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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Female Athlete Project. My name is Chloe Dalton.

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Speaker 1: I'm an Olympic gold medalist in rugby sevens and because

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Speaker 1: I have commitment issues, have also played two other sports

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Speaker 1: at professional level. The last two seasons, I've played for

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Speaker 1: Carlton in the AIRFLW and prior to that played for

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Speaker 1: the Sydney Uni Flames and the Women's National Basketball League.

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Speaker 1: I'm currently training full time with the Australian rugby sevens

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Speaker 1: for the now Tokyo twenty twenty one Olympics. One of

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Speaker 1: my favorite things to do is to head down to

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Speaker 1: the beach, grab a coffee and the paper, click to

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Speaker 1: the back page and read about sport. I've had enough

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Speaker 1: of only reading stories about men's sport, so I decided

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Speaker 1: to do something about it. One day, female athletes will

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Speaker 1: be recognized by their achievements and not by their gender.

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Speaker 1: Until then, I'm going to chat to and share the

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Speaker 1: stories of epic ossie female athletes. This episode is brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Workplace Law and Athletes Authority, who are

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Speaker 1: both incredible supporters of the Female Athlete projec. Wheelchair racer

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Speaker 1: Madison d Rosario is a three time Paralympian a two

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Speaker 1: time comm Games gold medalist, winner of the London Marathon,

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Speaker 1: and World Championship medalist. Madison competes in a range of

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Speaker 1: wheelchair track and road events, including the eight hundred meters,

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Speaker 1: fifteen hundred meters and the Grueling marathon in the T

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Speaker 1: fifty three classification, where athletes typically have full function of

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Speaker 1: the arms but no abdominal or lower spinal muscle activity.

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Speaker 1: She is currently preparing for her fourth Paralympics in Tokyo.

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Speaker 1: I've had the chance to chat to Maddie at a

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Speaker 1: few events prior to this podcast, and I always find

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Speaker 1: her honesty incredibly refreshing. There's no bs and as you're here,

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Speaker 1: Maddie has some powerful insights into the importance of representation

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Speaker 1: and visibility of both female and para athletes. I hope

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Speaker 1: you enjoy it. Madison d Rosario, Welcome to the Female

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me on it.

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited by sitting in my garage on a

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Speaker 1: very rainy day. Tell me a little bit about how

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Speaker 1: your morning's been and how the last few weeks been.

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Speaker 1: You've had a chance to compete over the last last weekend.

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Speaker 1: I think it was down in Canberra.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've had quite a few chances to race. Has

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Speaker 2: the last little bit, I think we had twelve months

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Speaker 2: soon as like twenty twenty one came around, which is exciting.

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Speaker 2: So for me, it was just kind of race practice,

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Speaker 2: race experience, Like I'm really lucky that I got my

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Speaker 2: which has been nice because the weather's been tricky, the

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Speaker 2: conditions haven't been ideal, so it's been nice just to

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Speaker 2: we're used it's nice to kind of be in that

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Speaker 2: so I was in there this morning because of the weather,

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Speaker 1: How much do you use the heat chamber in preparation?

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Speaker 1: Okay, what role does the weather play when you are

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Speaker 1: How does your mindset change going into those events knowing

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Speaker 2: It's hard for several reasons. But for me, I'm not

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Speaker 2: So we've put a lot of time into my coach

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Speaker 1: That's really cool. I like hearing ways that people are

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Speaker 1: You do have a pretty iconic coach in Luis Safage,

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Speaker 2: It's a funny one because growing up, she was the

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Speaker 1: achieve these things, or I don't know, is it more

436
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Speaker 1: of a reflection of I've put in so much hard work,

437
00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,320
Speaker 1: so it's okay to feel relieved to cross that line.

438
00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,040
Speaker 2: That I kind of I do wish it was something

439
00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,439
Speaker 2: we spoke about a little bit more. I wish it

440
00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:33,800
Speaker 2: was something that I knew was going to be the

441
00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,520
Speaker 2: feeling that I was gonna have when I crossed that line,

442
00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,280
Speaker 2: because I when I did it, I thought I was

443
00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,720
Speaker 2: doing it wrong. I thought I was somehow winning you

444
00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,560
Speaker 2: and now hearing like Ellie and yourself and so now

445
00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,080
Speaker 2: let's talk about that feeling. I'm like, no, Like, that's

446
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:47,920
Speaker 2: just how it goes. And I kind of wonder if

447
00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,119
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a bad thing. I think because

448
00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,160
Speaker 2: the how proud you are of it and all that

449
00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,320
Speaker 2: does come later, like you do get to feel all

450
00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:58,000
Speaker 2: those things. It's just not in that immediate moment. And yeah,

451
00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,400
Speaker 2: I think it's kind of I guess testaments the standards

452
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,159
Speaker 2: that we hold ourselves to that it's that was the

453
00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,399
Speaker 2: one goal. And then if you did it like and

454
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,600
Speaker 2: it's I think it's okay to feel like that. But yeah,

455
00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:10,760
Speaker 2: it was definitely unexpected.

456
00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,800
Speaker 1: M I want to have a disc segment. The first

457
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,959
Speaker 1: thing you did when rocking up. We offered a coffee,

458
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Speaker 1: so you've got a light and requested to see my disc.

459
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,240
Speaker 1: But it's recently been removed from my back. So when

460
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Speaker 1: I went in for surgery recently, there was a strange

461
00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,120
Speaker 1: man who looked a little bit like a crazy scientist

462
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 1: who came up and it was the morning after my surgery,

463
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Speaker 1: and he kind of said to me, I've got your

464
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,359
Speaker 1: disc in the back of me land Rover, if you

465
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Speaker 1: want me to go and grab it, and I thought

466
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,560
Speaker 1: he was joking, so I was like, yeah, I'd love that,

467
00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,320
Speaker 1: bring it on up. Ten minutes later, comes back with

468
00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 1: my disc in a jar, which I've now showed you.

469
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Speaker 1: It's pretty weird.

470
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Speaker 2: It's not what I thought it would look like at all,

471
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 2: like adult and I don't know what I was expecting,

472
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,239
Speaker 2: but like not that not that.

473
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm so glad I asked to see it.

474
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Speaker 2: I feel like a bit of a creep like first

475
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,040
Speaker 2: fire in your garage. Also, can I see your disc

476
00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:57,639
Speaker 2: like that?

477
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 1: And you were saying when you had your surgery done,

478
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,200
Speaker 1: you had multiple levels of from about T three tel four.

479
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was kind of my interest. I want

480
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 2: to know what was like because I never got to

481
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 2: see mine. Because for mine, they they kind of came

482
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 2: to the side, through the side to get to the front.

483
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,920
Speaker 2: They take all the discs out search to spinal fusion.

484
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,119
Speaker 2: So I had a curvature and they basically correct it

485
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 2: with titanium rods, and so they take all the discs

486
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 2: out to make your spine like more flexible, to kind

487
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 2: of get it straighter. But then for mine, they crashed

488
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 2: the discs back up with a bit of the rib

489
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 2: and I think like could have a bone as well

490
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 2: to make a paste to like fill in the gaps

491
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,119
Speaker 2: that the screws creates. So I know that they're back

492
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 2: in my spine, and I just didn't know what they

493
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 2: look like. Because why I like the creepy interest, it

494
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 2: makes sense. I'll give you that.

495
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 1: I'll give you that. It's weird the idea of the

496
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Speaker 1: cadava being in there. I know, I hope it was

497
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 1: a you know, strong health. I mean, it's exactly I'd

498
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:03,199
Speaker 1: love to look at twenty eighteen the Commonwealth Games on

499
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 1: home soil, on the Gold Coast. What did it feel

500
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,919
Speaker 1: like preparing for an event where you knew that you

501
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 1: were going to have a home crowd watching you compete.

