is just unacceptable. But I don't get the briefs

973
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Speaker 6: that they get, so I couldn't comment on what they

974
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 6: have or haven't been told.

975
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: Okay, Bill, you go.

976
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 3: There trying to justify the damage, saying people that have

977
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 3: been in natural disasters, it might be normal for them

978
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 3: to go and break stuff and smashed up up right?

979
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 3: Is that comment?

980
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 6: I didn't hear that. But I just don't want that.

981
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Speaker 6: There were good people in there that have you know,

982
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Speaker 6: I don't want them being changed, and.

983
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Speaker 2: Nobody is.

984
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: That. Nobody is saying that everybody that is in Howard

985
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 1: Springs that's been evacuated from terrible situations, the large majority

986
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Speaker 1: have done the right thing. If they hadn't, you know,

987
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Speaker 1: we've been a much worse off situation. But it's a

988
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 1: small minority that have done the wrong.

989
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 4: Thing, and it's a fair damage to minority.

990
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 1: You reckon, Yeah, Well, and look, we don't know that,

991
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, we don't know exactly how many people.

992
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, and we've all asked.

993
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: I believe that Kathleen Gazola is asked if she can

994
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: go out there next week.

995
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: I'd heard at that press conference, Matt, I'm.

996
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 4: Sure nex week.

997
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 6: Why don't think your chiefs come out and said next

998
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 6: week that you know, everyone there there will be repatriated

999
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 6: home and the facility be closing up, So you know,

1000
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 6: people will be going back to their community, and you

1001
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 6: know some may want to stay, but the reality is

1002
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 6: that facility will close as of next week. It's been

1003
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Speaker 6: months now so and be repaired.

1004
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 3: Are trying to cover up what's going on outter That's

1005
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 3: That's that's what I want to know. I think all territoryings.

1006
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 3: When I'm not the chief in saying that's where and

1007
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 3: teen and you've got the Deputy chief in saying there's

1008
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 3: belicious stamack, what's the go with the cover up? What

1009
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 3: what is government trying to hide out there? That's that's

1010
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 3: what people are asking me every day, and I think

1011
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 3: everybody wants to know that answer to that particular.

1012
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: Question, particularly after the Chief Minister had said that it

1013
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: was wear and tear.

1014
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 5: That's right, So there's there's a credibility issue there again.

1015
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 5: But I think also the fact that the Deputy Chief

1016
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 5: Minister came out and completely contradicted the Chief Minister.

1017
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 2: So that they're not in syne you guys would love

1018
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 2: it to be.

1019
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 6: But I can say I have.

1020
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 5: Great, great respect for both of them, but obviously they're

1021
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 5: not on the same hymn page.

1022
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 2: Not singing off the same sheet.

1023
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 4: No, and it is.

1024
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 5: It is very clear because it's a small town and

1025
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 5: there's enough people who work there and enough contractors who

1026
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 5: have been servicing the place, both as a normal course

1027
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 5: of servicing that kind of facility plus going into repair

1028
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 5: the damage. Now the question has to be asked, yes,

1029
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 5: this has happened. Yes, it's a group of people, persons unknown,

1030
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 5: that have created all these problems and damage. But there

1031
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 5: is no doubt we're going to get floods again in

1032
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 5: the past and people will need to be evacuated. I

1033
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 5: mean daily river springs to mind all the time. And

1034
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 5: we've never had this issue at Fosky. There's been a

1035
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 5: bit of damage at Fosky when they've been relocated there,

1036
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 5: just from overuse and wear and tear. That kind of stuff,

1037
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 5: but they were more short termed when they've stayed at Fosky.

1038
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 5: But because of Howard Springs being what it is, that

1039
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 5: was obviously a good choice because they're going to be

1040
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 5: there long. So the question has to be asked, if

1041
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 5: let's say this community is evacuated again and coming back

1042
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 5: to let's say to Howard Springs or part of how

1043
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 5: It Springs, are we going to see a repeat of

1044
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 5: this behavior.

1045
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 6: Now we've agreed to do We're going to do it

1046
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 6: after action review on all of this. You know, after

1047
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 6: any natural disaster event, you have to do it, and

1048
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 6: I think those things will be flushed out and you

1049
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 6: know there will be an understanding of what's actually occurred

1050
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 6: out there. Like I said, I don't get the brief,

1051
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 6: so I can't comment on that to a young name

1052
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 6: made public and I don't. I don't even know who's

1053
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 6: going to do it at the moment, but there will

1054
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 6: be when we do what we have to do. One

1055
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 6: under the National.

1056
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 5: Katie some months ago, it's not maybe a year or

1057
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 5: two ago now, when Impects handed over the facility to

1058
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 5: the anti government. I did a question on notice to

1059
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 5: find out how much it was costing to maintain that

1060
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 5: facility between power and water, the swimming pool, air conditioning, security,

1061
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 5: lawn landscape, et cetera. And I think it was it

1062
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 5: was working out to be a couple of hundred million,

1063
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 5: A couple of million a year. Yeah, okay, And you

1064
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 5: can say, well that's a lot of money, but you know,

1065
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 5: it's a big facility.

1066
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 2: It's worth if we're able to use it.

1067
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 5: And that's right, and it's available asset, so I may

1068
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 5: well have to do another question. I think it will

1069
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 5: the relevant minister to find out what was damaged, how

1070
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 5: many rooms, how many fire extinguishes, how many fire reels,

1071
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 5: was stuff chucked into the swimming pool, how many doors

1072
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 5: have to replace?

1073
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 4: And what is the cost?

1074
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 2: One hundred Territorians deserve to know. It is a public

1075
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 2: accent there. I'll send those questions into the government and they.

1076
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 4: Will have to answer.

1077
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 6: We do have estimates coming up as well, so there

1078
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 6: is that purrey time to ask those questions. And you're right, Cadie,

1079
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 6: Territorians don't deserve that kind of behavior. But there are

1080
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 6: a good group of people.

1081
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 5: And so who is the responsible minister for the repair bill?

1082
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 6: That's a good question, but I can find I don't

1083
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 6: know who I am.

1084
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: We are going to have to wrap up though, billyh

1085
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 1: down in Alice Springs, thanks so much for your time

1086
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: this morning.

1087
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 3: Mate nowers at all. Thank you, Katy, Thanks everybody.

1088
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: Thanks Matt Cunningham from Sky News, thank you for your

1089
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: time this morning. Thanks Katie Kezier Pure the Independent, remember

1090
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: for going to Thank you.

1091
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 2: And Brent Potter, the member for Fanny Bays, thank you

1092
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: for your time.

1093
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 6: Thanks Katie.

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Speaker 2: We'll catch you all again very soon