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Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me. Lola Berry, author, nutritionist,

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Speaker 1: and yoga teacher, join me as we get to know

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Speaker 1: these guests and learn about how their failures have ultimately

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Speaker 1: shaped their dreams. Welcome to Fearlessly Failing with Lola Berry.

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Speaker 1: Get a, it's lolls here. This next guest is James Curly,

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Speaker 1: or as I like to call him, Champo. We met

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Speaker 1: on a yoga teacher training course of Holy Smokes like

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Speaker 1: seven years ago now and we became mates ever since.

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Speaker 1: He's a TV and I was a TV presenter. He's

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Speaker 1: produced his own shows. He's into like comedy, very very

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Speaker 1: very funny, human, super witty. You'll see in this or

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Speaker 1: you'll hear in this podcast. He's just been one of

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Speaker 1: those mates that's always inspired me when I've been down

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Speaker 1: or had to knock back in the industry, and he's

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Speaker 1: been able to kind of inspire me to get back

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Speaker 1: on the horse and keep going. So I hope you

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Speaker 1: enjoy this sweet little chat with James Curly.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello Lowells.

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Speaker 1: Hello Champa. Yes, that was our nickname for.

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Speaker 2: Each other for it was doing yoga teacher training together.

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Speaker 1: That's right. So this this guest is the incredible. James Curly,

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Speaker 1: good name. By the way, cur you written in highlight

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Speaker 1: or it's off my notepage here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 3: I was a bit concerned when you you sort of

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Speaker 3: reached out and said you want to have a chat

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Speaker 3: on this podcast about failure. I was imagining you had

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Speaker 3: a bunch of like success story sort of one, and

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Speaker 3: then I was the failure addition. I was like, oh, fuck, okay,

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Speaker 3: really is this? I don't know if I want to

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Speaker 3: but it's good. That's the theme.

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Speaker 1: It's embracing failing absolutely, and everybody that's been on here

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Speaker 1: has succeeded in some way excellent. You're kind of following

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Speaker 1: their dreams and you totally have done that. So you're

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Speaker 1: an Aussie TV presenter. You have also done a lot

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Speaker 1: of radio hosted radio. You're an author. You're author of

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Speaker 1: The Man Plan, which is the modern man's guide to

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Speaker 1: getting your ship together.

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Speaker 2: That is correct.

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Speaker 1: I love. My brother was like a huge He had

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Speaker 1: a man crush on you. He was like, can I

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Speaker 1: please have the Man Plan? When was the last time

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Speaker 1: he saw a chambo?

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Speaker 3: He's a little legend, You're bro, he is. No, it's

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Speaker 3: an all round guide for guys. I suppose he has

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Speaker 3: ten areas that the guys sort of struggled, you know,

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Speaker 2: So did you get like.

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Speaker 1: A kid's book, like artist or designer to design?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all the dick you know, sort of dick jokes

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Speaker 3: and so forth in there was.

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Speaker 1: They're like a treasure map of the vagina.

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Speaker 2: Yeahats in there for men of all ages, the boys

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Speaker 2: of all ages.

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Speaker 1: You're also and you create your own content, which you've

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Speaker 1: been doing since I've ever met you. You've always been

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Speaker 1: kind of like marching to Beaver and drama, creating your

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Speaker 1: own content, often producing your own content for other shows

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, always been pretty hands on with things, whether I'm

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Speaker 1: So before I get into your awesome career, I guess

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Speaker 1: I want to share it with you my first memory

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Speaker 1: of you. So, yes, it was it a camp for

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Speaker 1: yoga teacher training. Yes, where she's starting to a bus

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Speaker 1: and I remember hearing you get up. We had to

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Speaker 1: And then on the last night of yoga teacher training,

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Speaker 1: what did you do? Do you remember what you did?

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Speaker 2: And I remember what I did?

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Speaker 1: So we were in your room, so there was I

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Speaker 1: Right, And so we got put on like silent treatment

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Speaker 1: And I look at you and we're all just chatting

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Speaker 1: we both we broke the rules there. But on the

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Speaker 1: We did. No, you definitely did. Actually, I know, I remember.

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Speaker 2: Potentially potentially the acquisitions.

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Speaker 1: So that was my first memory of you was like

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Speaker 1: I kept going to my buddy Live and I was like,

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, I love love and still still teach, still teach.

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Speaker 2: Living? Fittest? First? Do you love it? Fittest? First?

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Speaker 2: And I said, yeah, I love it so good.

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Speaker 1: It's oh, I've got to get to one of your classes, jam,

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Speaker 1: but good canne you think I've ever been to one

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Speaker 2: You've come to a coup one of those books or

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Speaker 2: something and beautiful beautiful launches, stutying, studying, lifestyle.

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Speaker 1: And you know, just world changing but also body of

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Speaker 1: mine life. You came, you got off the plane from

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Speaker 1: went to brecky all lunch after.

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Speaker 2: Correct, So I do remember ten out of.

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Speaker 1: Ten two other things about you that I just feel

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Speaker 1: we're be came quite close mates. I was like, my

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Speaker 1: friend is not only an author, a TV host, a

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Speaker 2: This is true. It's quite a broad palette of things

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Speaker 1: Is this true?

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Speaker 3: So working kids TV, you spent a lot of time

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Speaker 3: thagers for five years. Python. Yeah, it's a bread light

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Speaker 3: But yeah, we've just down that sneaky culder sack. We'll

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Speaker 1: You're learning that from like Nickelodeon.

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Speaker 3: There was a few hundred ers, I think, sort of

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Speaker 1: So good And was that your first pinch of television work?

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Speaker 3: Pretty much did some extra work, a bit of bits

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Speaker 3: and pieces through you need to pay the bills?