502
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 2: That was equal parts amazing and absolutely terrifying and stressful.

503
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 2: I've never been so nervous to race in my life.

504
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,439
Speaker 2: And kind of a funny one because I that was

505
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 2: actually my first commwth Games, like I'd done three Paralympics

506
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 2: by that point and not actually managed back to common Games.

507
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 2: I was in Glasgow, but I wasn't able to compete,

508
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 2: and I watched that race from the sidelines and it

509
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 2: was the same event. It was a thin hundred that

510
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,400
Speaker 2: was going to be on the Gold Coast, and so

511
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,919
Speaker 2: I was definitely putting a lot of pressure onto myself.

512
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 2: And I think that was the first race where I

513
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 2: only had one goal. Like when I said in in

514
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 2: real i'd be devastated with the bronze. I knew that

515
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be happy with the silver ether in the

516
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 2: fifteen or the marathon, and I think being really honest

517
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 2: with myself about that was a good decision, but also

518
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 2: very confronting. There's no leeway in that. You can't give

519
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 2: yourself room to make a mistake. And the fifteen, while

520
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,360
Speaker 2: it's a long event, it's not long enough to make

521
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:11,199
Speaker 2: mistakes in. And that was I remember, like I was,

522
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 2: I feel so bad for my roommates and I apologize

523
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 2: them profusely and I'll do it again. But before we left,

524
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 2: I remember getting ready to raise and just going around

525
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: our apartment just crying, doing different things and just like

526
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 2: I couldn't. And one of our roommates was this it

527
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 2: was her first Australian team, young girl and she is

528
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 2: an amazing athlete, but she'd never been on an Australian

529
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 2: team before and like she had to deal with me,

530
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 2: one of the senior members, just like hovering around like

531
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 2: crying what she was also trying to get ready to

532
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 2: do stuff. So like I do feel very bad about that,

533
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 2: but I was so so nervous. And it was the

534
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 2: about six months lead up as well that I think

535
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 2: made it so intense, because any kind of opportunity that

536
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 2: came like my way off. So you get the final

537
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 2: email without like hey, like are you available to do

538
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 2: this gig? Like see below for details, and you kind

539
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 2: of go through the email thread and the first one

540
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: was always the brand approaching whoever saying, hey, we want

541
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 2: an athlete to do X, Y and z, and the

542
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 2: response is always maybe Madison. We expect her to win

543
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 2: two gold medals at COMM Games who And I was like,

544
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 2: I don't need to see that. And while I definitely

545
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 2: did have that golf myself, that external bit was a lot. Yeah,

546
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 2: And so i'mber Louise kind of pulling me aside maybe

547
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 2: a month before Common Games because everything we'd heard was

548
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 2: home games will be amazing, and it absolutely was. But

549
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 2: she'd raced in Sydney in Olympics and Paralympics, and so

550
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 2: she was so familiar with that feeling and basically she

551
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 2: told them that, yes, it is going to be like

552
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 2: the build up is amazing, the energy in the city

553
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 2: is going to be incredible, and it's all going to

554
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 2: be for you. But when you line up there, the

555
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 2: pressure is going to be more than you've ever experienced before.

556
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 2: And I'm so glad she told me that because when

557
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 2: it came to the day when I was crying my

558
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 2: way around the parment, I didn't think that would be

559
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: how I ended up approaching it. But at least I

560
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 2: knew that something it was going to get overwhelming, it

561
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 2: was going to get too much. And she was so

562
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 2: familiar and she took the time to pull me aside

563
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 2: and tell me all that, and I'm so grateful that

564
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 2: she did that, because yes, it was still a lot.

565
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 2: At least I was prepared for it to be a lot,

566
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 2: and so that kind of build up was a lot.

567
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: And I find when I'm racing, the nerves go all

568
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 2: the way to when the gun goes, But as soon

569
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 2: as the gun goes, like I know what I'm doing, yeah,

570
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 2: and I can like there's kind of this calm that

571
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 2: happens either on the road or the track. And that

572
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred was one of the most I think, enjoyable

573
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 2: races of my life clife. I was strong, and I

574
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 2: knew the crowd was there. As soon as the gun went,

575
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,479
Speaker 2: I knew I could do it. Wow, and to actually

576
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 2: do it and come home and then have you know,

577
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: my coach and my mom and my sister and my grandfather,

578
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 2: like all kind of there was one of the most

579
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 2: amazing kind of moments of my career. And I think

580
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 2: you have your little team of people when you do something,

581
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: and when you're overseas, you know, there's like a little

582
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 2: bit of isolation around it, whereas you and your immediate people,

583
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 2: whoever they are, and I think to be able to

584
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 2: share that with just a stadium of strangers was a

585
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 2: really special thing to be able to do. And I

586
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 2: love that, and I I think racing overseas after that,

587
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 2: you kind of carry that with you, knowing that back home,

588
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 2: back to that support actually looks like and yes, it's

589
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 2: something there with you when you're overseas, but it's still there.

590
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: And so that, yeah, definitely one of the racing those

591
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 2: common games. One of the best moments in my career.

592
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: That's really cool. What is your headspace like in the

593
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: lead up to the gun going? What are you going through?

594
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 2: Just awful?

595
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: Just a trainer.

596
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: I've thrown off on start lines in my mouth and

597
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 2: had to swallow it.

598
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: Oh and then race the whole in your mouth.

599
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: Yes, it wasn't even that stress a race. It was

600
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: not good. So this was in our twenty fifteen World

601
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 2: Championships We're in Doha and my first race was a fifteen.

602
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 2: It was just a semi final. I knew he was

603
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 2: in my race. I knew tactically how to race it,

604
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 2: and realistically it was not the most challenging race. I

605
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 2: just had to be a top four, right, that was it.

606
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 2: And I knew I could do that and I should

607
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 2: be able to do that on any given day. And

608
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: Luis is like, why are you making this so dramatic?

609
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know. And that was the

610
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 2: first World Champs after not racing a calm game, so

611
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 2: I had actually raced big in a while, and so

612
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 2: I think it was all that kind of build I

613
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 2: recognized at the time. I was just a mess and

614
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 2: so I was in lane one and so the camera

615
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 2: was on me last when they're announcing, everyone starts why

616
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: and it comes in. I was in lane one. They

617
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 2: announced me. I threw up in my mouth and then

618
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 2: the gun went oh, and it was just discuss I

619
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 2: won the race like qualified, Like I just I was like,

620
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 2: what am I doing?

621
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: Why am I making such.

622
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: A But my nerves definitely get the better way. And

623
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 2: that's like a big one that we've spent lockdown working

624
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 2: on because I feel like as athletes we react to

625
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 2: stress as opposed to prepare for it because there's no

626
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 2: time prepare for it because it's just one after the other,

627
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 2: whether it's training or competing, whatever it is, like, there's

628
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 2: no time to prepare for it. And so I feel

629
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 2: like we're taught very well how to respond to anything,

630
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: and I feel we're all very flexible we need to be,

631
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 2: but we don't prepare for it. And that was the

632
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: big thing that we used last twelve months to do

633
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 2: was prepare for this is inevitable, Like I'm gonna feel

634
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 2: either cry in my apartment or throw it from the

635
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 2: start line or whatever it is. Like, I'm going to

636
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 2: do that, But how do we know it's coming and

637
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 2: what do we do? So I'm kind of interested see

638
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: how it all kind of come together, come Tokyo. But yeah, no,

639
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: definitely not a particularly comperson as they get ready to rate.

