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Speaker 1: This episode is brought to you by toyotas Good for

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Speaker 1: Footy gear grants. Welcome to The Female Athlete Project Season two.

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Speaker 1: My name is Chloe Dalton. I'm an Olympic gold medalist

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Speaker 1: in rugby sevens and I'm now playing for the GWS

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Speaker 1: Giants in the AFLW. I started tfapp to share the

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Speaker 1: stories of incredible female athletes and to address the gender

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Speaker 1: inequalities that exist within the sports media space. We want

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Speaker 1: to change that story, and we're all about making news

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Speaker 1: and highlights of women's sport easily accessible across our platforms.

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Speaker 1: Our hope is that more female athletes will become household

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Speaker 1: names and in turn enable the next generation of young

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Speaker 1: kids to pick up a ball, racket, backboard, whatever they.

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Speaker 2: Want to pick.

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Speaker 1: Daisy Pierce is a pioneer of women's football. She grew

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Speaker 1: up in Country Victoria, playing footy with the boys until

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Speaker 1: the age of thirteen, when she was told that she

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Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to anymore. Later in her teenage years, she

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Speaker 1: discovered women's football for the first time and has since

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Speaker 1: gone on to become one of the faces of the

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Speaker 1: AFLW competition. After giving birth to twins in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: Daisy successfully returned to the AFLW and is forging a

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Speaker 1: path for women in the media, commentary and coaching space.

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Speaker 2: I've played against.

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Speaker 1: Daisy in the AFLW and admired her work from a

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Speaker 1: distance for a very long time, so it was a

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Speaker 1: huge honor to have a chance to sit down and

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Speaker 1: chat with her to learn more about her story. I

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Speaker 1: really hope you enjoy it, Daisy Piers, Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Female Athlete Project.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Chloe, thanks for having me. Awesome to join me.

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Speaker 1: I'm very much looking forward to having a chat, a

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Speaker 1: bit about footy and a bit about your incredible life

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Speaker 1: story so far. To kick us off, can you tell

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Speaker 1: us a bit about what Daisy was like as a

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Speaker 1: little kid?

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Speaker 3: Uh huh? What was our life as a little kid

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Speaker 3: up in country Victoria with a brother like two years

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Speaker 3: either side of me, So I was pretty sporty and competitive,

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Speaker 3: Like sport was just a big part of family and

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Speaker 3: the community, and particularly with my older brother Harry, who's

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Speaker 3: we were twins because we were similar height, and yeah,

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Speaker 3: I just did everything, like I just idolized him and

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Speaker 3: at anything and everything possible, whether it was like racing

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Speaker 3: So that's where I guess my competitiveness was probably cultivated.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I was pretty I was a pretty kind

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Speaker 3: funny like because despite that, I always found ways to

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Speaker 3: I never wanted to tie my hair up. I always

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Speaker 3: wore Harry's hand me down clothes. I went to a

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Speaker 3: put through my journey of primary school. At one Diler

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was shy and hated standing out, but

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Speaker 3: that was there even in my childhood. Like, probably the

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Speaker 3: So I just silently took off my goal attack be

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's symbolic of the journey you've gone

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Speaker 3: Like my personality is pretty I'm an introvert and do

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Speaker 2: Do you remember the first game of footy you ever played?

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Speaker 3: But then my dad eventually started coaching Harry's team, and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So again most my career I kind of just played,

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Speaker 3: And to put into context probably how much Footy had

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Speaker 1: What was your headspace like coming into your early teens.

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Speaker 3: No, I had no idea about women's booty at that point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't it crazy? So at the age of sixteen,

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Speaker 2: I think it was. And you went down to the

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Speaker 1: May have a good idea about Darrabin, but for those

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was actually through that school footy day that

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Speaker 1: Your time at the club was incredibly successful, so it

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Speaker 1: was ten premierships, having Captain Darrebin to seven of those flags.

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Speaker 1: You're the sixth time winner of the Helen Lambert Medal

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Speaker 2: Which you have also won.

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Speaker 1: How do you go from a sixteen year old who's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it helped that. Like I mentioned before,

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Speaker 3: You would not have known, like there'd be times where

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure who recognized it, but I think again

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Speaker 3: kind of always asking why and studying little things and

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Speaker 3: So I think that meant that even when I because

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Speaker 3: be good at it, and we should. We deserve the opportunity.

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Speaker 3: And then I just had older, more experience, more articulate

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Speaker 3: ignited the flame for me to want to push for

439
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 3: those things as well.

440
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Speaker 1: We'll get to the start of the afl W competition

441
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 1: in a second, But how do you feel as a

442
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,439
Speaker 1: leader you've changed to where you're at now versus that

443
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 1: twenty year.

444
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 2: Old You were pretty much still a kid at that

445
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 2: point in time.

