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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken, your dose of the hottest

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Speaker 1: influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Amy

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Speaker 1: Torbert and I'm joined by my sisters and journalists Kate

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Speaker 1: and Sophie. On today's show, Talia Skaanes engages a lawyer

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Speaker 1: following her breakup. Another Math's wine glass controversy Byron Bays

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Speaker 1: drops on Netflix and.

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Speaker 2: Is this the end of Jagged? But First?

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Speaker 1: Followers are speculating that Talia Skaines has taken a swipe

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Speaker 1: at her ex boyfriend Mitch Third during her recent YouTube

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Speaker 1: video Now Sophie. Although she didn't directly mention Mitch's name,

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Speaker 1: followers are convinced she's throwing shade at him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, Amy.

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Speaker 1: In her most recent weekly vlog, Tarlia said she wanted

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Speaker 1: to keep it real with her followers and opened up

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Speaker 1: about feeling really overwhelmed at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: She has recently visited Sydney and Newcastle and explained that

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Speaker 1: she was behind on work and had a million and

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Speaker 1: one things to do.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: Amongst the list of things she had to do was

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Speaker 1: visit her lawyer. Here's what Tarlia say said.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I'm super hind on work.

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Speaker 4: I've just gotten home.

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Speaker 5: I've got to go see my lawyer and deal with

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Speaker 5: shit that I just don't want to deal with and

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Speaker 5: I shouldn't have to deal with. Like I said, I've

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Speaker 5: got to go and see my lawyer. Not loo forwarded

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Speaker 5: doing that, but one of those things, unfortunately I have

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Speaker 5: to deal with.

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Speaker 4: You guys would be absolutely.

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Speaker 5: Mind alone if he knew some of the shit that

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Speaker 5: I deal with behind closed doors.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, I've got to go do with that today.

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Speaker 1: It's just one of those things. The shade didn't end there.

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Speaker 1: During the vlog, Talia also told her followers she'd been

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Speaker 1: watching the Netflix documentary The Tinder Swindler. Now that seems

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Speaker 1: innocent enough. However, many thought she was comparing Mitch's behavior

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Speaker 1: to that of The Tinder Swindler himself.

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Speaker 2: Here's what she said.

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Speaker 4: I do feel really bad for the girls, though I

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Speaker 4: know what it's like to be owed a lot of

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Speaker 4: money from someone, so I do really feel bad for them. Also,

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Speaker 4: the part where he's just like, he's so erratic, there's

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Speaker 4: one section of it which you guys will see. One minute,

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Speaker 4: he's full going hand like threatening these chicks, saying all

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Speaker 4: this horrible stuff. You're this, you're that, like threats, like

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Speaker 4: discussing behavior, and then next second he's saying I'm sorry,

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Speaker 4: I love you, like I'm sorry I did that, you know,

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Speaker 4: and just blaming her for his behavior like it's just

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Speaker 4: I know that behavior all too well. So, yeah, kat,

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Speaker 4: it really fucks.

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Speaker 1: Me up about it. When Talia said I know what

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Speaker 1: it's like to be owed a lot of money from someone,

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Speaker 1: she did pull a face during the video, and this

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Speaker 1: has led many to speculate that perhaps she is visiting

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Speaker 1: her lawyer because Mitch owes her money. Now, none of

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Speaker 1: that is confirmed. This is pure speculation at the moment.

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Speaker 1: So Mitch does own Third Fix the label, and Talia

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Speaker 1: joined forces with Mitch to start up Third Fix Collection,

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Speaker 1: where they sold Lounge where they also own a villa

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Speaker 1: in Bali together. So it looks like things maybe getting a.

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Speaker 2: Little bit messy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Followers did weigh in in the comment section of

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Speaker 1: the YouTube video. So one user wrote, it seems that

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Speaker 1: so many female Aussie influencers have boyfriends that are financially

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Speaker 1: dependent on them. Happy that Talia is with someone her equal.

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Speaker 1: Another said, hope you aren't talking about Mitch when you

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Speaker 1: say you're owed money. Would hate to think there's bad

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Speaker 1: blood about business you owned and profited off together, whilst

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Speaker 1: another said I get the feeling that Taralia supported Mitch financially,

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Speaker 1: probably a reason contributing to their breakup. Now I've got

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Speaker 1: to point out that this, again is all speculation that

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Speaker 1: has been brought about because of Tarlia's comments in this video.