640
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: Mm hmm okay, good to know. Actually we didn't actually

641
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: set you won the two gold medals of the comm game.

642
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 2: Yes, I do.

643
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,359
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653
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Speaker 1: advice and representation in disciplinary hearings and tribunals. Find out

654
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Speaker 1: more at www dot Workplace Law dot com dot AU.

655
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Speaker 1: Athletes Authority is a home away from home for athletes

656
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Speaker 1: with sports rehab programs that get athletes back to sport

657
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Speaker 1: faster and a performance program that helps you improve your athleticism.

658
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Speaker 1: I couldn't think of a better place for aspiring athletes

659
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660
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Speaker 1: your weaknesses. A dedicated team of sports physiotherapists and sports

661
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662
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663
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664
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Speaker 1: achieve more from sport. Head to their website at Athletesauthority

665
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Speaker 1: dot com dot au to find out more. I'd like

666
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: to play an audio clip from the twenty eighteen London Marathon,

667
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: which I believe you flew out to almost straight after

668
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: the condamnes John McCartin.

669
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 3: It's not going to be Manoela Shard and the Rosario

670
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 3: still hanging on. Mccarnell's trying to get back there but

671
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 3: not making any ground. It looks as if Madison the

672
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 3: Rosario is going to hold on for victory. She takes

673
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 3: her first London Marathon victory. Fairly enough energy for the celebration,

674
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 3: But what a when that is and what an unexpected

675
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 3: win it is for many de.

676
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Speaker 1: So you won the London Marathon. I love that he

677
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: made comment that you barely had it. Who has energy

678
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: to celebrate after a marathon?

679
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: I haven't actually heard that ever. I've never watched back

680
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: races unless I'm analyzing, okays, that would be the first

681
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: time I have heard that.

682
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, tell us a little bit about that race.

683
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: That is the only major marathon I have ever won,

684
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 2: and that was a massive surprise. There was no room

685
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: for celebration because I had not registered what had happened,

686
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 2: so we Calm Games wrapped up. I think I stayed

687
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: went to Brisbane, stayed the night in Brisbane, and flew

688
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: straight to London from Brisy, and I remember like landing

689
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: and being like what the am I doing? Like what

690
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: like comm Games have been like such a an emotional

691
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 2: I think, okay, whole like the whole lead up and

692
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: then it being done. I kind of just wanted to

693
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: go home and see my family and just and it

694
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: was a bit of it like a I don't live

695
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 2: anybody in my family, they're all in Wa so I'd

696
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 2: seen them at Calm Games and Moe was like, I

697
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 2: just want to spend more time there in that space.

698
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: And to kind of have to then leave that and

699
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: then go and race overseas again was kind of hard

700
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 2: to then recen switch back on again. But I think

701
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 2: it ended up being a bit of a blessing because

702
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: I hadn't had time to like myself out to race.

703
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 2: And I think the thing with the marathon is for

704
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: the I think when you initially start to race them,

705
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,719
Speaker 2: the stressful part is the forty two kilometers, Like the

706
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 2: distance is really daunting, and that was I think the

707
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: first couple of races that year was the first time

708
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: with that wasn't stressing me out anymore. Okay, So while

709
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: the actual racing part was still there and there is

710
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 2: that stress the actual there was something calm about having

711
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 2: just done a marathon knowing I could do it, even

712
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: if the result wasn't there. I knew I could get

713
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 2: through it and I could physically make that happen. That

714
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 2: was actually quite nice, I think, and not having any

715
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 2: time to prepare and slag myself out was also really nice.

716
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: And so that marathon is quite flat and the road

717
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 2: surface is a bit tricky, but the whole pack actually

718
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: stayed together coming into the last couple kilometers, which isn't

719
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: uncommon in a marathon, but it's not the most common

720
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 2: thing either, And so I think going into it, I

721
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: know I one of the top five finish would have

722
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: with what I kind of would have been happy with,

723
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 2: and I'd never thought more than that. And that particular race,

724
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: you kind of come into it and there's quite a

725
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: few turns as you go to the mountain end. I

726
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: kind of outside the palace, and I wasn't familiar with

727
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 2: the course. I'd raced it once in twenty thirteen, and

728
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 2: I hadn't actually done it in five years. And that

729
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 2: ended up also working in my favor because I think

730
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: a lot of the time when we planned for our

731
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: final sprint, especially when you're exhausted have to forty one

732
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: point ight kilometers, you kind of wait until the last

733
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: little bit to do it. And the strait is where

734
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: most of the girls, you know, traditionally attack and I

735
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 2: just didn't know this. And my strength is not a

736
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: short sprint. If we leave it to a short sprint,

737
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 2: I know I'm not going to do particularly well. So

738
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: six of us all kind of came in the last

739
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: few turns together and I was like, I just had

740
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: to beat one person and I've kind of like ticked

741
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: that goal of top five, And that was kind of

742
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 2: you know, I was kind of like looking around me,

743
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: like who can I do? I think I can realistically

744
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 2: be And there's a few nine degree turns and they

745
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: start to countdown from a kilometer everye hundred meters. It's

746
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: a klometer nine hundred and eight hundred Togo. I think

747
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 2: I saw the eight hundred and I was like, I

748
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: have to go, like I even to be top five.

749
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: I knew if I left to a two hundred meter sprint,

750
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 2: I can't do it, and so I started to pick

751
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 2: it up and kind of a gap basically opened up

752
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: on one of the turns and I took a bit

753
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 2: of a dangerous corner, but it opened up a bit

754
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: of space to me, and I kind of just went.

755
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: And I couldn't see the star want the finish line

756
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: because there were too many turns between me and it.

757
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: I couldn't see if and it was coming. I couldn't

758
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: hear anyone because the crowd was too loud, and there

759
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 2: was a part of my brain that thought that I

760
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 2: made a mistake, that I should not be going just yet,

761
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: because no one else was there and I wasn't familiar

762
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: with the course, and I was like, why is why

763
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: we all not going? And I thought I'd made a mistake,

764
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: and so I kind of just like committed to it because

765
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: I saw maybe the five hundred meters to go sign it,

766
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: and I was like, just go. Whenever happens, will happen.

767
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: And I was expecting that I went too early, and

768
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: they were kind of just like, what is this person doing?

769
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 2: And then I when I did kind of across that line,

770
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: that was like there was no reaction like it was

771
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: just shocked. I couldn't believe that I had managed to

772
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: do it. And later on I haven't seen the video

773
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 2: or anything from it, but I was told that they

774
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 2: were actually right there. We all went together when I

775
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 2: started to go, but I just couldn't hear them because

776
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 2: of how loud the crowd was, like coming down the

777
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: moutain stuff. So that was Yeah, there was definitely a

778
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 2: lot of it was a I definitely wasn't not expecting

779
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 2: that result. I think to come to a sprint finished

780
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 2: in a marathon which I hadn't I wasn't familiar with,

781
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 2: I was like, I just guess you're putitch you Klomas

782
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 2: and see what happened. So yeah, I wasn't expecting that result.

783
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: How do you find that will to push yourself after

784
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: almost forty one and a half k's for that final sprint?

785
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: Do you find that that's something you've done the training

786
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: and you feel confident in your preparation that you can

787
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: push it.

788
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 2: I also think you just don't give yourself a choice.

789
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 2: I think once your body will do whatever you tell

790
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 2: it too write. I think we all learned that quite

791
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 2: early as athletes. And what doesn't say hey, we're done,

792
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 2: and you just kind of have to tell it that

793
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: that's not what we're doing today, Like that's not it.

