1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: As we know, with the government committing these additional two 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: hundred police officers over the next four years, on top 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: of the commitment of fifty two for the Territory Safety Division, 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: and on top of attrition from what they've said, a 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: lot of people are sort of going, all right, well, 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: are we going to see more arrests made? Are we 7 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: going to see more charges? Are we potentially going to 8 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: see more people put in jail locked up in jail? 9 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: And we know that territory prisons are already well, they're 10 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: already very, very full. The watch houses are being used 11 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: to how's overflow as well, and it does raise that 12 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: question as to where they're all going to go when 13 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: more people are potentially locked up. Now joining me on 14 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: the line is the Northern Territory Corrections Commissioner Matthew Varley. 15 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: Good morning to your commissioner. 16 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 2: Good morning Katie. 17 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: Now, first off, Commissioner, are you able to talk us 18 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: through the latest numbers in our prisons? 19 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 3: How are things going at the moment? 20 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: Look, Katie, we are continuing to be under pressure. We've 21 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 2: spoken about that before and that's not changed. Is are 22 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: working pretty hard every single day, or very hard in fact, 23 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: every single day to manage the pressures we're under. But 24 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: we've still got more than two thy two hundred and 25 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: thirty odd prisoners in custody today and our prisons are 26 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 2: operating at their maximum capacities. We've still got prisoners in 27 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: watch houses around Darwin and in our springs and we're 28 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: managing that operational flow of prisoners across all our network 29 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 2: as best we can. But there's no doubt under presure, Katie, 30 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 2: and it's a tough time for our staff. 31 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: So in terms of the watch houses, how many have 32 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: you got in both Alice and Darwin right now? 33 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 2: Yeh. In Darwin hasn't changed. You might remember we've got 34 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: the forty in the Darwin watchhouse at the city and 35 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: we have the Peter McCaulay Small Specialist Watchhouse we have 36 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 2: fourteen in there. But today in our Springs I think 37 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 2: we've got about thirty two in the watchhouse this morning, 38 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: which we're managing and we do that in cooperation with police. 39 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: Now, in terms of your numbers staff wise, like have 40 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: you got enough to be able to and what seems 41 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: like an ever growing prison population. 42 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 2: Look, we are stretched, Katie, and I need to be 43 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 2: pretty plain about that, and I've been frank about it 44 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: for a while and look, in fairness, we've been recruiting 45 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: hard over the last eighteen to twenty months, as you know, 46 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: and we've spoken about that before. We've got about six 47 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty odd custodial offices across the Northern Territory 48 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: and more than oneenty twenty staff in corrections as of 49 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: you know this month we have grown significantly in NTCS. 50 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: We've got more staff than ever before, but we've also 51 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: got more prison capacity issues than ever before. One of 52 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: the best parts of my job though, Katie, and one 53 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 2: of the reasons I wanted to talk to you today 54 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: as well is to highlight the fact that we are 55 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: swearing in new offices. Yesterday and today. We've had new 56 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: correctional offices sworn in in our springs yesterday afternoon. There 57 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: was fifteen that I had the pleasure of meeting and 58 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: swearing in yesterday, and we've got another sixteen in dah 59 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 2: And this morning to the great graduation for them. Yeah, 60 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 2: good news. And we add that to the list of 61 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: seventeen lateral experienced officers that we recruited and swore in 62 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: in our springs only a fortnight ago, and that you 63 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 2: know that's fifty new officers that have hit our books 64 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 2: in the last month. 65 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: Look, that is good news. And you know, like you've said, 66 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: there is the system is stretched. I think that everybody 67 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,679 Speaker 1: understands that it's stretched. I guess you know what we're 68 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: all sort of sort of starting to realize. So I 69 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: suppose is that you know, as we see the increasing 70 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: crime on the streets, we obviously have the need for 71 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: more additional police officers out there managing things on the streets. 72 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: But I guess that discussion is also starting to turn 73 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: now as well to making sure that we've got capacity, 74 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: making sure we've got staff, and making sure we have 75 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: got what is required then in corrections as well as 76 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: those numbers grow, if they grow. 77 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 2: Of course, and that's our job, that's my job, and 78 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: I talked to government regularly about that, as you would 79 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 2: expect and your listeners would expect. We've put our submissions 80 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 2: forward as every department does for budget cycle. This year, 81 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: As I said, we've got more corrections officers than ever before, 82 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 2: but we still need to grow further. And I've made 83 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: that case to government this year, and I'm sure they're listening, 84 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: and I'm sure announcedence will come in due course. But 85 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 2: our job is to grow the prison capacity. You know, 86 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: you're right, More police equals more arrests equals more people 87 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 2: before the court, and we're at the tail end of 88 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: that system. So we have to plan for the future. 