WEBVTT - PCOS - Uncut with Angie Kent and Dr Izzy Smith 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:05.280 Life Uncut podcast acknowledges the traditional custodians of country throughout 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:09.080 Australia and their connections to land, sea and community. We 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:11.920 pay our respect to their elders past and present and 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:15.360 extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:16.120 peoples today. 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.599 This episode is recorded on Gaddigal Land of the Aurora Nation. 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:42.879 Hey guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut. 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:45.479 I'm Brittany and I'm Laura, and I just want to 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:47.600 say I hope that you guys are going into the 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:50.760 week with the confidence that Rihanna goes into her fashion 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:52.120 choices now that she's pregnant. 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:55.840 Isn't she just killing it? She just doesn't care. She's 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:58.240 living her best sexy life and I'm here for it. 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:00.720 I mean, I was just looking the reason why because 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:02.920 I was I wasn't ready for that. 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:05.279 Everyone, let's talk about Rihanna. 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:07.520 I was literally just looking at a photo of her 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:11.640 just then, and I think that she has completely redefined 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:14.920 what it means, like what fashion means when you're pregnant. 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:18.319 So many women when they're pregnant, like we've been told 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:21.720 that like pregnancy is not sexy, Like pregnancy is this 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:24.720 thing that like, when you're pregnant, you're like this beautiful 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:27.759 beacon of life that's bringing life into the world. It's 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:30.160 a body that's meant to be cherished, but it's not 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:32.120 really a body that we look at in the way 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:34.080 of sexuality. We kind of think like, as soon as 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:36.480 a woman is pregnant, they're no longer this sexual being. 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:39.440 And I just love that she has completely turned that 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:40.039 on its head. 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:42.640 Do you know I was just thinking about this because 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:44.640 I was just thinking if I was in Rihanna's position too, 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:47.920 I would have that confidence. She's she's ridiculously attractive, she's 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:50.400 so smart. But did you know that she is the 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:55.360 second richest female entertainer ever. She's worth one point seven 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:57.600 billion dollars? Did you know she's a billionaire? 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:00.800 Literally zero idea, but also like part of his not surprised. 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:03.280 Like I said, you know this idea that you're supposed 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:05.240 to behave a certain way or look a certain way 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:05.880 when you're pregnant. 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:07.520 You're like, oh, I better put my belly away now 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:09.760 that I'm growing a child, Like why yeah? 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:12.000 And I remember when I was pregnant, there's this real 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:14.840 feeling of oh, nothing fits me, nothing feels good on me. 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:17.760 I don't feel attractive. And don't get me wrong, I 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:20.519 know a lot of women think and feel really beautiful 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:22.920 when they're pregnant and really embrace being pregnant. Like there 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:24.840 were definitely times I was like, Wow, I feel like 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:28.280 this and womanly being, but I guess in my body, 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:30.720 I didn't have the same. I didn't feel like clothes 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.040 fit me very well. I didn't feel like I could 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:34.600 get out there and have a middrift on put it 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:36.919 that way. But then I also realized, looking back, it's 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:39.360 because I was trying to dress for the standards of 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:41.280 what my body normally looks like. Like I was trying 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:44.200 to dress the way that society goes, Oh, a middriff 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:47.480 is supposed to be for people who have no bumps 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:49.480 and curves or anything else, you know, like there's a 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:53.000 very specific way that society tells us isn't isn't okay 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:54.880 to dress, and I was trying to conform to that. 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:57.400 Well, that's what you So you probably weren't dressing because 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:00.600 you didn't feel confident you were dressing because you know, 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:03.360 you were not looking at anyone else pregnant that was 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:05.799 dressing in this way because before Rhianna, I don't think 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:07.880 we've really had anyone in the public eye that we've 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:10.240 been able to look up to that has just actually 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:11.840 owned their pregnancy body. 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.040 And I think on that as well. Like this photo 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:16.000 I'm looking at right now, she is only I think 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:17.720 she's only a few weeks away from having a baby, 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:21.359 and she's wearing like thigh high boots, tiny little leather shorts, 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.600 a crop top, and then she's got this sequency thing 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:24.160 over the top. 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:24.880 She's so odd. 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:26.920 I see these photos and I think it's such an 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:29.640 incredible celebration of like one her views on fashion, but 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.640 to her changing body and embracing it for what it 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:36.160 is and not changing her personality or changing the way 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:38.960 that she views clothes, just because she's moved into this 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:41.520 new phase of motherhood, which I think happens to so 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:42.280 many of us. 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:44.640 And at your next pregnancy, I want to see you 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:47.480 in Lacey Bras thigh hivity. I want to see you 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:50.800 out there. Let's tell you what the episode is about 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:53.080 before we get any further. What a rogue little intro 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.440 that was. When I love it when you just bring 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:57.000 them on me too. She never tells me what she's 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:58.240 gonna say, she just throws it at me. 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:00.360 I really do hope that you spend this week with 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:02.480 the confidence that she has. That's exactly what I want 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:03.360 you to bring to this world. 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:07.440 Every single person listening. So today's episode, we are talking 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:12.040 about something that affects so many women, but in the 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:15.480 same sentence, so many women don't know about it or 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:17.560 don't know the specifics about it. And to be honest, 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:19.920 I knew about it from the outskirts and I've seen 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:21.599 it a lot in the medical industry, but I didn't 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:23.720 know specific details about it until I started to speak 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:26.440 to my friends that suffered from it. That is right. 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.560 We are doing an episode for you guys on PCOS 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:31.760 or polycystic ovarian syndrome. 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.880 Yes, and we also have the very freaking awesome Angie Kent, 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:38.760 who we wanted to attack this episode with having somebody 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:42.559 who has a lived experience of PCOS, and also doctor 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.840 Ezzy Smith who is a entrocnologist and she looks at 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:48.320 and talks about PCs from more like the technical side 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:51.200 in terms of treatment, in terms of diagnosis, but we 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:52.919 wanted to really give you an episode that kind of 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:54.960 covered both what it is to have the lived experience 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.600 and what it is to actually go down the more 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:00.440 formal treatment side. Now, the thing that I've found so 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:03.080 interesting about this and I would hate for somebody who 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:06.000 doesn't have PCOS to go, oh, Okay, this episode doesn't 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:06.400 relate to. 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:06.760 Me, it is. 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:10.160 It's for you two, it relates to everyone. I think 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:13.039 We've been brought up in a society that believes that 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:16.000 periods are supposed to be painful, that like women's problems, 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:18.320 like women are supposed to be uncomfortable once a month. 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:19.200 Yeah, you just deal with it. 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:23.280 And so many people who have PCOS for that very 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:26.599 reason go undiagnosed for so long. But not only do 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:30.240 those people go undiagnosed like other women, I e. Myself 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:32.839 don't have the understanding around what that means, and so 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:35.880 like you, when you learn about these things as we have, 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:38.080 and to be able to have these conversations, it means 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.760 that if you have friends and family in your life 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:43.680 who are suffering from endometriosis who've done an awesome episode 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.799 on that, or who are suffering from PCOS, it gives 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:49.279 you more understanding to be able to have that empathy, 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:50.920 to be able to talk to them about it and 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.240 to be able to relate to what it is to 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:54.960 be a woman and have these issues. 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:57.279 But the other thing is the reason that it could 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:59.160 be for you even if you don't have it now 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:03.559 is unford things like pcos it's not something that you're like, oh, 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:05.440 I was born with this, this is what I have. Yes, 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:09.320 this can happen to anyone from any age after puberty. 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:11.719 So I know people that were diagnosed in their late twenties. 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:14.880 It never had it late twenties, thirties, early twenties. This 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:16.520 is why it could be for you as well, because 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.480 maybe something's going on in your body right now that 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:21.400 you don't know about, and you have this might not 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:23.480 have even crossed your mind. So I'm hoping that this 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:25.279 resonates with a lot of people or gets a lot 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:28.560 of people ticking over in their brain thinking, oh, I 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:30.279 have had a few of those symptoms. Maybe I'll go 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:30.880 and get checked. 