WEBVTT - It's the Trevor Long takeover!! 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.240 I love that you've literally just walked in, and you've 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:04.480 walked in and a wing. 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:10.320 That's how I walk in the room. 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:11.240 Where have you been? 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:13.880 What have you been doing? By the way, Paul's on zoom, 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:16.119 we can't say why. I've been told I'm not allowed to. 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:18.200 Yeah, well not until after the court case. 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:23.640 Yeah, and there's an interlockery agreement involved. 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:24.840 Yeah, Trevor. 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:27.440 Trevor Long is here. You're only here because you need 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:29.520 a place to stay. 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:32.159 Who sponsors this show? How are you affording me? 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:36.440 There's no Sponsorgo we should start making up fake sponsors 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:37.040 for this show. 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:38.959 I don't think you should given you too. 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:41.360 Maybe it'll be something for like blue shoe or some 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:42.760 sort of stiffy cream. 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:46.280 I don't know what you say. 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:49.360 Can you read this live read for cholesterol Medication? 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:52.720 I'll do a live read for the Man Shake? 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:56.080 Yeah, the Man Shake. Actually, you know what, what's that 0:00:56.200 --> 0:01:01.400 brand that sponsors everything? The dot com? The Ball Clippers, 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:05.880 the Man Skates. You wouldn't be great with Man. 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:09.800 Skates' lifestyle website. They've never reached out. What does that 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:12.080 tell you about they're design to be involved with me? 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:14.200 They would just be like that. Those Clippers would just 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:15.759 get caught in his shoulders somewhere. 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:17.960 They're like, we're worried he'll actually take his shirt off 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:19.959 and show people what it's like. 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:21.479 Yeah, we will just stick with. 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:23.400 Getting buff guys to shave themselves. 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.039 Thanks, That's why they keep coming to me. 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:30.000 I swear like any raiser knew your body would just 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:36.120 look like it was burning down the Amazon. Come on, mate, 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:38.400 what's wrong? What's wrong with you? 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:41.240 I was actually just going to grow a beard. 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:44.199 Yeah, I'm desperately trying. 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:45.760 You'll hit puberty soon, Paul. 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:50.080 I'm desperately trying. Yeah, I hope one day to look 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:51.040 like Gordy. 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:54.559 Jesus Christ, don't hope that any years ago. 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:55.320 I found it. 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:59.320 I found an old photo of myself the other day 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:03.720 with a beard, and it's just really yeah, it's oh god, 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:06.080 it's all kinds of no, I look like I'm from 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:06.960 Paul's country. 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:11.840 So I in the late nineties into the early two 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.560 thousands didn't just so now I just just call this 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:16.640 stubble right, and this is long at the moment, but 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:19.840 it was full, like not crazy beard man stuff, But 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:23.080 it just looked unkept like I didn't care because I 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:26.840 didn't you been my passport photo at the time was horrible. 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:28.720 You would have looked like a homeless terrorist. 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:31.640 Yes, that's where I was going with it. It was 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:33.440 really the kind of thing that you really didn't want 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:34.440 to present at an airport. 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:34.880 Yeah. 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:38.079 So, yeah, I got a new passport, but. 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:40.520 You enjoyed the cavity search. It works out now. 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.600 And then you got to get some action. I married 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:45.040 a long time, you know, sometimes you got to find 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:48.160 a he is this on? 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:48.519 Yeah? 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:50.840 Yeah, yeah, I've never listened to I don't know how 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:52.120 you start the show or anything. 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:54.480 I do love how you rocked up in your snappy 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:55.560 little coopra. 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:58.359 Still, how was how was that going through? 0:02:58.600 --> 0:02:59.519 Best thing I've ever done? 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:00.840 Really? 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:04.000 Yeah? Yeah, so so in love with it. You do 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:06.240 look cute in that Thank you mate. Yeah, it's funny. 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:09.000 And I've always been a hatchback guy always. And then 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.120 so I went to the one of the launches because 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:13.600 it was one of those events, Paul, where there was 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:17.640 a you know, drive days with the Murtoring journals, and 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:21.440 then there was a fancy lifestyle thing influences. Yeah, I 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:23.640 feel like there was some people I knew there, but anyway, 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:26.600 and it was a pr person I'd never met before, 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:28.360 so I just took the invite. It was the I 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:30.760 wanted to go, so I'm like, yeah, sure cool, and 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:33.840 drove the car and instantly in my video, like ten 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:35.720 minute video. I wasn't even there for more than two hours. 