446
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah, but I'm not now. I love that

447
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 3: footy clubs. I feel like you're all on this similar

448
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 3: you can just there's no ages in footage. That's why

449
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 3: I love coming here. How have I changed? I think

450
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 3: the biggest one, The biggest evolution has been to accept

451
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 3: that people play for all different reasons. And I describe

452
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 3: what I mean a bit better. I sort of even

453
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 3: at the start of afl W, not even going back

454
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 3: as far as being twenty years old at Durbin, but

455
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 3: start of afl W, I was captain in the first

456
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 3: year for Melbourne and I just remember thinking, oh, thank goodness,

457
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 3: it's afl W. It's the elite league. Everyone is going

458
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 3: to want to train their butts off, do all the

459
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 3: right things, eat all the right things, and it'll be easy.

460
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 3: Everyone will just do that all the time and off

461
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 3: we go, because that's why we're all here. And it

462
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 3: was a bit of a shock, and like, I don't know,

463
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 3: I remember sort of feeling a bit flat and let

464
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:01,199
Speaker 3: down that that's not what drove people, and that not

465
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 3: everyone you know, Whilst you have to train at a

466
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 3: certain level level when you're playing elite sport, not everyone

467
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 3: is just naturally geared to think that way. Work hard,

468
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 3: get results easy. So I remember frustrations when you come

469
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 3: across teammates that are motivated by different things. And I

470
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 3: used to resent it almost like oh, what mean they're

471
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 3: just here for the love of the game and to socialize,

472
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 3: Like that's not okay, that's not going to get you anywhere.

473
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 3: But now I've come to realize that, you know, everyone's

474
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 3: reason for playing and what drives them is different, and

475
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 3: the art of leadership is to make that all work

476
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 3: and to make all those people and the team reach

477
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 3: their full potential, no matter what those reasons or no

478
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 3: matter what their strengths are. So I think that's been

479
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 3: probably the biggest thing for me, Like little things like

480
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 3: I remember a coach telling me like, ah, people love

481
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 3: positive res enforcement. I'm like, yeah, but I'm not not

482
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 3: going to just go dishing it out for the sake

483
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 3: of it just because they love it. They shouldn't need it.

484
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 3: Whereas now I'm like, you know what, you're right, positive,

485
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 3: they're happy, they play better, I don't care, so I

486
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 3: dish it out wherever possible.

487
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 2: It's quite an evolution. I'm impressed.

488
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, well here I am. I probably wasn't that hardcore.

489
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 3: It's probably I'm describing it in a very extreme way.

490
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 3: I wasn't like a drill sergeant. I've always seen the

491
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 3: value of the fun side of the game and the

492
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 3: importance of fun in any environment. Yeah, even at the

493
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 3: lead environment. But I have definitely gifted my view.

494
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: Taking a step back to when you were at Darrabin,

495
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: do you remember the moment finding out that it was

496
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: announced that the AFLW was going to become officially a competition.

497
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it was off the back of one

498
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 3: of the exhibition games that they held. Yeah, I remember

499
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 3: Gill announcing that because for a long time it was

500
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 3: ohing twenty twenty, and in twenty twenty, that's what all

501
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 3: the modeling kind of whatever that means then'd be able

502
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 3: to be a afl W competition. So yeah, I remember

503
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 3: kind of thinking, all that'll be at the back end

504
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 3: of my career, but then yeah, to have it brought

505
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 3: forward to twenty seventeen was exciting, and yeah, Gil announced

506
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,959
Speaker 3: it off the back of one of a couple of

507
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 3: exhibition games that they'd had to kind of showcase women's

508
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 3: footy and that had helped kind of speed it up,

509
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 3: and to have it brought forward was pretty exciting.

510
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 1: Your major debut in the first round of the inaugural

511
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 1: AFLW competition against Brisbane at Casey Fields. Who did you

512
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: get your first jumper from and how did it feel

513
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: to put it on for the first time.

514
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 3: Oh, I think I'm shocking at these fun little details

515
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 3: of who and that kind of thing.

516
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually a hard question.

517
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 3: I'm always impressed when people can rattle off all those

518
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 3: little detail whosure stuff I remember. But no, I think

519
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 3: it would have been Nicked, our coach mixed in here,

520
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 3: who's still our coach, and I just couldn't speak more

521
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 3: highly of him. So it was enough. It would have been,

522
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 3: I'm sure, and honor to have received my jumper from him.

523
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 3: But no, it was very exciting. It would have been

524
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 3: at our jumper presentation the first ever won, so there's

525
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 3: incredible excitement in the room. But yeah, I still remember

526
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 3: putting it on for that first game. You've grown up

527
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 3: loving AFL footy and following it and now have an

528
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 3: opportunity to go out and play and just to look

529
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 3: down and see a real AFL jumper with the AFL

530
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 3: logo on it. Yeah, I'll never forget it.

531
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: You're also an ambassador for Toyotas Good for Footy Gear

532
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: grants and you had the chance to go and visit

533
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: a few local footy clubs and present girls with their

534
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: very own jumpers. How did it for you to give

535
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,479
Speaker 1: these girls their jumpers and how did they feel when

536
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: they received them?

