WEBVTT - BONUS: Churi chats with Sam Smith

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<v Speaker 1>Is it just me a podcast by a couple of midges? Mitch,

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<v Speaker 1>you caught up with Sam Smith recently?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I did. This is the I think officially the

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<v Speaker 2>third time we spoke. They were actually my last interview

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<v Speaker 2>face to face pre COVID. Oh really yeah, when they

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<v Speaker 2>were here for Marti Gras, we sat down, had like

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<v Speaker 2>a twenty minute chat, and then I think it blew

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<v Speaker 2>up a couple of weeks even days later.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't that feel like a lifetime ago? But also it

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<v Speaker 1>feels like yesterday that it was Marti Gras.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I know literally? And did how good? That Sam's

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<v Speaker 2>last performance was gay as possible flying around in a

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<v Speaker 2>giant harness and wings and.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, and you tell me that you didn't stuff up that?

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<v Speaker 1>They then pronouns once during this chat.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I am all over it. I was well conscious

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm very careful the whole time. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>if you tread and tiptoe around that stuff, then you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna screw it up. I just went in wanting to

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<v Speaker 2>have a good chat, and that's what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>And the posts that note helped.

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<v Speaker 2>The posted note stuck next to the webcam, you almost

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<v Speaker 2>could see the corner inside the webcam.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think it's good that you even go to

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<v Speaker 1>the effort of having a post that note, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>practice makes perfect totally. It's something that some people struggle with.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what really helped me with the they then

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<v Speaker 1>pronoun thing, because you know how you always hear people say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>they is referring to more than one person. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>make sense to talk about one person.

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<v Speaker 2>Using they there. They're not a group of people exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you know what actually helped me make sense

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<v Speaker 1>of it? Someone gave an example. They were like, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just say you find a lost wallet. You would say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>someone's lost their wallet. Oh have they gone far? I

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<v Speaker 1>hope that they didn't have anything important in here? Oh

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<v Speaker 1>I hope they haven't. You know, they're not stressed to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about one person using they in that context. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, if you don't know their gender, you just

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<v Speaker 1>say that, yeah, there's no specified gender, you just say that.

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<v Speaker 2>Very handy. All right, well I did nail it. Think

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<v Speaker 2>of the lost wallet if you're ever struggling. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>that Sam would be a Gucci wallet too. We wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be around a girl velcro wallet, would they?

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<v Speaker 1>No? Also, I am a big fan of the new album.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, oh Love Goes. It's got very sad. It's quite

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<v Speaker 2>a vibe though maybe I'm fair. Well that's what we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about. I'm like, are you going to go back

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<v Speaker 2>to Path? And they were like nah, like maybe in

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<v Speaker 2>eighty years. It was actually a really really nice, fun,

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<v Speaker 2>laid back conversation. So we'll roll it now, Sam Smith

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<v Speaker 2>and I from this week enjoy still Midnight.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, how were you?

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<v Speaker 2>I am so good. I really am so good. How

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<v Speaker 2>are you? You're glowing looks up a pinch of cheeks

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<v Speaker 2>like your grandma, look at you.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. No, I'm doing really good. Thanks, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>look's as good as we can. I'm doing all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, I was just thinking, the last time you

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<v Speaker 2>were here, and the last time we were face to

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<v Speaker 2>face was for Mardi Gras, and thank Christ, the last

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<v Speaker 2>time you were here it was for the gayest of

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<v Speaker 2>end possible. What a great way to sort of before

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<v Speaker 2>pre COVID life.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, I know, I know, I literally yeah, we literally

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<v Speaker 3>went out with the band. You know, last party I

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<v Speaker 3>went to, I was flying in the air and address.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah we got I got I got my I definitely

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<v Speaker 3>got my field before lockdown.

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<v Speaker 2>That was your silly Queen of the Desert moment. How

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<v Speaker 2>good living your best life? Will we be loved having

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<v Speaker 2>you here? There's so much to talk about quickly. Has

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<v Speaker 2>COVID been for you, because I know in the UK

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<v Speaker 2>it was sort of crazy and then it was sort

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<v Speaker 2>of got good and then now it's sort of going back.

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<v Speaker 2>Is everything all right over there?