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:39.080 I just went on buying this car, right, and then 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:40.920 I broke an embargo because I wasn't told there was 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:42.960 an embargo, because they didn't think that anyone at that 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:45.520 event would actually write a review. So I'm just like, 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:47.480 I got home and wrote the review and you know, 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:49.280 no drummers. And then someone reads me and goes, you know, 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:51.280 it would be great if you just held off on that. 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:54.320 I went why, and they go, because everyone else is 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:58.160 holding off, And I went, well, why didn't you tell me? Mate? 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:04.000 They panicked, panicked because I'm not shut up, Oh my god, 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:07.440 panic because no, they panic because people like Paul would 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:10.640 have lost their shit that a bunch of bunch of 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:12.920 them are holding off on an embargo and all these 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:16.760 annoying influences are now posting and I'm out here putting 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:20.719 a reviewer, so look me with them very early, because. 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:23.359 With all your respect, I don't think little Pablo is 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:26.720 going to be threatened by your little review which was 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:28.839 probably written on the bonnet of your car with a 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:30.520 crayon and some butcher's paper. 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:31.880 Listen, and we're. 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:32.520 Spoken about it. 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:36.040 We've spoken about other people in this industry, for whom 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:38.760 you know, Paul Malman have worked with before. Trust me, 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:39.760 they care. 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:43.960 You know, you're absolutely spot on, Trevor. And the frustrating 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:46.599 thing for me is I'd actually much prefer that system 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:48.599 where you just get home and you just get it 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:51.600 over and done with. But we have this ridiculous thing 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:54.520 that if someone breaks an embargo by ten seconds, it 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.000 is the end of the world. And to me, I 0:04:57.080 --> 0:05:00.160 just I really just think it's it's so stupid. I 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:01.760 would just prefer to do it your way. 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:03.800 And for me it was hilarious because initially it was 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:05.440 just can you just take the word review out? Because 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:08.440 it wasn't really detailed. It was just impressions more than anything. 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:10.440 But could just take the word review out? And then 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.920 a couple of hours later it was like, actually, could 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:15.359 you delete it? 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:16.320 There's so much. 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:19.680 At that point, I'm like, yeah, I want to buy 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:21.560 the car, so I'm hoping to sweet talk them here. 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:23.320 So I took it down and everything didn't do me 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:25.520 any favors on the car just quietly, so I shouldn't 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:29.000 left it up. But anyway, so my first car was 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:33.200 a say It Ibeitha and Paul that that's the reason 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:36.719 I bought this car because Cooper is basically the brother 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:38.880 or the sister or the love child of say It. 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.560 And for me, this is just my world coming back, 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:44.200 and so it's fucking perfect. My wife calls it a 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:45.640 middle life crisis. I don't care. 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:47.400 So it's like you're a virgin all over it. 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:52.359 Yeah yeah, yeah, nerdy little virgin all over again. Love it. 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:55.880 You know, it's funny true if they have we had 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.640 the chance of two of the Cooper factory in Spain, 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:03.000 and is it's a bit like the Czech Republic where 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.520 everyone just drives a Scota. In Spain they're all driving 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:11.920 Sayats and yeah, it's just crazy. And it actually it's 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.280 an interesting brand because we're say It is a bit 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:17.560 sort of a bit more sort of conventional Volkswagen like 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:23.039 Coopra is like totally the opposite. It's it's sort of young, adventurous. 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:26.200 The styling is really out there, and it's funny. The 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:29.680 Spanish just just kind of do their own thing, which 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.400 is just hilarious within the Volkswagen group, which is just 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:34.240 typically German exactly. 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:36.000 I think it's great though, Like we saw some of 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:38.440 the stuff coming out of the Munich motor Shower that 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.560 trip you just did. It looked great, right, Like they. 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:43.800 Pushed the boundaries of the concept cars and then the 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:45.359 real cars, Paul. They don't look that. 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:48.040 Far off, Yeah, exactly. If you look at the Taviscan, 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:51.600 which is their suv electric car that's coming, the concept 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:55.640 looks virtually identical to the production car. And I think 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:58.279 that they've just given Coopra all of that leeway to 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:00.760 do kind of whatever they want. And it's great because 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:03.080 you have all the Volkswagen underpinnings, so you know that 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:05.760 it's been engineered correctly, and they've just been given a 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:08.360 bit of latitude when it comes to design and sort 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:09.480 of making it look really cool. 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:12.360 Yeah. And look, the thing is, I've always I've wanted 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:16.360 an electric car for years. I just couldn't buy Tesla. 