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Speaker 1: As I mentioned a little earlier, the Anti Independent this

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Speaker 1: morning are revealing more posts which reportedly contained misogynistic, homophobic

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Speaker 1: and extreme right political posts on social media. The Minister

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Speaker 1: Brent Potter has shared or liked in addition to post

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Speaker 1: shared yesterday, including one containing a derogatory slur against gay people,

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Speaker 1: another that's promoted toxic masculinity, and a number of them

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Speaker 1: having a crack at the Labor Party. Now joining us

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Speaker 1: on the line is the Independent member for Ara Lun

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Speaker 1: Robin Lambley. Good morning to you, Robin, Good morning Katie Robin.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of these posts?

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Speaker 2: Well, they're horrific and I just cannot see that this

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Speaker 2: man has a future as a minister or as any

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Speaker 2: part of the Northern Territory Legislative Assembly. These posts were

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Speaker 2: put up over quite a long period of time, about

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Speaker 2: six or seven years twenty thirteen to twenty nineteen, so

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Speaker 2: there was a systemic and he was an adult. Like

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Speaker 2: people are seemed to excusing him in part because he

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Speaker 2: was a young person, but he was. It was between

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Speaker 2: the ages of twenty five and thirty one that he

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Speaker 2: put up these racist, homophobic and misogynistic posts. So look,

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Speaker 2: he has to own up he has to take full responsibility,

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Speaker 2: and like the former Chief Minister, he has to fall

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Speaker 2: on his thought. I just cannot see any alternative because otherwise, Katie,

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Speaker 2: it's going to impact on them all. I mean, he's

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Speaker 2: deeply offended three quarters of his team who are women,

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Speaker 2: who are Aboriginal and who are gay, and that makes

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Speaker 2: up most of those people in the Labor Caucus.

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Speaker 1: Robin, I mean, how do you think the remainder of

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Speaker 1: the Labor Caucus would be reacting to these these posts

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Speaker 1: and what he's put on social media over the years.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think they'd be very, very disappointed at the least.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's not only offended them morally, ethically and

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Speaker 2: very personally, but he's also put their entire team in

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Speaker 2: a very bad position going into the election. He came

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Speaker 2: out just last week and gave us all a wonderful

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Speaker 2: speech about how there's no place for racism in Northern

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Speaker 2: Territory politics in Parliament, how he is appalled by it all,

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Speaker 2: and here he is a week later being found to

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Speaker 2: have put up multiple posts over multiple years. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's not just a sort of off thing or a

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Speaker 2: case of a one off case of bad judgment. Years

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Speaker 2: ago The most recent posts were as Reasons twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Apparently, So, Robin, I don't disagree with you. I don't

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Speaker 1: disagree with you. I mean I think when you're posting

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Speaker 1: homophobic things, when you're posting, if you're sharing racist things,

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Speaker 1: I don't agree with it. I wouldn't do it either.

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Speaker 1: But I am going to say, you know, from twenty

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Speaker 1: years ago, ten years ago, like I would like to think,

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Speaker 1: I haven't shared anything that will come back to bite me.

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Speaker 1: But you know, and I never use the end word.

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Speaker 1: I never call people, you know, I never say derogatory

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Speaker 1: things towards people that are homosexual. But my views might

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Speaker 1: be very different to Joe blows down the street. So

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Speaker 1: I mean, are we all sort of at risk here

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Speaker 1: of something that we've maybe shared ten years ago coming

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Speaker 2: Well, potentially, but we have to live with that, Katie.

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Speaker 2: And when you're an adult, and he was twenty five

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Speaker 2: when he first started putting these posts up, you have

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Speaker 2: to take responsibility for your actions, whatever they may be,

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Speaker 2: and if things come back to bite you, then so

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Speaker 2: be it. We're not just talking about any Joe blogs.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about the Minister the Northern Territory Minister for Police,

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Speaker 2: the Northern Territory Minister for Police, having a substantial history

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Speaker 2: of posting highly offensive posts on his Facebook page. Look,

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Speaker 2: there's no way out of this for him, and I

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Speaker 2: just cannot see how his colleagues consider in the same

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Speaker 2: chamber as him. He is a disgrace, He has disappointed

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Speaker 2: himself and his team and he has to go.

