WEBVTT - Iran's president has died - what now?

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<v Speaker 1>Already and this this is the DAILYA.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the Daily os.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, now it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 4>Good morning and welcome to the Daily Odds. It's Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 4>the twenty first of May.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Zara, I'm Sam.

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<v Speaker 4>Yesterday morning, we heard that a helicopter carrying Iran's president

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<v Speaker 4>and foreign minister had crashed.

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<v Speaker 3>By the middle of the day our time.

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<v Speaker 4>The wreckage of the helicopter had been found, with state

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<v Speaker 4>media confirming that there were no survivors from the crash.

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<v Speaker 2>Breaking news out of Iran or state media has now

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<v Speaker 2>confirmed the death of President Ibrahim Raisi and the country's

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<v Speaker 2>foreign minister after a deadly helicopter crash.

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<v Speaker 4>Iran state media has confirmed the deaths of Presidents Abrahim

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<v Speaker 4>Raisi and his foreign minister in the helicopter crash. In

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<v Speaker 4>today's Deep Dive, we're going to discuss what we know

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<v Speaker 4>so far about the helicopter crash, the leaders who were

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<v Speaker 4>on the helice, and what exactly happens next in Iran.

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<v Speaker 4>Before we get there, though, Sam, what's making headlines.

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<v Speaker 1>University of Melbourne student protesters have been urged to vacate

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<v Speaker 1>a pro Palestinian encampment or risk expulsion. The university has

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<v Speaker 1>also threatened to get Victoria police involved if students do

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<v Speaker 1>not cooperate with its demands. Students at the encampment in

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<v Speaker 1>the university's Arts West building received a notice from the

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<v Speaker 1>University of Melbourne to vacate the area last week. The

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<v Speaker 1>university has threatened students with not being allowed to re enroll,

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<v Speaker 1>attend classes, city exams, and access university facilities.

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<v Speaker 4>Australian authorities say they've been unable to send flights to

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<v Speaker 4>evacuate citizens from New Caledonia, where a state of emergency

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<v Speaker 4>has been declared. Violent protests broke out after changes to

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<v Speaker 4>local voting rules in the French territory were proposed. P

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<v Speaker 4>M Anthony Albernezi called the situation deeply concerning and that

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<v Speaker 4>the situation on the ground was preventing flights from coming

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<v Speaker 4>and going. The Prime Minister said he's working with French

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<v Speaker 4>authorities to send evacuation flights to the region.

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<v Speaker 1>Australian Federal police have charged a man who allegedly tried

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<v Speaker 1>to open a plane door mid flight. Flight attendants were

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<v Speaker 1>able to restrain the Canadian man after he tried to

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<v Speaker 1>open the emergency exit door two hours into an international service.

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<v Speaker 1>He's facing up to five thousand dollars in fines and

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<v Speaker 1>could be sentenced to jail time.

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<v Speaker 4>And today's good news, a ninety year old man has

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<v Speaker 4>flown to space, sixty years after he became the first

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<v Speaker 4>black person to be trained as an astronaut in the US.

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<v Speaker 4>Ed Dwight made history in nineteen sixty one after being

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<v Speaker 4>selected for training by then US President JFK, but he

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<v Speaker 4>never had the opportunity to go to space. In twenty

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<v Speaker 4>twenty four, he finally made it with a private mission

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<v Speaker 4>of six people.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Zara, this is a really big story. There's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be far reaching implications. It's pretty hard to tell

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what the implications are going to be right now.

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<v Speaker 1>So why don't we start with what exactly we do know,

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<v Speaker 1>which is what happened. It's obviously changing hour by hour,

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<v Speaker 1>But keeping all of that in mind, tell me what

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<v Speaker 1>we know about this helicopter crash.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so Iranian President Ibrahim Raisi and Foreign Minister Hassein

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<v Speaker 4>Amir Abda Lakhyan were traveling from neighboring Azerbaijan after the

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<v Speaker 4>opening ceremony of a new dam on both of the

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<v Speaker 4>country's borders. Now, state media reports differ on where exactly

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<v Speaker 4>the helicopter did go down, but the majority of reports

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<v Speaker 4>suggests that it went down on the slope of a

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<v Speaker 4>steep mountain peak near the city of Varsigan. So when

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<v Speaker 4>we woke up on Monday morning in Australia, we knew

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<v Speaker 4>that the helicopter had crashed, but there was no information

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<v Speaker 4>on what had happened to the passengers that were on board.

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<v Speaker 4>The crash triggered an immediate search and rescue effort, and

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<v Speaker 4>there were multiple countries who were involved in this rescue effort.