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:18.520 There's fucking many of them on the road right now. 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:22.040 It is just so Camri like, isn't it. It is 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:24.640 hard to not look at it and just go I 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:26.440 just don't feel you don't you want to be unique 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:26.880 in your car. 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:27.920 Well, it's funny. 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:30.880 I I think at the moment with the EV landscape, 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:33.240 there really isn't that much to choose from, and you're 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:36.000 right like Tesla are everywhere. I think the new ones 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.960 look really cool, but pick of the bunch in terms 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.280 of uniqueness is definitely Coopra. 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:44.680 Actually I don't actually think they look cool at all. 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:47.600 I just think that they're all. They're available in what 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:51.600 like five colors, and every cheap person gets a white one, 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:54.520 and then everyone who wants to look cool gets a 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:56.360 red one or a blue one, and then the rest 0:07:56.360 --> 0:08:00.280 are just these pedestrian colors in between. I just that 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:02.520 they have completely lost their appeal. 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:04.160 This is coming from a guy who's going to wipe. 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:09.760 Let me ask you this, what's your view when you 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:15.000 own a car? What's your view on a small update aesthetically? So, 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.640 for example, if I just bought a Model three, I 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:20.880 would be out of my mind with the fear of 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:23.760 that new look coming to Australia any month, any year, 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:25.840 any whenever the hell it's going to be, because you're 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:29.040 going to feel so old in the in the bubbly 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:29.800 little thing you've got. 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:33.200 Now, well, you know what I messaged trevoron threads about 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:36.760 this exact same thing. My dad. I literally told him 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:40.080 there is a Model three coming. He just ignored me, 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:44.120 ordered it, and then he got his car delivered, and 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:48.240 like literally four days later they released the update, and 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:50.480 I said to him, Dad, are you like, do you 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:52.439 even do you not listen to me? 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:53.920 Do you know what I do? Dad? 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.880 Does he know what you do? 0:08:57.800 --> 0:08:58.880 Do you think you're into crypto? 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:00.000 Yeah? 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:03.240 Yeah, exactly. That's the thing. People will just get whatever 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:05.480 they want, and in this instance, he was getting it 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.160 for the tax benefits, so he wanted it sooner rather 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:12.760 than later. But ultimately with Tesla's the problem I have 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:16.640 is that updates just appear randomly for no reason. And 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:18.640 while the software updates and stuff are great, they are 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:21.880 very much becoming a legacy car company now by doing 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:27.120 visual updates, changing prices, doing discounts to clear stock. It 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:29.800 is just another car company now that is dressed up 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:31.760 as a big tech player, which. 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.040 Is credit to them, though let's be real, that's credit 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:35.840 to them for getting to that point and for having 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:38.280 the volume that we are looking at them as if they're, 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:42.000 you know, a camera on the road. It's just I'm 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:45.520 still flabbergasted by how well they sell given the price 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:48.280 people are paying. And I just I think in one 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.440 of our other conversations, I talked about how it frustrates 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:52.480 me that people buy a toy at a Corolla without 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:55.319 driving a Key or a Hindo. Right, they just buy 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:58.040 it because it's the trust in this brand. 0:09:57.520 --> 0:09:59.200 There's a brand loyalty there. 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:02.760 But people buying Tesla's because I actually don't know why. 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:04.600 Is it because they think it's the only way to 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:06.720 get an electric car that's got a charging network? Is 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:08.680 it because they think it's the most innovative car on 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:12.040 the market. Did they drive a pole Star or anything 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:14.760 else like that? I just don't think they are. I 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:17.560 don't think people are driving other cars to find out 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.439 whether or not it has the appeal. 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:22.840 Well, here's one thing I think that stands out with Tesla, right, 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.120 is literally the charging stations alone. 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:30.280 Yeah. I don't disagree at all, but I think that 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:35.400 if you absolutely analyze ninety percent of ev owners, most 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:38.360 of them don't need to go anywhere near a public charger. 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:41.160 Bloke in the in the office behind mine brought a 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:43.560 Model three and a couple of years ago, and I 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:45.040 said to him once time as I passed my mate. 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:46.520 I've got a charger at the front of the office 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:47.719 if you ever want to use it against mate. I've 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:49.800 never been anywhere but at home, just plugged into the 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:53.240 wall because I don't need to and I i've. 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:54.200 Had it, doesn't have friends. 