794
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 2: And I think for me, I think to really control

795
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: that part of me. It's the preparation, so I know

796
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: that I'm going to feel that way. I make the

797
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: decision way before that we're going to push through it.

798
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: And so when it comes down to it, it doesn't even

799
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 2: feel like an option to kind of lean into that.

800
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 2: And I'm not perfect that over a marathon, I think

801
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 2: there's enough time to talk yourself back out of it, okay,

802
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: but in the last bit there isn't. I think you

803
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: make the decision and then you just commit to it.

804
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: And so for me, when I kind of saw the

805
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 2: countdown to the finish line, it was like, there's just

806
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 2: one decision to make, and once it's made, it's done,

807
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: and then you just have to the follow through. And

808
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: so for me is that it's just not giving yourself

809
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 2: the option.

810
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: I like the idea that you kind of tell your

811
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: body what it's going to do and that's it, Like

812
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: that's kind of the only thing. And I've found with

813
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: my training and I feel like a lot of the

814
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: time if you go and speak it, whether it's at

815
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: a business or in a panel. A lot of people

816
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: love to know as an athlete, what makes you so resilient.

817
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: I think that's a really key theme and I feel

818
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: like a big thing that I've probably realized more recently.

819
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: It's almost like every day you have to put yourself

820
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: in training in a position where I know, for me,

821
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: I find a lot of time I'm like, I don't

822
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: feel like I'm going to be able to achieve that,

823
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: But then every day you do, you do yeah, And

824
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: so it's like you prove to yourself in these very

825
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: small increments every day, even though you feel like your

826
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: body doesn't actually have that capability, it does every time

827
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: it shows up and gets it done. It's almost like

828
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: you build on that level of resilience. So when you

829
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: get to that competition time, it's like I've done.

830
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 2: This, trust it a little bit by that point, right,

831
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 2: And yeah, I think the exact same way about I

832
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 2: think every time you do it. Every time you hit

833
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 2: that wall, you're like wollmanb we found it. Yeah, and

834
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 2: I think you push past it and you're like, no,

835
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 2: there's definitely more. And it's kind of that concept of

836
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 2: like burying yourself right, and it's surprisingly further along than

837
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: you think it is. It is like I think I've

838
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 2: done a handful of times in my life and I

839
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 2: can't actively make myself like it's so far past what

840
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 2: you think you're capable of that we often didn't see it.

841
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 2: And that kind of potential I find really interesting, Like

842
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 2: how fuf physically can you push? And this is again

843
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 2: like a big conversation that I've had with my sports,

844
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 2: like around the discomfort of racing, because again I find

845
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: over the time that you're out there for a marathon,

846
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: if I'm pushing with a pack, you don't think about

847
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: it and you just do.

848
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

849
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 2: But if you find yourself like on your own, like

850
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 2: then she becomes like a mental game, whether it's on

851
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: your own at the front, of whether it's on your

852
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 2: own at the back, Like that mental piece, it's kind

853
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 2: of you against your body. And so that's kind of

854
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 2: how I approaches your body as like an entirely different

855
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: entity to who you are, and you have to have

856
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 2: this amazing respect for it. And I think the treatment

857
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 2: that you have for it, like when training and all

858
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: that prep is' is so paramount because when it gets down,

859
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: so you're gonna ask like a lot from it, and

860
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: I find it's kind of like a's entirely separate incident.

861
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 2: So when you're kind of forcing to do something, it's

862
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: almost like it's not you that's hurting, which is kind

863
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: of I think, not the normal, not the way you'd

864
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 2: want to think about it. But I find like the

865
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: I kind of put the pain that I feel when

866
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 2: I'm racing and training is on someone else. It's not

867
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: me that's actually feeling it, I think, is howpproach it.

868
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: That would be a very difficult thing to actually master.

869
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 2: To do that, I definitely not mustered it yet in

870
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 2: the process I finally up to five k nailed it.

871
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

872
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 2: I think it was to get like a halfway that

873
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 2: thirty seven kilometer point in a marathon. I'm like, we're

874
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: one of the same, and we are hurting right now.

875
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 1: We are done, all of us. We're all really hurting.

876
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: Every week on the show, I have a question from

877
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: my grandma and a five year old we might start

878
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:32,439
Speaker 1: with a question from granny him Madison, who has been

879
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: the most influential person in your life and why I

880
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: love that?

881
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 2: Though this is very cliche, but it's definitely my mom

882
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 2: and I didn't realize the extent of it until maybe

883
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: two years ago, I think, And she also didn't realize

884
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 2: the extent of it. So my mom is like one

885
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 2: of seven kids, and my grandmother is like the strongest

886
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 2: woman I've ever ever had the privilege of knowing. She

887
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: basically she was. She she stole all seven of her

888
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: kids from a very bad situation with her ex husband,

889
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 2: like abducted them like in a pickup, went to like

890
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 2: her sister's farm, and then went to court and got

891
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: full custod of all seven kids and was the first

892
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 2: woman she's death and was the first one with the

893
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 2: disability to actually gain full custody of her family.

894
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: Wow.

895
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 2: And she turned up not knowing the dress code, so

896
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 2: she turned up in like these like short short overalls

897
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: and like got full custody by seven kids. Wow. And

898
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 2: so that's my grandma. That's my mom's mom. And so

899
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 2: my mom is just a mirror image of her. She's

900
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: just this like just this strong woman. And so my

901
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 2: mom's and I was an interpreter. And so she chose

902
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 2: that job after she had the three of us because

903
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 2: she always wanted a big career. Woman always had been

904
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 2: had me and my sisters and then was like, no,

905
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: I need to like be a full time mom. Now,

906
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 2: this is not me. And then I think as we

907
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: got a little bit older, she was like, that's not me.

908
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 2: Like I'm both these things, but how do I make

909
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 2: that balance work? And so she went back and got

910
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 2: her certificate as an interpreter because it was it's the

911
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 2: first language. That part was easy, took us to class

912
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 2: with her to do it, butt qualified and became a

913
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 2: freelancer jepidar, and so she would only work when we

914
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: were in school and stuff like that. She just always

915
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: had to drop us off, pick us up, and not

916
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: because we needed it necessarily, because it's the mother that

917
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 2: she wanted to be. That's important to her. So she

918
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: was there for all of that and made that balance work.

919
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: And then as the industry kind of she became more

920
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 2: familiar with industry, she realized that the agencies that existed

921
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: weren't really serving the community that they needed to be serving,

922
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 2: which is her community. And so rather than either stepping

923
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 2: away or trying to you know, fight it from wherever,

924
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: she started her own agency instead and is now the

925
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: largest agency in Wa Wow and is now expanding to

926
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 2: like educational stuff, so sending people into you know, organizations

927
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 2: and just cultural awareness training and things like that. So

928
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 2: she's rather than kind of being a part of a

929
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 2: system that doesn't work and just trying to you know,

930
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 2: do her being a bubble, she's changed the entire system

931
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: and other agencies have had to follow suit, and it's

932
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,280
Speaker 2: changed the entire culture in in West Australia rounds around

933
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 2: access and independence and all of that. And when I

934
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: spoke to my mom about this, she didn't realize. I

935
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 2: think that that's what she was doing, rather than realizing

936
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 2: the mold didn't fit and then just changing it to

937
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: suit you know her. Instead of her changing to suit it,

938
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 2: she was like, well that was the only option, Like

939
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 2: that's just what I had to do, and that I'm

940
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: so thankful has been instilled in me as a person

941
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: and as an athlete. And so for me when I

942
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: was realizing that lou and I, for example, such different athletes,

943
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 2: I really step away from the sport in twenty twelve

944
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: because I didn't think I had what it took to

945
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 2: be the best. I knew physically I was very capable,

946
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 2: but I didn't think mentally I could be as competitive.