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Speaker 1: I do find the comment about female Aussie influencers supporting

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Speaker 1: their boyfriends quite an interesting one, because I do feel

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Speaker 1: like it is hard when you are a well known

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Speaker 1: because automatically they get a whole load of followers and

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Speaker 1: new opportunities.

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Speaker 2: And I personally couldn't.

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Speaker 1: Help but feel a little bit pissed off if I

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Speaker 1: had set up a career for somebody on social media.

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Speaker 1: So I wonder if there's some feelings of resentment even

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Speaker 1: Tinder Swindler because she could relate to being gas lit

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Speaker 1: in a relationship, and if she is referring to her

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Speaker 1: relationship with Mitch, we really didn't see that side on

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Speaker 1: social media. He's really we seem like the model boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: We only saw the highlights reel. So I think that's

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Speaker 1: why it's difficult for followers to kind of hear these

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Speaker 1: things and try and make sense of them at the moment. Well,

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Speaker 1: isn't that just social media in general? Like you always

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Speaker 1: it's always those relationships that look really good on Instagram

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Speaker 1: that usually aren't working out behind the scenes. And I

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Speaker 1: think it's just a bit of a dose of reality

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Speaker 1: really because they know that they have to turn it

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Speaker 1: on on social media. Everyone wants to be couple goals,

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Speaker 1: and they definitely were, so I think that's why this

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Speaker 1: has come as such a shock to many people. And

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Speaker 1: I kind of foresee this considering that Talia has gone

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Speaker 1: well soft launched her boyfriend, like we spoke about earlier

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Speaker 1: this week, I think it was only a matter of

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Speaker 1: time before things got a little bit nasty online. And

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Speaker 1: I do wonder if this comment in question could be

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Speaker 1: in relation to the fact that when they did break up.

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Speaker 1: Clearly there's always an argument when you break up. And

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Speaker 1: then Mitch was seen posting a photo of him and

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Speaker 1: Talia at their school formal and you know, saying how

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Speaker 1: much he loves her and will always love her. Like

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Speaker 1: a bit of manipulation, yeah, that he's trying to look

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Speaker 1: being angry and then sad. At the moment, it does

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Speaker 1: with both of them having big online profiles, I do

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Speaker 1: think we will hear from Mitch soon. I think he

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Speaker 1: will weigh in on this matter because it doesn't look

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Speaker 1: good for him personally with these this speculation surrounding him.

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Speaker 1: I do think that this breakup brings up some really

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Speaker 1: interesting things to consider about relationships and money because nowadays,

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Speaker 1: more and more people are waiting longer to get married,

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Speaker 1: and they're purchasing properties first, or they're getting into business

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Speaker 1: with their significant others, and this has really put it

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Speaker 1: in the spotlight. And Talia did study law, so I

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Speaker 1: am hoping that before entering into these big life decisions,

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Speaker 1: contracts in place, because it could be a very messy situation.

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Speaker 1: What do you guys think about Talia generating this type

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Speaker 1: of speculation because she has edited this vlog, she knows

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Speaker 1: to start asking questions and making conclusions. Do you think

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Speaker 1: it's fair? I would almost rather sit down and do

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Speaker 1: a bit unfair because it almost doesn't give him room

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Speaker 1: for a reply. Well, we all know who she's referring

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Speaker 1: to on her videos. She has had a public breakup,

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Speaker 1: so in terms of defamation, it's already clear who she's

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Speaker 1: talking about. Look, I see both sides. I think that

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Speaker 1: if you're going to be vague on social media, it

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Speaker 1: can be just as damaging if you name the person legally,

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Speaker 1: because everybody can draw the conclusion that maybe she is

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Speaker 1: talking about Mitch. However, I do think that she has

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Speaker 1: spoken to a lawyer. She's probably angry about that process,

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Speaker 1: and she's wanting to share a bit of that online

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Speaker 1: with her following, And she thinks by cleverly saying a

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Speaker 1: she's can't trying to justify why she has done that

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Speaker 1: and with a close friend. Well, to be fair with

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Speaker 1: the whole relationship breakdown, I think before this she did

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Speaker 1: If you don't stop, I'm gonna start saying more shit

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Speaker 1: that's I reckon, because she did say in the vlog,

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Speaker 1: you guys would have no idea what I've been going through.

