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Speaker 2: Good ay, and welcome to the Daily Good morning, and

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Speaker 2: welcome to the Daily os. It's Thursday, the sixth of April.

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Speaker 2: I'm Sam, I'm Zara. Donald Trump has officially become the

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Speaker 2: first current or former president to face criminal charges. He

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Speaker 2: hush money payments as election expenses. Virtually everybody that has

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Speaker 2: So what happens next and what does this all mean

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Speaker 2: for Trump's twenty twenty four presidential campaign. We'll let you

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Speaker 2: know in the deep dive. But first hourrah the headlines.

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Speaker 3: There was big news yesterday with the Liberal party announcing

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Speaker 2: RBA Governor Philip Lowe said the decision to pause the

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Speaker 3: The man who kidnapped Cleo Smith in Regional Wa in

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Speaker 2: And today's good news, Michelle Lee has become the first

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Speaker 3: We spoke about the indictment a couple of weeks ago

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Speaker 2: So the former president's been charged with thirty four counts

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Speaker 2: Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, who was leading this investigation

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Speaker 4: That is, a scheme to buy and suppress negative information

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Speaker 2: And all of this Zara makes Donald Trump the first

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Speaker 4: That is exactly what this case is about. Thirty four

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Speaker 3: So what does it actually mean now that he's been charged?

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Speaker 2: So the last time you and I chatted on the

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Speaker 2: So after appearing in court, he was released on bail.

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Speaker 2: And I never thought anything like this.

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Speaker 3: So, if we're to recap the story so far, we

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Speaker 2: Well, we have to wait a bit for this next

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Speaker 3: So every single news channel we were all watching the

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Speaker 3: same thing. I can't imagine what it's like in the US.

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Speaker 3: All eyes are on him, hears all the attention in

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Speaker 2: It's in some ways the campaign launched that he really

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Speaker 2: It's a high risk strategy, but it is paying off.

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Speaker 2: Senior advisor the Trump Jason Miller, tweeted yesterday that the

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Speaker 2: Trump campaign has raised ten million dollars since his indictment,

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us on the dhlias today. This is

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Speaker 3: the last episode from us till next Tuesday. We're going

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Speaker 3: to take some days off over Easter. Hopefully you're getting

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Speaker 3: some time off too. If you want something to listen to,

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Speaker 3: why not scroll back to some TDA episodes you've missed,

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Speaker 3: or check out the Mirror, the four part series on

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Speaker 3: Julia Gillard's misogyny speech and women in Politics. There's a

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Speaker 3: link to that show in the show notes. Have a great,

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Speaker 3: long weekend.