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<v Speaker 4>We know for sure that Russia and Turkey both were

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<v Speaker 4>and they were offering resources and personnel to help locate

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<v Speaker 4>the missing helicopter. We know that it was especially difficult

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<v Speaker 4>for these rescue missions because of heavy fog, and also,

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<v Speaker 4>as I said, we believe that the helicopter went down

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<v Speaker 4>on a mountain range, so that kind of mountainous terrain

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<v Speaker 4>made it incredibly difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>You can even tell from the photographs how dense that fogg.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, exactly, So for over twelve hours, rescue teams couldn't

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<v Speaker 4>find anything at all, any trace.

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<v Speaker 3>Of this helicopter or the people who were on it.

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<v Speaker 4>Then on Monday afternoon, our time, Turkish drones showed heat

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<v Speaker 4>maps believed to be the wreckage of the missing helicopter.

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<v Speaker 4>It was then that the rescue teams alerted Iranian state

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<v Speaker 4>media to the discovery.

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<v Speaker 3>At that point, the head of Iran's Red Crescent.

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<v Speaker 4>Society, who was at the site of the crash, said

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<v Speaker 4>to State TV that quote, the situation was very bad.

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<v Speaker 3>And the news was not good.

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<v Speaker 4>Within hours, Iranian authorities had confirmed that both Rayisi and

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<v Speaker 4>Amer Abda Lahian were dead.

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<v Speaker 1>He walk me through that timeline. It strikes me just

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<v Speaker 1>how remarkable it is that there's this twelve hour window

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<v Speaker 1>where they.

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<v Speaker 3>Could It was a really long time.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean from when we woke up, we already knew

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<v Speaker 4>it had been missing for hours, and it then took

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<v Speaker 4>almost half a day then.

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<v Speaker 1>But these are two of the most high profile political

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<v Speaker 1>figures in the whole country. The fact that they were

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<v Speaker 1>lost for twelve hours after their helicopter crashed is remarkable

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<v Speaker 1>and not unsurprisingly, this has been leading the news across

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<v Speaker 1>the world for the last twenty four hours. So for

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<v Speaker 1>people not familiar with Iran's leadership system, can you give

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<v Speaker 1>me a sense of who exactly the two men who

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<v Speaker 1>died in the crash were Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So let me quickly get into how Iran's system of

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<v Speaker 4>governance works. So, Iran is ruled by what's called a

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<v Speaker 4>supreme leader. That is Ayatola ale Khomeni. He's eighty five

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<v Speaker 4>years old and he's been in power since nineteen eighty nine. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>the Ayatola has oversight over most aspects of Iranian life

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<v Speaker 4>and decision making. There's not really a comparison that I

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<v Speaker 4>can think of in Western nations, but he is this

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<v Speaker 4>kind of all bearing supreme leader.

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<v Speaker 3>The buck stops with him.

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<v Speaker 4>But second to the Ayatollah is the president, who is

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<v Speaker 4>the top elected official in Iran. Now, a president in

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<v Speaker 4>Iran is like a president elsewhere, responsible for day to

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<v Speaker 4>day government operations and for appointing ministers. So onto this

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<v Speaker 4>specific president, as I said, his name was Ibrahim Raisi.

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<v Speaker 4>He was elected as the president of Iran in twenty

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<v Speaker 4>twenty one. Before his presidency, he was the head of

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<v Speaker 4>Iran's court system, so he was the highest legal authority

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<v Speaker 4>in the country's judiciary. Now, in terms of taking a

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<v Speaker 4>bird's eye view of him, human rights scripts have linked

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<v Speaker 4>him to wide scale killings of the regime's opponents. And

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<v Speaker 4>to give you a sense of his background following the

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<v Speaker 4>Iran Iraq War in the eighties race he was on

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<v Speaker 4>a sentencing panel that ordered the executions of as many

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<v Speaker 4>as five thousand political prison That was according to Amnesty International. Interestingly,

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<v Speaker 4>President Rasi was recently made a member of the council to.

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<v Speaker 3>Decide who will succeed the Ayatola in his death.

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<v Speaker 4>As I said, he's in his late eighties and he

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<v Speaker 4>I'm referring there to Raisi was considered a pretty strong candidate.

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<v Speaker 4>So that is President Raysi and the other person who

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<v Speaker 4>we know was on board the plane was Iran's foreign minister,

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<v Speaker 4>saying Amir Abdallahian now.

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<v Speaker 1>Spoken about him on the podcast, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>We would have mentioned his name a bit over the

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<v Speaker 4>last few months because he's been quoted in the context

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<v Speaker 4>of these escalating tensions between Israel and Iran, and we'll

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<v Speaker 4>get to that in a bit. But he has been

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<v Speaker 4>the country's foreign minister since twenty twenty one, so again,

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<v Speaker 4>a really really significant figure in Iran's political system.

