1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: Bunjelung Kalkotin woman from Gadighl country. The Daily oz acknowledges 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,159 Speaker 1: Straight Island and nations. We pay our respects to the 6 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present. 7 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's Monday, 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 2: the seventh of August. I'm Sam Kazlowski. 9 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 3: I'm Zara Saidler. 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 2: Last week we brought you our interview with the Minister 11 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 2: for Youth, doctor Ann Ali. Now our editor Billy fitz 12 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 2: Simons has interviewed the minister's political opponent from the Coalition. 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 4: It's a common sentiment that Peter Duddan in particular is 14 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 4: not popular with young people. Do you have full faith 15 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 4: that he is the right leader to attract young voters 16 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 4: at the next election. 17 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 5: I understand that he his persona looking from the outside 18 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 5: looking in, might be one of the hard me He's 19 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 5: had to be the hard man when we were in 20 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 5: government as the Home Affairs Minister, sending those people off 21 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 5: Shaw back to whichever country as they came from. 22 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 2: We're going to bring you that interview with Shadow Minister 23 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 2: Angie Bell in the Deep Dive, but first the headlines. 24 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 2: Shane Grumgold, the act's top prosecutor, has resigned in the 25 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 2: wake of a report into how he conducted himself during 26 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 2: the trial of Bruce Lherman. Drumgold, who has been on 27 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 2: leave since May, said in the statement yesterday, although I 28 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 2: accept my conduct was less than perfect, my decisions were 29 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: all made in good faith under intense and sometimes crippling pressure, 30 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: conducted within increasingly unmanageable workloads. 31 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: China has scrapped its trade penalty on Australian Bali tariff 32 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 3: has been in place since twenty twenty and caused significant 33 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 3: losses to Australian trade. The Australian and Chinese governments agreed 34 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 3: on a framework to resolve the dispute earlier this year. 35 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 2: Ye Pakistan's former Prime Minister Imran Khan has been sentenced 36 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 2: to three years in prison over corruption allegations. Khan has 37 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 2: called for nationwide protests in the wake of his sentencing, 38 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: telling supporters in a pre recorded video, I have only 39 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: one appeal. Don't sit at home silently. 40 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 3: And the good news meninjakockle Be vaccines will be free 41 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 3: for children under two and adolescents in Queensland from next year. 42 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 3: The vaccine will be part of a routine childcare and 43 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 3: school immunization program. Queensland has recorded double the number of 44 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 3: meninjakockle Bee cases this year than it had at the 45 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 3: same time in twenty twenty two. 46 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: So have you missed last week's chat with the Minister 47 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: for Youth, doctor ann Ali there's a link for you. 48 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 2: In today's show Notes, tda's editor Billy Fitzimon said she 49 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 2: thought it was about time that we spoke to her. 50 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 4: I think it's something that we actually should have done 51 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 4: a long time ago, so what better time than the present. 52 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 2: We thought it only fair to reach out to the 53 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 2: Shadow Minister for Youth and Belle. So here's Billy's chat 54 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 2: with her right now. 55 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 4: Angie Belle, thank you so much for speaking to the 56 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 4: Daily Os. 57 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 5: It's my pleasure to be with you. Billy. 58 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 4: You're the Shadow Youth Minister. Can you explain what that 59 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 4: means and what you do in that role? 60 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 5: Well, that means that I am the direct opposite of 61 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 5: the Minister of ann Alie and and I actually quite 62 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 5: quite good friends because we knew each other in the 63 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 5: last parliament. But my role is to shadow what she 64 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 5: is doing, and that is check on what it is 65 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 5: that she's doing in her portfolio, but also come up 66 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 5: with the policy positions of the coalition for the next 67 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 5: general election. 68 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 4: So your role is, as you say, to check how 69 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 4: she's going. What's your report card? How do you think 70 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 4: she's going? 71 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 5: That's oh, well, that's a bit of a tricky question, 72 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 5: but I'm happy to respond. You know, she's been busy 73 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 5: putting together some committees for young people and flying them 74 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 5: to Canberra to talk to those people. 75 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 4: So do you think she's going well so far. 76 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 5: Look, I think she's done a few sort of top 77 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 5: line things like delivering an Office for Youth. I'm not 78 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 5: sure what that office does exactly, but I think anywhere 79 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 5: there can be at the spotlight on young people and 80 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 5: that the government is listening and that the opposition is listening. 81 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 5: I think that's a good thing. 82 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 4: And so in your eyes, as the shadow Youth Minister, 83 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 4: what is the biggest issue facing young people today? 84 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 5: Well, that's an interesting question that you asked that according 85 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,119 Speaker 5: to the Mission Australia Youth survey. Over the last couple 86 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 5: of years, it's changed a little bit and in years 87 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 5: gone by, the first top issue for young people was 88 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 5: mainly climate change and we've seen that change over especially 89 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 5: over the last twelve months to include mental health, but 90 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 5: also costs of living is a really big concern and 91 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 5: young people really can't afford to pay their rent and 92 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 5: so housing security is also really important. 93 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 4: Now, the Coalition was in power for a decade prior 94 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 4: to the election last year and in its last three 95 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 4: years of government, So in its last home, what was 96 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 4: the coalition's biggest achievement for young people in the country. 