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:57.360 Yeah, probably are you charging your current home? Yeah? 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:00.400 I installed a wall box at home, and even even 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:03.960 with a normal power point, I would never have run 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:06.000 out of time or anything at this point because I've 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:09.000 never driven so far that in a day in Sydney 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:10.680 that I needed to. And I took a road trip 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:13.439 to my mum's a couple of weekends ago, stopped at 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:16.000 Scone in the interim charger, stopped at Tamworth and the 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:18.720 Tesla charge, and then drove all the way home without charging. 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.240 Like that's the only time I'll use a public charger 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:23.839 is when I do a road trip. And road trips 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:27.960 are covered by the networks. It's really just the demand 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:30.920 that's going to kill the road trip. And I made Paul, 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:34.679 you'd be amazed. I drove on a long weekend in 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:37.320 school holidays and there was no one at the interim 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:40.600 a charger in Scone and who was They're fine working 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:42.760 and there was only one person at the four Tesla 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:45.960 bays in Tamworth on a public holiday long weekend. So 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:47.959 I told the kids, we're gonna have to wait. We 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.040 might have to que YadA yaddija was it was an 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:50.920 absolute breeze. 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:53.680 It's ironic because you've prepared for it. It's the other 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:57.800 time there would be people there is bloody AI. But 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:01.839 to your point, Gordy, the test chargers, I think it's 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:03.960 actually a bit of advertising because a lot of people 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.480 will have gone to a shopping center and seen Tesla 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:08.440 charges and in the back of their mind they think 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:12.119 Tesla is the only electric car brand. The charges everywhere 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:17.160 and thing that's happening at the moment in Europe, and 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:21.200 literally every CEO had little running notes whenever they had 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:23.360 media come up to them, they had to talk about 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:27.240 the influx of Chinese vehicles in Europe. They are absolutely 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:30.199 decimating the local car market there when it comes to pricing, 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.280 and Europe is about to come out and slap some 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:36.600 tariffs on China for their cheap electric vehicles, and BYDS 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:40.040 is within a whisker of overtaking Tesla as the biggest 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:43.640 full electric car manufacturer globally. I think the same will 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:46.320 happen in Australia. While t Tesla has a great run 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:50.199 at the moment, ultimately the pricing is still higher than 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:53.360 what you would pay for a Chinese domestic market vehicle, 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.640 and I reckon we'll see the Chinese take even more 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:58.840 of a leap in the electric car market in Australia 0:12:58.840 --> 0:12:59.319 pretty soon. 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:02.319 So they should. Really, there's a lot of good competition 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:05.240 out there. The Corpora is doing great stuff. I think 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:08.520 by d Famously is a fantastic. 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:13.760 What I miss there nothing I've forgotten about the drama 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:15.040 that started all this bullshit. 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:17.240 That's funny. Do you think of what happened? 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.040 There? 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:22.400 Are a fantastic product, and I will I will not 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:23.880 hear anybody looking forward to the Seal. 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:25.079 I am looking forward to the. 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:30.280 Seal, the the Dolphin, the Porpoise, the Mermaids or the 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:34.200 whatever the John West addition. 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.560 What do you think all of the Dolphin Sports Edition, 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:37.720 whatever the hell they're going to call that? 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:40.160 Look, I think the names are a bit silly. I 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:43.200 don't think they really migrate all that well to English, 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:45.800 but I think their cars look the Dolphin, I think 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.280 just looks a bit curious. We've got one in the 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:49.880 office at the moment. But I think the rest of 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:52.360 them look great. And I saw the what is it 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:53.280 the seal you. 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:55.880 The the SUV version looks great. 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:57.439 Yeah, I saw that at the motor Show and I 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.640 thought that looked That looked fantastic. So I reckon look 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:03.360 that they're going to price these really sharply, and BID 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:06.360 has got their their act together in Australia. They're teamed 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.920 up with Eagers, who has this enormous dealership network in Australia, 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.600 and I think they are really going to kick a 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:14.280 massive goal in the next sort of year or so. 