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<v Speaker 1>So I have two major leaders of any country died

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<v Speaker 1>in a single accident, there would be some serious questions

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<v Speaker 1>around you know, what happens next to the political systems

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<v Speaker 1>in that country, let alone a country like Iran who

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<v Speaker 1>is in the middle of some very serious global tensions.

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<v Speaker 1>What will happen next here?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean on a kind of very logistical level, the

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<v Speaker 4>vice president, Mohammed Makhba is expected to take over from

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<v Speaker 4>Raci as interim president, and then Iran's constitution requires a

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<v Speaker 4>presidential election to be held within fifty days. So before

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<v Speaker 4>the men were confirmed dead, the Ayatola said that the

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<v Speaker 4>administration of the country will not be disrupted. But as

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<v Speaker 4>you said, this is a really complex time in Iran's history.

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<v Speaker 4>There's kind of these dual complexities, so thinking internationally, as

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<v Speaker 4>I said earlier, this incident has come in the context

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<v Speaker 4>of huge unrest in the Middle East, with Iran playing

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<v Speaker 4>a fairly major role in the conflict between Israel and Kamas.

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<v Speaker 4>We've seen Iran and Israel directly strike one another for

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<v Speaker 4>the first time in history. We've never seen tensions escalate

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<v Speaker 4>that dramatically before. And then we've also got Iran supporting proxies,

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<v Speaker 4>so again that's financially supporting equipping other groups in other

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<v Speaker 4>countries on their behalf. So Iran is very involved in

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<v Speaker 4>this war. And again Amid these kind of rising tensions.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a very complex time for Iran in the

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<v Speaker 4>kind of geopolitical context of the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that regional significance really gives us a

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<v Speaker 1>sense of why everyone around the world from a government

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<v Speaker 1>point of view, was really invested in what happens here.

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<v Speaker 1>But then there's a whole nother narrative around the people

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<v Speaker 1>of Iran, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I mean this is always the way that

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<v Speaker 4>there is obviously a kind of foreign reality and then

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<v Speaker 4>a domestic reality. And internally there has been great unrest

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<v Speaker 4>in Iran too. There have been ongoing protests against Iran's

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<v Speaker 4>religious leadership that's been mostly led by young women in

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<v Speaker 4>the wake of the twenty twenty two death of Masar Amini.

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<v Speaker 4>And I believe we've probably spoken about this before, but

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<v Speaker 4>these protests erupted in Iran after Amini died following her

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<v Speaker 4>arrest by the Regimes Morality Police, and they're the people

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<v Speaker 4>who enforce these strict cultural laws, including a law requiring

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<v Speaker 4>women to cover their hair.

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<v Speaker 3>Protesters have used the.

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<v Speaker 4>Slogan woman Life Freedom, and these protesters were demanding an

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<v Speaker 4>end to the restrictive laws and they wanted to overthrow

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<v Speaker 4>the government, and while the intensity of those protests has

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<v Speaker 4>died down a bit, the message still remains clear that

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<v Speaker 4>there is great civil unrest and that there is this

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<v Speaker 4>kind of movement being led by young women domestically in

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<v Speaker 4>Iran against the country's religious leadership. Now, according to AP,

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<v Speaker 4>the security crackdown that's followed those protests has resulted in

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<v Speaker 4>more than five hundred people being killed and twenty two

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<v Speaker 4>thousand people being detained. And so it's amid that context

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<v Speaker 4>that we saw in the hours after news first broke

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<v Speaker 4>of the helicopter crash, this footage on social media that

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<v Speaker 4>showed some Iranian people taking to the streets to celebrate.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, at that point they didn't know what had happened,

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<v Speaker 4>but there were these really significant celebrations, people filming themselves

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<v Speaker 4>out on the streets or in their home celebrating what

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<v Speaker 4>they believe to be the death of fairly significant leaders

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<v Speaker 4>in Iran. I should add, though, that absolutely wasn't everyone,

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<v Speaker 4>and there were some Iranians who followed the Ayatolla's commands

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<v Speaker 4>to pray for the president, and so we saw people

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<v Speaker 4>gathering at mosques there to carry out that prayer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you have a very complex global and domestic situation.

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<v Speaker 1>That domestic situation is really interesting. There's also a whole

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<v Speaker 1>nother economic angle to all of this. I mean, Iran

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<v Speaker 1>has been the center of sanctions for a while now

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<v Speaker 1>from a lot of the countries in the West, and

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<v Speaker 1>those countries will be looking to see what the succession

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<v Speaker 1>of power looks like in reevaluating that relationship or keeping

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<v Speaker 1>it the same. What we do know is that we

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<v Speaker 1>still have a lot of questions around what happens next

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<v Speaker 1>and what exactly has happened here. Will bring everybody an

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<v Speaker 1>update on this story when we learn a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 1>For now, though, that gives us a sense of where

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<v Speaker 1>things stand. Thanks so much for joining us on the

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