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Speaker 2: It's obviously been really awful for her.

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Speaker 6: If you insult my wife again, you know what I'm

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Speaker 6: gonna do. I'm going to show up your house when

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Speaker 6: you're sleeping, and I'll take your eyepad or your eyepod

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Speaker 6: or your eye mac and I'll shove them up your

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Speaker 6: fucking eye.

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Speaker 2: Cun I got nothing to lose.

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Speaker 6: Your kid is the problem. My kid is a fucking angel,

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Speaker 6: I don't have time for this shit.

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Speaker 1: Abby Chatfield has revealed how she's managed to outearn Australia's

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Speaker 1: most followed influences. The podcaster and TV host gave the

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Speaker 1: this week, Kate, can you tell us about Abby's secret

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Speaker 1: to success? Well, it's all about generating interactions on her

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Speaker 1: Instagram account, Abby, who has three hundred and eighty one

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Speaker 1: of what influences with one to two million followers received

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Speaker 1: for certain posts. She explained that brands care more about

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Speaker 1: account has been interacted with. She explained that likes, comments

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Speaker 1: and views are considered impressions now from someone who works

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Speaker 1: in the social media advertising space, I just wanted to

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Speaker 1: clarify that I believe Abby meant to say engagement rather

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Speaker 1: than impressions, because engagement is a measurement of how your

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Speaker 1: audience is interacting with your content. So basically, any action

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Speaker 1: someone takes on your profile is engagement, So it could

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Speaker 1: be a like or a comment, However, impressions are different.

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Speaker 1: It actually is the number of times your content be

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Speaker 1: at post or story is shown to users, and impressions

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Speaker 1: are usually confused with reach. However, impressions are an estimate

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Speaker 1: of the total number of people your content has the

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Speaker 2: See Kay.

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Speaker 1: I actually think she did mean impressions because I had

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Speaker 1: a look at how influencers now work out what to charge,

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Speaker 1: and often the formula now in twenty twenty two is

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Speaker 1: that you look at how many impressions you have had, say,

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Speaker 1: for example, for an Instagram story, and then new times

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Speaker 1: it by I think it was zero point one point five,

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Speaker 1: and you work out what your rate is. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: fair to say the impressions and engagement are very important

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Speaker 1: to influencers. But what Abby said was she was talking

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Speaker 1: about generating interactions on her account. And now Instagram has

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Speaker 1: introduced the ability to like stories, but stories aren't as

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Speaker 1: interactive as of grid posts. So that is engagement on

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Speaker 1: a post. As someone who runs social media accounts, so

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Speaker 1: you want to drive people to start commenting, liking, and

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Speaker 1: sharing on your post. That's why on Facebook news websites

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Speaker 1: Facebook algorithm. There is that long running joke that you'll

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Speaker 3: Actually a really good move.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps they needed to continue to engage that strategy because

438
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,159
Speaker 1: recently Beck seems to have been the face of a

439
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,840
Speaker 1: lot of their new collections, so potentially they need to go.

440
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:00,879
Speaker 2: Back can do that again.

441
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it might just be that people like yourselves, Kate,

442
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,359
Speaker 1: have noticed that they've changed their manufacturer, and maybe people

443
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,360
Speaker 1: just aren't happy with the products and that's why they're

444
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 1: selling them off cheap now, and hopefully they might bring

445
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 1: in some products that people enjoy. This sounds bad, but

446
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,879
Speaker 1: as soon as they started doing the sales, because for me,

447
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 1: Jagged is quite an expensive brand. It used to be

448
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 1: seen as a bit of a luxury brand. If you

449
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 1: were wearing Jagged, you know, I used to be like, Oh,

450
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,679
Speaker 1: they're so cool. However, now since they've been having the

451
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Speaker 1: big sales, it's kind of cheapened the brand.

452
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Speaker 2: It reminds me when.

453
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Speaker 1: Paul Frank when we were teenagers, used to be sold

454
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Speaker 1: in trims and it was very expensive t shirts. I

455
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 1: think they were like fifty bucks, which at the moment

456
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Speaker 1: doesn't sound expensive, but when we were younger back in

457
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:46,120
Speaker 1: our day, that was expensive. Then somehow Big w got

458
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Speaker 1: the rights to Paul Frank, and then I was like, oh,

459
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Speaker 1: I don't want to wear Paul Frank.