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Speaker 1: Of would you say, like in that kind of like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel good about blurring the lines then. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you got really known for that show. Is it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a like a would you say it's

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Speaker 3: like a game show and a fake taxi?

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Speaker 3: It was a genuine cab that I think we bought

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Speaker 2: Guerilla down in Melbourne, macking the boys.

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Speaker 1: So when you went from so you've done Nickelodeon, you've

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Speaker 3: You know, we were just doing we're getting edgy or

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Speaker 1: So what happened? And this is where I do want

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like what came next? So like, I just want

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Speaker 2: Do this, and we've tested it. It is good to go.

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Speaker 3: But you know, you roll the ice and think were

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But would you say that that's in it like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's also a lesson to take action, like

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Speaker 1: So you took the punt.

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Speaker 1: I remember I have a few calls with you and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do Sunday and Thursday and sand Frian then

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Speaker 1: This is also what I love. This is the and

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Speaker 1: you're creating content and filming stuff. So to me, it's

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Speaker 1: a testament to your tenacity.

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Speaker 2: Yeah or madness. No, you take the compliment, take thank you.

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Speaker 2: It is good.

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Speaker 3: I think you cut have booze cut out coffee. You

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Speaker 2: Or or so, totally. Yeah, you can do two time

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Speaker 1: So I am fascinated by the media will because it's

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Speaker 1: Do you know your and Yogi's listen. It's gonna might

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Speaker 1: wasn't living in Sydney yet, and it was a little

446
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Speaker 1: lemon event and you were like, yeah, let's go to

447
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Speaker 1: this event. And was like at that cool famous Paul

448
00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:05,760
Speaker 1: the King something around and they kept throughout the night

449
00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,160
Speaker 1: doing acro yoga performances kind of thing, and You're.

450
00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,000
Speaker 2: Like, do you know what I think about akro yoga?

451
00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:12,840
Speaker 1: And I was like, what, You're like a little bit

452
00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,760
Speaker 1: like frozen yoga. First mouthful, Oh, this is delicious. Second mouthful,

453
00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,680
Speaker 1: third mouthful, I think I feel it sick. I was

454
00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,920
Speaker 1: like every time I seen akro yog.

455
00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:23,760
Speaker 2: Now I'm like, you can't.

456
00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,119
Speaker 3: Yes, I love akro yogis, by the way, but I

457
00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:29,879
Speaker 3: just want to be fun to do it, fun to

458
00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:34,560
Speaker 3: do it. Yeah, Spectators, you're not You're not hanging around, no,

459
00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:36,000
Speaker 3: but you have.

460
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,080
Speaker 1: Been one of those friends that we've kind of shared this, uh,

461
00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,280
Speaker 1: definitely the media life journey together and the highs and lows.

462
00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,800
Speaker 1: And we had this little gang called the Last Settlers

463
00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,000
Speaker 1: because we believed in never settling. That gang full of

464
00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,320
Speaker 1: how many souls, how many people in the gang.

465
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Speaker 2: Two of us yeah, remember didn't.

466
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Speaker 1: It didn't take off, but we would talk to each

467
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,560
Speaker 1: other and kind of like inspire each other. I remember

468
00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,920
Speaker 1: like I was getting dropped from gigs or i'd lose

469
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,880
Speaker 1: a TV gig and you'd be like, lols, you got this,

470
00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,440
Speaker 1: like come on, and you were totally a voice of

471
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Speaker 1: reason when I was feeling really down and out and

472
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,320
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for that. But I think the

473
00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,000
Speaker 1: and this is where I want to shine a light

474
00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,080
Speaker 1: on the media world. It's not that easy, like for

475
00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,920
Speaker 1: the ten percent of photos people see on Instagram of

476
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:26,000
Speaker 1: viewing me like you're interviewing cool people, or I've got

477
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,640
Speaker 1: a segment on Channel ten tomorrow. Now for that three

478
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,000
Speaker 1: minute segment you see me on Channel ten, I will

479
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,640
Speaker 1: have been up from since seven getting to my mate's house,

480
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 1: cooking the final products, so that I have a final

481
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,359
Speaker 1: product to be like, he's what I preferred earlier, buying

482
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Speaker 1: all the props, buying all the ingredients. I know what

483
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 1: time will worse open seven am. That's when I'll be

484
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,080
Speaker 1: there tomorrow, And that doesn't bother me because again time

485
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,280
Speaker 1: stops and I'm on set. But you only get to

486
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 1: see that little I'm sure as hell. I'm not going

487
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 1: to be posting a selfie from woollies, like guh, it's

488
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,240
Speaker 1: just picking up some Granny Smith apples. I'm going to

489
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 1: be posting hair lam looking great on set.

490
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Speaker 2: Goes into getting a gig as well.

491
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Speaker 3: You know, there's so many conversations, there's so many you know,

492
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,119
Speaker 3: so much planning, so much pitching, so much back and

493
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,119
Speaker 3: forth as well that you know totally like that's amazing

494
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 3: money for that gig, is it?

495
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:10,440
Speaker 2: Well, there's well.

496
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Speaker 1: For that for that, A lot of one going to

497
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Speaker 1: that one segment. I think I sent twenty to thirty

498
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Speaker 1: recipe ideas and we're doing one, so they pick the

499
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Speaker 1: one that they think is the strongest. Yeah, you know,

500
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Speaker 1: And and I don't mind because I love it, like

501
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Speaker 1: I love when I'm filming the same with it. It's

502
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Speaker 1: like time. Yeah, but I just think i'd love to

503
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Speaker 1: shine a light on that. You know, it is a

504
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,359
Speaker 1: slog like it isn't It's a hustle man, like just

505
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 1: even before this, like I'm like Champa, I've got a

506
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,280
Speaker 1: log a bit of this, like you know, we don't

507
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Speaker 1: really stop. And I think and that's where like my

508
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 1: first like real, I know, we've been rapping on but

509
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 1: my first real question is like what was some of that?