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:32.800 It's actually so interesting that you said that, Britte, because 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:34.640 I think that that is for me. That was like 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.919 one of the biggest take home messages. And also just 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:41.440 recently produced Akisha, like produce Akisha. She's in her late twenties, 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.599 she's just in the last couple of weeks, which is 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:46.800 also one of the reasons why we were so excited 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:47.720 to do this episode. 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:49.880 She's just been diagnosed with PCOS. 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:52.000 Now that doesn't mean that she's going to have it 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:55.119 for life, but she started having these symptoms, like getting 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.400 acne out of nowhere, having really irregular periods. 0:06:58.440 --> 0:06:59.800 She's like, I felt like I was a bit hairy. 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:01.640 She was like us getting laser and I was like, 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:03.560 I was a bit hairer. But for her, she was like, 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:06.240 this makes so much sense now totally. 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:09.400 And I think like the so many people, because if 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:11.480 you don't know the symptoms, if you don't know the 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:13.640 things to look out for, then if you start to 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:17.080 experience these like irregularities, it can kind of be trumped 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:19.000 up to just like, oh, that's what all women go 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:22.480 through at different points, but it really isn't. And like 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.600 we need to have more and like clearer understanding about 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:28.200 what our body does and what a period is and 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:31.120 how our periods behave so that way, if something does change, 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:33.080 you can advocate for your own health. You can go 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:36.160 and find a healthcare specialist that really fucking understands women's 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:39.600 business and can give you the correct treatment and you 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:40.680 are misdiagnosed. 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:43.840 Yeah, and in addition to that, this is heavily around PCOS. 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:45.600 But we touched on the pill as well. Doctor Izzy 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:48.840 Smith talks about misconceptions around the pill. So there really 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:52.040 is something in this for everyone. Now, because we're doing 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:56.840 this episode on PCOS, we have a sponsor, Vush. Now 0:07:56.840 --> 0:08:00.520 you might know Vush as well, the sexual we're the 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:04.640 secure relable on a vibrator. Do I do too? 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:13.360 Remember I had sex with the packaging by accidents. 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:12.120 Actually, I just remember. That's probably one of my second 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:12.680 favorite moments. 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:14.880 I don't even know if Bush are aware of this, 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:16.760 but they were like, hey, we want to sponsor an episode. 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:18.679 I was like, cool, remember that time that I tried 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:21.040 to use your packaging as a vibrator. 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:24.480 That's a fun story. Quickly, if you guys don't know that, Laura, 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:28.680 the Bush packaging for the vibrator is really like deliciously soft, 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:29.480 and it also. 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:32.000 Looks like a big, massive penis because it's a big cylinder. 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.040 That's what I thought. The whole packaging was the dildo. 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.320 Anyway, I got on the podcast and I was like, 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:39.960 I don't understand how this is the vibrator because it's 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:43.000 so big and then I found out that actually the 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:45.000 vibrator was inside the packaging. 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:48.280 She sent me a photo. I nearly died of laughter, 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:51.720 Like I nearly killed over anyway. No, so Bush has 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:54.319 actually launched into the wellness space. And we want to 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:57.760 tell you about a specific product, which is the tens machine. Now, 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:00.000 a tens machine Laura is actually going to talk about 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.280 because she's used it. But a TENS machine is used 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:05.800 to help relieve extreme period pain or things that might 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:09.000 pain that might be associated with things like endometriosis. It's 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:12.560 like a little machine that you stick on. This Bush 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:16.200 machine is called the Aura. It doesn't have any wires 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:18.439 or cords or anything. It's just these little sticky pads. 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:21.080 So it's this really small, cute looking machine that just 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:23.240 sticks on and does its thing. I used a. 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:26.440 Tens machine when I was in labor, and what it 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:29.160 does is it interrupts the pain signal that your brain 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:31.160 is sending to your body. And so I was in 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:33.840 a lot of pay ladies and gentlemen like turn that 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:36.920 bad boy up. Yeah. So, like as you are having contractions, 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:39.520 what you can do is there's different settings for the 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:41.680 tens machine, the one that I was using, and you 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:44.800 can amp it up, and then as the contractions get 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:46.920 more and more intense, you can amp up the tens 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:50.480 machine and it sunds almost like this like electric pulse 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:54.240 vibration almost, which isn't painful, but it's a weird or 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:57.400 different sensation, and that different sensation is kind of gives 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:58.719 you something else to focus on. 0:09:59.120 --> 0:09:59.760 And I guess in the. 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:02.400 Same way way if you are somebody who has pain 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:05.880 from endometriosis, so you have pain from difficult periods, it 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:08.760 works in exactly the same way. And I mean, if 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:10.360 you really just want a fund Saturday night, you can 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:12.360 stick it to your boyfriend and like ram it all 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:13.000 the way off. 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:16.240 And see how he reacts. Okay, but did it actually? 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:18.360 I mean, that is a great idea, But did it 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:20.720 work for you? So when you were trying to redirect 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:22.839 these electual signals, did it take the pain away and 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:23.680 help you get through it? 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:25.480 I mean it didn't take the pain of child birth 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:25.800 away and. 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:27.840 Still have a small child of ripping your vagina. O. 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.480 Yes, look, I mean, but it definitely helped. It took 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:32.560 the edge off. And I think like, obviously we can't 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:35.400 really compare childbirth to period pain. There they're very very 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:39.080 different types of pain in terms of like severity, but 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.160 for those like and especially for like pre labor, like 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:45.400 the early labor stages, where the pain is very similar 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:47.839 to period pain and is very similar to like that 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:52.480 like low thumping, heavy pain that you get, Yeah, massively, 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:54.800 it helps. It also just it gives you something to 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:56.880 focus on that's outside of your own body that you 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:59.320 have control over as well. Now that is all coming 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:01.960 up on today's episode. We love Angie Kent. She's an 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:04.720 absolute dream boat. So you guys, I'm sure so many 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:06.840 of you know who she is. She's enjoying it and 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:09.439 she has such an interesting story because she has had 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:13.880 literally so many different types of health issues in terms 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:16.160 of her reproductive system, in terms of her ovaries and 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:17.880 her uterus and streets five. 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:20.320 She has more than we actually even knew. She rated 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:22.320 off five different things that she's got going on. 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:25.120 And for somebody who has faced so many challenges when 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:27.800 it comes to her own health, I think that she 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.400 just has an incredibly positive outlook on it and she's 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:33.040 a breath of fresh air to listen to. But something 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:35.800 I wanted to talk about before we get into that. Now, 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.280 this is an interesting one because this is something Britain 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:40.559 and I were talking about over the weekend and party. 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.520 We were discussing whether or not we should talk about 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:45.160 on the podcast, and we were. 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.800 Discussing it just in general as friends discussing an article, 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:50.160 and then we thought should this be something we bring 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:51.360 to you guys. 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:53.719 And also and we'll get into the reason why behind that, 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.079 but it was because we thought, do we want to 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:59.440 bring more light to this? But basically what has happened 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:01.880 and the article that we're referring to. Now, you guys 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:04.640 might be familiar with a really famous actress. She was 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:07.040 from Pack to the Rafters. Her name is Jessica Murray. 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:08.160 She's a brilliant actress. 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:11.640 She is a fourteen times LOGI nominee. She's a seven 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:15.040 times Logi winner with in Australia. Now, back in twenty eighteen, 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:18.680 she walked away from her career in acting. She decided 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:20.920 that it wasn't for her. She was also needing to 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.360 focus on her own health and it was widely reported 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:25.200 on at the time that she was focusing on her 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:29.240 own mental health. And now recently there have been a 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:32.559 whole spat of articles and at first it was just 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:34.400 daily mail and that's why we were liked, you know what, 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:36.160 We're not going to talk about it because we don't 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:38.319 want to draw more attention to the stuff that Daily 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:39.280 Mail report on. 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:40.960 More than we already do, guys. 