97 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 5: Oh, goodness man, Well, I think putting young people in 98 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 5: to jobs. We had a very low use unemployment rate 99 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 5: at that time, which we've seen increase under the Labor government. 100 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 5: You know, there's no better way to support young people 101 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 5: than through financial measures because that is what puts the 102 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 5: pressure on and so the role of government really is 103 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 5: to make sure that you keep costs of living pressures 104 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 5: off young Australians and that means making sure that inflation 105 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 5: stays low. To give you an example of inflation at 106 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 5: the moment or just above six percent. But under the 107 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 5: Coalition government, over the last decade it was at two 108 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 5: percent and that's a big difference. That's a big difference. 109 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 4: Inflation is a worldwide issue, though it's not something specific 110 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 4: to Australia at the moment. Sure you said before that 111 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 4: there's no better way to support young people than with 112 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 4: financial measures. A big issue for young people is the 113 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 4: increase in hexstat. It went up by the highest in 114 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 4: decades this year. What is the coalition's position on HEX 115 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 4: and does the way it is indexed need to be changed? 116 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 5: Well, that indexation, which is also known as CI the 117 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 5: Consumer Price Index, is applied to HEX at any given 118 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 5: point in time. This year, just gone seven point one 119 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 5: percent was applied to the indexation or HEX and that 120 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 5: affected three million Australians. So it comes back to the 121 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 5: same argument that I made in the last point, which 122 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 5: was the best way to help young people with their 123 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 5: debts with HEX now called help, is that when you 124 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 5: keep inflation low across the whole economy, because inflation is 125 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 5: like white ants, it chews through the wood of your savings. 126 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 4: I just want to focus on the indexation of HEX. 127 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 4: So does the trulition think that the way it is 128 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 4: index needs to be changed. 129 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 5: Well, it's either indexed or it's not indexed, and so 130 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 5: at the moment it's always been indexed, which means it's 131 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 5: tied to the Consumer Price Index, which is that. 132 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 4: It could be tied to different things like wages, which, 133 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 4: as you said before, they're not growing at the same 134 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 4: rate as inflation. So you could change the way it's 135 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 4: index to wages instead to the CPI. 136 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 5: Currently it is indexed, and that's how it always been. 137 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 5: You'd have to look at what the untended consequences of 138 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 5: such a policy would be and what ramification that would have, 139 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 5: because remember that inflation goes up and down and wages 140 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 5: go up and down as well, and so is that 141 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 5: a better way. I don't have the answer for you there, Billy. 142 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 4: Let's move on. I want to look at lowering the 143 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 4: voting age. My understanding is that the opposition is against 144 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 4: lowering the voting age to sixteen. Why is that? 145 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 5: Well, I heard you ask Minister ann Ali about this 146 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 5: question as well, and I think that she was right 147 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 5: that there are very many ways that young people can 148 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 5: enter the political debate, whether that's joining a political party 149 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 5: and having a voice that way, or whether it's joining 150 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 5: a youth parliament. In the States and territories across the nation. 151 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 5: There are many ways to have a political voice, and 152 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 5: I think that's that's the best way young people can 153 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 5: be heard who are under the voting age at the moment. 154 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 4: Well, I guess i'll see to you what I said 155 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 4: to doctor ann Ali, which is that you know, of 156 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 4: course there are other ways to be politically active, but 157 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 4: just sacifically, I want to focus on lowering the voting age. 158 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 4: Wighs the opposition against that, Well. 159 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 5: The opposition hasn't made that position that we're against that necessarily. 160 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 5: I am for supporting young people to have their political views, 161 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 5: and there are very many other ways, like joining a 162 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 5: youth parliament or putting your views online, and I think 163 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 5: that's the way you can do that if you're under eighteen. 164 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 4: Let's look at climate change. There are examples around the 165 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 4: world of young people sewing governments for approving coal manes because, 166 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 4: as I said to Annali, they believe it neglects their 167 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 4: right to a healthy environment. What's your thoughts on that. 168 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 5: Well, I think there's no doubt that climate change is 169 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 5: real and it's a concern for everyone across the world, 170 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 5: and no more than young people. That climate is so very, 171 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 5: very important. And as I outlined before, when you're in 172 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 5: the cost of living crisis and you can't pay your 173 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 5: bills and you can't feed your children and you can't 174 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 5: you can't come up with your rent and you're becoming homeless, 175 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 5: it becomes a priority. And so I think whilst climate 176 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 5: change is a big priority for young people, so is 177 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 5: cost of living, and so is mental health and so 178 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 5: but is it well no, both of course, sure, sure, 179 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 5: I mean they are within the top five of what 180 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 5: young people are concerned about. But in terms of climate 181 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 5: policy and energy policy, which are inextricably linked, what we've 182 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 5: seen is energy bills go through the roof and we 183 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 5: have people from all states and territories who are unable 184 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 5: to pay their electricity bills, and so we have to 185 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 5: have sensible debate around our energy policy because it's extricably 186 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 5: linked to climate policy. 187 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 4: It's going to be really clear though. Do you think 188 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 4: it should be the job for politicians to consider future 189 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 4: generations when they're making decisions about the environment. 