510
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,880
Speaker 1: I know there's like totally high points in your meaning,

511
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 1: Like when I google you and look at YouTube, there's

512
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Speaker 1: snaps of you on a red carpet interviewing like is

513
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Speaker 1: it Rachel Griffiths. I don't have to say a second

514
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,640
Speaker 1: a massive Australian actress. Yeah, you're on a red carpet,

515
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, interviewing someone.

516
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's lots of lots of lots of red carpet stuff.

517
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 1: Absolutely lots of high moments though where and also like

518
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 1: you was the star on the red carpet where you've

519
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 1: got like, you know, paparazzi snapping away plus Insinny paparazzi

520
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 1: is brutal. You can be in a red carpet if

521
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 1: they don't know who you are. There's this moment where

522
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 1: they drop their cameras down and just look at you

523
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 1: and wait for you to walk by, and I'm like,

524
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 1: get off, let's get off the ground, eat me out

525
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 1: right now. But yeah, what are some of the lower

526
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Speaker 1: times in media? Like did the show on Channel V

527
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 1: did that end? Really? Like I don't know about these things,

528
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Speaker 1: or have you ever been dropped from a gig or

529
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Speaker 1: how to show it.

530
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Speaker 2: I think I.

531
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Speaker 3: Always trying to last through even the darker times. I

532
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Speaker 3: mean that the datting SHOWT ten that got axed. I

533
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Speaker 3: think you have a fairly good idea where things are heading.

534
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Speaker 2: You know, we'll do it.

535
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Speaker 3: Would shoot I think about five fifteen each day, would

536
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Speaker 3: shoot a live promo for that night. And so it's

537
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Speaker 3: been acts that day and everyone knew it's awkward sort

538
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Speaker 3: of thing, and I was pretend I didn't know for

539
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 3: the promo. Yes, I've got everyone in the studio, like

540
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 3: in the in the control room. I'm like, oh, let's

541
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 3: let's get the camera guy out. He let's let's roll up,

542
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 3: We'll get the what are we six thirty nine, six

543
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 3: six o'clock?

544
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Speaker 2: What's seven thirty? You just sort of sea going fuck.

545
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 2: He doesn't know. How could they have not have told him?

546
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Speaker 3: Share?

547
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 2: Oh my guys, I know I thought you might.

548
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 1: Have said live to air and right.

549
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 3: Just just pretending that just to amplify that awkwarders and

550
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 3: actually laughed about you know, something that we probably all

551
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 3: all saw was coming.

552
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Speaker 2: But you can never you can ever personally.

553
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Speaker 3: I mean, you always get to personalize them with a

554
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 3: certain degree, but you've got to, yeah, insulate yourself and

555
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 3: have just see that. You know, that's the essence of optimism,

556
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 3: is sort of seeing the opportunity in the in the difficulty. Otherwise,

557
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 3: you know, you can always see difficulty. It's it's a

558
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 3: pretty basic human fundamental thing. I think that that that

559
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Speaker 3: idea of human your brain being like a garden bed

560
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 3: as well, if.

561
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 2: You let sort of weeds grow in there.

562
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Speaker 3: Oh yes, you know it's yeah, that's like you've got

563
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 3: to you've got to rake it. You've got to clear

564
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 3: clear the negative shit out and focus on what you want.

565
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: Otherwise you sort of, you know, steer into things you don't.

566
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 2: So have you.

567
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: Really calm now? But like he's got a fire sign.

568
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: I've got to be honest, which I love. That's probably

569
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Speaker 1: one of my favorite things about you. Have you ever

570
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Speaker 1: been in a business situation where you've kind of really

571
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Speaker 1: had to stand up for what you believe in and

572
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: been like, no, I believe that you're wrong and this

573
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Speaker 1: is what I believe. Has that ever had to happen?

574
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think in different levels as well,

575
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 3: in some very blunt ways, in some blunt's more subtle

576
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 3: sort of ways as well. I think you sort of

577
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 3: say things without saying them sometimes and people sort of

578
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 3: understand in that sense. Yeah, I'm trying to think of

579
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 3: it a specific example.

580
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Speaker 1: We've just shared stories where I've heard you and you're like,

581
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: I told him, fy, is it like you know all

582
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: these this story And I was like, wow, that like

583
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: in a good powerful way because you were just like honest, blunt.

584
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Speaker 1: You're also highly intelligent, so it's easy for you to

585
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Speaker 1: do the any ways, like the stealth ways of like yeah,

586
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 1: basically they don't realize till like twenty minutes later.

587
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Speaker 2: What happened here.

588
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is it's good to have a few. It's

589
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 3: always good to have options. I think we're as happy

590
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 3: as you know we do have options. But having some

591
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 3: different gears to change through and working out a few

592
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 3: different gears that you can change through is you know,

593
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,239
Speaker 3: from a performance point of view is so important, but

594
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Speaker 3: also from a negotiation point of view or a human

595
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Speaker 3: interaction point of view.

596
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Speaker 1: Do you negotiate some of your own contracts for those shows?

597
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I don't know.

598
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Speaker 3: I've always always loved I don't know what it is

599
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 3: about negotiation, but always and we're doing a lot of

600
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Speaker 3: real estate options now. The massive part of that is

601
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 3: is having really uncomfortable conversations with people in a fairly

602
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Speaker 3: you know, fundamental.

603
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 2: About money out of their future.

604
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, totally, which which just exposes all the different

605
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 3: you know, facets of the human psyche, which totally is

606
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 3: good and scary because you know, there's, yeah, there's there's

607
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 3: a lot of emotions that come up with that. Yeah,

608
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 3: you've got to be careful how hard you push in

609
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 3: certain areas and so. But the same with media negotiations

610
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 3: or contract negotiations.