947
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 2: And I think I saw athletes who were angry and fiery,

948
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 2: and I think women in sport build this all the time.

949
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 2: We see male athletes and what's celebrated in them is

950
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: demanded of us, but then vilified in us as women.

951
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: And so you know that arrogance and that competitive that anger,

952
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 2: all of that, and so I think we struggled with

953
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: identity between being an athlete and being a woman. When

954
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 2: I think you can just pick wherever you fall and

955
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: that spectrum and just do it. Yeah, And that's something

956
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 2: I think I learned from my mum without her really

957
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: realizing she was teaching it. And so when I really

958
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: stepped away from it in tent and twelve after London,

959
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 2: when Louise and I kind of worked out well I

960
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: needed as an athlete, it was just redeveloping and tell

961
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: how I race now, I approach not trying to be

962
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: anything else. And I remember telling my mom this like

963
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 2: maybe a couple of years ago, and I kind of

964
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 2: made the connection and she definitely had an either. It

965
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 2: was never an intentional thing. It was just that's who

966
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: she wanted to be in the world. And I love

967
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 2: that and I respect that so much and I'm so

968
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 2: grateful that that you know, that's how I got to

969
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 2: grow up with her as my person. So that was

970
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 2: a long answer, but that is definitely the most influential

971
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: person in my life.

972
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: I love I feel like she deserves a long answer

973
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: when she sounds incredible she is. That's very cool. I'm

974
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: really interested in what you touched on there, that that

975
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: idea between that balance between what is perceived as that

976
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: ideal woman an athlete, and this balance between even when

977
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: I was naming this podcast and what we're trying to

978
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: do with this platform, I was like, do I make

979
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: it the female athlete because this argument that we shouldn't

980
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: we don't want to be called FEMA athletes, we just

981
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: want to be called athletes. Or then looking at that

982
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: as well, around the balance of whether we want to

983
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: promote female athletes, so you can't just call us athletes

984
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 1: because we need to get that equality first. And similarly,

985
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: I would imagine as a para athlete, it's the same thing.

986
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: Do you want to be perceived as just an athlete

987
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: or you've got the visibility element of that is also

988
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: so important. Yeah, how do you see that balance? Where

989
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 1: do you see that fit?

990
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: I think that there is a difference between representation and visibility,

991
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: and I think that you need to do the representation

992
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: before you can just have the visibilities. So I know,

993
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: beginning of my career it was very much tokenistic, Like

994
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 2: if I was asked to be on a panel or

995
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: do a gigle or be a part of a campaign,

996
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 2: it was always as the token person with the disability,

997
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 2: and it was never pitched like that obviously, but it's

998
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: kind of becomes incredibly apparent, and the questions you get

999
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: asked are always just speaking for every person because you're

1000
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 2: the only that well. And I think as women, we

1001
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: deal with exact same thing all the time, Like you

1002
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 2: never get to be just an athlete. You always get

1003
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 2: kind of I guess pigeonholed as whatever it is that

1004
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 2: they've chosen your identity is on that day, and I

1005
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: think you as much as dehumanizing as that feels, I

1006
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: think there are a few of us who are willing

1007
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 2: to make the sacrifice and do that then create the

1008
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: space for what is just visibility, which is what we

1009
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 2: are moving towards, where you get to be the entire

1010
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 2: person that you are, and a part of that is

1011
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 2: a woman, and a part of that for me is

1012
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 2: the person with the disability, and a part of that

1013
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 2: is is a sister and whatever else I choose to be,

1014
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 2: and that's where the real change happens. But I think

1015
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: representation is the stepping stone to that. And the reason

1016
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: the change happens only at visibility and not a representation

1017
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 2: is because people looking at people in the spotlight need

1018
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 2: to see an entire person, and that is a luxury

1019
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,959
Speaker 2: that we do afford men occupying the same positions as us.

1020
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: And so anyone sees that person and they assume that

1021
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: is an entire person, they can have this whole spectrum

1022
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 2: of emotions and either professionalism or lack of and everything

1023
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 2: else in between, and do other things outside of sport,

1024
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: and we kind of accept all of that, whereas I

1025
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 2: think as women, we no matter what we do outside

1026
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 2: of sport is often not touched upon because we've decided

1027
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: that what's interesting about that person, what identifies them, is

1028
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 2: a very specific thing, and that's representation. And you want

1029
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 2: little girls to see women who look like them as

1030
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: entype people, because that little girl can't crop thinking, oh,

1031
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to be a woman in this job, that

1032
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 2: little girl on this scrop thinking I'm going to be

1033
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 2: an entire person, which is a bare minimum. And it's hard,

1034
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 2: I think, to recognize that that is where we're at

1035
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 2: because I think that that's what you have to address,

1036
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: and that starts with just representation. You need women in

1037
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 2: the spotlight to then move into that visibility space. And

1038
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: so I think that's a I think that's kind of

1039
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 2: I guess the direction that it is going in, and

1040
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: I kind of I think the Women in Sport and

1041
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: Women in Business movement is so good because it has

1042
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 2: as the potential to bring every other minority with it

1043
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 2: because the language I've found is identical and a lot

1044
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: of the language that I have discovered to talk about

1045
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 2: disability I drew from the feminist movement is the same.

1046
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: It's this discomfort with the unknown, and it's all the

1047
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: same kind of argument, the same fight, the same kind

1048
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 2: of journey. We'll kind of trying to move on. And

1049
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: I think that's the cool thing about having the platform

1050
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: that we have is yes, you can talk about you know,

1051
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 2: it helps to further and tell a story, but it

1052
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: also helps actually change it the entire landscape.

1053
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: It's interesting the description of it being a sacrifice in

1054
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: a sense, I know, we got to have a chat

1055
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: the other day around International Women's Day, and I was

1056
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: exhausted after doing a few events. And it's great. I

1057
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: think it's such an important cause and I love that

1058
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: so many people get on board around that time of year.

1059
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: But it's exhausting.

1060
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 2: It's exhausting, and it's also incredibly to humanizing, and I

1061
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: think that that does take its toll. And I think

1062
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: that I think that people using their platform and their spotlight,

1063
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 2: like yourself, I think it's a privilege for everyone else

1064
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 2: for us to have you in that role. But I

1065
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 2: think when it gets when the emotional toll on you

1066
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: becomes too much, like you have to take a second

1067
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 2: step away from it because we're not entitled to it, right,

1068
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: We're not entitled to have you speaking for us. And

1069
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 2: as impactful as it is, as important as it is,

1070
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 2: that's too much to ask of one person one hundred

1071
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 2: percent of the time. And you're more valuable to us

1072
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: as a movement if you're happy and content and then

1073
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: have the capacity to do it. And I think that's

1074
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 2: the thing that we tell people enough that you can

1075
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 2: step in and out of it, right, Like it's too

1076
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: much is exhausting, and I think going up there, I

1077
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 2: find you kind of go up there and you're just

1078
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: begging to be treated as a human, and that's that

1079
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 2: is exhausting. And I don't think that, you know, I

1080
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 2: think we're all in it for the good fight, and

1081
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 2: that's fine, and I think it's almost not easier for

1082
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: it for us. But I think we have the support

1083
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 2: of women around us when we're from big platform events,

1084
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 2: so you know, there's a briefing beforehanding in there with

1085
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: like like minded women, and then you go and do

1086
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 2: the gig and then you're when or wraps up like

1087
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 2: you're supported by the people that are there, and that's great.