190 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 5: Well, of course we should always consider future generations. I'm 191 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 5: also the shadow Minister for Early child Education and so 192 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 5: of course we should be thinking of the future of 193 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 5: our nation. We're always thinking about the future of our nation. 194 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 5: Our children and our young people are our biggest asset 195 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 5: as a country, and so of course absolutely. 196 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 4: We've spoken about the fact that I interviewed the Youth 197 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 4: Minister and Ali last week and it's interesting speaking to 198 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 4: you now because your answers about hex and lowering the 199 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 4: voting age and climate change they're quite similar. So what's 200 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 4: the difference between you two. 201 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 5: That's a really good question. I think the biggest difference 202 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 5: between the two of us is our core values, and 203 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 5: that is that in the Liberal Party, we believe that 204 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 5: you should be an individual who has own your own thoughts, 205 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 5: your own freedom of speech, your own individuality, and you 206 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 5: should be able to keep more of what you earn. 207 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 5: You should be able to have the same opportunity as 208 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 5: anybody else in the country. And I think that that 209 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 5: is really the difference, is the equality of opportunity. And 210 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 5: those in the Labor Party believe in equality of our 211 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 5: which means that you get the same result for everybody. 212 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 5: And so I think if you work hard, you should 213 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 5: be able to keep more of what you earn, and 214 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 5: you should be able to reinvest that in yourself and 215 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 5: your business and your family and your community, and that's 216 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 5: why I'm a liberal. 217 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 4: I just lastly want to look at the liberal parties 218 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 4: appeal to young voters. There's quite a bit of evidence 219 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 4: that the Coalition has a problem attracting young voters. In 220 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 4: your eyes, why is that? 221 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 5: Well? I think the Coalition has a really good trek 222 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 5: record of policies for young people, including as I said, 223 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 5: we have promised that we will reinstate those twenty mental 224 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 5: health sessions, which I think is so important for young people, 225 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 5: and that's what young people are telling me as well. 226 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 5: I think that's really important. I think also a policy 227 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 5: moving forward about allowing those who are unemployed with those 228 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 5: who are job seeking to earn more before their job 229 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 5: seeker payment is taken away. I think that's a really 230 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 5: really good policy for young people who would like to 231 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 5: get ahead. 232 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 4: And just looking at the last election, young people voting 233 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 4: for the Coalition was quite low. Why is that well? 234 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 5: Look, I think historically young people tend not to vote 235 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 5: for the Coalition. Historically that's been the case until they 236 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 5: are in a position where they have perhaps a more 237 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 5: higher paid job, or a higher paid job where they 238 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 5: have to pay tax, and then they realize that they 239 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 5: would like to keep more of what they am. But 240 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 5: I think there are very many young people, in fact, 241 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 5: thousands of young people in the young Liberal movement across 242 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 5: Australia who are part of the Liberal Party because they 243 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 5: do believe in those values that I talked about just lastly. 244 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 4: It's a common sentiment that Peter Duddon in particular is 245 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 4: not popular with young people. Do you have full faith 246 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 4: that he is the right leader to attract young voters 247 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 4: at the next election. 248 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 5: Well, I've known Peter Dutton for ten years and I 249 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 5: understand that his persona looking from the outside looking in, 250 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 5: might be one of the hard man. He's had to 251 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,719 Speaker 5: be the hard man when we were in GUV as 252 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 5: the Home Affairs Minister. Sending those people off shore back 253 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 5: to whichever country they came from when they weren't Australian citizens, 254 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 5: Sending them back to their nations when they broke the 255 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 5: law is a difficult thing to do. It's hard, and 256 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 5: so there's this sort of outward I suppose image of 257 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 5: him is the hard man, but I can assure you 258 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 5: that the work that he's done to protect women and 259 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 5: children is outstanding, and so I can assure you that 260 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 5: he is very passionate about Australia, and he's very passionate 261 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 5: about Australians. He's actually a warm hearted man with a 262 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 5: very good sense of humor. He really is a genuine 263 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 5: man with the best intentions for our country and when 264 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 5: you get to know him, you really do get to 265 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 5: like him. 266 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 4: Being passionate about Australia and being popular with Australians though, 267 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 4: is two very different things. So do you have full 268 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 4: faith that he could be popular with young people by 269 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 4: the next election. 270 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 5: Well, I think the biggest challenge is probably getting young 271 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 5: people to meet him, because I could tell you when 272 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 5: he's in the Young Liberal movement. He is revered across 273 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 5: the Young Liberal movement, particularly in Queensland, which of course 274 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 5: is his home state, so no surprises there, but they 275 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 5: understand that he has all those attributes that I've talked about. 276 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 5: He really is the best man for the job and 277 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 5: he would make a tremendous Prime minister. 278 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 4: Andie Bell, thank you so much for joining the Daily Odds. 279 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 4: We really appreciate it. 280 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, Billy, thanks for joining us on 281 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 2: the Daily Odds today. 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