1
00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,480
Speaker 1: Joining us seeing the studio right now.

2
00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:05,120
Speaker 2: As the president of the Northern Territory Police Association, Nathan Finn,

3
00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:05,800
Speaker 2: good morning to.

4
00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,119
Speaker 1: You, Good morning Katy, Good morning to listeners now Finny.

5
00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:12,840
Speaker 2: Obviously these social media posts are shared by the Northern

6
00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,120
Speaker 2: Territory Police Minister, Brent Potter. I think to say they're

7
00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,360
Speaker 2: raising eyebrows would be probably an understatement. Plenty of people

8
00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,759
Speaker 2: this morning questioning whether he can remain on in his

9
00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:24,640
Speaker 2: role as the police minister.

10
00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,840
Speaker 1: What is your take on this situation, So.

11
00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,440
Speaker 3: Obviously there's a sentiment and within the police force as well,

12
00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,360
Speaker 3: especially I was only made aware of the obviously the

13
00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,280
Speaker 3: NT Independent article yesterday morning. In the additional article obviously

14
00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,120
Speaker 3: this morning as well. I've spoken to mister Potty yesterday

15
00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,639
Speaker 3: afternoon expressed the sentiment of our media release we've sent

16
00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,560
Speaker 3: out this morning in relation to this. Members contacted us

17
00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,680
Speaker 3: just with a discustment and year right disappointment and sure

18
00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,120
Speaker 3: especially around obviously when he's come out and said late

19
00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,320
Speaker 3: last week when there was information presented at as the

20
00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,639
Speaker 3: Coronial that he didn't accept racism any organization, especially one

21
00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,880
Speaker 3: that serves the front line to the community, and having

22
00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:02,920
Speaker 3: a crack at our guys for comments that were said,

23
00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:07,320
Speaker 3: well and truly back in a day and twenty five

24
00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:08,920
Speaker 3: years ago was one of the comments was made. Then

25
00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,440
Speaker 3: they're investigating. But our members are being subject to this

26
00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,800
Speaker 3: investigation and putting through basically asking why they still should

27
00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,480
Speaker 3: be a police officer for some of the comments that

28
00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,080
Speaker 3: they've said, not on a public forum, in a private.

29
00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,679
Speaker 2: Space, and so they're wondering then why they're facing this

30
00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,039
Speaker 2: kind of scrutiny.

31
00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,720
Speaker 1: When he's not. I suppose you know.

32
00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,600
Speaker 2: The other side of it though, is you know, no

33
00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,840
Speaker 2: matter who it is, racism shouldn't be tolerated, and comments

34
00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,119
Speaker 2: that are derogatory should not be tolerated in any way,

35
00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:36,240
Speaker 2: no matter where you're from.

36
00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,399
Speaker 3: No, especially not. And if a police officer made these

37
00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,039
Speaker 3: comments prior to them joining the police force, and there

38
00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,520
Speaker 3: was an integrity test down in the background, they wouldn't

39
00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:45,399
Speaker 3: even be accepted for them.

40
00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,120
Speaker 2: So do you reckon, I mean, to the police to

41
00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,880
Speaker 2: become a police officer, are you under more scrutiny than

42
00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,840
Speaker 2: what you are to become a politician by the look

43
00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:52,440
Speaker 2: of things.

44
00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:53,840
Speaker 3: Well, the look of things, yes, our members, and that's

45
00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,280
Speaker 3: the biggest frustration of members have got and one of

46
00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:01,120
Speaker 3: the biggest frustration members is just own it, apologize for it. Okay,

47
00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,760
Speaker 3: we all make mistakes, okay, But the fact is, unless

48
00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,920
Speaker 3: you own it, unless you accept that this behavior is

49
00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,600
Speaker 3: not who you are or what you are. This has

50
00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,440
Speaker 3: gone on a long time ago. We understand that. But again,

51
00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,760
Speaker 3: there's some comments in there and there's supporting. It's not

52
00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,040
Speaker 3: just one, it's not two, it's not three, it's not four.

53
00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,079
Speaker 3: There's multiple platforms here that's been used. And his sentiment's

54
00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,720
Speaker 3: obviously clear that he is this way.