1088
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 2: And I find that what we don't have on the

1089
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 2: ground is that same support system, right, Like how challenging

1090
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: is it for to confront your friends, to confront like

1091
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 2: your male friends, you'reables friends, like whatever it is, there's

1092
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 2: no support network after you do it saying hey, you

1093
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: really nailed that, like you're so well spoken, you did that.

1094
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 2: And I think that's what the impact that we can have,

1095
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: right is I think that network that we create, you know,

1096
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 2: being so accessible. I think social media is good for

1097
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 2: that because it kind of takes up the middle man

1098
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 2: and and I think that allows that on the ground

1099
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 2: work to be done. I think all that we can

1100
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 2: do with the platforms that we have is kind of

1101
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 2: like help set the scene, maybe help tell the story,

1102
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 2: and help provide the language that needs to be used

1103
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: to change, but then people to actually do the work

1104
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 2: on the ground then be there just be that support

1105
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: after that's done. I think that's the real change happens,

1106
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 2: and that's why the visibility is so much more important

1107
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 2: than just the representation.

1108
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. On social media, I love seeing the

1109
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 1: way that you're very refreshing and very real, very honest,

1110
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: and there's also some pretty confronting things I got to

1111
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: see earlier in the Weakest story that you shared around

1112
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: some pretty gross comments from people on a I think

1113
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: on an online kind of forum, and from what I know,

1114
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: you're pretty vocal in actually calling those things out.

1115
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 2: A friend of mine said that to me, which on

1116
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: the one hand, I'm appreciative of because so that's me,

1117
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 2: then the conversation can then start about it. But also

1118
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 2: sometimes I wish they wouldn't send it to me, So

1119
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 2: I'm a little torn on that. But I think that

1120
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 2: one of the things that I guess reinforces the system

1121
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 2: and the I guess the distance and privilege between men

1122
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 2: and women is that we never really spoke about it

1123
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 2: that much up until now, and I think that creates

1124
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 2: the internalized misogyny that then we then become complicit in

1125
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: our own dehumanization, I think is what a lot of

1126
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 2: us do. And I remember, like the first few times

1127
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 2: I started seeing those kinds of messages, either the misogynistic

1128
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 2: ones or the ablest ones, that's all like the fun

1129
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 2: little combination of the mension of both them into the

1130
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: one wow sentence. I was always told be the bigger

1131
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: person and ignore it, and that kind of sounds like

1132
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 2: the right thing to do, because I think we've always

1133
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 2: thought to it, We've always been told to do that,

1134
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 2: and so that seemed like the mature thing to do,

1135
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 2: and as kind of like I was sort of just

1136
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 2: falling into being a professional athlete and I wanted to

1137
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: do all the right things. And then I remember at

1138
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 2: some point, I think there was just like a flood

1139
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 2: of it foot it. I think I just done a

1140
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 2: campaign for a brand and it was a little bit overwhelming,

1141
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 2: and I was like, I can't actually do this, and

1142
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 2: so I ended up sharing it from a bit of

1143
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 2: a selfish respect because I needed the validation on it,

1144
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 2: and what kind of came from that was a lot

1145
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 2: of messages. Basically I've received stuff like this. I've never

1146
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 2: known how to respond. I'm glad to just have enough people.

1147
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 2: And I think it's so pervasive because there are no

1148
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 2: consequences because we don't do anything about it, and it

1149
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 2: kind of creates this system where is allowed. And I

1150
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 2: think by in doing it, in sending whatever messages that

1151
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 2: are being sent, there's kind of a permission to do

1152
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 2: it and there's the knowledge that there are actually no consequences.

1153
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 2: And I find that really awful. And I think, and

1154
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,919
Speaker 2: I think someone like myself again, who has a great

1155
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 2: support network, who has the you know, luxury of having

1156
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 2: people like you around me, Like I could call it like, hey,

1157
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 2: this is what was said, and I immediately have a

1158
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: supported person who gets it, who's been through it. And

1159
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 2: I have that. But there's so many young girls who

1160
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 2: don't have that or don't know that they have that,

1161
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 2: Like you don't know who they would reach out to.

1162
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 2: And that's a risky thing because if you reach it

1163
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 2: to the wrong person, it's so easy to be told

1164
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 2: that maybe don't say anything. Be the bigger person. You

1165
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 2: don't know who your support people are, and that's what again,

1166
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: we can provide with our platforms. And so it feels

1167
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 2: it's a little bit for my own validation that I

1168
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 2: do share it, but a lot of it is it

1169
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 2: creates that support for anyone who needs it, and and

1170
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 2: I think the response that I've got from it kind

1171
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 2: of show that there is a need for it.

1172
00:51:59,719 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1173
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I think it's really empowering because I can't tell

1174
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: you how many times I've been told that same thing.

1175
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: And I think as an athlete, we're so often so

1176
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: conscious of saying the right things and not saying anything

1177
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: that might slightly upset people. But I think it's so important,

1178
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: particularly on things like that, to know that there is

1179
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: a consequence for those actions. You can't people can't make

1180
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: comments like that and it just slides all the time.

1181
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

1182
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 1: Question from five year old freeda.

1183
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 2: Have you ever put an engine on your wheelchair to

1184
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 2: make it talk faster? I love this, So that would

1185
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 2: get me kicked out of a race and a party. However,

1186
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 2: very good question because our coaches have started to do

1187
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 2: it on their hand cycles. So Louise comes with me

1188
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 2: on her bike okay, And Fred Parek is the other

1189
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: national coach, and he has just done that exact thing

1190
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 2: to his bike, okay, because while the bike is faster,

1191
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 2: it's got gears you know, and do a lot more.

1192
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 2: Bread has way too many athletes to be able to

1193
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 2: back up all the sessions he has to do. Yeah. Again,

1194
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: Louise like a retired because of injury, and she keeps

1195
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 2: pushing herself far more than I'm comfortable with, and so

1196
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 2: she's in the process of work out how to do

1197
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 2: that as well. So yes, like that is like one

1198
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 2: percent a thing that we are working on and it

1199
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 2: kind of it benefits our coaches and that way less

1200
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 2: fatigue on them, but it creates more consistency for us

1201
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: as training. We can train at a higher level than

1202
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 2: we otherwise would be able to, and then we can

1203
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 2: apply that to your race. So, yeah, we're trying to

1204
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 2: put engines on the bikes raighter.

1205
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: Oh you go cool free, She nailed it. I love that.

1206
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: I really love that. So you mentioned earlier about Louise

1207
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: actually was a part of setting up your very first

1208
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: race chair. I'd love to know what that process was like,

1209
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: going from your standard chair, how you ended up getting

1210
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: into racing. Did you try all other sports or was

1211
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: it always that you wanted to know that you wanted

1212
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:48,280
Speaker 1: to do racing.

1213
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 2: So I've tried a lot of sports. I'm someone coordinated

1214
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 2: this story. So my I have two sisters ones all

1215
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 2: the ones younger, but we're all within three years for

1216
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,439
Speaker 2: all brandmich the same age, and so I just play

1217
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 2: whatever sports that they would play, and I think we

1218
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: knew we were just sports was an option, but there

1219
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 2: was never like this urgency to try it, and so

1220
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 2: I made it to about ten or eleven before really

1221
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 2: even trying it, and that was I would just play

1222
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 2: sport with my sisters, who were both very good at

1223
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 2: neple and soccer, which had two of like the worst

1224
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 2: sports for a kidner chair to want to play, and

1225
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 2: for a while it was totally fine. And in soccer,

1226
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 2: I was just the goalkeeper, and I was horrific because

1227
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 2: one I'm like tiny, and then I'm sitting down on

1228
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 2: top of that I can't cover a goal, and then

1229
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 2: like I'm also so un coordinated, so look at for

1230
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 2: balls coming to all it's just panic. There is no skill,

1231
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 2: it's just fear. And so I was just in goals

1232
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 2: hoping that they would do a good enough job on

1233
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 2: the pitch and I would never have to see the ball.