537
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 3: Oh, it's always so special. It's one of the you know,

538
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 3: the real highlights that I get, whether it's just walking

539
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 3: around on a weekend and seeing the amount of girls

540
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 3: playing the game now in parks all over the place,

541
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 3: or presenting jumpers teams of girls. Like I grew up

542
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 3: as one out, the only girl in the team wearing

543
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 3: like a big old bull and footage jumper that didn't

544
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 3: fit me, but it didn't really matter in my young mind.

545
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 3: But I now see the impact that it could have

546
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 3: on so many young girls and just their confidence in

547
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 3: going out and playing and feeling like they belong in

548
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: the sport. So yeah, to see a young girl's team

549
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 3: fully hitted up in their uniform is pretty special and

550
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 3: something that I'm always so proud of to have seen

551
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 3: how far Footi's come in that period of time is

552
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 3: pretty pretty awesome. Yeah, how is it received? I think

553
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 3: it's a bit dependent on the age group, to be honest, Like,

554
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 3: it's awesome with older women. I think they understand the

555
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 3: gravity of it as well. But it's almost equally cool

556
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 3: that the young girls that you give them to are

557
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 3: just like, yeah, here I am, I'm playing footing and

558
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 3: I belong. Like there's a sense of just I don't

559
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 3: know if entitlement's the right word, but I say that

560
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 3: if it is the right word in the most positive

561
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 3: way possible.

562
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: H I love that.

563
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: I'm glad that these ten year old just grab it

564
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 3: and own it and feel like it's their There isn't

565
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 3: this sense of, look how far we've come and how

566
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 3: great is it that we now have this opportunity, Like,

567
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 3: let's hope that the generations from now on just feel

568
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 3: like it's normal and yeah, standard I.

569
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: Love that comparison between the women receiving it. It means

570
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: more to them because they've been through the experience of

571
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: not having things like that. And if I think about

572
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: where I hope women's sport gets to as a whole,

573
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: that's my hope, right that the next generation of kids

574
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: come through. And I think entitlement is kind of a

575
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: cool word because not in the negative sense, but it's like, yeah,

576
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: of course I get one of these because I'm a

577
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: girl playing footy in and that's just how it works.

578
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, like a deep sense of belonging that they have

579
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 3: rather than having to convinced anyone of that or would

580
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 3: be grateful that they've got a chance to belong. But

581
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 3: let's drop all that and just belong.

582
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Speaker 2: Now for a quick halftime break.

583
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: This episode is brought to you by Toyota's Good for

584
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: Footy Gear grants. Toyota are very proud to support female

585
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,719
Speaker 1: footy teams around Australia and in the twenty twenty one

586
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: twenty two season gave another one hundred teams brand new

587
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: uniforms designed specifically for female players. It's just a small

588
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: way that Toyota can help women and girls playing footy

589
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: for years to come. In February twenty nineteen, you gave

590
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: birth to twins.

591
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 3: This is a bit of a worry, but I was like, twenty.

592
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: Nineteen, what's what's that?

593
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: I should I should have quized you this and tell

594
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: me what happened In February twenty nineteen.

595
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 3: That would have been worry if I had come up

596
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 3: with it, But yeah, go.

597
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: Ahead of being a female athlete, it's a totally different

598
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: thing to have to juggle when you're a male athlete.

599
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: If you with your partner give birth, it's a different story.

600
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: You don't have to take time away. How was that

601
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: process of mentally dealing with stepping away from the game

602
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: for pregnancy.

603
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 3: Oh, the rollercoaster? Yeah, was it part of the plan?

604
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 3: I was. I'm pretty spontaneous for the person, which is yeah,

605
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: good and bad. Good in this sense because I think

606
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 3: you're right, like if I think if yees, I thought

607
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 3: too much about it, there would be so many reasons

608
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 3: why not do And I guess an element of risk

609
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 3: and yeah, giving something up always played on my mind.

610
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was kind of a period of time

611
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 3: in the off season where other priorities kind of took over.

612
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: And yeah, I honestly didn't put I'm trying to say

613
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 3: this in the right way. To say I didn't put

614
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 3: a lot of time and thought into it is it's

615
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,719
Speaker 3: a bit wild, But I don't know. I just it

616
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 3: was just a time in my life where I was

617
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 3: taking some time away from footy, and that priority kind

618
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 3: of just shot to the top, and it was kind

619
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 3: of a good thing because I'm always glad it happened

620
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 3: that way, and I didn't go down the path of

621
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 3: overthinking it because I might not have made that decision.

622
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's life changing physically, emotionally, mentally, and the

623
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 3: best part, like, I'm so so glad we made that decision.