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:43.040 But then it was also on news dot com and 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:45.920 there have been many other huge media publications that have 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:49.400 picked up the article. Jessica has she no longer works 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:52.520 in acting. She has removed herself from acting and is 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.240 now working at a waitress at a local cafe in 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:58.080 the Eastern suburbs. Now, the reason why we wanted to 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:00.520 talk about this is because when we saw the article, 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:04.880 we were so fucking mad, both of us, and that 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:07.880 was the conversation that we had had surrounding this, because 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:11.760 the idea that somebody who has removed themselves from the 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:16.400 public light, who has removed themselves from public speculation, public gaze, 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:19.960 they're no longer choosing to be an actress, is still 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.800 being put through the same public scrutiny that somebody who's 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:26.360 in that situation is. But also the judgment, the judgment 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:28.720 that the articles are laced with in terms of what 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:32.960 she's now doing for a profession, is just so fucked up. 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:35.800 There were three articles in the one week about the 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.079 same thing if it was the headline as well. The 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:42.600 Kickstarter order up logo winning actress Jessica Murray cleans tables 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:46.280 and serves drinks while waitressing at a Sydney cafe. I 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:49.800 don't think any of that information is a relevant b. 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:51.920 Like you just said, Laura, the thing that really ticks 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:56.199 me off is just because somebody once upon a time 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:58.760 was in the public eye. And we know now right, 0:13:58.800 --> 0:13:59.760 we know that if you want to be in the 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:01.520 pub the guy we say it, we're like, well, yes, 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:04.200 you do open yourself up to articles too, people wanting 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:06.360 to photograph you, to all of those things. Do you 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.120 necessarily want it? No? Do you sometimes have to accept 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:12.800 a level of that? Yes, Jess in particular, and there 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:14.560 are a lot of we're speaking about jests just because 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:16.839 this is what the articles are about at the moment, 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:20.400 But this goes for anybody. She is so far removed 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:24.040 you could not remove yourself any further than Jess has. 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:26.840 She has literally years ago. She's pulled out of everything 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:29.840 she's done and she's like, I have decided which you 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:31.760 are allowed to do, mind you that I don't want 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:33.720 to live this life anymore. She's got a child, she 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:35.440 just wants to be living a normal life. She wants 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:39.440 to work a normal job. For her to have that's 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:41.640 taken away from her, for her to have people come 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:45.080 up to her work where she can't escape, sit on 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:47.440 the street, photograph you to then put an article up 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:50.200 saying that you're cleaning tables is such a level of 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:53.720 invasion and disrespect because now she's not asking for this. 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:56.200 In fact, she's every part of her has said, please 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:58.920 let me live my life, leave me alone, and that's 0:14:58.960 --> 0:14:59.680 been taken away from her. 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.240 Actually, quite a few different parts of this to unpack, 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:04.200 and the reason why we wanted to talk about this 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:06.960 is because it doesn't just have to do with Jessica. Actually, 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:10.400 recently James Matheson was photographed. And James Matheson used to 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:14.200 be a presenter on Idol. He was like inequivalent to 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.920 say Osha Gunsberg back in the day in terms of 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:21.239 his prolificness within Australian media, and he was recently photographed 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:23.720 with his new career he works in Amazon, and he 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.640 made an active choice to walk away from the spotlight 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:28.720 because it didn't serve him and it didn't align with 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:31.240 his core values in the same way that it doesn't 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.280 align with the core values that Jess has. It's not 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:35.160 like she was at the bottom of her career and 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:36.280 couldn't get another job. 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:38.120 She was at the height of her career. 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:40.200 They were re signing another season of Packed to the 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:41.840 Rafters when she chose to leave. 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:44.280 She chose to leave. Actually it wasn't even just that 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:47.880 she ended up saying no to three or four huge productions. 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.320 So this is well and truly her choice. 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:52.840 And I guess the question is here. And like you said, Britt, 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.320 you know we have spoken on the podcast before about 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:59.440 how celebrities opened themselves up to a level of criticism. However, 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:03.560 surely when those celebrities choose to walk away from the spotlight, 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:06.520 they're allowed and entitled to privacy. And I think the 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:10.600 issue is as well, is that when a paparazzi, like normally, 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:12.480 if a paparazzi is taking photos of you down at 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:14.560 Bondi Beach, you can get in your car and you 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:17.440 can drive away. But there is just this huge and 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.760 gross invasion that happens when a paparazzi is standing across 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:23.560 from someone at their work taking photos of them when 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:25.360 they can't say, oh, I'm not going to go outside 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:27.840 and serve those tables, because then that impacts their career. 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:30.680 I'm not going to go and deliver those things at Amazon. 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:34.480 They're almost in a hostage situation where they have to 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:36.920 walk outside. They're going to have these photos taken of them, 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:39.840 and then those photos are going to be repurposed in 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:44.000 countless articles that are they're written in a positive way, 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:46.400 like if you read the actual language around it, it's 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:49.960 written with positive overtones, but the undertones of the article 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:52.880 are so shameful and it's saying that like look at 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:55.040 this fall from Grace, and I just think when we 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:57.840 see media like this, when we consume media like this, 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:00.960 I hope that other people are as angry as what 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:02.600 we are when we see this. And I know that 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:05.040 so many of you listeners would be that more so, 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.159 I think questioning what is the intention of that? 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.120 What is the purpose of that article? What do they get. 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:14.359 Out of celebrating essentially what they are classifying a for 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:15.000 from Grace? 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:17.600 And off the back of Jess's article came another article, 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:20.159 This was just a couple of days ago, about every 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:23.000 AUSSI star that has left acting or left the spotlight 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:24.399 to go and have a normal job and then it 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:26.800 goes through and it lists what everyone's done, and then 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:29.720 it lists their personal struggles. And I just think that 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:32.120 the word and this is what got me a lot 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:36.040 too about Jess, the word personal struggles. Like the first 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:38.720 word of that is personal. This is not for the world, 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:41.959 Like these personal struggles shouldn't be listed in an article 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:44.720 as to why somebody may or may not be doing 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:48.560 a certain job. So that really just I'm getting a 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:50.159 bit angry, but that really pissed me off, Like I 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:52.800 just think that that should be no one else's business 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:54.360 and it shouldn't have anything to do with what we're 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:54.840 talking about. 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:56.720 Well, I think as well, like you've hit the nail 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:58.360 on the head with that, because in terms of when 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:01.000 you say that, the over tones of the article, like 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:03.520 the what they've written, they're like, oh, she seems so happy, 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:06.080 and like it's written in a positive way. But then 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:08.080 when you at the bottom of an article write someone's 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:11.200 personal struggles, what you're actually trying to do is say, 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:13.239 look at how they failed, that's what that is. 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:14.439 Look at how they got here. 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.520 Look at how they ended up where they are. And 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:18.359 I think that there is a bigger question that we 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:20.440 needs to come into play here and a bigger point, 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:24.920 and that is why do we deem some industries successful 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:28.040 and some industries as not successful, Like no job is 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:31.800 better than another job, No job implies success over another job, 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:34.080 you know. I think, like, yes, sure, we might look 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:36.439 at the acting world, or we might look at having 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:40.120 fame as being a mark of success, But if that 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:42.560 fame comes at the cost of your own mental health, 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:46.000 if you're not able to thrive in that environment, then 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.280 that isn't a mark of success. That is like an 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:51.399 incredibly awful environment to put yourself into. But if you 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:55.040 can find happiness, fulfillment, and value and purpose in doing 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:57.880 a job that is like say, in quotations what they've 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:01.080 described as a normal jobs, so much more power and 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:03.320 value that comes in that. And I hate that we're 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:05.560 looking at it or the media looks at it through 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:08.080 a negative lens when they have the media has so 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:11.080 much impact in swaying people's perceptions. 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.240 I also think there's a big misconception around and this 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:16.400 is not for everyone. Obviously, there are the big Hollywood 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:18.679 stars that make them millions and millions of dollars per movie, 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:21.440 but for a lot of actors and actresses in the industry, 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:26.120 people think that that is directly associated with extreme wealth, 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:29.200 but it's not a lot of actors that are in Australia, 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:31.280 especially a lot of actors that you see on your TV. 