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<v Speaker 3>It's okay. I think there's a new normal that's definitely

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<v Speaker 3>set in. I think winter's going to be difficult. There's

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<v Speaker 3>there's a constant, you know, the state of everything at

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<v Speaker 3>the moment. You know, it is really hard. It's hard

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<v Speaker 3>to it to struggle every day. I think, just to

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<v Speaker 3>step up and and and be hopeful. But I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 3>pretty certain we're all going to be okay and we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to get through this. And yeah, it's been. Lockdown

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<v Speaker 3>has been. I haven't lost anyone close to me, so

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<v Speaker 3>I feel really I feel like commenting on it, I

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<v Speaker 3>feel awkward sometimes because I've had a you know, I've

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<v Speaker 3>been resting and I've been at home and working when

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<v Speaker 3>I can. But a lot of people have had a

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<v Speaker 3>really hard time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, agree, it's hard coming from a place of privilege,

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<v Speaker 2>when we I mean, we both are very lucky to

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<v Speaker 2>live the lives that we live. And some people, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll have to go to work and they're face to

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<v Speaker 2>face with the pandemic. So it's hard to comment, like

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<v Speaker 2>you said, but you know, I'm glad you're safe. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>glad you've been creative or you has it sort of

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<v Speaker 2>like put a dampner on your creative process.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, you know what you know. And me, I

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<v Speaker 3>love being sad, so you know, whenever I'm sad. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>So I've been I've been making lots of great music.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Sam Smith has been in isolation for years. This

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<v Speaker 2>is what they do. So let's talk about Let's talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the new record, Love Goes, because it is it

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<v Speaker 2>really is a beautiful, beautiful album, and I think it

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<v Speaker 2>does so many things for you. But I think it

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<v Speaker 2>just shows the world that you are a brilliant songwriter

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<v Speaker 2>and you have such great vocal power. It's just so

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<v Speaker 2>stripped back for you. I mean in parts, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>there is just that pop element which we love from you,

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<v Speaker 2>but it just really goes to show that you at

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<v Speaker 2>your core are such a brilliant artist and you can

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<v Speaker 2>you can just do it all which is incredible, but

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<v Speaker 2>also it makes me want to just go, Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>someone needs to hug Sam Smith, who hurt you?

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for all those compliments. That's really sweet.

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<v Speaker 3>It's true. Oh my god, don't worry. I don't need

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<v Speaker 3>a hug. I'm all right. I hugged myself. I've learned

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<v Speaker 3>how to hug myself. I've got good family and friends.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know what I'm I just I'm I'm someone

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<v Speaker 3>who enjoys the melancholy. I find the realness of life addictive,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. I I'm I'm I find sad emotions or

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<v Speaker 3>vulnerable emotions to be kind of more powerful sometimes than

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<v Speaker 3>happiness in a weird way. And I think I like

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<v Speaker 3>to tap into that. And you know, when I'm really

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<v Speaker 3>happy and full of joy, I'm not normally in the studio,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm actually out enjoying myself probably, but when I'm when

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<v Speaker 3>I'm in the studio, I I I try and tap

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<v Speaker 3>into something that moves me, you know, And normally that

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<v Speaker 3>is someone else's story or mine or whatever. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I feel like, I mean, there clearly is

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<v Speaker 2>a relationship, maybe one, maybe two, I don't know at

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<v Speaker 2>play within this record. Was it a big breakup for

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<v Speaker 2>you I'm imagining or was it a series? Was it

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<v Speaker 2>little things? Or I mean because there are lyrics that

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<v Speaker 2>just make me think this has something to do with

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<v Speaker 2>a someone or I don't know, maybe a big relationship

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<v Speaker 2>or is that what it's about.

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<v Speaker 3>A big relationship? You know. I I've been in relationships

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<v Speaker 3>about my life. They're normally the majority of them been

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<v Speaker 3>unrequited relationships where I've been in love and the other

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<v Speaker 3>person hasn't. This this one was my first ever relationship,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. And I think a first ever relationship for someone,

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<v Speaker 3>for anyone is a big one, but I think especially

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<v Speaker 3>for queer people because we normally have our first relationships

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit later than everyone else. Yeah, not everyone,

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<v Speaker 3>but a lot of us do. I think our first

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<v Speaker 3>relationships as well as like a massive mirror being putting

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<v Speaker 3>our faces for the first time where we really see

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<v Speaker 3>all the all the difficult things we've gone through and

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<v Speaker 3>the things we don't like about ourselves because of the world,

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<v Speaker 3>because of what the world's taught us. So it was

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<v Speaker 3>definitely definitely my first proper heartbreak, you know. And this

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<v Speaker 3>was and it was hard, but I got through it

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<v Speaker 3>through creating a safe space in the studio and singing

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<v Speaker 3>my ass through it. That's basically how I got got

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<v Speaker 3>through it.