55
00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,760
Speaker 2: Finny, you've spoken to minister Potter. Have you spoken to

56
00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:28,480
Speaker 2: him yesterday? Are they spoke to yesterday?

57
00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,840
Speaker 3: I made a number of calls to his office yesterday.

58
00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,880
Speaker 3: He didn't bring me back late yesterday afternoon, and discussed

59
00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,320
Speaker 3: obviously the center of our members, the sentiment that they're

60
00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,040
Speaker 3: being held to a different standard. They're being actually investigated

61
00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,560
Speaker 3: for comments that they made in a private forum compared

62
00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,320
Speaker 3: to stuff that's obviously overt and obviously out there in

63
00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:46,799
Speaker 3: the public public line as well.

64
00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,280
Speaker 2: Those offices should be investigated, though right that situation should

65
00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:51,600
Speaker 2: be investigated.

66
00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,160
Speaker 3: Guaranteed, guaranteed. We've all got roles here.

67
00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:54,560
Speaker 1: But he should be as well.

68
00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,799
Speaker 3: Guaranteed. Yeah, guaranteed, Katie. And that's all we're saying. There's

69
00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,799
Speaker 3: an inconsistent here and the way they've been dealing with

70
00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,040
Speaker 3: it and how they're coming forward in dealing with this matter.

71
00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,720
Speaker 3: I believe this's obviously sent out a statement own it.

72
00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:08,840
Speaker 3: There's no time and members are frustrated.

73
00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,480
Speaker 2: What are officers saying to you within the force upon

74
00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,960
Speaker 2: sort of learning some of this information and learning about

75
00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:15,799
Speaker 2: some of these posts.

76
00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,720
Speaker 3: They're very frustrated. We've got we've got a crisis here

77
00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,079
Speaker 3: in a crime crisis in the Northern Territory in relation

78
00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,160
Speaker 3: to policing. We know police haven't got enough resources, and

79
00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,800
Speaker 3: members are frustrated the point of no possibility. They are

80
00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,200
Speaker 3: frustrated day and day out to do their role and

81
00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,280
Speaker 3: to have this argument keep going on and then keep

82
00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,760
Speaker 3: speculation about what the government's doing. Get on and do

83
00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,840
Speaker 3: your freaking roll. That's all we ask you to do.

84
00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,400
Speaker 3: Actually resourced their police force, Let them do it. Actually

85
00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,600
Speaker 3: we need to do instead, we're told in the scandal,

86
00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,800
Speaker 3: if it's not this week, it's a share one the

87
00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,120
Speaker 3: week before, or another share one the week before that.

88
00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,040
Speaker 2: That's how I feel like, That's how a lot of

89
00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,240
Speaker 2: people are feeling at this point in time right, we're

90
00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,040
Speaker 2: just like we are limping along at the moment. I

91
00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,200
Speaker 2: feel like we're bouncing from one scan to the next scandal.

92
00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,120
Speaker 2: And people just want our politicians to get their bloody

93
00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,560
Speaker 2: jobs done. Like I just want them to step up

94
00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,360
Speaker 2: and do what they are being paid an enormous amount

95
00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,560
Speaker 2: of money to do. Stop mucking around. You know, these

96
00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,600
Speaker 2: kind of posts should not have ever gone up. But

97
00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,239
Speaker 2: make a decision. Is he staying in? Is he going

98
00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,400
Speaker 2: from this role? What's going on? I mean, Finny, do

99
00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:22,520
Speaker 2: you think he can stay on?

100
00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,560
Speaker 3: I don't believe so, Katie and members are quite frustrated

101
00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,640
Speaker 3: with it because it's the double stand that we're seeing,

102
00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,200
Speaker 3: and he obviously come out publicly last week and said,

103
00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,160
Speaker 3: I think we're always in trouble when you hear racism

104
00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,520
Speaker 3: or comments and derogatory because they have no place in

105
00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,479
Speaker 3: this organization or our department. Where he's telling us that

106
00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,520
Speaker 3: hang on, I'll just tell you what to do. And

107
00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,520
Speaker 3: we had a bit of a laugh around yesterday in

108
00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,880
Speaker 3: the office about it. That's the pot it's the potter

109
00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,120
Speaker 3: call and the kettle black. It's unfortunately, it's it's an

110
00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,800
Speaker 3: absolute disgrace for this to be brought into it, and

111
00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,479
Speaker 3: our members are quite rightly frustrated. And I don't accept

112
00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,880
Speaker 3: racism in any organization, especially one that serves our front

113
00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,440
Speaker 3: line of community. Hang on, you serve our frontline community.