624
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 3: We got two cute, little, beautiful babies that are the

625
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 3: best things that have ever happened to us. And for

626
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 3: all the things that I couldn't control and that were

627
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 3: underpredictable with childbirth, I've been okay and here I am

628
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 3: back playing, but it's been an absolute roller coaster the

629
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 3: whole journey of it. I remember when I first felt pregnant,

630
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 3: like obviously initially elation, but then as the weeks rolled

631
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 3: on and it kind of dawned on me or really

632
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 3: set in that I wasn't going to be playing footy,

633
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 3: it was this weird element of guilt and having to

634
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 3: tell my teammates, Like obviously their first reaction was utter excitement,

635
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 3: but for some reason I felt like I was letting

636
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 3: them down a bit because I was the captain at

637
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 3: the time and wasn't going to be able to play. Yeah,

638
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 3: it was. It's a funny emotional rollercoaster going through that.

639
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 3: But yeah, the more pregnant I got, the kind of

640
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 3: easier it was to accept that you weren't playing because

641
00:33:55,240 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 3: it just became so physically impossible. But yeah, the journey back,

642
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 3: I'm kind of glad that I just made the commitment

643
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 3: that I was going to get back, because I think

644
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 3: if I'd left it up to like I thought it

645
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 3: was locked in and had made that commitment and then

646
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 3: just my natural personality to be determined got me through.

647
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 3: But it was wild to get it, like trying to

648
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 3: deal with twins and getting yourself physically physically right to

649
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 3: get back and play. It was crazy. But as time

650
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 3: goes on it kind of gotten easier.

651
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 1: I do want to ask that question, but to step

652
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: away from footy for a second, what was it like

653
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: to give birth to two beautiful little human beings that

654
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 1: you were then responsible for?

655
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 3: God, that is a big question. It was awesome, Like

656
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 3: it's amazing just that your body can. Yeah, it's a miracle. Really,

657
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 3: your body couldn't throw a baby, let alone two. Yeah,

658
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 3: so empowering, so special to have two little people that

659
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 3: you've created. Yeah, and then so yeah, to then watch

660
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 3: them grow and see their little personalities come out, like,

661
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 3: it's just amazing if they're our greatest achievement and creation

662
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 3: is hard to kind of put into words, but yeah, yeah,

663
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 3: I kind of don't know how to describe it properly.

664
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 3: But the physical side of it was insane as well.

665
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 3: I still when I lay on the massage table to

666
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 3: get treatments, like I can feel my as ify stern

667
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 3: them points out now because it just got dislodged from

668
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: being pregnant. It never went back to normal, so yeah,

669
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 3: like that's how my bones moved and never back to normal. Yeah,

670
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: and just crazy the physical transformation at that. A caesar

671
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 3: because yeah, it was pretty high risk pregnancy in the end,

672
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 3: like roy our little has a heart condition, and Sylvie

673
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 3: was breeding everything that it was kind of like a

674
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 3: big mix of everything that is, I'm a midwife by

675
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 3: my day job prior to getting involved in footy and

676
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 3: now commentary, but yeah, it was like everything you wouldn't

677
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 3: have wished by we kind of got. So it was, Yeah,

678
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 3: I had to have a caesar because of all those reasons.

679
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 3: That was a long recovery but it's just incredible what

680
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 3: your body can do. And now I kind of, you know,

681
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: there's like a little club in afl W now of

682
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 3: all the mums or expectant mums kind of reached out

683
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 3: and wish each other well in the comeback. But it

684
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 3: is amazing what your body can do. And I wouldn't

685
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 3: I'd say that any AFLW player or athlete, like, don't

686
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 3: let it hold you back, because your body is capable

687
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 3: of amazing things you have the right support.

688
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: I'm interested in this, this balance of the career as

689
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: a midwife as well. So it reminded me because I'm

690
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: a physio. I'm a qualified physio. I don't work as

691
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: well at the moment, but sometimes when I'm playing footy

692
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: and if I have like a niggle or if I

693
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: like have a bit of an injury in my head,

694
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, it could be this, this, this or this,

695
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: and sometimes I'm like, I wish I just didn't know.

696
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: Was that a similar experience for you being a good

697
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: wife giving birth to these twins, Almost wishing there were

698
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: some things you just could just relax and just let

699
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: it all happen without worrying about it.

700
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 3: No, I sort of I was sort of glad for

701
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 3: the knowledge. I think, like for me, knowledge was power. Yeah,

702
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 3: I like to know, so it was it was never

703
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 3: crippling or a bad thing that I knew stuff. I

704
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 3: don't think. It kind of gave me confidence because for

705
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: everything that I knew that was unpredictable and you know,

706
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 3: could could potentially go wrong with pregnancy and childbirth, I

707
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 3: also knew what the amazing was doctor capable of and

708
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 3: what to do if things popped up. So yeah, there

709
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 3: was a level of reassurance that came from knowing me.

710
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: Every week on the show, I got a question from

711
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: a six year old and from my grandma, So I

712
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: might start with the question from my granny.