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Speaker 1: Robin, how do you think the actual Labor Party is

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Speaker 1: going to respond to this, right, because obviously we're talking

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Speaker 1: about the Labor Caucus, which is the team that sits

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Speaker 1: up there in Parliament. But how do you think the

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Speaker 1: rest of the party is going to respond to this

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Speaker 1: whole situation?

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Speaker 2: Well, though they will feel completely conflicted, confused. They've probably

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Speaker 2: spent the last forty eight hours thinking trying to come

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Speaker 2: up with creative ways of rescuing him him, looking at

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Speaker 2: every single alternative there is to sacking him, what the

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Speaker 2: implications are to sacking him, And don't forget, in the

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Speaker 2: last sittings we installed a new speaker. Darren Young is

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Speaker 2: the new speaker, the most inappropriate person probably in the

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Speaker 2: chamber if become speaker, because there's no one else. And

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Speaker 2: at the time I said, well, it's possible. There'll be

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Speaker 2: another reshuffle in a couple of weeks and there'll be

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Speaker 2: promoted into a minister's position. All these things are now

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Speaker 2: back on the table. Another reshuffle, another new minister appointed,

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Speaker 2: all these changes just months out from an election, and

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Speaker 2: the lasting labor needs well, it's.

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Speaker 1: The last thing the Northern territory needs. It's the last

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Speaker 1: thing territory ins need. And Robin just to share a

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Speaker 1: couple of couple of messages that I'm receiving this morning,

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Speaker 1: because we're getting a real mixed bag here. There's one

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Speaker 1: here that says, slow New Tuesday, Katie, what an absolute

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Speaker 1: croc of shit social media from over a decade. Give

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Speaker 1: us a break, Katie. No one cares. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: one of the messages that I've got here. Another one that.

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Speaker 2: He isn't over a decade. These he was continuing to

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Speaker 2: post these offensive posts right up until twenty nineteen. That's

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Speaker 2: only four or five years ago or five years ago,

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Speaker 2: rob another one started.

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Speaker 1: Another one I've got here from Sam. It says, hey, Katie,

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Speaker 1: how are you? I'm not really keen on all this

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Speaker 1: attacking politicians, pass or these shares. I just want the

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Speaker 1: politicians to get on with their jobs and making it

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Speaker 1: safe for us territorians and making youth have consequences for

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Speaker 1: their actions.

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Speaker 2: Look, I couldn't agree more with this guy that guy.

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Speaker 2: But you know, this could all be cleared up, so

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Speaker 2: when we all found up to Parliament on Tuesday morning,

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Speaker 2: it's all done and dusted. Pot is not there, We've

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Speaker 2: got a new person in as police Minister, and life

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Speaker 2: goes on. It's the last thing I want to do

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Speaker 2: is spend my time talking about some idiot that puts

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Speaker 2: and beyond. I mean, it's just embarrassing. It's more shameful

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Speaker 2: stories about the NT politicians talking about politicians. It really

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Speaker 2: is quite unacceptable. Who would step in?

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Speaker 1: I mean, who would step in as the police minister?

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Speaker 1: Because to me, if he goes, the only acceptable option

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Speaker 1: here is the Chief Minister evil all stepping in as

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Speaker 1: the police minister.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're probably right. I did think Kate Warden. I mean,

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Speaker 2: she's a worn out old police minister who they got

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Speaker 2: rid of a few months back. They could bring her

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Speaker 2: back in I mean, desperate times, Katie. But you know,

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Speaker 2: we're not desperate enough to have someone with this sort

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Speaker 2: of history remain in the job. Territorians deserve better and

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Speaker 2: we really aren't at the point where we need a

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Speaker 2: person with this sort of history sitting in a top job.