460
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Speaker 2: Got anything to do with that? Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

461
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 1: Well, I for one am hoping that they make a

462
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 1: resurgence because I would love to get a new black

463
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 1: pair of jack tides.

464
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:01,640
Speaker 2: That actually feel good.

465
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 1: Well, I'm selling my pair of jagged tights on Facebook

466
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 1: marketplace that are too small for me, so it might

467
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 1: be there might be more of a collector's item.

468
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Speaker 7: Now you don't care about stuff like if it's sad

469
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 7: act like I don't do. Do you know, I'll think

470
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,679
Speaker 7: you have this this narrative in your mind. No, no, no,

471
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 7: I will literally shut you up if you mention it again.

472
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 7: Literally shut the up and don't laugh like that you

473
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 7: look like a freak. Okay, but honestly change the narrative

474
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Speaker 7: in your mind. I work my assa.

475
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Speaker 1: This week, everyone has been talking about Glassgate on masks

476
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 1: and for those who haven't seen it, Amy, can.

477
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 2: You fill us in.

478
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, this week all the contestants stayed at a

479
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 1: couple's retreat and there was a heated exchange between Olivia

480
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 1: and Dom at a girl's night and this ended in

481
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Speaker 1: Dom smashing a wine glass on the table. So let's

482
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Speaker 1: have a listen to what went down.

483
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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, Am I boring you?

484
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Speaker 5: No?

485
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Speaker 1: Notion is so boring that it's like she got her

486
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:02,479
Speaker 1: ass handed to her.

487
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 2: We've all been there.

488
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Speaker 6: I'm sick of hearing all the time. I'm sick of

489
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 6: your voice yelling all the time. I'm bored of your voice.

490
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 2: I'm bored.

491
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 3: I'm bored of your voice.

492
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 6: Is yelling all the time. I'm losing my mind. It's

493
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 6: all I hear all the time, is you yelling. I

494
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 6: go to be and I hear you yelling in your room.

495
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 6: I'm sick of it yelling. I've heard you tonight is yell.

496
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Speaker 6: I'm sick of it, dog, I'm sick.

497
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 3: Of it yelling.

498
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 5: In my room.

499
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 1: I'm trying to.

500
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Speaker 6: Speak in yours in there going I'm bored. I'm bored.

501
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 5: I'm bored.

502
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: I'm bored of you yelling. Well, I was literally talking

503
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: to myself and saying the conversation I'm talking.

504
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 6: It's really brute, dog, I'm sick. It's just the way

505
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 6: she talks, A nice way to speak to people.

506
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 2: That's my voice.

507
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Speaker 1: It's not okay.

508
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 2: So my voice isn't okay?

509
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 6: Apparently not?

510
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Speaker 3: Is she furious?

511
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:00,120
Speaker 2: I think like from.

512
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 1: Like so. Following this exchange, Dom did apologize to the

513
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 1: group for smashing the glass. She explained that her voice

514
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: is something that she's been bullied about for years, and

515
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: previously she's been told by people not to speak up

516
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 1: and to be quiet, so she said it brought back

517
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: a lot of past emotions. But Olivia wasn't having a

518
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Speaker 1: bar of this explanation. She said there was no excuse

519
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Speaker 1: for the way Dom reacted. She also falsely claimed to

520
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: the group that Dom had waved the broken glass in

521
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: her face, which just didn't happen at all. And since

522
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: this incident, there has been a lot of tension between

523
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: Olivia and Dom, and it's all anybody can talk about.

524
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 2: On social media right now.

525
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: So in the space of a week, Olivia has gone

526
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Speaker 1: from being the sweetheart of married at first sights to

527
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: the resident mean girl. And it's been really interesting how

528
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 1: this has all played out.

529
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 2: On the show.

530
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Speaker 1: Now for those who aren't watching Maths, like me getting

531
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: confused with the names going back and forth. Now, just

532
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 1: to point out, Olivia isn't the one who smashed the glass,

533
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: but she is the one that everyone seems to have

534
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: an issue with. Why is that the case, Amy, because

535
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: you showed me the clip and I was quite confused

536
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 1: because I thought that Dom would be the one who

537
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: was being villainized for smashing a glass.

538
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: Well, it is very interesting because at the start of Maths,

540
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 1: Olivia was portrayed as this sweetheart and so she previously

541
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: was a career for her dad who sadly, sadly passed away.