713
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 4: Hi, Daisy, I do admire your drive to play AFLW

714
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 4: now that you are a mum to Sylvia and Roy.

715
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 4: How has that drive changed over the years.

716
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 3: Oh, how has it changed? Well, it's at its core,

717
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 3: it's probably pretty similar, which yeah, some people might be

718
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 3: surprised by. Like I remember getting asked. I think it

719
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 3: was when I was first coming back play my first

720
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 3: game back in the twenty twenty season. You know, how

721
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 3: does it feel? And you know you must be thinking

722
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 3: about Roy and Stelvie it must really motivate you, and

723
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 3: it was a bit blunt, but I was like, well,

724
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 3: it sort of doesn't like I'm out here trying to win.

725
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 3: The motivations are similar that you're a competitor. You want

726
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 3: to play footy at the highest level, compete against the

727
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 3: best and try and improve and win. So that motivation

728
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 3: is still at the core of why I play. But

729
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 3: it's funny my perspective has certainly changed and whether that

730
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 3: there was a definite shift post kids, coming back after

731
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 3: having Silvin Roy, but maybe it just comes a bit

732
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 3: with age as well. But I certainly have a greater

733
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 3: sense for just enjoying all the little moments along the way,

734
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 3: because yeah, I think having that year off where I

735
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 3: wasn't allowed to play was a good little sample of

736
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 3: what life's like without footy, and you kind of realize

737
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 3: how great it is to be a part of a

738
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 3: team and to go out there every week into battle

739
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 3: and trying to win a game of footy like that

740
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 3: that cycle of the week or any sporting team, I'd

741
00:39:55,000 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 3: imagine it's pretty special. So yeah, nowadays I certainly find

742
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 3: enjoyment in more of the little moment during the week,

743
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 3: and it's an outlet now as well. Like whereas once

744
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 3: I might have come to training and thought, you know,

745
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 3: the demands, work hard, and the physical side of it

746
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 3: was just awful. All of the training. Now it's kind

747
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 3: of like, well, this is a treat, but this is

748
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 3: a luxury idiot out of the house and not running

749
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 3: around after twins for three hours, So don't waste the opportunity.

750
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 3: I actually enjoy it, even though at times it gets

751
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 3: hard and physically you don't want to do it. Yeah,

752
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 3: it's given me that perfective of this is a privilege

753
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 3: really because yeah, all the support that I have to

754
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 3: be able to do it, whether it's been at home

755
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 3: looking after kids or both our moms, Yeah, we wouldn't

756
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 3: be able to do what we do without their support.

757
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 3: So it pops into my head of like, you know,

758
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 3: don't trudge around just going through the motions, Like think

759
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 3: about all that it's taken to get here tonight and

760
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:02,959
Speaker 3: go and make the most of it.

761
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: It sounds like you've got an incredible support network, and

762
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: it's an evolving space. We're seeing more female athletes giving

763
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: birth and making this comeback to elite sport. What more

764
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: do you think needs to be done in that space

765
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: to help that transition to return.

766
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 3: Through my experience and then talking to others, I reckon

767
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 3: it'd be great if there was like a centralized resource

768
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 3: of you know, I know every person and every pregnancy

769
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 3: in situation will be ultimately different, but to have a

770
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 3: guide or a resource or a variety of resources that

771
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 3: pregnant athletes could utilize, because I know there was just

772
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 3: a lot of unknown when I first became pregnant, and

773
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 3: that was for me as a midwife, but in terms

774
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 3: for the club, like it was the first time they'd

775
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 3: ever had a pregnant athlete on their list, and it

776
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 3: was kind of like there was a lot of reluctant

777
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 3: to push kind of thing. Whereas now, in hindsight, I

778
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 3: feel like I missed an opportunity to kind of keep

779
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 3: training physically or at a certain level. So I think

780
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 3: with the right resources and support, you could yea make

781
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 3: sure that you stay connected and do what you can

782
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 3: physically so that you don't leave yourself with too much

783
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 3: work to do at the back end. I think if

784
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 3: that was shared throughout the league, it would be even

785
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 3: more powerful. And then the same at the back end,

786
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 3: like once you're returning to running and returning to contact

787
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 3: and that kind of thing. There's good female physios and

788
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 3: that kind of thing out there, which my club physio

789
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 3: would come with me to kind of learn from and

790
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 3: support me through that more niche kind of period of time.