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:33.600 A lot of them are normal salaries. But I think 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:35.480 we sit back as the public and we think, oh, 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:38.400 they're loaded. When that season ends or when that movie 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:40.479 is finished, and there might be a year before another movie. 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:43.199 That literally means that person is not getting an income 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:45.560 for that time. So people do need to go and 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.080 find money. COVID has happened for two years that affected 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:50.200 everybody in the world. So I don't know. I just 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:52.199 think it's something to remember when we are looking at 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:54.159 these people that a lot of them are normal people, 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:56.280 maybe not in an everyday job. 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:58.679 While we're talking about the media, we're talking about the 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:02.240 perception around how celebrities are framed, especially when it comes 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:05.520 to paparazzi photos. There was something that happened recently that 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:08.639 I thought tied into this so perfectly, and so many 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:10.320 of you, I'm sure have seen it, but for those 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:12.920 of you who haven't, there were photos of Lisa Wilkinson 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:15.560 that was taken. She was in Melbourne, she was sitting 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:17.960 at a restaurant, and she was sitting near the window 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:23.480 of the restaurant by herself on her laptop, drinking a margarita. Now, yes, woman, 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:27.040 I have your best life, living your best and fucking life, 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:29.200 doing a bit of work, having a Margie and having 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:32.760 dinner on her own. Now, there was outside that window, 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:34.359 and you've got to imagine this was dark because it 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:36.400 was nighttime. So you know, when it's dark and you're 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:39.680 sitting inside a well lit room, you can't necessarily see 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:41.879 who's outside, like of a restaurant, you know, you know, 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:44.440 it's usually darker on the street than what it is inside. 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:46.679 Lisa said she could see that there was a photographer 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:48.520 out there taking photos of her, and she was like, 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:52.040 fucking paparazzis, can't get a minute's break. But the article 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:55.119 that came out was like, Lisa Wilkinson places the napkin 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:57.480 on her lap, then she takes a bite of her broccoli, 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:00.359 then she tucks her hair behind her ear. It was 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:03.840 this grossly detailed version of what she had done that night. 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:05.960 So the photographer had been there for an extended period 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:09.320 of time watching her. That in itself has so many issues, 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:11.159 because I mean, you guys might not know, but like 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:14.040 literally every single paparazzi I have ever seen is a man. 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:17.320 Second to that, though, is that the article was framed 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:20.919 to make Lisa Wilkinson look pathetic. Here is a woman 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:24.680 on her own, eating dinner and having a margarita. How 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:27.440 sad that is the article that was put out there 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:29.080 in the world. And I think there is so much 0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:31.080 damage that can be done by the media in the 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:34.240 way that they can frame a story and then how 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:37.880 that impacts public perception of that person. Lisa Wilkinson put 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:40.520 out a really great post on Instagram and if you 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:42.800 want to see it's a pictriv Leonardo DiCaprio, and it says, 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:45.840 once you hit a certain age, you become permanently unimpressed 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:47.560 by a lot of shit. And this is what she 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:51.120 has to say in her caption. Here's to women everywhere 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:53.919 being able to happily and safely take themselves out for 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:56.240 dinner after a long day, to do some work, to 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:59.120 plow through a few dozen emails, to text some friends, 0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:02.159 to have a cheeky cocktail, to eat broccoli because hey greens, 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:05.200 catch up on some reading wear clothes, tuck their hair 0:22:05.240 --> 0:22:07.719 behind their ear and place the white napkin on their 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:11.640 lap in piece without worrying about being shamed or judged 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:15.080 or disrespected or made to feel totally violated by some 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:18.040 old creepy guye secretly taking pictures designed to make you 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:21.200 look sad and lonely when actually you're having a great 0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:23.399 night doing exactly what you want to be doing with 0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:25.480 exactly the person you want to be doing it with. 0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:29.200 Well played, Lisa Wilkinson. I'm looking at the photos now, 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:32.639 but this article and these photos were everywhere, So if 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:34.160 you didn't see them, just do a little Google search, 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:35.840 so you're not we're talking about and you'll just think, God, 0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:37.800 you're living your best life, Lisa. But it was the 0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:42.240 opening line for this. Lisa Wilkinson cuts a lonely figure 0:22:42.440 --> 0:22:45.480 while she dined out. Now, the one thing that I 0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:48.920 want to add to this is lonely and alone don't 0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:52.520 have to be interchangeable totally. It doesn't mean that you've 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:54.640 got no one to hang out with. It doesn't mean 0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:57.520 that you are super lonely and pathetic. It just means 0:22:57.520 --> 0:23:00.000 that you are comfortable with yourself. Maybe you don't feel 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:02.760 it's like socializing with anyone else that night, But Lisa 0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:05.800 Wilkinson here, she's got her laptop out in front of us. 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:07.840 She's literally away on a work trip. She's not like 0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:09.480 she's just at home. She's away on a work trip. 0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:12.159 She's doing work. And the fact that the whole article 0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:14.639 is made to look her look pathetic and lonely is 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:16.439 what really grinds my gears. 0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:18.800 We need to challenge ourselves when we read articles that 0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:22.720 have been put together, especially based on paparazzi photos. The 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:26.840 story has been completely fabricated based on that moment in time. 0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:29.879 Paparazzi photos are not indicative of what that person is 0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:32.359 going through or indicative of the space of life that 0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:34.920 they're in. And just as you said that being alone 0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:38.359 and being lonely are not interchangeable things, I think it 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:41.440 also kind of circles back to this conversation around Jess Murray, 0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:44.920 where it's like success is not defined by the occupation 0:23:45.000 --> 0:23:47.960 that you have. If Jess was struggling with her mental 0:23:47.960 --> 0:23:50.639 health by being in the limelight, but now is in 0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:53.280 a much happier and more peaceful place that is far 0:23:53.359 --> 0:23:56.240 more successful and something that we should be celebrating rather 0:23:56.280 --> 0:23:58.680 than the career options that she's chosen for herself. 0:23:58.800 --> 0:24:00.919 What I do love to see though, is that, like 0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:03.040 you just said, Laura, the media have always skewed our 0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:06.480 opinions on things without like subconsciously we're led to believe 0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:08.560 things because we're reading them all the time. What I 0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:10.520 do love to see is on both of these articles 0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:13.040 that we're talking about, the articles talking about Jess and 0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:15.760 the celebrities that are now working the quotation normal job, 0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:18.960 and the article about Lisa Wilkinson, when you read the comments, 0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:20.399 and I love to see it because a lot of 0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:22.240 the time the comments are bad, but the comments are 0:24:22.240 --> 0:24:24.879 really in both of these articles are really supportive, and 0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:27.960 it's nice to see society is pushing back against media. 0:24:28.200 --> 0:24:30.360 People are like, one of the comments is what kind 0:24:30.359 --> 0:24:32.680 of loser things this is suitable for a news article? 0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:34.840 At Leasta, You're such an incredible woman, She's so smart. 0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:37.080 You guys are simpletons. A lot of people are pushing 0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:39.199 back now and we're not being so led down the 0:24:39.200 --> 0:24:40.640 garden trail by media. 0:24:40.440 --> 0:24:42.360 And I think that that is partly the reason why 0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:44.520 we wanted to talk about this, is because we were 0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:46.879 so angry by it, and we know that so many 0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:48.800 of you guys, if you have seen the same articles, 0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:51.639 would have had those same feelings. And if you didn't 0:24:51.680 --> 0:24:54.159 have those feelings and you just read it at face value, 0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:57.080 it's probably because you hadn't unpacked the nuance of what 0:24:57.119 --> 0:25:00.160 that means and what that situation is from the being 0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:02.480 stalked by a fucking paparazzi who's a man. 0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:04.880 I reckon, it's time for accidentally, I'm filtered. 0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:07.560 Let's get into it, all right. I have quite a 0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:10.000 quick but also very funny one this morning. I've never 0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:12.639 been more embarrassed in my entire life. I was in 0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:15.240 the middle of a home waxing when I heard someone 0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:18.480 knock at the door. It was then I realized that 0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:21.120 I had completely forgotten about the electrician that was due 0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:23.160 to come that day. So I raced to the front 0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:25.720 door in my daggy ninety and I apologized to the 0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:28.920 man and explained it totally slipped my mind. I walked 0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:30.760 him through the bathroom where he had to do the 0:25:30.800 --> 0:25:33.400 work and said, oh, I'm so sorry about the wax strips. 0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:37.239 I just finished waxing my legs in quotation marks. She 0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:39.960 was generally waxing her lady parts. I went and pretended 0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:41.679 to be busy at the back in the kitchen, and 0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:44.240 I walked him out when he was finished. It was 0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:46.080 only on my way back to the bathroom that I 0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:48.440 caught a glimpse of myself in the mirror. I still 0:25:48.480 --> 0:25:51.160 had a wax strip stuck to my fucking ass crack, 0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:54.800 with my nineties stuck to the strip full exposure. I 0:25:54.920 --> 0:25:57.720 was so caught up bad because I forgot that he 0:25:57.760 --> 0:25:59.800 was coming. I forgot I had a wax strip on 0:25:59.840 --> 0:26:02.840 my asshole. There is no way that he would not 0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:05.639 have seen it as he was walking directly behind me. 0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:08.720 So the ninety was stuck up in the butt. So 0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:10.880 she knew the wax strip that was in her butt crack, 0:26:10.960 --> 0:26:13.080 that was in her ass craft. You cannot write that. 0:26:13.280 --> 0:26:15.159 Also, how do you not feel a wax strip in 0:26:15.200 --> 0:26:15.840 your butt crack? 