542
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: So that has been a huge storyline for Olivia that

543
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: she's looking for love and she wishes her dad was

544
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: here to be able to meet Jackson. She and Jackson

545
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: have been the success story of the show so far.

546
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Speaker 3: Well, hadn't.

547
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Speaker 1: She also lost a lot of weight and she was

548
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: clearly feeling a bit self conscious being on a show

549
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: like this with the types of women who were generally

550
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 1: on these TV shows. Yeah, that has also been her

551
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: storyline about her weight loss. But interesting, we did see

552
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: a different side to Olivia, and this was shown right

553
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 1: before the glass smashing incident. So Olivia was seen on

554
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: camera talking about being a bridesmaid for a friend. So

555
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: she said her friend had picked out what she described

556
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: as pooh brown colored bridesmaid's dresses for everybody, and when

557
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: her friend asked her what she thought of the dresses

558
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: after purchasing them, she said she thought they looked awful

559
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: and she didn't know why she'd got them. This resulted

560
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: in her friend kicking Olivia out of the bridal party,

561
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Speaker 1: and then shockingly, Olivia revealed that she had cut up

562
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,239
Speaker 1: the pooh brown dress into five pieces and mailed it

563
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: back to the bride. And this was so out of

564
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Speaker 1: character for everything that we have seen about her. For

565
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Speaker 1: those who haven't seen the pooh brown dresses, I really

566
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: didn't think they were as bad as Olivia was making

567
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: them out to be.

568
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 2: They actually were quite nice.

569
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Speaker 1: The thing is, by Olivia calling it pooh brown, you've

570
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: already got an idea of what the dress looks like.

571
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 2: However, if she had said chocolate.

572
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: Brown, which chocolate and pooh are pretty similar colors, then

573
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,239
Speaker 1: you know might think, oh, that's very in fashion. At

574
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: the moment, I was shocked because I've got to admit

575
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: I have given up on maths. I just couldn't keep

576
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 1: up with all of the episodes. I'm still trying to

577
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: work out if I will try and catch up, because

578
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 1: it seems to have gotten quite good, and I love

579
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: all the controversy, but I was shocked that Olivia has

580
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: been cast as a villain. She seems so lovely at

581
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 1: the start, and I wonder was it that she did

582
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: got a really good edit to begin with, and it's

583
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: more interesting now to paint her as a villain or

584
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: I mean, do you guys think that her relationship is

585
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: going to break down because of this? Well, they're hinting

586
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: that Jackson's not happy with their behavior. But to answer

587
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 1: your question, Sovie, I think the reason why everybody is

588
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: not having a go at Dom for smashing the glass

589
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 1: is basically because she's been such a likable character on

590
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: the show. She's been the one that's been upfront and

591
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: honest to all of the contestants. She's a real Girl's Girl.

592
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 2: She called out.

593
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: Jack for not having sex with her while she was

594
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: on her period, and at dinner part She's always stood

595
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: up for her friends and called people out on their bullshit.

596
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: So I think if this glass smashing incident had happened,

597
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 1: say five years ago, I think we all might have thought,

598
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: oh shit, Dom is clearly the villain. But I think

599
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: we're now used to seeing strong women on TV, and

600
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: we actually like seeing women stick up for themselves. I

601
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: am really surprised by this story arc from Maths because

602
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 1: it would have been a lot easier for them to

603
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: have cast Dom as the villain. She's very outspoken, she

604
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: says it how it is. However, Olivia she had the

605
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 1: perfect backstory, So I wonder what's happened, Like, has Olivia

606
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 1: pissed off her producer and they're like, fuck it, we're

607
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: gonna make her look bad or is this just her

608
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: true personality coming out as she becomes more comfortable in

609
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: front of the camera. I wonder if Dom was really

610
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: nervous watching Maths come out, because obviously you don't know

611
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: how you're going to be edited, and if you're watching

612
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: it and you're seeing Olivia get this great portrayal on there,

613
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: and she's probably thinking sitting there, thinking, fuck, I'm gonna

614
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: be the villain. No one's gonna dislike this perfect, lovely

615
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: kind girl, this fantastic backstory. But yeah, it's crazy to

616
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: see how fans have reacted. Well, I think it's interesting

617
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: with MATHS because sometimes the more scandalous you are, the

618
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: more popular you become from the show, and the more

619
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: opportunities that come out of MATHS, because we've seen that

620
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: with Martha from math and I think that Dom is

621
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: going to come out of Maths being the most popular contestant.