1234
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 2: And thankfully they were both very good towns to play,

1235
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 2: and that mostly was fine. I was just the most

1236
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 2: useless goalkeeper. And then as Eron gets a bit older,

1237
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 2: they get more competitive and those gaps start to whine

1238
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 2: a little bit, and that's when I really sad to

1239
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,720
Speaker 2: explore that we were to sports options, and I tried

1240
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 2: the basketball. Was the at the time, was the big

1241
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 2: Parampic sport that you thought of, and WA has the

1242
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 2: national program, so that was kind of where we went first.

1243
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,280
Speaker 2: And again, I'm so uncoordinated, and so I was trying

1244
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 2: that for like the third or fourth time maybe, And

1245
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 2: the coach was a man named Frank Fonta, and he

1246
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 2: was at the first sight of Pelmpic games. He's absolute

1247
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 2: legend of sport. He was Louise's first coach when she

1248
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 2: was in WA, and so he was there at the

1249
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,479
Speaker 2: basketball and he pulled me to the side and basically said,

1250
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 2: these aren't his exact words, but it was, you're terrible

1251
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,760
Speaker 2: at this. You're not an essent to this team at all.

1252
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 2: I have attraction of the storage. I'm trying to try

1253
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 2: it out, and so I did. I jumped in this

1254
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 2: in this track shirt and went around the parking lot

1255
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 2: at the basketball stadium and it was far too big

1256
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 2: for me. It was massive. I had foam outher side

1257
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 2: of me to try and like hold me in place.

1258
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 2: And I loved it. I think I loved like how

1259
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 2: individual it was. I love the independence of it. I

1260
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 2: love that what I put in I then immediately got

1261
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,479
Speaker 2: back out. I think that's what I really loved about

1262
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 2: I can still do. And so I tried to round

1263
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: the parking lot for twenty minutes, started turning up to

1264
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 2: the the Wullish track and road sessions. And it was

1265
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 2: not a natural I was not particularly good at it.

1266
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 2: And it's a very technical sport. I don't think you

1267
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 2: know so recognize that looking at it, I think it

1268
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,720
Speaker 2: looks like just very much power, but it's very technical

1269
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 2: and I did not have the hang of it. And

1270
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 2: my mum came with me on the bike and every

1271
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 2: two seconds I would stop and complain about a new thing.

1272
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 2: Something was uncomfortable, I was displeased with something. I was

1273
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 2: like a rap. I got a thirteen year old. I

1274
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 2: was a nightmare. And one day she was like we

1275
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 2: can find another sport. And I was so stubborn in

1276
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 2: the minute she said that. I was like, no, we're

1277
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 2: doing this, and you were like coming with me on

1278
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 2: your bike for like all of this, And so I

1279
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 2: stuck with it and at some point it just clicked

1280
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 2: and I think I worked out the rhythm and everything

1281
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 2: and that did come with getting a rage that did

1282
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 2: actually fit me. And it was Louise that found that

1283
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 2: for me, sent it over to wa and Andy Ballard,

1284
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 2: whose trot was sent like basically like a handwritten like

1285
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 2: handbook have how to set it up, what to do,

1286
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 2: because she knew I didn't have anyone around me who

1287
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 2: who really knew what to do with the equipment and stuff,

1288
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 2: and so she took it upon herself to make sure

1289
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 2: I had all the information that I needed. They were

1290
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 2: both always on the phone and helped me get set

1291
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 2: up in my first race share and and then the

1292
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 2: technique kind of happened, and yeah, it all kind of.

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Speaker 1: Clicked into place and really cool to hear recently when

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Speaker 1: you're down in Canberra you actually now get to do

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Speaker 1: a similar thing for the younger kids in terms of

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Speaker 1: setting helping set up their equipment and can you tell

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Speaker 1: us a little bit about how that works.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So we have so many kids around around the

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Speaker 2: country who are starting in the sport and there's not

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00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 2: a ton of information on wheelchair racing. Like I think

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00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 2: you have a question, you don't really know where to

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Speaker 2: even start looking for it. And we use some equipment

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00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 2: similar to cycling, but you can't really go to a

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00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 2: bike into a bike store and say, hey, how do

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00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 2: I do this because there's enough differences that it doesn't

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00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 2: translate that well. And so there's this whole group of

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Speaker 2: kids that want to do the sport but just don't

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00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 2: even know what they don't know ye, And so we

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Speaker 2: have this series every year. It's called the Sum of

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Speaker 2: That Under Series, and it's got a track component that

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Speaker 2: goes over a few days in Canberra and then a

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Speaker 2: road component on Australia Day. It's a tain k road

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Speaker 2: race and generally we have like a full international field

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Speaker 2: and then we try and bring in all of the

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Speaker 2: juniors around the country to both parts of it, and

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Speaker 2: we host mental sessions where we will partner a young

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Speaker 2: kid with an international athlete who they would never otherwise

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Speaker 2: get to meet or speak to or learn from. And

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Speaker 2: we're so lucky that these international athletes have just volunteered

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Speaker 2: so much their time over the thirteen years I've been involved, Like,

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00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 2: we've never had a shortage of athletes willing to come

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Speaker 2: out and help. And it's the middle of the day

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Speaker 2: in our summer, and they will come out and they

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Speaker 2: will you be there and spend so much time energy.

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Speaker 2: And I met my first one. I was partnering with

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Speaker 2: this woman named Edith, and she was Louisa's Swiss rival,

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Speaker 2: and they would often be the only athletes they would

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Speaker 2: partner out. Basically they would work together in races when

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Speaker 2: they were both competing and not help each other exactly,

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00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 2: but like they would strategize together. And so lu and

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00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 2: Edith were rivals but also OK's essentially teammates to some degree,

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00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 2: and so she was who I was with that I

1333
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 2: remember the conversations we had and how much time she

1334
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 2: put into watching me, and then I remember watching her

1335
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 2: win the ten k at the pinnacle event of the

1336
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Speaker 2: series and knowing that that woman who was this international

1337
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 2: just icon, had spent that much time with me and

1338
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 2: that I saw something in me. And that was one

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Speaker 2: of the things that I think our series is able

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Speaker 2: to offer. And we're a small enough sport that we're

1341
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Speaker 2: able to do that. We have the Luger being able

1342
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Speaker 2: to provide that, and so we're trying to expand that

1343
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 2: even further where every part of this series has space

1344
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 2: bread development group, whether it's those mental sessions where we

1345
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 2: hosted workshops this year where we had three different sessions

1346
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 2: on on equipment, on on how to train, just things

1347
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 2: that you don't know, and it was basically just a

1348
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 2: free for all for questions anything you want to know.

1349
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 2: You have access to people who have all the time

1350
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Speaker 2: in the world. And I love that about our sport

1351
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 2: that I love that I'm in a position where I'm

1352
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 2: able to be a part of that, but I always

1353
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 2: just love that we're a community that wants to do that.

1354
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 2: I think that's one of my favorite parts about the

1355
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 2: Paranompic family is just this kind of back and forward

1356
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 2: between no one kind of forgeres where they came from.

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Speaker 2: I guess I love that about it, all of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so powerful. I think back to when I

1359
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: was a little kid, I could name every single person

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00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: who was They might not have even been a profile

1361
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: or elite athlete, who actually came to a training session

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01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: or to school or anything, and those memories they stick

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Speaker 1: with you. Those moments are powerful and I love that.