0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:17.680 Well, she probably could feel it in there, but she 0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:19.440 probably didn't know the ninety was stuck to it. 0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:20.080 She would have just. 0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:21.720 Thought that was still in there ready to pull off. 0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:24.000 Yeah, you reckon. She was just like prepared for as 0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:24.760 soon as he left. 0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:27.200 But no, I was like, you don't need to pay 0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:28.159 me for today, lassie. 0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:31.399 The ninety was just sitting perfectly perched on top of 0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:33.400 the of the wax strip, which meant her entire butt 0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:35.560 crack and the wax strip were out on display. 0:26:35.680 --> 0:26:37.760 That reminds me of that time in the early day 0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:40.640 season one, when we started this podcast and we hired 0:26:40.800 --> 0:26:42.560 a studio and we used to go, like Laura and 0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:44.359 I used to go into this little studio to record. 0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:46.399 I remember the day you got out of your car 0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:49.000 and your dress was tacked up into your undies. Remember 0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:50.919 you walked down the main street Sydney with the dress up. 0:26:51.280 --> 0:26:54.520 I did suppressed this memory, guys. Not only did I 0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:56.919 walk with it tucked in, it was a skirt and 0:26:56.960 --> 0:27:00.639 it was completely tucked into my underwear from behind. And 0:27:00.760 --> 0:27:04.200 I walked the length the length of South Dowling Road, 0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:08.080 like I'm talking like three hundred meters, and I had 0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:08.840 a couple. 0:27:08.560 --> 0:27:10.320 Of beefs and one guy call out the. 0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:12.879 Window and I was like, okay, MoMA's got it. Today, 0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:15.320 I was really feeling myself. I'd only just had Marley. 0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:18.040 Everyone was treating me and I was like, I was feeling. 0:27:17.840 --> 0:27:19.439 Like I was getting back in shape. And it was 0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:21.600 only when this man walked up to me and I 0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:24.240 was like, fuck, I'm really I'm on fire today that 0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:26.600 he said, I'm so sorry to embarrass you, but your 0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:29.639 entire underwear is out at the back, and it was 0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:31.600 inside the top. 0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:34.240 Of my G string and my whole, my everything. It 0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:36.920 wasn't even like there weren't even Bridget Jones that had coverage. 0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:38.640 It was a G banger. It was a G banger, 0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:41.560 Blood God. Anyway you suppressed that? 0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:44.199 Okay, all right, give me your accdentally unfiltered Brittany. 0:27:44.200 --> 0:27:45.800 All right, well, I am just going to give you 0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:48.440 an innocent one today. I'm just really trying to wind 0:27:48.480 --> 0:27:50.960 back the mate. I'm not here for the PG shit. 0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:53.440 Oh well, I've got two that I've been trying to 0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:56.320 side between ones. Okay, Actually, Laura, maybe you'll relate to 0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:58.920 this in some capacity. I haven't been to too many 0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:01.480 mum at school dinner dates, but I decided I should 0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:03.840 really try and make an effort and meet some mother mums. 0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:06.639 There were twenty moms going out to dinner on a 0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:09.720 Wednesday night from my son's class, and I knew maybe 0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:11.720 two of them, so I was excited to meet some 0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:15.159 new people. I got there early, about ten minutes. I 0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:17.359 looked around the restaurant and I saw a really large 0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:20.639 table inside full of mums. I went and sat down, 0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:24.719 started to chat for about fifteen minutes. Everyone seemed really lovely, 0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:27.080 and so I turned around and saw the moms that 0:28:27.119 --> 0:28:30.200 I actually knew outside at a different table. I looked 0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:32.680 around and I said, are you guys at a school dinner? 0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:35.280 And they said no. I said, why if you let 0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:38.000 me talk to you for ten minutes? This woman just 0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:40.560 went and crashes. These women were just sitting there having 0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:42.000 like a catch up, and this woman came and just 0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:43.880 sat down and started to talk about her kid and stuff, 0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:44.920 and they all just left. 0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:49.040 That's actually really cute, and they just laughed. 0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:50.680 She was like, why did you let me speak for 0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:53.040 fifteen minutes? And they're like, well, you just seem friendly. 0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:55.880 I actually think that's adorable. 0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:58.120 It's so cute because you imagine how embarrassed you are, 0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:00.160 like because you get nervous. That's like a date, Like 0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:02.200 when you're going into a mom date. You don't know 0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:04.920 twenty people, You're nervous, you get there early, you want 0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:07.400 to impressed, you want to make friends. Imagine just going up. 0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:09.520 But then I tried to put myself in this position. 0:29:09.720 --> 0:29:11.480 If I was sitting down at a table and a 0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:13.400 girl camp and sat down and started talking, I would 0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:15.240 probably just talk to her too. I'd probably just like, oh, 0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:15.800 she's out. 0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:16.880 For a chat, would. 0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:18.160 Just mon't be a few marks deep. 0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:22.080 But imagine a moment where she has to get up 0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:23.800 and then walk and go and sit at the other table. 0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:25.800 She's like, oh, sorry, there's my actual friends. 0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:28.000 You guys are better. Maybe she'll come back at the 0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:28.560 end of the night. 0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:31.560 But anyway, guys, that is it for the intro chat. 0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:35.440 Let's get into talking to Angie Kent and doctor Izzy Smith. 0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:39.160 We are so excited to have someone who I know 0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:41.440 you're all going to be very familiar with. She was 0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:43.800 once upon a time our bachelorette. She has her own 0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:46.240 radio show and her own podcast. She was in the 0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:49.080 Jungle Man. This girl has done that. Literally every got. 0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:50.760 A book, Like, what have they not annoying her? 0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:54.640 How accomplished she is, Angie, Welcome to Life on Card. 0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:58.960 Thanks ladies. I'm so excited to be here. 0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:02.920 Do you know what's crazy is? I actually don't know, 0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:05.400 and maybe you can tell me. I don't know how 0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:08.480 many times or if we've physically met or been at 0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:10.880 anything together, but I feel like I know you really well, 0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:12.320 but I don't. Actually I was just trying to think 0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:14.080 about it. I'm like, I don't actually think we've ever 0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:14.920 met in real life. 0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:17.320 This is the joys of social media. It's like everyone 0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:19.400 who moves in the Bachelor's space thinks that they know 0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:21.280 each other, but no one really knows each other. 0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:24.280 Well, that's it, because that whole experience is such like 0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:28.560 an ancestual culty situation. You almost like bond over trauma. 0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:32.760 You're like, huh, we're family, so it kind of feels 0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:33.160 like it. 0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:35.800 Speaking of trauma though, And something that we also bond 0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:39.720 over is on every episode we do an accidentally unfiltered story, 0:30:39.880 --> 0:30:42.920 which is basically just your most embarrassing story, which you 0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:44.080 tell and we all laugh about it. 0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:45.840 Which I have a feeling You've got a lot. I 0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:47.200 don't know why I have that feeling. 0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:50.720 I have so many. I seriously, my whole life is 0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:54.400 an embarrassing moment. But I messaged my manager when I 0:30:54.440 --> 0:30:56.640 got this femail asking. I was like, what's a good story, 0:30:56.680 --> 0:30:59.800 and he's like, oh, he had one in mind, and 0:30:59.800 --> 0:31:01.720 then and I was like, what about this one? And 0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:02.920 he was like, if you want to say it, you 0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:04.560 can say it, but that's cooked. But I'm going to 0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:05.200 do it anyway. 0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:07.440 No, this is what we want. 0:31:08.000 --> 0:31:10.760 This has never been I've never even like I fully 0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:13.600 blanked it, like I fully blanked this happened, And I 0:31:13.640 --> 0:31:16.680 feel like this is the perfect space to share it 0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:19.960 because you'll semi be able to relate in the sense 0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:25.080 that it is a batchet related embarrassing story, so amazing. 0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:29.440 Maybe Bachelorette alone was just embarrassing enough as is, because 0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:32.120 I'm so awkward, I'm so sweaty, So there was like 0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:35.480 probably fifty thousand, but this one I've trauma blocked as well, 0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:36.680 but I've remembered it recently. 0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:38.600 Do you know what, though, Angie, there's nothing worse than 0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:40.440 when we get guests on the podcast and they're so 0:31:40.560 --> 0:31:43.080 scared to tell a good embarrassing story that they're like, oh, 0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:44.720 this one day I fell over haha. 0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:47.480 And you're like, no, man, I need the trauma. Did 0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:49.880 you shot yourself for your fellow Otherwise we don't want 0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:50.040 to know. 0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:54.160 We want to know, we want to know the nitty gritty. No, 0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:57.000 this one's pretty cooked. Hey, like this one, okay, let 0:31:57.040 --> 0:31:59.480 me paint the scene. So obviously, you have your first 0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:02.240 night whatever it is, and it's full on. You're exhausted. 0:32:02.360 --> 0:32:05.000 You meet all these people and you're just like holy shit, 0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:06.960 and then you go on your first date. My first 0:32:07.040 --> 0:32:09.080 day happened to be a twenty four hour date, and 0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:11.320 I picked the person that I ended up picking at 0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:13.840 the end, Carlin. For twenty four hours, we went camping. 0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:16.400 You know, it was lovely. It's not really twenty four hours. 