622
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: She's already got double the followers that Olivia has, So

623
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: Dom has sixty one thousand whereas Olivia has thirty thousand.

624
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: She did have a bit of a headstart, but it

625
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: is quite clear that she is the front runner in

626
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: terms of popularity and she will be getting a lot

627
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,239
Speaker 1: of brand deals you would assume. So obviously Olivia has

628
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: been copying it on social media because all of Australia

629
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: seems to be team Dom. But knowing what I know

630
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: about reality TV and also the nature of social media,

631
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: I really have been thinking about Olivia's mental health, especially

632
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: because she has recently suffered the loss of her father,

633
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: and I did notice that comments are off on her

634
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: Instagram page, which is probably a wise idea, but I

635
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: think sometimes we have to take a look at ourselves,

636
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: those that consume Maths, because people have been calling out

637
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: her behavior online and I totally get it, because she

638
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: has come across as quite awful in the most recent episodes.

639
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: But I think, what do we expect from Maths? People

640
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: have been criticizing Olivia recently, saying, oh, she went into

641
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: the dinner party looking for a fight, But isn't that

642
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: the whole reason that we watch the show. We love

643
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: all of the drama, and if I'm being totally honest,

644
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,959
Speaker 1: I have been watching Maths, but prior to this glass

645
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: smashing incident, I was getting bored.

646
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: I totally agree.

647
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: As I said before, I have dropped off in interest,

648
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: but I am now gonna start watching it again because

649
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: I've just been waiting for the drama. And why can't

650
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: we just take it for what it is. It is

651
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: a trashy reality TV show. These people have been cast

652
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: in certain roles. Let's just enjoy it. Let's not troll

653
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: the people involved. Let's just watch it, have some popcorn,

654
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: and enjoy it. To be fair to Olivia, maybe she

655
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: was just so overwhelmed with anger because because she has

656
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: bitten her tongue so many times during these events that

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Speaker 1: she just erupted. You know, when you've just been biting

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Speaker 1: your tongue and you just can't control your anger anymore.

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Speaker 1: That's what seems like has happened here. To be fair,

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Speaker 1: I feel like that was more Dom because Dom like

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Speaker 1: the in terms of smashing the glass, like that was

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Speaker 1: Dom's relief because she had just been copying it from

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Speaker 1: all angles, people abusing her, abusing her, abusing her. The

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Speaker 1: thing with Olivia is I think that in our minds

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Speaker 1: she was typecasted at the start of the show as

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Speaker 1: being sweet and innocent.

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Speaker 2: She's a teaching student, she is a career.

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Speaker 1: And then we kind of don't like the fact that

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Speaker 1: she's now got a bitchy side to her. It's kind

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Speaker 1: of like we're like, oh, that's not how she's supposed

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Speaker 1: to be, and we're totally outraged as an audience. Do

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Speaker 1: you guys want to dream.

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Speaker 3: I'm giving a bitch.

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Speaker 1: Netflix's highly anticipated reality show Byron Bays, which follows the

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Speaker 1: lives of a group of influencers, has been met with

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Speaker 1: mixed reactions. To kick us off, let's jump into the cast. Sophie,

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Speaker 1: can you give us a little bit of a rundown? Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: it is a bit of a mixed cast. We first

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Speaker 1: start off with Sarah, who is the new girl in

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00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: town who's moved to Byron Bay to further her music career.

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00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: So far, I found her a little bit boring. She's

682
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: kind of the nice girl. Did you guys get the

683
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: vibe that she is the Lauren Conrad of the Hills

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Speaker 1: because the opening scene was her driving from her hometown

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00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: to Byron Bay in a yellow jeep and it's very

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00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: reminiscent of the starting of The Hills when Lauren is

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00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: driving from Laguna Peach to.

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Speaker 3: La Yeah, I one hundred percent agree.

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Speaker 1: It did have very much vintage Hills vibe to her

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Speaker 1: in that scene. The next character that I wanted to

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Speaker 1: introduce everyone to is Hannah, and she is super quirky.

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Speaker 1: So she grew up in Byron Bay and she's very spiritual,

693
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: very into crystals, and she works at her family's popular

694
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: store called bisc Now. She describes herself as bohemian, eclectic,

695
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: and a little bit strange, and the one thing that

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00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,959
Speaker 1: I really liked about Hannah is that she's invented a

697
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: new word that I think that we can all get around.