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<v Speaker 2>Not singing through my no I was gonna say, Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>that'd be a great single. I loved it. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>wait for the film clip for that one. My god.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like you're just a big old romantic. Are

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<v Speaker 2>you like a love a love letter or a note leaver?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I with my boyfriend? I write little notes every morning.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, have a great day, which is so cheesy,

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<v Speaker 2>But is that? Like? What are you? What's your like

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<v Speaker 2>romantic thing that you do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Is so beautiful? I'm so jealous.

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<v Speaker 2>I can write you know, I can old DM them

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<v Speaker 2>to you won't.

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<v Speaker 3>Be as Please join me? Yeah? Can I?

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be the third twenty twenty we can be.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a massive romantic. I'm China. Also like, sometimes I'm

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<v Speaker 3>too much of a romantic, so I expect way too

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<v Speaker 3>much from people. So I definitely need to like hold

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<v Speaker 3>back on that sometimes. But I'd be a no person.

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<v Speaker 3>Love a flower? Give me a flower and I'll melt.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree. Chocolate works for me to in bed.

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<v Speaker 3>That really would get me? That would really get me?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you a foot massage. Guy, I love a good

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<v Speaker 2>foot message.

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<v Speaker 3>No, don't touch my feet, really no one.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll sing for your ass, but you don't want your

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<v Speaker 2>feet touched. What is going on? Sam Smith? Thank cute?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm delving into into the life of how cute. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a lyric though in one of the in one of

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<v Speaker 2>the songs where you say, I think it's my mom

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<v Speaker 2>says I'm a romantic and you shouldn't be something like that?

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<v Speaker 2>Was that? Was that something growing up that I'm probably

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<v Speaker 2>butchering the lyric, but that you were told like it's

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<v Speaker 2>a romantic, Like, just pull it back a bit, Sammie,

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<v Speaker 2>pull back.

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<v Speaker 3>I think so. I think so. My dad's a romantic.

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<v Speaker 3>My dad is a crazy romantic. Your dad, but you

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<v Speaker 3>know to this day, you know he's just got married

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<v Speaker 3>two years ago. But he's like, he'll meet someone and

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<v Speaker 3>after the first days, I've met the love of my

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<v Speaker 3>life and it's like it's like he's he's in a movie.

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<v Speaker 3>My mom, on the other hand, is a bit more

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<v Speaker 3>of a realist. So you know, I'll go on a

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<v Speaker 3>few dates with someone, I'll be like, no, not my vibe,

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<v Speaker 3>and my Mom's like stick it out, stick it out

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<v Speaker 3>it might be something really good, and I'm like, no,

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<v Speaker 3>but I didn't get goose bumps. So I think I've

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<v Speaker 3>got a good mixture of both.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know you may, but he touched my fate back.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, fate. I got a run out of time.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to talk. Let's talk about kids again, because

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<v Speaker 2>this song, it hits hard. I mean, even after all

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<v Speaker 2>this time, I kind of miss you still. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>everyone has been through that, everyone's felt that. Don't it

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<v Speaker 2>make you sad that will never be kids again? I

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<v Speaker 2>mean that's tough too. What's at the core of this song?

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<v Speaker 2>What is it about?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the chord of the song is about looking

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<v Speaker 3>back at a relationship after you've moved on, and after

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<v Speaker 3>you're feeling good and still looking back. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there's always whenever I look back at any of my relationships,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, even friendships and stuff, there's a pang of

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<v Speaker 3>sadness sometimes because I won't ever be back there again,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and it's kind of it's a mad feeling.

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<v Speaker 3>But also the song for me symbolizes the end of

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<v Speaker 3>this record. You know, it's the last song on the record,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's it's basically I think this is my kind

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<v Speaker 3>of way of leaving pop music a little bit. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I love pop music and I've had such an amazing

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<v Speaker 3>time exploring it. This album. I'm always going to make it,

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<v Speaker 3>for sure, but I'm not going to write with the

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<v Speaker 3>intent of making it, which I did with this album.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's this is for me, It's it's it's the

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<v Speaker 3>song that hands you over to album four, which I'm

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<v Speaker 3>doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>And also you can come back to pop. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>for God's sake, if you want to do pop wlightering life,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll do pop wightering live right.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, well, of course probably I'll get to like seventy

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<v Speaker 3>and then be like, I'm going to bring seventeen.