0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:17.800 But we got to drink a lot more than what 0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:20.000 you normally do. That I found out because you know, 0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:23.320 you're monitored, and we were drinking red wine and you know, 0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:25.600 it's fun. Got a little bit drunk, but had to 0:32:25.640 --> 0:32:27.800 get up super early, as you do. And the next 0:32:27.880 --> 0:32:29.880 day was the photo shoot, so you guys know the 0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:30.520 photo shoot. 0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:33.440 Oh, the second date. It's like the first group date. 0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:37.320 No, I wasn't invited on that. I was like four 0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:38.280 people who didn't go it with me. 0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:40.080 Oh yeah, not everybody does them. 0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:42.840 It's kind of like, if you're someone who follows Bacci, 0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:44.760 you would know this, but if you don't follow Bacci, 0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:47.280 the first group date is a photo shoot. It's usually 0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:49.160 done for Woman's Day or something like that, but they 0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:50.360 kind of turn it into a date. 0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:51.000 It's weird. 0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:52.200 It's a weird premise for a date. 0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:55.520 It's so weird. And mine was animal instincts because they 0:32:55.560 --> 0:32:57.240 knew how awkward I was, so they were like, let's 0:32:57.320 --> 0:33:00.080 just make this fun and awkward for her anyway. And 0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:01.440 I had a lot of red wine the night before, 0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:03.680 so you know what your stomach's like right with red wine, 0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:08.360 Like it's not good. And we were at camping, so 0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:12.920 there was this story is so so that was the 0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:16.720 only drop toilet and I knew the boys were coming, 0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:19.080 but Carlin didn't know. And I was like, oh my gosh. 0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:20.720 I was getting nervous for Carlin because he thought we 0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:23.160 were gonna have this like lovely day together. And then 0:33:23.200 --> 0:33:25.240 all the boys come in. There's like ten of them 0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:27.640 or something I can't remember, and my boys were just 0:33:27.680 --> 0:33:30.920 so full on in it stuff. They're all coming over. 0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:33.560 But prior to it, I was like, oh my god, 0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:37.080 I need to shit, like and there's only a drop twin. 0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:39.840 I love that you're whispering this angie, like you're whispering 0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:41.080 like all Australias. 0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:44.800 Like I said, everybody's not gonna And I go to 0:33:44.880 --> 0:33:48.160 the toilet and I've got this like Kimmy obviously starle me. 0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:50.240 We love Kimmy, we love her. I think I'm in 0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:52.520 like jeans, a little top and like this long. I 0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:54.560 think it was like a cream coat. You know how 0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:57.360 they had the ties, so you're like, you undo the tie. 0:33:57.640 --> 0:34:01.960 And I've sat down, not okay, tell me you shit 0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:02.240 on it. 0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:05.280 And my tie was in the toilet. 0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:06.240 In the drop toilet. 0:34:06.360 --> 0:34:09.960 Other people's sit was in the toilet. I've shot all 0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:14.239 over my white fucking coat. I'm sat up and I've gone, 0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:16.520 oh my god, and i know all the boys are coming, 0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:19.279 and I'm like Carlin's just was so pretty and so 0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:21.319 lovely what I thought he was. And I was like, 0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:23.960 oh god it was and it was stunk, and I 0:34:24.000 --> 0:34:26.000 was like, oh my god, I feel sick. I'm so sick. 0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:28.000 I wasn't close with the free because like day two, 0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:30.560 so I couldn't be like Kimmi, I've shot myself, or 0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:33.200 like Wendy, I've shot myself. So I'm in there with 0:34:33.239 --> 0:34:36.040 the sink, scrubbing the shit of other people's and my 0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:39.960 own off my coat. I've got my essential oils out 0:34:39.960 --> 0:34:41.480 of the tent and I'm like, hang on, I just 0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:44.120 got to take a panetole. And I'm like, I was 0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:46.000 so nervous. I was sitting there jam I was there 0:34:46.040 --> 0:34:48.560 because it was for Sydney Confidential. And I've just met Jama. 0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:50.560 I've had to hug all the boys with my shit coat. 0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:53.560 Wait, you still wore it. You didn't go back to 0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:54.720 styling and say, hey. 0:34:54.680 --> 0:34:57.280 I had to wear it. I washed it in the sink. 0:34:57.719 --> 0:34:59.160 She goes to Stay two. I didn't know I could 0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:00.000 tell my shit on my coat. 0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:03.840 I couldn't tell anybody. So I've washed it in the 0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:06.439 scen just the strip, not the coat, and I've washed 0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:07.600 it in the sceingk and I've walked it and I 0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:09.840 smelt it and I was like, okay, it's fine. I 0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:12.160 then had to get dressed, like into all my little 0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:13.359 outfits and stuff for the photo. 0:35:13.400 --> 0:35:13.640 Shit. 0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:17.080 But I stood there introducing the group date being like 0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:19.360 animal instincts in me shit code. 0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:23.480 I cannot wait for the socials for this episode to 0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:25.480 dig out a photo of you in that code. 0:35:25.520 --> 0:35:27.319 That's going to be the cover photo of. 0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:29.600 Okay, we need to see if it's the right Unless 0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:31.799 I took it off. Maybe I did. I think I 0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:34.319 was too scared because I didn't know people well. And 0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:36.120 by the end I was just like my boobs wow. 0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:37.960 And if I was drunk, I was like, just the 0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:38.799 boys like you. 0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:41.560 By the end, you're like, yeah, I've shipped myself again. Guys, 0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:43.279 can we change my outfit? You're just so much more 0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:43.719 open it. 0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:45.839 You just started using it as actually a tactic. If 0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:47.680 you didn't like your outfit, you're like, oh, sorry, I 0:35:47.680 --> 0:35:48.040 put it. 0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:48.520 In the toilet. 0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:50.240 I shout on it. I shout on it again. 0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:52.960 One of the actually the reason that could be it 0:35:53.040 --> 0:35:54.040 we could shut up shop. 0:35:54.040 --> 0:35:54.200 Now. 0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:55.719 That's the reason why we got you on the on 0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:57.200 the show today. We just wanted to hear you talk 0:35:57.200 --> 0:35:58.920 about your shit code. But there is something else that 0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:00.680 we want to talk about, and that is you have 0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:05.759 been super open and very vulnerable sharing your endimetriosis and 0:36:05.840 --> 0:36:08.640 PCOS journey. What was that journey like in terms of 0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:11.160 finding out that you had endometriosis and finding out that 0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:13.560 you had PCOS? How did that kind of come about? 0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:18.440 So I always struggled with my period. I always there 0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:20.839 was always something odd about it. It would come, it would go, 0:36:21.040 --> 0:36:23.480 but I was always just told because I suffered really 0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:26.759 badly from disordered eating, that was kind of my own 0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:29.279 fault that I kind of, you know, messed up my 0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:33.200 own period. But I was about twenty five, I think 0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:35.319 where I just said to my and she was like, 0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:37.279 I got adult acne again, and I was like, I'm 0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:39.439 just having the worst periods. And she was like, let's 0:36:39.440 --> 0:36:41.000 pop you on the pill and we'll sort that out. 0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:42.520 And I was like, I really never wanted to be 0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:44.359 on the pill. I don't I didn't care for it. 0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:46.760 And we did that and it just nothing was working. 0:36:46.800 --> 0:36:49.279 I was bleeding through and then she was like, I reckon, 0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:54.120 you've got endometriosis. So sometimes in some cases you can 0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:57.880 do the what do you call it? I've had a 0:36:57.920 --> 0:36:59.560 brain freeze. I have them all the time, and I 0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:00.359 can't think of it. 0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:01.760 Do you mean an ultrasound or something? 0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:03.879 Yeah, they did the ultra sound ultra sound. I don't 0:37:03.880 --> 0:37:05.359 know why I always forget that weld. I have them 0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:07.080 all the time, I think because I hate them so much. 0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:09.440 I don't like to remember the word. So I had 0:37:09.440 --> 0:37:12.839 the ultrasound and I couldn't see anything, and they were like, well, 0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:15.000 usually you have to have keyhole surgery in order to 0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:17.080 a laparosopy in order to be diagnosed. So I had 0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:20.920 my first laparoscopy and I did have endemyitriosists at that point. 0:37:21.000 --> 0:37:22.920 I don't know how long I had it for, and 0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:26.240 I didn't have pcos. At that point, my first surgery 0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:30.160 was so ghastly. I went through the public system and 0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:32.920 it was just I didn't know my surgeon, I didn't 0:37:32.960 --> 0:37:37.319 know endemetriosis. I didn't really there wasn't much noise around it, 0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:40.200 even though that was what eight years ago. So yeah, 0:37:40.200 --> 0:37:43.560 it was quite a traumatic experience. I didn't feel heard 0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:45.000 and I didn't know anything about it. 0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:48.160 So how old were you when this when the discovery 0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:48.680 was made? 0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:51.840 I think I had keyholes. My first key hole slaparoscopy 0:37:52.000 --> 0:37:57.319 was twenty six, twenty six, twenty seven, and I was 0:37:57.600 --> 0:37:59.920 pretty much traumatized by that experience and I didn't want 0:37:59.920 --> 0:38:03.279 to do it again. But then simpsons kept getting worse 0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:06.680 because my surgery actually wasn't performed properly. I ended up 0:38:06.760 --> 0:38:10.440 very unwell and emergency and had an infection. Then I 0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:12.840 got onto a really good surgeon who was private but 0:38:12.920 --> 0:38:15.680 did public. He also didn't tell me I have p coos. 0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:19.760 And then by my third surgery, which was this February fourteenth, 0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:23.680 Happy Valentine's Day to me. 0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:24.200 Me and my ovaries, me and my. 0:38:24.280 --> 0:38:28.400 Cis so hot. I just have this old cis heat. Dude, 0:38:28.520 --> 0:38:31.120 just cutting me open. So you could ask me out 0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:34.880 on a date. First guy. Yeah, so he found he 0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:37.440 found heaps of stuff. But before my third surgery, it 0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:40.440 was last year before I left Sydney actually and got 0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:43.480 stuck in the Sydney lockdown. He was like, you're riddled 0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:45.080 with cyst and I was like, I didn't even know 0:38:45.120 --> 0:38:47.319 I had that, And he's like, be really careful with 0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:49.520 your stress because it's going to make it worse. Went 0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:51.960 to Sydney, did Dancing with Stars, got trapped down there, 0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:55.440 came back and I was just like, whoo, I was riddled. 