89 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: That's why we've added in, you know, more than two 90 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty beds to our existing network in the 91 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 2: last year alone, and I've got plans for more to 92 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 2: come where We've got construction underway in our springs with 93 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: those modular facilities. I went down there yesterday and I 94 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 2: looked at those. We expect all of those to be 95 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: online by midyear. And you know, Katie, there's concrete trucks 96 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 2: there yesterday pouring the foundation and the modulars are on site. 97 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 2: So we are planning and we are growing. You know, 98 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 2: It's not something you can turn on overnight, of course, 99 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 2: but I'm pretty confident that our officers are rising to 100 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 2: the challenge. And you know, as I said, they work 101 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 2: hard every day under some pretty tough circumstances. My job 102 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: is to make sure we're putting those bids to government 103 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 2: for the support we need. 104 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: Commissioner, are you able to tell us how many prisoners 105 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: are on remand at the moment. I know that's something 106 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: that you and I spoke about last time, and it's 107 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: also something that the union had discussed with us. 108 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can, Katie, And look, that's it's about forty 109 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: four percent of our population. So you know, we have 110 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 2: about nine hundred and fifty plus people on remand across 111 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 2: the territory at the moment. That's a significant pressure on 112 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 2: our jails and to be quite frank with you, that 113 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 2: is the major contributor to our growth over the last 114 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: eighteen months or so. So you can you can sort 115 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 2: of look at the statistics from about early twenty twenty two, 116 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: I would say, and you know, you can see the 117 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 2: lines trend upwards from there. I think, as we've spoken 118 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,119 Speaker 2: about in the past, other jurisdictions have seen that too. 119 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: And at the core of it is assault, aggravated assault, 120 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 2: domestic violence and alcohol related violence. 121 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, again that is something that we 122 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: speak to the police about as well. It's something that 123 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: I guess that is quite commonly known around the territory. 124 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: But I mean, forty four percent of the population being 125 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: on remanded again, it just sort of makes you think 126 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: bigger picture resourcing wise, like right across the board, not 127 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: only for corrections, not only for the police, but how 128 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: do we make sure that you know that people are 129 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: actually getting seen through the courts more quickly or why 130 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: is it being delayed? And look, that may not be 131 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 1: a question for you. I'm not one hundred percent sure, 132 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 1: but it does just sort of make you think bigger picture, 133 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: how do we kind of how do we sort this 134 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: issue out? 135 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: Well, I guess the whole criminal justice system is connected, Katie, 136 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 2: and you've just spoken about that. Our job is to 137 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 2: make sure we support the courts and we support police. 138 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 2: We do that every day. I was only speaking yesterday 139 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 2: to Acting Deputy Commissioner Dole. In Police. We talk regular 140 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: about the pressures we're all juggling and how we work together. 141 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 2: I do the same thing with the DPP and with 142 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 2: the Chief Judge. But there is no doubt the criminal 143 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: justice system across the NT is in a tricky spot 144 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,239 Speaker 2: at the moment. The fact that we have nine hundred 145 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 2: and fifty people on ROMAN tells you that you know, 146 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: the justice system is working hard and as that stretch point. 147 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 2: But at the same time, we've got obligations those nine 148 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty people to get access to lawyers and 149 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 2: we get them to court every day. We do more 150 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: than you know, fifty to eighty video conferences into court 151 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 2: every day across the nt our officers make sure they 152 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: can support the wills of justices they turn. So, you know, 153 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: as I think I've said to you before, Katie, often 154 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: people talk about the beds in the prison, but it's 155 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: a much more complex system than just you know, housing 156 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 2: people overnight. It's an entire operation and our office is 157 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: do a great job. And I guess that's the thing 158 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 2: I wanted to say to you today though, is even 159 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 2: though we are under pressure and there's a lot of 160 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,679 Speaker 2: bad news, you know, the fact that we've had fifty 161 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 2: officers join our books in the last month shows you 162 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 2: that there's a great career to be had in corrections. 