611
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: Always negotiated your own. From my memory about conversations like,

612
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Speaker 1: I'm quite fearful of that, I don't. I don't think

613
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Speaker 1: I value myself high enough to do that for myself,

614
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: and so having someone on my team to do that,

615
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Speaker 1: I'm like, thank god, thank Like take take twenty, I don't.

616
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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like the feeling of I don't

617
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Speaker 1: know why. Maybe like low self worth stuff. Let's be honest,

618
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Speaker 1: I think.

619
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Speaker 3: We all work on that. Though it's with male, female, young, old, whatever.

620
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 3: It's probably the fundamental human just to me.

621
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Speaker 1: Younger than you, because I love that.

622
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 3: No, I didn't like any age group, any gentle self

623
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 3: worth and self love is such a big fundamental issue

624
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 3: with with with humans. It kind of comes I think

625
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 3: so many you know, so many parts of addiction, depression,

626
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 3: Like everything sort of comes back to that, which is

627
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 3: fascinating territory. The more you sor to think about not

628
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 3: just self worth and self love, but self concept, that

629
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 3: ideal you what you actually in physig as yourself. You

630
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 3: know that that kind of bizarre thing around income where

631
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 3: people will have a subconscious concept of what they're worth

632
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 3: per year and will work really hard toly hit that.

633
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 3: When they go over it, those self sabotage so they're.

634
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 2: Back to that.

635
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 3: You know, oh wow, fascinating sort of Russian studies around it.

636
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 3: And you know in the sports science of the sense

637
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 3: as well, you sort of look at people when there

638
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 3: was you know, the high jumps at of height got

639
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 3: broken you two meters whatever it was, and then then

640
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 3: ten people did it that year. Is that that idea

641
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 3: what's possible for humans?

642
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

643
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 3: And the same for you know, just an individual center sense,

644
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 3: like there's certain beliefs we all have about ourselves and

645
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 3: that's why we are where we are and you know,

646
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 3: living in the house we're living, and what the subconscious

647
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: beliefs that are programmed in that we let you know,

648
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,959
Speaker 3: drum into our brains and worlds totally.

649
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: And I think you and I both are on the

650
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: same page of this one. But like, I'm big into

651
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: therapy and working on that shit and working on your

652
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: like limiting beliefs.

653
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, likely facing.

654
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: It sitting in the ship cleaning the garden the way

655
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: you were. You had just said ship instead of ship,

656
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 1: but cleaning the garden of the mind. One other thing

657
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: that makes me think of you is like, there's this

658
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: fearlessness about you. The podcast is called Fearlessly Failing.

659
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: A branding moment for them.

660
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: No, not at all. This is a flashbag moment, flash

661
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 1: back moment. We face a fear together. I wasn't your

662
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: fear because you'd done it five times or it was

663
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: the fifth time you've done it. Do you know what

664
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: I'm talking about?

665
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 2: Sky diving?

666
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, man and Champo, you'd got four times before, am

667
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: I right? And so they're like, look, we're gonna he's

668
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: gonna go out backwards and fall backwards. Do you remember this.

669
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: He's hanging me out the plane the whole way up.

670
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 2: We had frostbite. It was ridiculous. He was taking.

671
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: And then you look at me, and because you were

672
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: going out backwards, my guy had the GoPro on his arm,

673
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: so I had to hang out and film you off.

674
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: My guy. I'd never got over before, and so there

675
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: was a moment right before you jumped and you looked

676
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: at me and you're like, never settle the last settlers,

677
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: like jumped out backwards. But I wouldn't have done that

678
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: with anyone else in the world. Like, thank you so much.

679
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: I know for you've done it a few times, but

680
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: that was a massive deal for me.

681
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 2: It was, yeah, it was. It was awesome.

682
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 3: The favorite thing of that day was my best mate's dog, Banjo,

683
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 3: who was serving Afghanistan at the time, and I put

684
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 3: my skydving goggles, my doggles dog doggles the dog, the

685
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 3: dog goggles on the dog, and then posted a picture

686
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 3: that I jumped and stratched me into my harness.

687
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: It's a bunch of just you.

688
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 3: Know that that forty to fifty percent of people on

689
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 3: Instagram with sub sort of you know, eighty IQs just went.

690
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 2: What, oh my god, how did it was it? Okay?

691
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: How did it was it scared? What did it? What

692
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: did I think? A dog?

693
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,719
Speaker 1: I really I remember I could have throttled you though,

694
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: because on the way we had the big drive up

695
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: together and you're like, oh, heads up. Often the dude

696
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: that you jump with is gonna like crack onto you.

697
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: He gave me the heads up and I was like, okay, great.

698
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: As I'm getting strapped up by my jump buddy, He's like,

699
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: what are you going to give me if I keep

700
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: you alive? And I was like anything, mate. At this

701
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: point of the game, I'm sweety, what a baby, and

702
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: I jump out of the plane with this two he

703
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: was a legend. Jump out of the plane. And then

704
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: he writes me reaches out on Facebook, and I'm like,

705
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: Champo could have had my back a little bit more. Yeah,

706
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: it was my own mate.

707
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 3: The TV show did with the female presenter, and that's

708
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 3: what made me give you the heads up.

709
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 2: They can be a little bit creepy.

710
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 3: Because I was sitting in between the guy's legs and

711
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 3: the way up there, and I noticed he'd tightened the

712
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 3: harness right up in her and she was in his lap.

713
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: I was like, jerking, It's weird that I'm sort of

714
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 3: free to not bump and grind against him, but you're not.

715
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: Is that kind of ps we love skydiving and sky.