0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:58.600 I was absolutely riddled with sis. Yeah, polcistic overies. 0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:00.239 And this was when you found out. So it was 0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:04.000 it was almost eight years after your first endometriosis diagnosis. 0:39:04.360 --> 0:39:06.040 Yeah, six years, six years. 0:39:06.160 --> 0:39:08.480 And were you having symptoms at that time that had 0:39:08.480 --> 0:39:10.880 differed from when you had endometriosis or was it just 0:39:11.000 --> 0:39:13.879 kind of like you had become almost it had become 0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:17.319 almost normal to have so many issues in terms of 0:39:17.360 --> 0:39:19.919 like irregular periods and pain. And yeah. 0:39:20.080 --> 0:39:24.000 See it's so hard with labeling it down to one thing. 0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:27.640 Because I have I have endometriosis. I have ad no myiosis, 0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:31.399 which is endometriosis as evil cousin they call it, which 0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:34.080 there's hardly anything on that at the moment I'm trying 0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:36.759 to learn. I've obviously just been recently smashed with all 0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:40.160 these diagnoses. So for me learning that is a process 0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:42.479 in itself and is quite overwhelming. So I get mixed 0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:44.360 up with all the symptoms because I have so many. 0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:48.520 So I've ad no PCOS, and I've recently fibroids, and 0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:52.640 I've recently been diagnosed with intercistor cystidis. So my symptoms 0:39:52.640 --> 0:39:57.239 have always been really odd. Period with PCOS, the main 0:39:57.280 --> 0:40:00.680 one was I had my last period in August for city, 0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:05.360 and only just got my first period again last month. 0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:07.560 So what's that eight months no period? 0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:10.440 I mean, talk about over achieving andji, you couldn't just 0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:13.799 have one syndrome. You have to have don't just don't 0:40:13.800 --> 0:40:15.919 just stop at one. Well, that's the thing when you've 0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:19.359 I guess it's almost impossible to when you've got two, three, 0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:23.319 four things going on in this one confined space. How 0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:26.319 are you supposed to know what symptom is causing what? 0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:29.239 So I don't imagine there is a way to differentiate that. 0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:32.600 It's quite hard. I think the biggest thing for anybody 0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:34.520 with any chests like this. What I say when I 0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:37.080 ever do any talks is that you know your body 0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:40.240 better than anyone else. And the biggest thing is period 0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:43.319 pain is not normal. We were I think we're all 0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:45.640 kind of around the same age where even still where 0:40:45.640 --> 0:40:48.120 we were brought up to be like just get over it. 0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:50.239 You know you've got your period. You didn't even learn 0:40:50.280 --> 0:40:51.920 much about it was pretty much you get your period, 0:40:51.960 --> 0:40:56.080 you could have a baby. The end period pain isn't normal. Yeah, 0:40:56.080 --> 0:41:00.360 it was cooked. And that's my biggest less said and 0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:02.840 learning is in this is that so many women have 0:41:02.920 --> 0:41:05.600 reached out to me and told me these horrific stories 0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:07.960 and how they've been medically gas lit. But if you 0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:11.640 have irregular periods and you're skipping periods for months on end, 0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:15.520 if you're in pain, if you're fainting, if you're noticing, 0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:18.360 you've got like I started to get like random ass 0:41:18.440 --> 0:41:21.000 hair growing in players as I've never seen before. I 0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:23.560 gained a lot of weight. I went from I had 0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:25.560 a bit of an issue though, so and PCO was 0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:27.120 dis sorted eating more because you gain all this weight 0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:29.680 for no reason, what a hormone based thing. But you're 0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:32.120 not eating anymore your creating's changed, and you're just like, 0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:34.560 what's going on. So I went from like a ridiculous 0:41:34.600 --> 0:41:37.880 weight to gaining about maybe eight kilos, and I was 0:41:37.920 --> 0:41:40.279 kind of like, what's going on? And my acne came 0:41:40.360 --> 0:41:43.439 back and the anxiety and depression, and they're the main 0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:47.520 symptoms for PCO west. But again, everybody is so completely 0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:50.840 different in how they experience any of these chronic and 0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:51.840 visible illnesses. 0:41:52.320 --> 0:41:54.319 You mentioned something before, and I think it's kind of 0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:56.480 really interesting to circle back on this, but you said 0:41:56.719 --> 0:42:00.719 feeling like you were being medically gaslate. What was your experience, 0:42:00.760 --> 0:42:02.520 and I guess, knowing that you had been through a 0:42:02.560 --> 0:42:05.239 few different doctors and a few different surgeons, what was 0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:08.040 your experience in getting to that point of a diagnosis. 0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:14.480 I still feel that I'm not heard sometimes. I often 0:42:14.600 --> 0:42:17.359 leave feeling a little bit because a lot of men 0:42:17.400 --> 0:42:21.080 work a guyinos, which I find quite interesting. They're great 0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:23.840 with the medical side of things, obviously, but they don't 0:42:23.840 --> 0:42:27.200 know the trauma response and the anxiety and the stress 0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:29.400 that comes when with it. They just know, well, this 0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:31.960 is what happens when you have it and you need surgery, 0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:34.200 see you later. They don't look after you after it right, 0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:36.799 they don't hold your hand after you being everything taken 0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:40.640 out of you. I just felt like, for example, with 0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:43.279 the intercestual cystatus, which is a bladder condition, I was 0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:45.359 always just told I was an anxious person. That's why 0:42:45.400 --> 0:42:49.440 I peed so much. My whole bladder was completely just 0:42:50.440 --> 0:42:54.480 a red blood. Like I saw pictures recently after my surgery. 0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:57.440 It was just like this round thing of just inflammation 0:42:57.560 --> 0:42:59.759 and blood. But then growing up it was just like, oh, 0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:02.040 you're you're just got anxiety. Well, no, I probably had 0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:04.840 anxiety because I was riddled in pain, but nobody diagnosed 0:43:04.840 --> 0:43:07.640 me with anything exactly. So I just feel like it 0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:10.680 was that constant passing around. If you've just got anxiety, 0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:13.280 you've just got anxiety opened me up. My whole body 0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:15.839 had turned on me, and of course I had anxiety. 0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:18.040 I was in so much pain and I didn't know why. 0:43:18.360 --> 0:43:20.360 So it's one of those things where I feel like 0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:23.520 we're often medically gas lip because we're just told just 0:43:23.560 --> 0:43:25.040 to get just to get on with it. 0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:29.120 Has anyone specialist GP, anyone or your research. Has anyone 0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:31.560 told you if everything you have the AD no, the 0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:36.320 intersitial societists, the pcos, the ENDO, any of them, related 0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:38.880 to each other. Is there a direct connection with anything 0:43:38.880 --> 0:43:40.880 else that you've got, or are you just unlucky that 0:43:40.920 --> 0:43:42.879 you've just got all this shit going on. 0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:46.600 If anybody's gonna get anything, it's going to be me. 0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:51.440 I've always said, because I've got Celiac's disease as well, whoo, 0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:56.799 it's all inflammation based, So I've always there's no I 0:43:56.840 --> 0:44:00.160 don't think there's any medical, real you know, anything to 0:44:00.200 --> 0:44:02.560 back this up. But I think because I've got so 0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:06.880 much inflammation in my body, I feel that due to 0:44:07.960 --> 0:44:11.000 maybe having my eating disorder so terribly for so long, 0:44:11.040 --> 0:44:15.120 I caused a lot of issues in my body. I 0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:17.040 often don't like to think about that because I don't 0:44:17.040 --> 0:44:18.920 want to blame myself, and I've done a lot of 0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:22.040 work emotionally and mentally around it because I'm not endometrious 0:44:22.120 --> 0:44:26.120 or adenomyosis or pcos. I'm just experiencing it. Because it's 0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:28.319 so often that we get attached to thinking that we 0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:32.080 are what we have right, and then that just makes 0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:35.200 it worse. The pain is worse, Everything is just so 0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:38.560 much bigger. I feel that what I did to myself 0:44:38.600 --> 0:44:42.280 growing up may have a little bit of a part 0:44:42.560 --> 0:44:46.160 in the inflammation of it and it being as bad 0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:49.520 as what it was. And obviously the disordered eating can 0:44:49.560 --> 0:44:52.239 really mess with your insulin levels, which PCOS is a 0:44:52.320 --> 0:44:54.400 huge thing with. But look a lot of it. They 0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:57.359 say it's genetics. Again, my mum never thought to check, 0:44:57.400 --> 0:44:59.560 my nan never thought to check, and they both suffered 0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:02.880 with really bad periods. A lot of it is genetics. 0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:08.320 And yeah, producing extra male hormones which can be from stress, 0:45:08.400 --> 0:45:12.200 and I was very stressed growing up, so maybe, But. 0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:14.279 I think also so hugely what you just said, like 0:45:14.320 --> 0:45:17.320 your mum and your grandparents and them not getting checked. 0:45:17.600 --> 0:45:20.440 It's like they were of the generation where women just 0:45:20.480 --> 0:45:22.879 didn't and did exactly that when they were told. They 0:45:22.880 --> 0:45:25.360 had the perception that periods are supposed to be painful. 0:45:25.360 --> 0:45:27.920 And I think it's only with our wave of generation 0:45:28.160 --> 0:45:31.040 that women are saying this is not right, like this, 0:45:31.160 --> 0:45:33.719 something here is wrong. And there's almost this wave and 0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:37.480 push of talking about things like PCOS, talking about endometriosis, 0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:40.000 a conversation that wasn't on the table ten years ago. 0:45:40.360 --> 0:45:41.080 It really wasn't. 0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:43.719 In terms of what you do for your own pain, 0:45:43.840 --> 0:45:46.200 in terms of what you do for pain management, what 0:45:46.400 --> 0:45:48.080 has worked for you so far or what are the 0:45:48.080 --> 0:45:51.879 treatments or processes that you have, either you've used or 0:45:51.920 --> 0:45:54.239 whether it's been surgery, that have been beneficial to you, 0:45:54.520 --> 0:45:55.040 trialed and. 0:45:55.000 --> 0:46:00.759 Tested, child, I've done it all. I'm very big on approaches. 0:46:00.840 --> 0:46:03.480 I've got an amazing team that I've cultivated now. But 0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:06.040 it did. It wasn't always like that. I mostly focused 0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:08.799 on what my GP told me, which she's amazing, the 0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:10.960 one I was seeing in Sydney. But again she's a 0:46:11.000 --> 0:46:14.440 general practitioner, so she only generally practiced like touches on 0:46:14.480 --> 0:46:18.000 everything right. So I had a beautiful natural path that 0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:21.160 I actually lost this year. When you have all these 0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:25.840 conditions and you feel so let down and often not heard, 0:46:26.239 --> 0:46:30.120 to have somebody that is your safe person. And she 0:46:30.280 --> 0:46:33.160 put me in touch and with the right people that 0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:36.200 would listen to me, or what the best surgeons or 0:46:36.560 --> 0:46:39.239 what I was eating, and helped me through what my 0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:41.840 body needs for PCOS, certain homes I could take for 0:46:41.880 --> 0:46:44.959 inflammation because the idea of taking painkillers all the time 0:46:45.000 --> 0:46:47.200 gave me anxiety, which would then cause an end of 0:46:47.280 --> 0:46:51.040 mateiosis flare up or an into sister societies flare up 0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:54.120 because stress often causes flare up. So I say get 0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:57.719 yourself a really, really good natural path. It's like a hairdresser. 