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Speaker 1: as part of their new Employment white Paper. So if

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Speaker 1: this legislation passes, it's going to allow pensioners to keep

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Speaker 2: At the same time, the nil.

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Speaker 1: Rate period is going to be doubled from six to

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Speaker 1: twelve fortnights, meaning any income support recipients, including those on

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Speaker 1: joining us in the studio to hopefully explain it a

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Speaker 1: little bit more simply is Sue Shearer, who is indeed

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Speaker 1: the CEO of Counsel of the Aging here in the territory.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Sue.

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Speaker 3: Good morning.

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Speaker 4: This is much nicer than from two o'clock in the

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Speaker 4: morning from Scottland.

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Speaker 2: Did you just get that? That's right?

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Speaker 1: I was going to say yes, that was very interesting,

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Speaker 3: So how could I resist you.

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Speaker 1: How can I say no, exactly, no, we appreciate you

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Speaker 4: We waited a long time for these changes and they

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Speaker 4: a good start because, as I said in our discussion earlier,

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Speaker 4: their allocated amount I think it was like five thousand dollars,

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Speaker 3: Tight budget, like most people are at the.

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Speaker 4: And we do have to change a lot of the agism.

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Speaker 1: So do you reckon that it is going to entice

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Speaker 3: I think it will be more on a casual basis.

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Speaker 1: So from your understanding, if this does, if this legislation

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Speaker 1: Like we really have to do better in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: And we've even been contacted by people that are in

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Speaker 3: Anyway, that was fixed.

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Speaker 3: But it's just were you in a previous life. We

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Speaker 4: It's really really quite old, and now you know there's

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Speaker 2: Now it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: People are pleased to see some of those notoriously bad

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Speaker 2: But that stock's got to be replaced.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, guess what, We're trying to redevelop where we are

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Speaker 4: But we have to do a rezoning and that in

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Speaker 4: But with the housing short it's just that you're able.

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Speaker 2: To get something caught that up and running.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've got a shortage of housing for seniors,

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Speaker 1: you would think that there'd be some urgency on that

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Speaker 1: their bloody well should be some urgency on that.

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Speaker 4: We agree, and it's just can you see the dent

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Speaker 2: Wall before I let you go?

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Speaker 1: Freda's called through and she wants to ask if Darwin

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Speaker 1: is that only for Lichfield or Palmerston scene is that

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Speaker 4: information sessions and activities like our yoga and pilates and taichi,

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Speaker 4: they're open to everybody. You might have to pay more

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Speaker 4: if you're not a member, like I think it's seven

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Speaker 4: say that Gazales unless it's.

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Speaker 2: We'll see what we can find out. We'll have a

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Speaker 2: look on.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure if you talk to Matt, yeah, he's fantastic,

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Speaker 4: is a big supporter of COVID, but that that could

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Speaker 1: See what we can find out. We'll see what we

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Speaker 1: can find out. But Freda is a she's a regular

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Speaker 1: throughout cyclone Tracy and yeah, she's been here for a

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Speaker 1: long time, So we'll see what we can find out.

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Speaker 2: Sue Shearer. It is always lovely to catch up with you.

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Speaker 1: We always end up with people messaging new questions whenever

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Speaker 1: you're in So.

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Speaker 3: Create my work for you. Not at all love you

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Speaker 3: to talk to care

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Speaker 2: Yeah you too, Thanks Sue