716
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 2: Of them are good blokes.

717
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but instead of drench chasing adrenaline too, Like it

718
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: makes sense to me, but I did want. I was like,

719
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: I can't not mention the skydiving on this podcast. That's

720
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: another thing from our friendship that I want to mention. Yes,

721
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: it comes back to the spearfishing, and I think I

722
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: we boasted kind of like we'd kind of bounce each

723
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: other's dating experiences off one another and be like, oh,

724
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: may that's one on this date. What do you reckon?

725
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: And you'd be like, Lola, what type of fish? Can

726
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: you remember? Your scale?

727
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, well sort of based on there's there's in Sydney. Anyway,

728
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 3: there's two sort of fundamental processes to spearfishing. You can

729
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 3: go and dive deep, I guess, and go look off reefs,

730
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 3: you know, further a feel for pelagic so for you know,

731
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 3: for kingfish, for salmon's not probably, but essentially kingfish versus

732
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 3: the fish that are in around the rocks that are

733
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: easy to find. So so to go out you might

734
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 3: spend half a day waiting for kingfish and they never come. Yeah,

735
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 3: you know, so you may get some amazing but you

736
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 3: probably go empty handed, versus going in around the reefs

737
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,239
Speaker 3: and getting some brim, getting swam more on, getting some

738
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 3: you know, drama blackfish, use it and you'll always get something. Yeah,

739
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 3: so it's great, Yeah, great metaphor for dating.

740
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: So the theory is like we'll go on like I'd

741
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: go on a date with someone and I'd be like,

742
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: cham but it's been on this date and he'd be like,

743
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: what kind of fish? What did you get?

744
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: What would you cash? And I'd be like.

745
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: Brand mate, never going to see them again. Salmon is

746
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: like was like the medium, like there could be potential,

747
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: we don't know, do you remember. We'd be like there's

748
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: a bit of hope there.

749
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: Maybe, Yeah, I think it's a around there. Generally, Sidney

750
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 3: Salmon's not not amazing.

751
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: No, not. And then Kingfish is like the Holy Grail

752
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: and it's like, my boyfriend has this saying drama Chicken Palma,

753
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: dalla lama.

754
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: You probably hurt this one. So you walk into a bar.

755
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you walk into a bar, hot girl, but she's drama,

756
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: so stay away. Chicken Palma definitely a hot girl, very

757
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: hot girl, but no drama. So you could probably take

758
00:32:59,200 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: her home.

759
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: She'd be all right.

760
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: And then Dalai Lama is like the unicorn doesn't exist

761
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: the kingfish.

762
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 3: Yeah right, okay, Rare, Yeah, well, you've got to have

763
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 3: some lonely times waiting and just being comfortable being with

764
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 3: yourself for the Dalai Lama or the kingfish, or that,

765
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 3: you know, the dream to become along the kingfish.

766
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: I love. I still use this metaphor to this day.

767
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: I think there needs to be a man plan Mark two.

768
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 2: My friend maybe maybe.

769
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: Their fishing alogy fish.

770
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's one of the most calming things.

771
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 3: Even I just going snorkeling in city, so so sort

772
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 3: of calming because it's another world. You're focusing on your breathing.

773
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 3: It's calming. You sort of feel. Unless you calm your

774
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 3: mind down, you kind of resist or wrestle the water

775
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 3: a bit. You sort of got to calm down to

776
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 3: be okay and relax there to be able to dive down,

777
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 3: be able to move you know, around underwater and so forth.

778
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 3: You've got to slow everything down.

779
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: So it's a good present. Very Yoki.

780
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: Then it is I like that masively, Okay.

781
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: I want to ask it. This is I know I'm

782
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: flying around.

783
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 2: Like a little but this must have lower perry.

784
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, I was like that as a compliment.

785
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: You've worked in America quite a bit, and I think

786
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: the trivia show you were talking about that might have

787
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 1: come out of America.

788
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, gone out of San France.

789
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: What would you say working in the media world in

790
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: America versus working in the media world in Australia, what

791
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: would you say the difference is, Well, I.

792
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: Think it's like different parts of America as well, Like

793
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 3: La is a very yes sort of culture, like everyone

794
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 3: wants to do something, let's create something, and it's.

795
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 2: A very I think it's got a vacuous sort of place.

796
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 3: There's obviously a lot more opportunity I think across America

797
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: than Australian the media landscape, which which is exciting, but

798
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 3: definitely found New York.

799
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: To be far more like less bullshit.

800
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 3: You know, you get like a day of meetings New York,

801
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 3: you can cut through the ship like you couldn't in

802
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 3: a month of meetings in La, which.

803
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: Which was which is really good.

804
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think they're still a little bit in

805
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 3: front of us for sure, in the in the you know,

806
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 3: as far as different broadcast approach, like things are still

807
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 3: coming down the pipes to us from from the States.

808
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say where. It's sort of neck neck to

809
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: next with the many means.

810
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 3: So it's always good to have a look if you are,

811
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 3: you know, thinking about making things, have a look what's coming,

812
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 3: you know, to fruition in America, and.

813
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 2: It will sure, you know, more often than not, follow

814
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: follow here.

815
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: Five years later.

816
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes it feels like five.

817
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's more.

818
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 3: It's probably a bit more blunt as well, a bit

819
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 3: more aggressive the business world over the States, and you know,

820
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 3: there's there's more of a cockiness to it, there's more

821
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 3: of an aggressiveness to it.