791
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, to have something that was like readily accessible

792
00:42:55,280 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 3: and known about would be I think really helpful. And

793
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 3: then yeah, just resource sharing, sharing experiences and different ideas

794
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 3: that different clubs have done. Once you know you have

795
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 3: kids again, it was similar once because I'd sped Roy

796
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 3: and Silbey. So juggling all of that in and around

797
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 3: training was yeah, logistically picky, and a lot of it

798
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 3: because you're doing it for the first time. And I

799
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 3: don't know if it's just my natural personality or if

800
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 3: others have felt this, but you just don't you don't

801
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 3: want any special treatment or you don't want to be

802
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 3: a pain in anyone, but so you sort of don't

803
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 3: want to ask for anything. But if it was within

804
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 3: this resource that I'm talking about, it just had recommendations

805
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: as to how you can help with that kind of thing,

806
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 3: it would give you a reference to kind of get

807
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 3: that up and running without having to ask. But a

808
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 3: lot of it it wasn't until after that I was like, oh, yeah,

809
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 3: I could have done with some help with that. Like

810
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 3: you sort of just in doom mode and survival mode,

811
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 3: you don't really know what would help you until yeah,

812
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 3: it's helping you to.

813
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: Another big element of your career has been moving into

814
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: the commentary space. You're very well known for your work,

815
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: your expert opinion and analysis, and what I love seeing

816
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: is is I love watching and your clear knowledge and

817
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: understanding of the game and the way that you can

818
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: analyze it and break it down. What I also love

819
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: is if I'm on Twitter and I see comments across

820
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: the board, it's very well recognized that you know what

821
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: you're talking about. And I think for a woman to

822
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: come into a space like that, that's a traditionally male

823
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: dominated game. It's a traditionally male dominated space to have

824
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: male commentators and males analyzing the game. What was that

825
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: experience like for you to step into that space? Was

826
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: there fear associated with it when you first started?

827
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, a lot. Yeah. I don't think any kind

828
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 3: of public speaking or you live ever natural, So yeah,

829
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 3: there's just the normal fear and nerves that attached to that,

830
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 3: which I'm sure most people can relate to. But then, yeah,

831
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 3: as a female coming into a male dominated space where

832
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 3: there hadn't been a lot before you. I mean there's

833
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 3: been some Callie Underwood's been doing it for a long

834
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 3: time in a slightly different role because she's a play

835
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 3: by play commentator, but Sam Lane was doing it. But yeah,

836
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 3: there hadn't been a lot of women in footing and

837
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 3: particularly in an analyst role. So yeah, to have that

838
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 3: to be a sort of face of change comes with

839
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 3: added pressures on top of just live TV and live

840
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 3: sport in particular, So yeah, it was it was hard,

841
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 3: like over analyzing everything you say, Yeah, fighting with not

842
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 3: only trying to convince other people that you belong there

843
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 3: and you know what you're talking about, but trying to

844
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 3: convince yourself that you belong there because you haven't seen

845
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 3: it growing up. I mean again, I've described and don't

846
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 3: need to go through how footy mad I was. But

847
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 3: at no point did I ever consider a career in

848
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 3: broadcasting because I just hadn't seen a female do that job,

849
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 3: so I didn't see myself as that. But I used

850
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 3: to sit there on the couch with Dad. We'd turn

851
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 3: the volume down on the TV with headphones like you're wearing,

852
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 3: because he was an error. He was a pilot, so

853
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 3: we used and it had the microphone and all, and

854
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 3: we'd turned the volume down on the TV and do

855
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 3: a whole game, commentating it and taking ourselves very seriously.

856
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 3: So that was me as a kid. But yeah, never

857
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 3: considered that as a career because I just hadn't seen it.

858
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 3: So then through playing and meeting people at the AFL

859
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 3: and starting to create a bit of a network, and

860
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 3: also just the changing times that yeah, I think yeah,

861
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 3: through Gills Pillmithloughlin's leadership kind of started putting pressure on

862
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 3: the broadcasters that if they're trying to attract a more

863
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 3: diverse FANA with the push into women's foody, then we

864
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 3: need to diversify the broadcast. So that's kind of where

865
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 3: the opportunity came about. But yeah, then to sit there

866
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 3: and do it, there's no real media training other than

867
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 3: to sit there, do it badly. I'm sure you know there,

868
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 3: do it badly. You know, try and pretend that you're

869
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 3: not dying on the inside, get off and go through

870
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 3: the painstaking task of actually listening to yourself back and

871
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 3: then trying to get better with a bit of feedback

872
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 3: and then repeat and then to do it in the

873
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 3: social media world with what I said that you're a

874
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 3: face of change, Like, I'm glad you're seeing positive now

875
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 3: because it wasn't always that way. Yeah. Absolutely, And I

876
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 3: was just I was starting a new job as well,

877
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 3: so I probably wasn't very good at it. How could

878
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 3: I have been? But yeah, I'm also grateful for the

879
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 3: way that both Channel seven and SI and WHO the

880
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 3: radio network that I've worked for, that they've kind of

881
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 3: built my capabilities up. So I think it's been tricky

882
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 3: at times because and this is not just in sport,

883
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 3: but I think in a lot of different industries people

884
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 3: want change and are excited by change, but it's also

885
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 3: news and they want to be seen to be part

886
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 3: of the change. So like promoting that this is our

887
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 3: first female whatever, it actually adds a bit of pressure.