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Speaker 1: Robin, what do you reckon's going to happen at nine

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Speaker 1: p forty five this morning when he fronts the media.

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you think he's going to step down?

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Speaker 2: Well, he's as bold as brass, he's a smooth talker,

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Speaker 2: he's got an answer for everything. He's a liar. He

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Speaker 2: hasn't told the truth about who he is and what

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Speaker 2: he is in his history. He will try, probably desperately

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Speaker 2: to further dismiss it and try and pin it on

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Speaker 2: something else or someone else. I'd imagine he probably won't

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Speaker 2: step down. But from where I'm sitting, I think Evil

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Speaker 2: Laula has one option, and that is to just get

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Speaker 2: rid of him, delete him completely from the Parliament, from

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Speaker 2: the Northern Territory Legislative Assembly.

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Speaker 1: Robert, I don't know if they're in a situation where

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Speaker 1: they can at this point, Hey, so close to the election.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying, you know, stay on his minister, but

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Speaker 1: what do they do asked him from the party, and

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Speaker 1: then we wind up like you know, people are getting

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Speaker 1: to the point now where they're like, we'd rather go

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Speaker 1: to an election early.

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Speaker 2: Well, that just won't happen. That's the government's decision. But

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Speaker 2: don't forget over the years, Labor have got rid of

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Speaker 2: four of them men for doing a lot less than this,

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Speaker 2: Mark Turner for his sex scandal, sex cocaine scandal alleged.

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Speaker 2: And then you had the three amigos. You had Kenny

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Speaker 2: Vows and Scotty McConnell and what's his name, I can't

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Speaker 2: think of his name, Jeff Collins, all thrown out on

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Speaker 2: their ears because they upset Michael Garner. I mean, they

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Speaker 2: did nothing like this. They learning Apart from Mark, there's

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Speaker 2: a question over what happened there. But the other three,

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Speaker 2: all they did was upset poor little Michael Gunner. He

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Speaker 2: threw his toys out and threw them out as well.

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Speaker 2: Look at this bloke, he's offended. All in sundry, it's

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Speaker 2: all in black and white. It's all been uncovered. He

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Speaker 2: tried to hide it all. He dumped his posts and

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Speaker 2: never never put his hand up and took responsibility for

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Speaker 2: years of these posts. It really is quite incredible. And look,

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Speaker 2: you know Labor said they wouldn't do this. I think

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Speaker 1: Well, tell you what we have got. We've got so

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Speaker 1: many messages coming through and there's a real mix bag,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of people saying the trouble is Polly's

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Speaker 1: not getting on with their jobs. And you know, people

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Speaker 1: are pretty upset I think at the moment in terms

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Speaker 1: of as we have been for such a long period

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Speaker 1: of time when it comes to issues like crime. You know,

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Speaker 1: you've spoken at lengths about those issues in Alice Springs

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Speaker 1: this week. Up here in the top end, you know,

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Speaker 1: we've seen kids as young as seven years old involved

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Speaker 1: You know, that's the kind of stuff that we are

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Speaker 1: absolutely concerned about it at this point in time.

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Speaker 2: But as the police minister, we're talking about the police

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Speaker 2: minister here. You're absolutely right. I couldn't agree with you

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Speaker 2: more And that's more reason why it needs to go.

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Speaker 2: Crime is the number one problem front and center of

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Speaker 2: people's minds and for this blow to be sorting it

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Speaker 2: out on our behalf is just not going to work anymore.

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Speaker 1: Well, Robin Lamley, I always appreciate your time. Winning you're

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Speaker 1: back on Monday.

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Speaker 2: Yep, I'm doing Monday all right.

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Speaker 1: We will talk to you when you're in town. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for your time this morning. Thank you,