822
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: I don't want you to take this the wrong way,

823
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: but I feel like you would suit that. And I

824
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: don't mean that you're cocky, you're aggressive aggressive, But I

825
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: think when I when I speak to you and you're

826
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: in America, you're like, well, you're on, like you to me,

827
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: like you're not to quote childish Gambino, you're so woke,

828
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: You're just like there, you're in the moment, you're like buzzing,

829
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: You're in that when you describe having a lot of

830
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: potential and like that, I feel like you're in that

831
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: energy force. Yeah, guys, is that the right word? I

832
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: never know how to use that word. Yeah, I did

833
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: the wrong word. I did get sick. Yeah, yeah, I

834
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: know what you may but you're in that. I can

835
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: feel it.

836
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, And there's certain elements in Australia where I get

837
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 3: that for sure, and it's similar to the vibe, but

838
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 3: there is a there's a massive amount of that in

839
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 3: the States for sure.

840
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: So I think I feel like when I go there,

841
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, if I've been there for three years

842
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: makes me so sad, but it feels like there's a

843
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: lot more doing. It just feels like there's and yes

844
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: it might mean more failures happen, but there's in Australia.

845
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: And to talk to.

846
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 3: More supportive culture, Like culturally America is far more you know, yeah, yeah,

847
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 3: you can do it sort of thing. There's there's a

848
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 3: far more restrictive in a sad way. I think Australia

849
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 3: there's a far less supportive culture.

850
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: And I think failing is okay there, Like you take

851
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: the risk, you fail, you fail, and we were talking

852
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 1: about this before you fail forward, it takes you somewhere else,

853
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: it changes, you're out. It's okay to do that, whereas

854
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 1: here it's like, oh, you failed, you're you fucked up?

855
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: Oh you've like I remember when I sold my smoothie bar,

856
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: You've come to happy place you?

857
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I forget you sold it.

858
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: I sold it and it was really funny. So not

859
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: funny but fascinating. So about eighty percent of people were like,

860
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: oh are you okay?

861
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 2: Yeah?

862
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: Right, and there was twenty percent, maybe even ten percent

863
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: They're like, oh my god, that's so exciting.

864
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: What's next?

865
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: Right, So, like the people that were like, I'm so

866
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 1: excited for you were generally like high very high functioning

867
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: business people and like very successful people in their fields.

868
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: And the people that were not all worked for other people. Yep,

869
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,439
Speaker 1: right yeah, is that my making sense?

870
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, yeah, embracing risk, yeah, and.

871
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: Being like, sick, this is just making space for you

872
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: to chase another dream, Like this is just opening a

873
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: door for something else. And when I sold it, I

874
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: had a mixture of both things. Initially that my ego

875
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: was totally attached, but eventually I was like, oh, sick,

876
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: this frees me up for this and this and this,

877
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: and I don't have to float it every winter. So

878
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: I'm going to say X amount of thousand, thousands of

879
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: dollars as a result of selling it. So it to me,

880
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: it was a no brainer.

881
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful thing as well.

882
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 3: I think to call it quits on something having it

883
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 3: go on being tenacious to your own detriment is you know,

884
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 3: the nasi is a beautiful thing, but if you're doing

885
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 3: it just for the sake of doing it, like I think,

886
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 3: you know, we've we've all had good and bad relationships.

887
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 3: I think there's there's relationships I've had where I should

888
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 3: have left long before, but needed to stay longer to

889
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 3: learn whatever it was. You know, it's not until you know,

890
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 3: a friend sort of tells you in the in the

891
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 3: most beautiful terms that you've got to get out that

892
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 3: you you know, you hear it from friends and family

893
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 3: whatever else, but you you don't. You don't sort of

894
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 3: hear it until you've learned whatever it was you had

895
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 3: to be in that. You know, I sort of understanding

896
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 3: the fundamentals of psychology as well, that you know, we

897
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 3: we have you know, certain things happened to us to

898
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 3: grow beyond the limitations or what we're born into, to

899
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 3: evolve beyond that's that's why they've happened. And having that

900
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 3: that sort of positive outlook that things happened for us,

901
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 3: not not to us, so fucking.

902
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 2: Cliche, but.

903
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 3: Understanding that even because you sort of see friends go

904
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 3: through things or you go through things and you think,

905
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 3: why are they continually doing this? But it's that evolution

906
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 3: that you know, hopefully everyone you love gets through.

907
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta do the work in order to get

908
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: through though. Yeah, exactly would you say, and you've just

909
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: touched on this sign I'm going to like die, But

910
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 1: would you say, like a breakup that you may have

911
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: been through was triggering for some mental health stuff like

912
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: we've before, we were like, you know, having been through

913
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: a little bit of anxiety and depression to things like

914
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: for me, heartbreak always triggers that shit, like all my shit.

915
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: If there's heartbreak or a shit you break up, all

916
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: of that stuff gets triggered, and then I know I've

917
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: got to face all my do all my work.

918
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I think you know.

919
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,479
Speaker 3: Some of my best creative moments, my best personal growth

920
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 3: moments obviously came out of the darkest times. I was telling

921
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 3: you before about what have been Nickelodeon, maybe three or

922
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 3: four years in Diickelodeon, and we'd get male and heaps

923
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 3: of heaps of male from kids, you know, like drawing

924
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 3: pictures of us and this and that and JK and

925
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 3: T Bone was the guy's doing it with like the

926
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 3: Steak Tea Boy and there's a picture of Tea Bone smiling,

927
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 3: a picture of me frowning. This is we sort of

928
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 3: got the mail out and it's like live TV, like

929
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 3: what's this one? And generally kids male, you don't really

930
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 3: have to prep too much, you know, yeah, just hit

931
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,479
Speaker 3: me in the arts. You know, there's this Are you happy? JK?

932
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: How old Reckon? He was the kid that wrote in.

933
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 2: Like six six or seven.

934
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: Wow.

935
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy.

936
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 3: So there's like cutting, like cuttingly beautiful, caring child that

937
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 3: just like sums you up to your soul where you think,

938
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 3: oh you can put on a smile or whatever else.