888
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 3: So I'm grateful for the way that they didn't kind

889
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 3: of just throw me in the deep end and pat

890
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 3: themselves on the back just for having a female doing it,

891
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 3: Like they were very mindful to build my capabilities slowly

892
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 3: and not kind of add too much of that pressure.

893
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 3: And even more recently, like I did the Grand Final,

894
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 3: this year AFL Men's Gram Final and it was the

895
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,720
Speaker 3: first time they'd had a female through like special comments

896
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 3: from the box in a grand fine and there was

897
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 3: no fan theory around it, which I really appreciated because

898
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 3: I just wanted to go and do a good job.

899
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 3: So I have been grateful for that. They've just put

900
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 3: me into roles that they thought I was capable of

901
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 3: and serve at different stages rather than rushed it for

902
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 3: the sake of being first or trying to look good

903
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 3: kind of thing. I think it's helped.

904
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: I love the image of you as a little kid

905
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: with headphones like this. You probably looked a lot cuter

906
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: than I did right now, But have you had enough

907
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: time to process And it might be something post retirement,

908
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: the power of the role that you are now in

909
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: as a woman playing football, but also that you are

910
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: now on the television for kids like yours to see

911
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: women occupying those spaces.

912
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 3: Probably not fully, but I'm aware of it, like I

913
00:49:55,760 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 3: do draw on that a lot, even it's kind of

914
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 3: like my wife for doing it. And yeah, there's times

915
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 3: like with my introverted personality and that I had a

916
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 3: career that I loved in Midwiffrey and with some of

917
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 3: the pressures that we're talking about and some of the

918
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 3: criticism that I've gotten along the way, because you are

919
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 3: a face of change or I am a face of change.

920
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 3: I've kind of used that as my it is my wife,

921
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 3: and it's kind of what gets me through those moments

922
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 3: of you know what I'm sow had of getting abused

923
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 3: on social media, or I can't be bothered with this

924
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 3: pressure anymore. Like when my mind goes there, I think

925
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 3: to myself, you know, imagine telling my ten year old

926
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 3: self that I had this opportunity and didn't do it,

927
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 3: Or imagine you know all those girls out there that

928
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 3: are looking and seeing that they can because I'm sitting there,

929
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 3: like if I'm achieving that, if there's a little girl

930
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 3: sitting out there in her lounge room thinking I can

931
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 3: do what Daisy's doing and I can do it better, well,

932
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 3: then I'm doing my job. So I kind of overlay

933
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 3: that with any criticism that I get from the outer

934
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 3: from people who you know, I don't actually need their feedback. Yeah,

935
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 3: I sort of overlay that, and it protects me from

936
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 3: any real criticism because I say something that they don't

937
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 3: like about how a team's defending or about their team

938
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 3: or about this player or that. I don't think it's

939
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 3: you know, there's still those little girls out there watching

940
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 3: and thinking that they can do it. So yeah, it's

941
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 3: important to me, but I'm not Yeah, I don't kind

942
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 3: of sit and think about it much, just always on

943
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 3: to the next thing. But it's pretty cool.

944
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: I've got the question from six year old Freeda. Hi, Daisy,

945
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: do you get more nervous before playing again or commentating

946
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: a game of footing?

947
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 3: Thanks Frida. Both. I get nervous for both for different reasons.

948
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 3: Probably commentating, to be honest, I think yeah, because it's new,

949
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 3: Like footy is something that I've always done playing footy,

950
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 3: so yeah, it's a bit more natural for me, I guess,

951
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 3: to go out and play footy. But if it's a

952
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 3: big game, I don't know, I get pretty nervous with

953
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 3: that as well. But yeah, with commentating, yeah yeah, I

954
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 3: mean the play does the talking like you're sort of

955
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 3: a very small part of it. So I try and

956
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 3: remind myself that now, like I've probably just gotten better

957
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 3: at finding little tools to help my nerves with commentary

958
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 3: as well, like any job or anything that you do,

959
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 3: just practice. But Yeah, I used to get very nervous

960
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 3: many sleepless nights for having to do commentary, and I

961
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 3: used to do so much preparation because I just that's

962
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 3: my go to in everything that I do, is to

963
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 3: you know, do as much preparation as you possibly can,

964
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 3: and you just can't fail because you couldn't have done anymore.

965
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 3: That's kind of been my way in footy up until kids,

966
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 3: because I can't use that method anymore. But yeah, in

967
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 3: commentary it was the same, but it probably worked against

968
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 3: me a little bit because I would have so much

969
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 3: information in my head and I would have spent so

970
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 3: much time thinking about it. That kind of attracts from

971
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 3: your ability to just watch the game in front of

972
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 3: you that you've watched your whole life. So probably just

973
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 3: time and practice has enabled me to work out just

974
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 3: how much time that I need to spend analyzing and

975
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 3: how much I need to just let it go and

976
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 3: watch what's in front of me. So yeah, that's been

977
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 3: a good space. I probably didn't It was only into

978
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 3: last year or the year before that I probably got

979
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 3: to that point of knowing how much was enough for

980
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 3: me and been a lot better since then.