163 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 2: I want people to join our ranks. You know, we're 164 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: still recruiting hard this year. We're growing further. You know, 165 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: there's an opportunity for people to make a difference in 166 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: correction to their community and to step up to that challenge. 167 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: And that's really what I want to hear people to 168 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: hear from me, is that there's an opportunity here to 169 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 2: come and join our team and make a Difference Commission. 170 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 3: Where are most people being recruited from? 171 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: Are they local or are you getting them from interstate overseas, Katie. 172 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: We're getting them from everywhere we can. But we've got 173 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 2: about half the people I swore in yesterday in Alice Springs, 174 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 2: where Alice Springs residents who changed careers. You know, we've 175 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 2: got people who come from construction and hospitality trades or 176 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: even you know, youth services education. We also have people 177 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 2: from around Australia and in particular recently we've had a 178 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: lot of people join us from New Zealand, both at 179 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: the trainee officer level and our experience lateral officer level. 180 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 2: We've been recently recruiting a experienced officers in New Zealand 181 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 2: and you know we're poaching them from there. I've probably 182 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 2: not made too many friends in New Zealand Corrections, but 183 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: all fair. But you know, anyone around Australia who wants 184 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 2: to come and work in the Northern Territory Correction system, 185 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: they're welcome. And you know we're growing. We're growing fast 186 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 2: and our careers website is there for people to take 187 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 2: a look at. It's a well paid job and there's 188 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 2: a lot of opportunity. 189 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: Now in terms of those modulars, and I know you 190 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: touched on this just a moment ago for Alice Springs, 191 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: but there is modulars for Darwin as well, isn't there. 192 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 2: Well, no, they're different. We have expanded different precincts across Darwin, 193 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 2: but we are in the process of designing a new 194 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 2: expansion to one of our sectors at the front of Darwin, 195 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: and that is it's a different type of modular accommodation, 196 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 2: different type of system build and we're working through that 197 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 2: with the architects and the project company at the moment. 198 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 3: All right, So it's still a little while off by 199 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 3: the sounds of it. 200 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 2: Well, those works are still being planned for later this 201 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 2: year and I expect that will happen. You know, you'll 202 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 2: see that construction come online later in the year. But 203 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 2: you know, as I said to you before, we've been 204 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 2: looking at all of the different expansion opportunities for us. 205 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 2: We've got beds into Alice Springs, we're putting beds into Darwin, 206 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 2: and I'm looking at all of the other options that 207 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 2: are available to me. 208 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 3: As well, Commissioner. 209 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 1: Before I let you go, I know the Union had 210 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: raised some concerns a couple of weeks ago about officers 211 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: that are still in training being deployed. 212 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 3: Is what they had said, is that happening. 213 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 2: No, I wanted to be very clear about that, Katie. 214 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 2: Those officers that we swore in and deployed had they 215 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 2: were experienced lateral offices from New Zealand and interstate. So 216 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 2: they do a rapid conversion course. It's three weeks in 217 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 2: the classroom and then it's three weeks shadowing in the 218 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 2: center to learn our local procedures. They'd completed that classroom 219 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 2: work and they had completed one week shadowing. We made 220 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 2: the decision urgently to redirect them into the watchhouse, but 221 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 2: we did so knowing that they've already undertaken many years 222 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 2: of service in another jurisdiction, and so. 223 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: You're confident that they are entering the workforce well trained 224 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: and well equipped to do their jobs. 225 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 2: Well. Of course, they're well trained and their experience. These 226 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 2: people are recruited specifically for that experience, and they all 227 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 2: have their qualifications from their home state. We obviously give 228 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 2: them local procedures training and they convert to our qualifications. 229 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 2: But I would point out too that we've also made 230 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 2: the commitment to those staff that they will be able 231 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 2: to rotate, and they've already started doing this back into 232 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 2: other duties in the main jail as well and continue 233 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 2: that exposure, so they're part of our team. We had 234 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 2: to adapt that shadowing period we call it, and we 235 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 2: had to do that out of necessity, but I'm very 236 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: confident that they more than have the skills to do 237 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 2: the job and we're very proud of them. 238 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: Well NT corrections, Commissioner Matthew Varley, we really appreciate your 239 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,599 Speaker 1: time this morning. Thank you very much for having a 240 00:11:58,720 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: chat with us. 241 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 2: All of it. Cady th thank you.