698
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: So basically, her mum asked her if she wanted a drink,

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Speaker 1: and she said.

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Speaker 3: I'm good for a butcher.

701
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: Now, a butcher's of course a komb butcher, and we

702
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: love komb butcher, so I'm gonna have to start using

703
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: that one now. I have seen there as this trend

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00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: on TikTok where it's ten signs You're from Byron Bay,

705
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: based off Byron Bays the show. So basically one of

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Speaker 1: the lins is if you call kom butcher butch.

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00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: So really, yeah, yeah?

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Speaker 1: Did anyone else get Abby Chatfield vibes for Hannah Like,

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00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: not so much the personality, but she kind of looked

710
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: a little bit like her. Yeah, now that you mention it. Now,

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Speaker 1: Hannah is having a feud with the bell Sisters. There's

712
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Speaker 1: always got to be some sort of drama going on.

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Speaker 1: So the bell Sisters are Jess and Lauren and they

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Speaker 1: run a successful fashion line called Johansson, which rose to

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Speaker 1: popularity when it was worn by Kylie Jennett. And they

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Speaker 1: I can't tell if they're trying to paint them as

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Speaker 1: the villains or Hannah as the villain. It's unclear at

718
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: this stage who is the villain of this show. We've

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Speaker 1: got to mention we have only watched one episode at

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Speaker 1: the time of recording, but we thought it was a

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Speaker 1: pivotal episode to talk about because this is when everyone

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00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: is introduced and the vibe that you get from it,

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Speaker 1: and my vibe is that Hannah will be the villain

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Speaker 1: in this series.

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Speaker 2: So any of these people actually well known because I

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Speaker 2: haven't seen it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So there were two that I recognized. One is

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Speaker 1: Nathan so they say he works in digital marketing, but

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Speaker 1: I know him from being on The Bachelor and Bachelor

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Speaker 1: in Paradise. And his roommate is Ilius, who was on

731
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: the first series of Love Island. And I only remember

732
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: Ilias because he's literally always modeling clothes on my news

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Speaker 1: feed on Facebook.

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Speaker 2: He was the one that was in Big w you

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Speaker 2: remember and stuff.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's also Jade Kevin Foster and he claims to

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Speaker 1: be the most followed man in Australia on Instagram with

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Speaker 1: one point two million followers. And it's funny because I

739
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: had no idea who he was. We do an influencer podcast.

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Speaker 1: I had never heard of him before. I agree with Alex,

741
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: who is the talent manager and so far my favorite

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00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 1: character because he seems like the most realist out of

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Speaker 1: all of them. He is like, I call balls on

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00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: this guy. There is something not quite right about it,

745
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: and I have to agree he does. I had a

746
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: look at his Instagram and he does appear to be

747
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: kind of writing on the coattails of others, like he

748
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: was photographed with some other famous people. He actually kind

749
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: of reminded me of did you guys watch I'm a Celeb?

750
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: Get Me out of here? This year because they had

751
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: a fake influencer called the David and he was a

752
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: pretend fashion designer, and they actually reminded me of each

753
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: other a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: Jade explained in it that the way he grew his

756
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: following was that he met Kim Kardashian. I don't know

757
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: if it was at a meet and greet or what,

758
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: but basically they took a selfie together and she shared

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00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 1: a photo of him. So at the time he only

760
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: had eleven thousand followers. Then when Kim shared the photo, overnight,

761
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: he woke up and he had two hundred thousand new followers,

762
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: So it is quite interesting to see how he grew

763
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: the following from then on. So many connections to the

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00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: Kardashians on this television show. I have to say, though,

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00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: despite the manager Alex kind of having question marks over Jade,

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00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: I thought he seemed quite cute in the start of

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00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: the episode, because it was quite clear that he didn't

768
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: fit in at home. He really wanted to find a

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Speaker 1: group of people to be friends with. I mean, I

770
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Speaker 1: don't think this town is probably the right place to

771
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: make some meaningful friends. How's the snobbery about living on

772
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: the Gold Coast. Like the two characters Sarah and Jade,

773
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: they both have come over from the GZ to Barron

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00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 1: Bay and everyone's like mmmm, It's like, do they realize

775
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: the reputation that Byron Bay has. I did have to

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00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: laugh because another one of the characters is Nathan's roommate,

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Speaker 1: who is Elle, and she clearly has.