114
00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:02,560
Speaker 3: You're actually representative of our organization as well to the Parliament. See,

115
00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,799
Speaker 3: you're reflecting badly on us as well, and our members

116
00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,120
Speaker 3: are quite frankly over it.

117
00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,280
Speaker 2: What happens if he does step down at nine forty

118
00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,400
Speaker 2: five this morning, he's holding this press conference at nine

119
00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,680
Speaker 2: forty five this morning. If he does step down, Finny,

120
00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,000
Speaker 2: who steps into that role? Because the only thing that

121
00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,640
Speaker 2: I can see that's acceptable is that the chief Minister

122
00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,480
Speaker 2: does the chief minister.

123
00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,080
Speaker 3: That'd be great. Even if she spoke to us. Since

124
00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,440
Speaker 3: she's been chief minister, I haven't heard from the Chief Minister.

125
00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,919
Speaker 3: So normally we'd say chief Minister, yep, you deserve the

126
00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,279
Speaker 3: police portfolio. She hasn't even reached out to us, Katie okay.

127
00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,400
Speaker 3: Ever since she's been taken over the role, have not

128
00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,200
Speaker 3: heard from her. All I hear from her is her

129
00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,880
Speaker 3: Minister's going, don't talk to Nathan. This is coming from

130
00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,200
Speaker 3: the cabinet room. You're serious This is what I get.

131
00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,880
Speaker 2: Don't they want why don't they want any ministers to

132
00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,480
Speaker 2: speak to you? You are the Police Association president who

133
00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,000
Speaker 2: represents the police.

134
00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,760
Speaker 3: Correct, because I'm constantly making sure they're held accountable for

135
00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,600
Speaker 3: their decisions, and that the decisions that affect our members

136
00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,839
Speaker 3: and members of this community each and every single day out.

137
00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,280
Speaker 1: There sound pretty wild.

138
00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,560
Speaker 3: Wild because our members get hold of this certain standard

139
00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,440
Speaker 3: where everyone else can just go, yeah, let's just move on,

140
00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,520
Speaker 3: there's nothing to see here, okay. Our members are suffering

141
00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,080
Speaker 3: from this. Our members are, even the ones that aren't

142
00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,440
Speaker 3: even tied up to it. Just the comments that have

143
00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,240
Speaker 3: been made publicly about our membership. Our members have been

144
00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,000
Speaker 3: names have been put out there publicly in relation to

145
00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,559
Speaker 3: what's going on. They've got no say in this either,

146
00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,840
Speaker 3: But the rest of our membership are quite frustrated that

147
00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,200
Speaker 3: they're being poured into the same basket. We're not all

148
00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,320
Speaker 3: like that. There's no systemic racism in the Northern Churchy

149
00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,120
Speaker 3: Police Force. We've said that, okay, but it doesn't affect

150
00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,600
Speaker 3: that affects the rest of our membership that actually go

151
00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,320
Speaker 3: out there and do one hundred and ten percent every

152
00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,960
Speaker 3: single day. That's breaking them to the point where they're

153
00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:48,039
Speaker 3: absolutely spent. We need these guys to support us in

154
00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:49,480
Speaker 3: doing what we do well.

155
00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,840
Speaker 2: We are all waiting to see exactly what happens right

156
00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,640
Speaker 2: in the next five to ten minutes, exactly what the

157
00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:00,320
Speaker 2: Minister for Police, Brent Potter, decides to do before I

158
00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,760
Speaker 2: let you go this morning, though, we spoke to the

159
00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,840
Speaker 2: Northern Territory Police Commissioner, Michael Murphy on the show yesterday.