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Speaker 1: I know for me when I get to go back

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Speaker 1: and talk to kids at schools, like, I love that

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Speaker 1: because you remember that feeling and how much of an

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Speaker 1: impact that you can have on this five or six

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Speaker 1: year old little kid.

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Speaker 2: I remember, like the one man with me that stands

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Speaker 2: out prop of anything else is I was in Beijing

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Speaker 2: and I'd met this woman name was Chanta Peticla. She

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Speaker 2: was at that first series that I did, Canadian woman.

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Speaker 2: She was just dominant in our sport, like she was it.

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Speaker 2: She retired after Beijing on five gold medals and three

1375
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Speaker 2: when I was like, she was just we I made

1376
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Speaker 2: the final for the one hundred and we book ended it.

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Speaker 2: She won it and I came dead last being in

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Speaker 2: the cour room with her, and I remember, like, you know,

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Speaker 2: just watching her do all this, and she was just

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Speaker 2: everything that I wanted to be, like, you know, like

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Speaker 2: when you're a fang girl someone like she was. I

1382
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 2: remember telling Louise this and we was like, that's fine,

1383
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 2: you can choose whoever you want to fangle her. But

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01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 2: she was my biggest rival and I was like, but

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Speaker 2: she was just this person, and I remember i'd raised

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Speaker 2: a couple of times and Chancel had maybe won her

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Speaker 2: third race, third gold by that point. And to where

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Speaker 2: you accept your medal on the contract then walk back

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Speaker 2: to the Canadian tent. By the warmut track, you had

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Speaker 2: to pass the Australian tent. And she was walking back

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Speaker 2: with her metal and her flowers from the podium, and

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01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 2: she walked past the Australian tent, saw me in a

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01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 2: doubled back and she gave me her flowers.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:26,919
Speaker 2: And she's like, these are you until you win your own?

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Speaker 1: Wow?

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Speaker 2: And I think for someone like her to see fourteen

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01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 2: on me and see that much potential that I hadn't

1399
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 2: seen just yet, like that stays with me and I

1400
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 2: will my whole career and the fact that at some

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01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 2: point maybe I can be that person for someone else,

1402
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 2: Like that's I love that you know there is space

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01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 2: to do that. I love that that that is what

1404
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 2: my world looks like. That they're the people individuals that

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01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 2: make it up are people like her, and I do

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01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 2: feel very lucky to be a part of that.

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Speaker 1: That's really beautiful looking at Tokyo coming up not too

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01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: far away. Are we going for gold? Are we talking.

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Speaker 1: What are you? What's your what's your talk? Heading on

1410
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Speaker 1: into the parent.

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Speaker 2: Are you coming in with a question there? I have

1412
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 2: never won a parent for gold medal, and it haunts

1413
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 2: me a little bit because I've managed to in Rio

1414
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 2: win two silvers, but the World Champions before and after

1415
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 2: I managed across the line first in two different events.

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01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 2: So knowing that there is the ability there to do it,

1417
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 2: but not having it done it at the event that

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01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 2: I need to do it at is is a lot.

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01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 2: And I think that I think my team and I

1420
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 2: have put me in a position. I'm giving my such

1421
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 2: political answerright now, my like professional, like my team has

1422
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 2: been a position to you really got to execute this

1423
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 2: when when the time comes. Fuck, I'm so okay.

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Speaker 1: I love that. I'm ready. I'm ready for the real one.

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01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: I'm ready.

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Speaker 2: Like your voice changes and you go into like professional. Okay,

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01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 2: I'm going to start that again. I actually think I

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01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 2: think that I could maybe do it. I think that

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01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 2: going into these ones, our prep has been the most

1430
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 2: consistent it's ever been. And I think the last you know,

1431
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 2: the years from like twenty twelve to now have just

1432
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 2: been consistent training. And I've even the injuries that we

1433
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 2: have had, the how we've worked out the maintenance of

1434
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 2: them has changed drastically, and I have the best performance

1435
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 2: team around me and where I think consistent, and I'm

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01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 2: going into eight hundred as the world record holder in it,

1437
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 2: and I think I'm in a position to maybe better

1438
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 2: that world record in the right conditions right now. So

1439
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 2: it's hard to know what anyone else is doing around

1440
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 2: the world, So that could mean absolutely nothing, like maybe

1441
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 2: we all break it, but it just doesn't matter if

1442
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 2: you don't cross my line first. So I think physically,

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01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 2: I'm definitely the strongest. I'm definitely the fittest that I've

1444
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 2: ever been, and there's such big factors in those long

1445
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 2: distance events, so I think we're definitely in a position

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Speaker 2: to maybe.

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Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. I Yeah, I can't

1448
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: wait to watch. It's like a good lead into my

1449
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: would you Rather? So? The final segment of the show

1450
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: is three would you rather questions? Would you rather win

1451
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: Paralympic gold in a slow time or silver on a

1452
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: world record or personal best time?

1453
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 2: Well, there you go, I've done both, and I think

1454
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 2: I would I would definitely rather win a metal on

1455
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:18,439
Speaker 2: a slow time.

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01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, it's the last five

1457
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: hundred meters of a marathon and the race hits an obstacle.

1458
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 1: Would you rather have to push your wheelchair through five

1459
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 1: hundred meters of beef strog or five hundred meters of

1460
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 1: hair gel?

1461
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I am going to go with hair gel, okay,

1462
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 2: because I think the smell would and me, yeah, and.

1463
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: It's got mushrooms in it. Yeah not okay, I would

1464
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: stock the final one. My research team has given me

1465
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: some intel about a tattoo number three. Would you rather

1466
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: have wings like tinker Bell and be able to fly

1467
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: or a mermaid like air and be able to swim underwater.

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01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with tink Abell on the wings. But

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01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 2: a little bit of this is influenced by like who

1470
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 2: the characters were, Like I kind of I like that

1471
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 2: tink about I could only have one emotion because I

1472
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 2: relate to that, Okay, right, I feel like that's me, right,

1473
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 2: and so I think that's quite cool. And then Ariel,

1474
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 2: I think it's Ariel, but like homego and meta dude,

1475
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 2: and then like left her family, and I'm not okay

1476
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 2: with that that. I don't love that, So I'm gonna

1477
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 2: go with wings in one emotion at a time as my.

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01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 1: Answer, very great answer. Before we finish up, where can

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Speaker 1: people find you on Instagram?

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01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 2: A stupid Instagram. It's Madison with a full stop and

1481
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 2: then four underscore, So if you just google it, if

1482
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 2: you just search my name, it will come perfect.

1483
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on and having a chat.

1484
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 1: I yeah, I was so looking forward to having you

1485
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: on because I find it so refreshing and real to

1486
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: be able to chat to you about not having that professional,

1487
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 1: straight up answer that you offer here. I think it's

1488
01:05:57,840 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: it's really nice to be able to chat about that stuff.

1489
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: And yeah, I cannot wait to watch you in Tokyo.

1490
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 1: It's gonna be really cool. I wish we could hang

1491
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: around not being a little bubble and what you compete,

1492
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, I can't wait, and we'll be backing you

1493
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 1: in all the way. Thank you, thank you, thanks so

1494
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 1: much for listening. If you enjoyed this episode, would love

1495
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: it if you could send it on to one person

1496
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 1: who you think would get something out of it. A

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01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 1: big thanks to my team, Bailey, Mike, Bez and Millie.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't do it without you. Guys. Find us on

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01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: Instagram at the Female Athlete Project, See you next time.