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:16.959 It does feel like they had a plan and they 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:18.599 realized there was a better plan, do you know what 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.680 I mean? Like whol Kmart tyront Auto my car it's 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:23.400 called now you know, it was a great idea in 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:27.560 principle on paper, but it actually would have not served 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:29.160 them well if they were selling in this volume they're 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:30.800 getting now. So the Eagers think the only thing that 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:35.240 got them going. I just wonder whether I wonder whether 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:38.160 they're pricing too much based on the market and not 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:42.040 based on what the cars are worth exactly. They're pricing 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:44.880 against MG, and MG's pricing against them when and I 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.080 think a Dolphin, what are they thirty nine eight or 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:49.160 something like that. I think Dolphin should be a thirty 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:51.840 two thirty three thousand dollars car. And if they were, 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:55.880 my god, it would be it would be a massive, 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:59.560 massive market. But I just feel like they're with obvious, 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.000 you know, smarts, they're taking advantage of the fact that 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:05.040 they can charge that much. But I'll go back to 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:08.800 charging for a minute. I charged my car for I've 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.200 got the numbers, but twenty minutes at the Tesla Tesla 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:14.320 station eighty something sends per killer what hour they're charging. 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:18.760 That's honestly, that is that, you know. I often when Paul, 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:19.320 I don't know what you say. 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.120 When people say how much does it cost to charge only, 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:22.680 I always say it's about the third of the cost of 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:26.640 a petrol car. If you were to use a Tesla 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:30.360 charging network in a public way, in a non Tesla, 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:32.240 you would it would not be one third. I didn't 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.160 even think it'd be half. I think it would be 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:37.560 at best two thirds of the cost. Because it is enormous, 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:40.280 and I worry that people are going to build themselves 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.640 into a world where they think that the long term 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:44.960 cost because everyone all these car companies. They say, oh, 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.040 but the you know, the car is expensive up front, 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:49.400 but the four year cost the life of the car is. 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:49.880 This and that. 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:52.240 That's what Tesla say. When you buy the car, actually 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:53.880 put it in writing. I will actually put it how 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:55.000 much they expect you do that. 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:56.920 With a BYD and you assume that you're going to 0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:00.680 charge at other places. You're at the behest of Evy 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:04.200 charge Fox and Tesla not putting their prices up like 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:05.400 petrol stations do. 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:06.120 Well. 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:10.400 I mean it actually can be non financially viable to 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.800 do electric cars in a public charging way. You've got 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:17.080 to have your shit sorted at home, and preferably you've 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:18.560 got to be in the world of solo. I'm not 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:21.880 there yet, but I'm close. I drove my car down 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:24.720 to three percent battery and then charge it to one hundred, 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:26.600 just purely so I could get a calculation off the 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:28.680 wall boxes to how much it would be twenty one 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.280 dollars it cost me at home to charge. And I'm like, 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:33.520 there you go, that's one. That's awesome. 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:34.160 I tell you one thing. 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:36.520 Though my parents are looking at getting a Tesla. They 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:41.080 have an underground car park. I am praying for thermal runaway. 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:41.480 Come on. 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:44.640 As soon as that happens, I can finally get a 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:47.720 house in Sydney. It'll be just the best thing in 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:48.240 the world. 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:53.160 It is actually though, withithstanding your little concern for your parents, 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:57.360 it's actually a major issue. Yeah, Like government and other 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:01.160 developers are looking at not allowing them of charges in 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:04.879 underground car parks and that's a huge issue for the 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.520 government take up of evs because they have some vehicles 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.639 that can't be parked in open spaces because of the 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:13.600 gear and stuff on board or whatever. Mate, that's a 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:15.600 that's a big problem. I want to I don't know 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:16.720 that it is a big problem yet. 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:18.359 I was going to bring this up when when John 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:20.440 kddogan comes in as well, because he's like, he's got 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:20.960 quite a. 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:24.840 Bit, hasn't He found the niche on YouTube, which is 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:28.200 people fucking hate EV's and will listen to you talk 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.720 about that. I've watched more of his videos in the 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:36.040 last two months than ever because his research, his way 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:39.840 to articulate it, and his passion for the thing is brilliant. 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:41.800 And it's like, mate, he's just gone, these things are 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:43.560 getting such good views. 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:45.359 Yeah, I'm going to keep going with that That's a 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:47.720 good thing about John though, like whether you agree or disagree, 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:49.800 Like he's got a well thought out argument. 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:52.360 But yeah, like Paul's got. 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:58.119 You're pretty much responsible for putting charges in your apartment building, 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:00.720