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Speaker 3: The hots for him.

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00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: She's so territorial over him, even though he has also

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Speaker 1: hooked up with Hannah. And we are first introduced to

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Speaker 1: Elle when she's making what she calls a ceremonial cocoo. So,

782
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: if you guys are interested in creating this for yourselves,

783
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: it is made from cocaw, cinnamon ashwanga, I can't pronounce

784
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: that promptly, medicinal mushrooms and coconut milk. I laughed when

785
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: I heard this because I was like, oh, yep, yep, yep,

786
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: And then when she said medicinal mushrooms, I was like, oh,

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00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: that's very Byron Bay. I've got to admit I have

788
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: started watching the second episode whilst I was waiting for

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00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: you guys to start recording this, and there is a

790
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: very awkward scene where Nathan and Elle are in the

791
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: kitchen and there is so much tension, sexual tension there

792
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: because they're slapping each other with tea towels and I'm

793
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: just like, this is so weird. And then her partner

794
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: comes down and it's revealed that she actually has a

795
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: boyfriend that visits every two weeks. I think he lives elsewhere.

796
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: And I'm like, this is actually getting good because the

797
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: first episode is always a bit shit, and I've heard

798
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: a lot of reviews saying, you know, dragging the show,

799
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Speaker 1: but can we just appreciate it for what it is.

800
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: It's tacky reality and yes, it's nowhere near as good

801
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: as UK reality TV. It's nowhere near as good as

802
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: The Hills, but it's something I will keep watching it.

803
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: Is it very highly edited? I can you tell that

804
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: it's set up and everything.

805
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: Yes, it's quite clear that it's the same as The Hills,

806
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: where they're like, let's get these people at a party

807
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: and let them interact. It does seem a little bit

808
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: more scripted, but I don't know if that's just because

809
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: it was a first episode and it was very stilted.

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00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: I still want to give it time. Maybe we should

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Speaker 1: give an update when we've all finished watching it. What

812
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: we thought.

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00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say.

814
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 1: I went back and watched The Hills, and the editing

815
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: on it is atrocious. You know me you don't realize

816
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: when you're younger, but all the words are cut up.

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00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: It's kind of like on The Simpsons when they do

818
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: that interview with Homer and the clocks moving in the background. Well,

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00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: I definitely do think this show must get better, because

820
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: they did show the sort of highlights, and they showed

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00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: Jade call Ilius and egotistical fuck and there's this huge

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00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: fight that breaks out. So I'm hanging out for that bit.

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Speaker 1: But as you say, Amy, there are a few lines

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Speaker 1: that do sound scripted. One of my favorite ones was

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00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: when one of the characters said, Byron Bay has a

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Speaker 1: strong power. If it wants you here, it'll let you in,

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Speaker 1: and if it doesn't, it'll spit you out. I was like,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, who the hell wrote that? That reminds

829
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: me of the rap that The Melbourne Housewives Produce gave

830
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: to the city of Melbourne. It's very reminiscent. I do

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00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: wonder if if there's any crossover in production team. I

832
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 1: want to know though, if they managed to get those

833
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: two from the Gold Coast over to live in Barren

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Speaker 1: Bay for the filming of the show, how did they

835
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: not get someone better? Like, surely there was someone better

836
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: that they could have shipped across to Byron Bay, like

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00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: someone that we all know about. See. I feel like

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00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: some of the characters are kind of too stereotypical Barron

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00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: Bay for me, like just so spiritual. I mean, I

840
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: feel like I kind of wanted to see more of.

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00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 3: A bitchier side of influencing that will come. That will come.

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00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: I mean, didn't you see them all pissing themselves as

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00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: laughing when they brought the sound healing.

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Speaker 3: In true Well?

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Speaker 1: I also thought it was pretty funny that Hannah was

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00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: talking about growing up in Byron Bay, and she explained

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00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: that there are crystals all throughout the mountains in Byron Bay,

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00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: which helps keep all of the people there grounded. And

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00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: I thought, bloody hell, there's definitely not enough of them

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00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: there to keep that group of people grounded. Well, I

851
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: think that's all we have time for. I feel like

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00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lose my voice if we keep going. Thank

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00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: you so much for joining us for today's episode. If

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