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<v Speaker 2>I reckon, you'll do it in three years You'll be

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<v Speaker 2>like such I missaid, I'm gonna release Bob May as well. Probably, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we love it. You're coming up to thirty two. How

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<v Speaker 2>do you feel You're anxious coming over to thirty or

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<v Speaker 2>do you feel like ready for this moment in your life?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm yeah, I'm twenty eight, I've got a

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<v Speaker 3>year and yeah, year and a half, and then I'm

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<v Speaker 3>then I'm at thirty. Do you know what I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>gonna lie, I've been a bit like whoa, that's weird,

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<v Speaker 3>Like whoa. It makes me like sometimes I get a

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<v Speaker 3>bit like scared, like have I have I enjoyed my

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<v Speaker 3>twenties enough? Have I enjoyed my twenty too much? But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>all the normal feelings. I'm excited. I think thirty is

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<v Speaker 3>going to be an adventure, you know, and I'm feeling

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<v Speaker 3>so much better in my skin twenties. Your twenties are

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<v Speaker 3>almost like this kind of it's like it's like it's

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<v Speaker 3>like Bambi.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, a giraffe learning like a baby giraffe learning

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<v Speaker 2>how to walk like sort of like wobbly falling over.

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<v Speaker 2>I know what you mean. And especially like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>as quick people, right, it really is hard. I think

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<v Speaker 2>we go through things so much later. I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>came out at twenty three, got my first boyfriend at

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four, and it's a whole new world. Right You've

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<v Speaker 2>got to learn things.

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<v Speaker 3>Speak, Yeah, and you have to. It's like a yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like a crash course in life, isn't it. Your twenties,

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<v Speaker 3>especially as a queer person. You know, it's like headed

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<v Speaker 3>it stick and like ah, but yeah, I'm getting stable now, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Is good good. I'm glad to see it, and I

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<v Speaker 2>can see it in you. I just I love watching

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<v Speaker 2>your journey and you've done so much in the last

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<v Speaker 2>like twelve months alone, I mean, being like a queer,

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<v Speaker 2>non binary performer and probably one of the biggest names

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<v Speaker 2>in the world. Did you feel any sort of hesitation

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<v Speaker 2>making choices or putting music out or speaking openly about

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<v Speaker 2>your sexuality or you know, being a non binary artist.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you feel sort of like, oh, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>think before I speak now, or are you in a

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<v Speaker 2>space of comfort that you're like, you know what, I

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<v Speaker 2>can speak freely about this stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I mean, I think when I changed my pronouns

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<v Speaker 3>and everything, it was the complete opposite to that. I

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<v Speaker 3>think I couldn't hold it in anymore, and I was

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<v Speaker 3>so I felt so kind of silenced by myself and

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<v Speaker 3>about and from a few people around me, felt so

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<v Speaker 3>much shame about things that I needed to just go

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<v Speaker 3>well and let it out and speak about it. And

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<v Speaker 3>I did. Now I feel so good. I feel free

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<v Speaker 3>to say what I want. But I'm also learning now

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<v Speaker 3>to also not give everything away and keep something myself.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's about me being healthy up here, So

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<v Speaker 3>I will share when I feel when my cup is full,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, when more cups going down, then I need

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<v Speaker 3>to hold back and look after myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, thirty is going to be good to you.

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<v Speaker 2>I think thirty is the year that you get into faith.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't want to keep pushing the feet thing, Sam,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just think you need to dabble in and

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<v Speaker 2>some feet fun. You know, it's a whole your world.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, a big toe can be exciting. We love

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<v Speaker 2>you in Australia. I could talk for another hour with you,

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<v Speaker 2>but when when you can get back down here next,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd love to have you. And now that we're officially

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<v Speaker 2>in a throttle, we're going to have to see more

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<v Speaker 2>of each other.

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<v Speaker 3>I think let's go for a drink.

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<v Speaker 2>Yestre. We'll go with Trent. I know Trent really well

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<v Speaker 2>and obviously I know you do, so we'll get drinks

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<v Speaker 2>when Oh sounds like heaven. We love you. We love

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<v Speaker 2>the album and I'm so excited that we have this

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<v Speaker 2>different side to you and it's it's just brilliant. I

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<v Speaker 2>love your work. So congratulations, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. That was a lovely chat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was so much fun and we will We'll

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<v Speaker 2>see you when we can. I'm getting all these messages

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<v Speaker 2>going quick. Sam's very busy, so I'm very sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>So good, don't worry, don't mind. That was a joy all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right talking to me. Thank you guys, see ya much love.

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