160
00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,000
Speaker 2: We spoke to him about a raft of these different issues.

161
00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,600
Speaker 2: Not sure if you had the opportunity to hear that interview,

162
00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,960
Speaker 2: and you know, whether you feel as though it is

163
00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,960
Speaker 2: a good like whether you feel as though the Northern

164
00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,160
Speaker 2: Territory Police Force in terms of speaking about the thirty

165
00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,120
Speaker 2: percent those aims to have thirty percent of the police

166
00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:27,000
Speaker 2: force indigenous, and some of those different moves that the

167
00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,040
Speaker 2: Police Commissioner has announced or spoken about yesterday, whether you

168
00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,440
Speaker 2: think their moves in the right direction.

169
00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,160
Speaker 3: I'd love to be able to comment on Katy, but

170
00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,480
Speaker 3: actually we've been taken off the media release information being

171
00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:37,440
Speaker 3: sent out from the agency.

172
00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:37,720
Speaker 2: Again.

173
00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,640
Speaker 3: I've contacted the Agency of Police Force about what they're

174
00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,880
Speaker 3: being sent out. We're not in receipt of this information,

175
00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:44,880
Speaker 3: so The first thing I got was a phone call

176
00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,960
Speaker 3: from one of my executive members last night to saying,

177
00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,640
Speaker 3: have you read this? You know about this? I don't

178
00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,640
Speaker 3: know anything about it, Katie. I do not cannot make

179
00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,760
Speaker 3: comment on it without obviously knowing what's in the actual

180
00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,280
Speaker 3: the correspondent's gone out to our members.

181
00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,720
Speaker 2: So you've been like iced out by the police and

182
00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:01,000
Speaker 2: the and the government.

183
00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:01,760
Speaker 1: What's going on.

184
00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,240
Speaker 3: I'm waiting for the conspiracy theory against me, but no,

185
00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,960
Speaker 3: this often happens. We get left off broadcast, et cetera

186
00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:15,080
Speaker 3: from the agency, depending on who's controlling the mailing network, etc. Well,

187
00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,640
Speaker 3: I didn't receive it. We haven't been receiving it. We've

188
00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,840
Speaker 3: made notifications to the Commission and the Executive about being

189
00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:22,960
Speaker 3: included all the correspondents that goes out to our members,

190
00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:24,600
Speaker 3: so we're actually aware and we can actually represent our

191
00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,840
Speaker 3: members on those topics. But I haven't actually seen that one.

192
00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:28,680
Speaker 3: I was only informed of it last night and sent

193
00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:29,560
Speaker 3: a copy of it last night.

194
00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,840
Speaker 2: All right, So we'll catch up with you another time

195
00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,920
Speaker 2: when you've had the opportunity to have a read through.

196
00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,160
Speaker 3: Yes, Kadie, there's obviously a lot a lot of things

197
00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,800
Speaker 3: I'm reading at the moment. But our main thing is

198
00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,160
Speaker 3: let's just get give this government on track to do

199
00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,679
Speaker 3: what's best for this Northern Territory community and do what's

200
00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,480
Speaker 3: best for our police. So that's all I'm asking. I'm

201
00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,280
Speaker 3: not asking for any favors in relation to special treatment

202
00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,959
Speaker 3: for our police officer. Support us else. Who's going to

203
00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,040
Speaker 3: support you in the long run.

204
00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,640
Speaker 2: Well, Nathan Finn, the Northern Territory Police Association President. I

205
00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,120
Speaker 2: always appreciate your time. Thanks very much for joining me

206
00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:01,600
Speaker 2: this morning.

207
00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,440
Speaker 3: Thank you, Katie. We what depending on what happens this morning,

208
00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:10,640
Speaker 3: we might be talking like tomorrow. Best to luck to

209
00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,680
Speaker 3: all those members out there and will continue to fight

210
00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,200
Speaker 3: for what you believe in and what respect we deserve

211
00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:17,080
Speaker 3: as police officers.

212
00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,360
Speaker 1: Finny, thank you, thanks so much for your time this morning.

213
00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:19,680
Speaker 3: Thank you,