939
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 3: And yeah, it was in a terrible relationship at the

940
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 3: time and just just just confronting depression, you know.

941
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: And that's so how old have you been there?

942
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: Like twenty three, I Reckon pretty solid age.

943
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: Just having to start work on yourself, Like that's pretty

944
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: young to have to start. Most people wait till their

945
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: thirties to start work.

946
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but it was.

947
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 3: But it's a good it's a good slap to wake

948
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 3: up like, oh, okay, yeah, that is that kids completely

949
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 3: read me like a book.

950
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: You know, did you scene.

951
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: Sorry coming up? Did you ever were you ever medicated?

952
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: No?

953
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 3: No, I did actually like check myself into like a

954
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 3: group therapy kind of program after that, and which you

955
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 3: feel like, you know, it's quite confronting, I guess confronting

956
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 3: your issues because you're like, oh, you know, what's wrong

957
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 3: with the kind of thing. But got so much of

958
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 3: my life from that, from you know, doing that work,

959
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 3: which is the hardest work you can do.

960
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: I think it's he's just got a little text or

961
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: call on his phone which is linked to his Apple,

962
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: just keeping.

963
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: The through on the depth of that.

964
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

965
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

966
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: It's so you were saying, how like when you went

967
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: to the group therapy that was super super confronting. I

968
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: think any kind of thing that actually makes massive courage

969
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: and bravery.

970
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

971
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean in a funny sense, there was

972
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 3: people far more fucked up. It was this great amount

973
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 3: of going jeez, I thought I had some issues, but

974
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 3: you know, you're sort of facing because you're diving into

975
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 3: childhood stuff, you you know, digging, you're digging through the

976
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 3: closets sort of thing and just seeing what comes up,

977
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 3: which in a safe sort of place is amazing, but

978
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 3: you're sort of seeing people going through tenfold. You know,

979
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 3: I was depressed and upset about a girlfriend cheating on

980
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 3: me and wanted to have more creative freedom in my.

981
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: Life and more expression.

982
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 3: And then you know they're there with people that are

983
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 3: battling with sex, addictional or heroin.

984
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 2: You're okay, and I think, yeah, I need to get

985
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 2: out of myself a little bit here.

986
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: But at the same time not to discount like that

987
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: those you know, I think that it's very common for

988
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: people that work in the arts and are creative to

989
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: feel really deeply so like being cheated on would have

990
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: felt like for you, like abandonment and go back to

991
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: massive childhood stuff like it would be it would have

992
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: been such a catalyst for you to feel I imagine

993
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: like you've got a really so low self worth or

994
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: thought whatever it was. But I mean, don't discount what

995
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: you've been through too.

996
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

997
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And as much as there is that relativity

998
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 3: sort of you know, capacity to look at other people

999
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 3: with less and more, it's always always good to look

1000
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 3: at people with you know less or who've gone through

1001
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 3: more and give yourself that relativity in that sense. But yeah,

1002
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:26,479
Speaker 3: that that work is priceless, super tough, and it literally

1003
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 3: came from that moment with a kid and sort of going, shit,

1004
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 3: I've got to I've got to face this, this this issue.

1005
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: How long did you keep the therapy on for? Like

1006
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: how long?

1007
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 3: I think it was a pretty intensive course and then

1008
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 3: would yeah, see it see a counselor once every fortnight

1009
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 3: or so for maybe a year, which is good, And

1010
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 3: a bunch of processes as you go through and work

1011
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 3: out a few things, and lots of journaling and all

1012
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 3: sort of cliche things that ultimately do clear your head.

1013
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 2: Lots of mindfulness, lots of.

1014
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 1: Training. There was a whole part of it on releasing

1015
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: in negative core beliefs and it.

1016
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 3: Felt very, very confronting and very you know, CBT sort

1017
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 3: of based stuff.

1018
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1019
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 3: Absolutely, but I think, yeah, a lot of people sort

1020
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 3: of live through the pain of things that are you know,

1021
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 3: changeable and are reprogrammable to a certain stent. And you

1022
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: sort of can have those things you want if you

1023
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 3: if you walk into that dark closet of your mind

1024
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 3: and you know, shine the torch around. Yeah, but it's

1025
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 3: not it's not a fun process.

1026
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: No, And I think that. I think it's awesome that

1027
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: you've said that, because it's hard, but it's worth it.

1028
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one of the things as well. You forget

1029
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 3: what you've learned then realized, oh there's things that creep

1030
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 3: back in. You're like, ah, shit, this isn't It isn't

1031
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 3: like a car service that you do once and then

1032
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 3: you know you're good for twenty years. You've got to

1033
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 3: kind of, yeah, keep on top of things and see

1034
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 3: things that creep back and keep that awareness and keep

1035
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 3: that sort of mindfulness going for sure.

1036
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: Well, I have a therapist that I see weekly, Terry Terry,

1037
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: and I've been seeing him for two years weekly now,

1038
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: and he's like, I went to him for a breakup,

1039
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 1: same thing. I was just like, I feel like shit,

1040
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: I can't get over it, and I'm questioning my self worth.

1041
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: And within about four weeks we'd wrap that up pretty quick.

1042
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: He was like, what stage would you like to stop

1043
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 1: dating nalysis? And I was like, oh okay, and I said,

1044
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: but I want to keep coming here because I feel

1045
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: like I'm doing good stuff. And he he goes, let's

1046
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: get you bulletproof. And so that's kind of my mantra

1047
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: is like let's get bulletproof. So something like selling a

1048
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: cafe that technically failed is exciting to me, you know.

1049
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 3: So, but I still see that as you're getting you know,

1050
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 3: your cafe off the ground and then launching and doing

1051
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 3: great things and moving on the next project.