981
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 2: It's a nice place to be.

982
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: This is a hard question, but what does a quality

983
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: look like for you, whether in women's football or in

984
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: the media space?

985
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 2: What what do you want to see happen moving forward?

986
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 3: Oh, what does it look like? I guess just that

987
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 3: any person has an opportunity to work and be represented

988
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 3: in whatever it is, whether it's playing or commentary. Yeah,

989
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 3: so that anyone out there can kind of be see

990
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 3: themselves would be a great place to be equality wise,

991
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 3: and that's not just for gender, but yeah, all kinds

992
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 3: of diversity. I think we've got a long way to

993
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 3: go still, and we're definitely improving and getting there. But

994
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 3: I think because foot is everyone's game, it would be

995
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 3: good when we get to a place where everyone who

996
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 3: connects with it can can see themselves and hear themselves

997
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 3: in the way it's played or broadcast. That'd be a

998
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 3: good place.

999
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: That would be a very good place. I finish every

1000
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: episode with three would you rather questions? Number one, would

1001
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 1: you rather win a flag with the D's this year

1002
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: or watch both of your kids win premierships in twenty years.

1003
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 3: Time you've gone, you can't ask that.

1004
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to take it your flag.

1005
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 3: I think I'm taking it this year because just let

1006
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 3: me explain.

1007
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 5: Okay, please, These kind of questions need some time to explain,

1008
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 5: because in twenty years time, say they're twenty three, they

1009
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 5: might have won, they might have come into whatever competition

1010
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 5: they're playing in, in whatever sport they might have already

1011
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 5: won for on the trot, Okay, great, So for them

1012
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 5: to get the fifth in twenty years time when they're

1013
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 5: twenty three, like, that's just greedy.

1014
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might be my only one.

1015
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll understand when they grow up, they'll understand

1016
00:55:58,640 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: your decision.

1017
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 2: Two.

1018
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: Playing in a Grand final, would you rather to win

1019
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: the game? Kick a set shot from thirty out in

1020
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: front of goals or snap it from the pocket?

1021
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 3: Set shot from thirty out?

1022
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 4: Really?

1023
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 3: Yeah? More like suspense and anticipation or is it a

1024
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 3: set shots now?

1025
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 2: For yep?

1026
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 3: Okay, so equal amounts of suspense build up Now, I'm

1027
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 3: still taking the set shot because I haven't played forward

1028
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 3: like since, like I said, Out of the Square Potato

1029
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,479
Speaker 3: Cake Eating Girl and the Voice Team, if you haven't

1030
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 3: listened to the whole episode, you're not going to know

1031
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 3: I'm talking about other than then, like this this season

1032
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 3: is the first season I've played forward so set shot

1033
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 3: kicking the meat and potato is set shot. Kicking from

1034
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 3: thirty meters out is not something that I've been particularly

1035
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,919
Speaker 3: renowned for around these parts. Okay, all right, so it's

1036
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 3: something I've put a lot of work into, so it

1037
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 3: would be very satisfying to just nail the the one

1038
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:05,240
Speaker 3: that you should kick. I like that thirty directly front. Okay,

1039
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 3: I like that, and it'd be more me like, let's

1040
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 3: be honest.

1041
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: Number three, would you rather have to watch Bluey or

1042
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: The Wiggles on repeat all day, every day for the

1043
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: rest of your life?

1044
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 2: Hands down, I don't even need to finish the question. No, No,

1045
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 2: I've heard the.

1046
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 3: Wiggles have run out of material some of the stuff

1047
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 3: they're singing about a song the Big Red Power. I'll

1048
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 3: give them that. Dorothy the Dinosaur.

1049
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing. Thank you so much for coming on and

1050
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: having a chat today. I've loved hearing more about your story.

1051
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: I've obviously played against you and seen you from a

1052
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: distance for a number of years, and the role that

1053
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: you've played in pioneering women's footy on both sides of

1054
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: the game, it's been quite incredible. So I've absolutely loved

1055
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: having the chance to sit down and chat with you.

1056
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: So thanks so much for your time, Daisy.

1057
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 3: And thank to you Chloe. You're an inspiration. I don't

1058
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 3: know how you do it across both sports. It makes

1059
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 3: us footy heads look silly, but yeah, thanks also for

1060
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 3: all the work that you're doing with the Female Athlete Projeck.

1061
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 3: I'm wrapping my Oh you got stocks on?

1062
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 2: How good? That's sick.

1063
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 3: I love that I got the Tripolor three pack recently.

1064
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 2: Oh, I love it.

1065
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 3: But yeah, I love all that you're doing and the

1066
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 3: impact that you're having as well.

1067
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much, Thanks so much for listening.

1068
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:29,919
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1069
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,040
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1070
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:36,120
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1071
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,200
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1072
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,080
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1073
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,280
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1074
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,400
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