1052
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, but and now I see this that too, Like

1053
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: now I look at it in that light, But at

1054
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: the time when I was in it, I was like, well,

1055
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: is me? But that's where I think having a therapist

1056
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: that can give you that non bias but very clear,

1057
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: intelligent and grounded sound support is integral.

1058
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always been a huge fan that.

1059
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 3: Yet, getting objectivity on your subjectivity is the best best

1060
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 3: money you can spend. Okay, you can only really do

1061
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 3: with someone outside your own mind.

1062
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: Totally, totally, and also someone that's not on your team.

1063
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: Like when I say he's on my team, but like

1064
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: it's not my boyfriend, it's not my best mate, it's.

1065
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 2: Not what you want to hear. Yeah, oh my anyway,

1066
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 2: you know, so you go.

1067
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: He said a few times like so how long do

1068
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: you want to stay in this mud for? And are

1069
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: we going to cry today? Because there's really no need

1070
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: like really, like he's like tough on me beautifully tough,

1071
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: where there's moments of just like, that's how I grow

1072
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: it because I feel safe to be I love being tough,

1073
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 1: talk like I love it, and I feel safe because

1074
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: I know where it comes from the place of wanting

1075
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: me to be my best. This guy trains like mentally

1076
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: trains fighters like that's his and a high powered businessman

1077
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: and he changed what's that Australim fighter? Is it Sam

1078
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: Robinson or big box art Australian.

1079
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 2: I'm so shippy.

1080
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but he's good with Laura and Fauna and.

1081
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 3: The least sportingly inclined heterosexual male in the country.

1082
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: I reckon it's anyway. But yeah, so people that are

1083
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: high achieve is what I'm getting at.

1084
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 2: Okay, it's good.

1085
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: So what I want to quickly, let's plug your podcast

1086
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 1: The Founders The Founders. Yes, I didn't even know. I

1087
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: feel bad. I don't know about it.

1088
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 2: You know it's about I guess, people doing their own thing.

1089
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: So why have you not invited me to be on

1090
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: your podcast?

1091
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: I did, but I didn't ask. Didn't ask. If any

1092
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 2: you're right, you're coming on.

1093
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 3: We're having your similar thing, like talking about the hurdles,

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Speaker 3: talking about I guess, you know, running your own show

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Speaker 3: nine intended business, you know, sort of farm of the

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Speaker 3: first year if you're trying to have to crack yourself

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Speaker 3: in astrayas So talking about you know, the ones who

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Speaker 3: have made it. Obviously, like anything, there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: values on the way to making it. So yeah, trying

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Speaker 3: to incubate as many of those lessons, I guess within

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Speaker 3: those chats to show people to help them, you know,

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Speaker 3: get get to do what they want. That that independence,

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Speaker 3: that doing things. You know, some people do want to

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Speaker 3: work for someone, some people want to create their own

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Speaker 3: world and destiny so good.

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Speaker 1: And I think as well, it's okay and you I'm

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Speaker 1: sure this is reflected in your guest, but it's okay

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Speaker 1: for that destiny to change. Like I've literally gone from

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Speaker 1: writing cookbooks to doing almost full time acting, school study

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Speaker 1: and coaching, and I'm just like, I'm thirty four and

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Speaker 1: I've totally changed, which is what makes me happy. And

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Speaker 1: that's okay. So I think having that kind of courage

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Speaker 1: just like feelsly just.

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Speaker 2: Like go for it exactly, no prisoners.

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Speaker 1: So if yeah, big time. So just parting words for

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Speaker 1: anyone that's like a creative or that would love to

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Speaker 1: work in media or work in television or work in radio.

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Speaker 1: What's your take home? Like, what's your I think?

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Speaker 3: I think one of my favorite quotes of all time,

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Speaker 3: Like I met Andrew Denton. I've always loved met him

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Speaker 3: a few years ago. So smart, so fucking smart, so smart.

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Speaker 3: I took I took a picture of like fifty doors

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Speaker 3: in Italy this year, like crusty old doors, beautiful doors,

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Speaker 3: brass doors, you know, stone doors, everything else. And I

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Speaker 3: haven't edited them together yet, but it was around a

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Speaker 3: quote that he gave me. He mentored me for for

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Speaker 3: a while, and he said, everyone's looking for magic door.

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Speaker 3: You know, everyone's you know, whether it's you know, the job,

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Speaker 3: the person, the you know, the the car, whatever, you know.

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Speaker 3: The he said, you are the magic door. You know,

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Speaker 3: we al sort of think that there's this magic door

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Speaker 3: well open, but people sort of failed to realize that we,

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Speaker 3: each and every one of us, are the magic The

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Speaker 3: magic door is within you. So that that holding the

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Speaker 3: mirror up and sort of looking through all the limitations

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Speaker 3: or you know, just just pushing through that that that

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Speaker 3: that pain of looking yourself closely and pushing through those

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Speaker 3: shortcomings or whatever whatever it is you have to grow through.

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Speaker 3: That's where the magic door is on the other side

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Speaker 3: of that.

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Speaker 1: I love that. Thank you, Chambo. Ye nice.

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Speaker 2: It's a little little fearless bloody potty potty room. I

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Speaker 2: love it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you CAFNE for giving us this cute, little cracking place.

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Speaker 1: And even the artwork on the walls is done by

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Speaker 1: local artists. Yeah, like, these guys are really cool. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: check out the Cafe New Club. It's Yeah, thank you Camo,

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Speaker 1: your amazing Thanks Chambo. That's a wrap on another episode

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Speaker 1: of Fearlessly Failing. As always, thank you to our guests,

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Speaker 1: and let's continue the conversation on Instagram. I'm at Yamo. Lollaberry.

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Speaker 1: This potty my word for podcast is available on all

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