0:46:57.719 --> 0:47:00.319 I always say this, if you're going to somebody and 0:47:00.360 --> 0:47:02.480 they're not listening to you, it's exactly the same as 0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:04.080 going to a hairdresser and they keep giving you a 0:47:04.120 --> 0:47:06.279 shit cut. You're not going to keep going back to them, 0:47:06.320 --> 0:47:08.680 are you. So find somebody that will listen to you. Also, 0:47:09.120 --> 0:47:12.600 I highly recommendatural remedies. Speak to somebody that really is 0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:15.800 like a dietitian in the chronic illness, not just somebody 0:47:15.800 --> 0:47:18.120 that's like, well, this diet's going to work for anybody, 0:47:18.200 --> 0:47:22.239 you know, that's tailored to pcos or and demetriosis or 0:47:22.280 --> 0:47:26.120 whatever you have going on. And a really good pain psychologist. 0:47:26.160 --> 0:47:29.000 I've just started seeing one and that's been really good. 0:47:29.520 --> 0:47:32.920 I'll see that's interesting. So what do they coach you 0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:35.000 through how to mentally deal with the pain or how 0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:38.120 to like remove like is it like a meditative removing 0:47:38.160 --> 0:47:41.080 yourself state that you put into or like what's that about. 0:47:41.239 --> 0:47:43.920 I've only just started with that, and it's it's going 0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:46.880 to be more because I've been suffering really bad panic 0:47:46.880 --> 0:47:50.160 attacks lately because of the nerve damage and everything around there. 0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:53.000 The instant response to my head is like something really 0:47:53.040 --> 0:47:55.600 bad is going on. So it's kind of just knowing 0:47:55.640 --> 0:47:58.200 when you have that pain what to do. Yeah, like 0:47:58.280 --> 0:48:01.560 get your heat pack laid down, listen to something that's 0:48:01.600 --> 0:48:04.720 gonna bring you out of that state of fight or flight. 0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:07.520 Know that you're not dying, You're just in a lot 0:48:07.560 --> 0:48:07.920 of pain. 0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:10.600 And we know thoughts are a powerful thing. But in 0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:13.919 terms of being at home besides a heat pack, laying 0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:16.760 down and relaxing, like Laura has used a TENS machine 0:48:16.800 --> 0:48:20.440 before for when you're in labor, and we know now. 0:48:20.600 --> 0:48:22.480 I didn't actually know this, but I do now. I 0:48:22.520 --> 0:48:24.520 know that you can use it for things like pcos 0:48:24.560 --> 0:48:26.600 and Demetrios's pain. Have you ever tried that? 0:48:27.120 --> 0:48:29.560 I actually have it, and everybody's so shocked by that. 0:48:29.680 --> 0:48:31.880 I have this like little I usually carry it with 0:48:31.880 --> 0:48:34.200 me everywhere just because I have a flower. But it's 0:48:34.239 --> 0:48:37.200 this like little water bottle and you can bring it 0:48:37.239 --> 0:48:38.560 with you and you plug it in and you hitt 0:48:38.640 --> 0:48:40.279 and you go like that and it heats itself up 0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:42.200 in the plug. I've only used that, but I've never 0:48:42.320 --> 0:48:44.960 used the TENS. I've heard I should, but I don't know. 0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:48.000 Well, Bush is actually one of our sponsors, which is 0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:50.759 very very convenient. So I will if you want to 0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:53.319 give one a world that is a poe. Yes, So 0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:55.359 I'm gonna I'll get your address after this and I'll 0:48:55.400 --> 0:48:57.279 send you one to have a go, especially if you 0:48:57.320 --> 0:48:59.719 haven't used it, because it may be a secret superpower. 0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:02.359 Could you imagine. I wish there was a portable one 0:49:02.360 --> 0:49:04.439 that I could wear under all my clothes all the time. 0:49:05.080 --> 0:49:07.480 I think, I think so like the one I use 0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:10.040 when I was pregnant. It's tiny and like as and 0:49:10.080 --> 0:49:11.799 I used it when I was in labor, and you 0:49:11.840 --> 0:49:14.359 can chuck the pack part in your pocket. Well that's 0:49:14.440 --> 0:49:16.520 I mean, they're all slightly different, but you just put 0:49:16.560 --> 0:49:17.840 the tabs on and you put the pack and then 0:49:17.880 --> 0:49:20.840 you can bump it up. Yeah, I mean like setting 0:49:20.920 --> 0:49:23.120 five would have blitzed your ass off like it was like, 0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:25.680 but you can kind of go on the lower settings. 0:49:26.480 --> 0:49:31.040 In terms of your PCOS and endometriosis. How costly has 0:49:31.040 --> 0:49:33.759 this been for you, the cost of the procedures, the 0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:38.120 cost of treatment, the costs of therapies. What impact financial 0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:39.520 impact do you think that has had on you? 0:49:39.680 --> 0:49:43.320 And have you had any level of assistance from Medicare 0:49:43.560 --> 0:49:46.319 or what is covered under your private health insurance for 0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:48.320 people that are scared to go down this path. 0:49:48.960 --> 0:49:53.239 Look, I've I'm a great example of learn through me 0:49:53.360 --> 0:49:55.799 because I seriously have. That's why I'm so open about 0:49:55.800 --> 0:49:57.839 sharing this. I don't do it for attention. I don't 0:49:57.880 --> 0:50:01.239 need people's sympathy or attention by any means. I do 0:50:01.320 --> 0:50:03.560 it because I want to create more awareness around it. 0:50:03.600 --> 0:50:06.600 And I would say, if you're going to be getting laparoscopies, 0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:09.839 definitely have private health because my last one I went 0:50:09.920 --> 0:50:13.080 private with my private surgeon and through private hospital, and 0:50:13.160 --> 0:50:15.799 my health insurance hadn't kicked in yet four and I 0:50:15.840 --> 0:50:18.239 only had like the basic one. And I've learned the 0:50:18.239 --> 0:50:21.080 hard way now because my surgery all up, I think, 0:50:21.360 --> 0:50:26.120 let's say probably nine thousand dollars just for the surgery. 0:50:26.160 --> 0:50:28.360 That's just for the surgery. That's not for every appointment 0:50:28.400 --> 0:50:30.160 I go. When I go see my guano, when I 0:50:30.160 --> 0:50:32.239 go see my health care specialist, when I go see 0:50:32.280 --> 0:50:35.840 my physio. I was getting treatments for my intersitial cystiatis 0:50:36.160 --> 0:50:38.320 every week I went to see him. The needle alone 0:50:38.360 --> 0:50:41.719 that the syringe they injected into my urethra was two 0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:43.759 hundred and seventy and then he was one hundred and 0:50:43.800 --> 0:50:44.959 fifty every week. 0:50:45.080 --> 0:50:45.840 That's huge. 0:50:46.160 --> 0:50:48.319 I wouldn't have been able to afford that when I 0:50:48.520 --> 0:50:51.480 was a twenty six when I first got diagnosed. So 0:50:51.560 --> 0:50:53.399 that's why I did go through public and I got 0:50:53.440 --> 0:50:56.680 butchered and I didn't felt feel held and supported, And 0:50:56.719 --> 0:50:59.080 I understand why that happens to women who has that 0:50:59.160 --> 0:51:01.600 money laying around. It's only fortunate enough now that I've 0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:04.400 worked quite a lot, and but I still budget, like 0:51:04.560 --> 0:51:07.400 I don't have willy nearly three hundred bucks to just 0:51:07.480 --> 0:51:09.960 be throwing around to have somebody stick a syringe in 0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:12.440 my norm care every week, Like nobody wants to do that. 0:51:12.440 --> 0:51:15.160 That's people's rent, that's people's whole, what they budget for 0:51:15.239 --> 0:51:16.960 rent and bills and stuff. And to be doing that 0:51:17.040 --> 0:51:20.120 every single week and not have any assistance. 0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:22.080 It's not fair. I think what women have to pay 0:51:22.120 --> 0:51:24.960 for them what's not covered Medicare. I'll get like thirty 0:51:25.000 --> 0:51:27.160 forty bucks back every time I see my guyin no or. 0:51:27.440 --> 0:51:29.719 I don't think I get anything back for physiotherapy, which 0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:31.799 is huge because pelvic floor we have a lot of 0:51:31.800 --> 0:51:35.120 perfect flow issues with people who have these invisible illnesses, 0:51:35.400 --> 0:51:37.520 so it's never ending, my psych I don't. I think 0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:40.160 maybe I get a Medicare. You can go through and 0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:44.120 get the healthcare plan for that kind of stuff, to 0:51:44.160 --> 0:51:45.640 make sure you do that. If you want to see 0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:48.400 a psych for your pain. But you know what, like 0:51:48.480 --> 0:51:51.360 I would say, you're going to be getting surgeries, definitely 0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:53.719 get private health. I know it's so expensive and then 0:51:53.719 --> 0:51:56.359 you get the allied appointments that do help, so learn 0:51:56.440 --> 0:51:59.000 through me. Otherwise you're out of pocket. You know, nine 0:51:59.080 --> 0:52:01.640 grand and that's that was a lot. That was a 0:52:01.680 --> 0:52:05.000 real big kick in the ovaries to think like I 0:52:05.080 --> 0:52:07.960 did not ask for any of this, and I'm having 0:52:08.040 --> 0:52:10.440 to pay for you to remove it. But then if 0:52:10.440 --> 0:52:13.840 I needed a hysterectomy, they will fight you fucking with 0:52:14.000 --> 0:52:17.360 everything to make you not get one. It's just very bizarre. 0:52:17.640 --> 0:52:20.880 The medical system isn't team women yet or people with vaginas. 0:52:20.920 --> 0:52:23.320 I should say, because I'm not all women who have periods, 0:52:23.400 --> 0:52:25.560 you know, they don't identify as women, not all people, 0:52:25.600 --> 0:52:27.719 I should say, so, yeah, we're not quite there yet. 0:52:27.920 --> 0:52:29.839 For people with vaginas, I don't think at all. 0:52:30.160 --> 0:52:32.719 And if you're having so many different like for having 0:52:32.760 --> 0:52:35.799 these different chronic illnesses. What is it for you? And 0:52:35.840 --> 0:52:37.680 how does it feel? I should say how does it feel? 0:52:37.680 --> 0:52:38.360 But what is it like? 0:52:38.440 --> 0:52:40.440 Having sex? Is that affected? 0:52:40.760 --> 0:52:43.239 So with the relationships and sex, I think right now 0:52:43.400 --> 0:52:47.000 that's kind of for me personally. Everybody's different, it's non existent. 0:52:47.120 --> 0:52:51.000 I think the fear of having to explain to somebody 0:52:51.400 --> 0:52:54.040 all of these things that I have going on. I 0:52:54.080 --> 0:52:57.439 can't even comprehend it, let alone a partner. I'm sure 0:52:57.440 --> 0:52:59.160 there is people that would hold space for it, but 0:52:59.200 --> 0:53:01.439 I'm not at the stage where I feel comfortable enough 0:53:01.440 --> 0:53:04.399 to allow somebody to leading up to it without knowing 0:53:04.440 --> 0:53:09.000 I had all these chronic invisible illnesses. Sex was so painful, 0:53:09.560 --> 0:53:12.040 so painful. You know, it gets to the point where 0:53:12.080 --> 0:53:14.440 I'm comfortable and I can enjoy it, But I got 0:53:14.480 --> 0:53:16.680 to be with somebody to feel comfortable enough to even 0:53:16.760 --> 0:53:19.719 relax for it to get in. You know, have like 0:53:19.840 --> 0:53:22.920 men find that hot too when you're really tight. Side note, dudes, 0:53:23.040 --> 0:53:24.839 a lot of the time when you're really tight, it's 0:53:24.840 --> 0:53:26.720 because you've got pelvic floor issues. 0:53:26.800 --> 0:53:29.560 It's like, Oh, I'm not even gonna go into it. 0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:34.200 Do it? Do it? Well? We'd go down a whole 0:53:34.239 --> 0:53:36.839 track of like what men don't get insects, which is 0:53:37.080 --> 0:53:38.480 this is not what the podcast is. 0:53:38.600 --> 0:53:40.680 I mean, we've had a whole conversation about men thinking 0:53:41.080 --> 0:53:42.160 not knowing how many holes there are. 0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:44.040 So I think that there's like many things we can 0:53:44.080 --> 0:53:46.480 talk about. But I have I have a really good 0:53:46.520 --> 0:53:49.799 friend that has uh she has endo and pcos, but 0:53:50.080 --> 0:53:53.200 she sex is so and I didn't know this until 0:53:53.239 --> 0:53:56.240 I became good friends with her. Sex is so painful 0:53:56.280 --> 0:53:58.840 to her that she's like I started having long distance 0:53:58.880 --> 0:54:01.720 relationships because it was easy out for me. I didn't 0:54:01.760 --> 0:54:03.840 have to have sex all the time. I could develop 0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:06.600 that relationship that was strong enough that when we did meet, 0:54:06.640 --> 0:54:09.160 I could be more explanatory about like why you need 0:54:09.200 --> 0:54:11.560 to be really gentle, why we need to take our time. 0:54:11.960 --> 0:54:13.359 But I didn't know that it was to the point 0:54:13.400 --> 0:54:17.000 that people struggle to have physical relationships in terms of 0:54:17.040 --> 0:54:19.480 not physical but the actual penetrative sex. 0:54:19.520 --> 0:54:21.959 But I think it's interesting because we have so many 0:54:22.000 --> 0:54:25.200 conversations about what it feels like as a person, like 0:54:25.239 --> 0:54:28.080 what it feels like to have something like endemetriosis, But 0:54:28.200 --> 0:54:31.360 then it's like the other ways it impacts you, impacting 0:54:31.360 --> 0:54:34.440 your ability to have relationships because your sex is affected 0:54:34.440 --> 0:54:36.400 by it like that doesn't get a lot of airtime, 0:54:36.920 --> 0:54:39.799 and it's such a part and parcel of this and 0:54:39.840 --> 0:54:41.400 of having a chronic illness. 0:54:41.480 --> 0:54:44.480 It doesn't. And another big thing that I think if 0:54:44.560 --> 0:54:47.200 I look back now in relationships where I would have 0:54:47.239 --> 0:54:49.759 sex quite often because I felt that I had to 0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:52.239 and it was so painful, but I could never really 0:54:52.280 --> 0:54:55.359 explain why I wouldn't do that to myself. Now I've 0:54:55.400 --> 0:54:58.040 come far enough to know that the right person that 0:54:58.080 --> 0:55:00.479 I'm with will hold space for me and I can't 0:55:00.480 --> 0:55:02.879 have sex. And I'm not a man hater by any means, 0:55:02.880 --> 0:55:05.600 a heapman hater at all, but I find because I 0:55:05.600 --> 0:55:08.520 am pan sexual, when I was having sex pre surgery 0:55:08.800 --> 0:55:12.279 with people that weren't sis hepman, they were way more 0:55:12.360 --> 0:55:15.879 understanding of my pain and my body because they got 0:55:15.880 --> 0:55:18.000 it as well, you know, they really got it, and 0:55:18.040 --> 0:55:21.040 they really understood, and then we could do other things 0:55:21.080 --> 0:55:23.920 that were still connecting and sexual, but they didn't have 0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:25.160 to slam dunk me. 0:55:25.560 --> 0:55:28.000 What do you want to say or what would you 0:55:28.040 --> 0:55:30.719 say to somebody now that's just about to go down 0:55:30.760 --> 0:55:32.759 this journey that's just figuring it out, or that's at 0:55:32.760 --> 0:55:35.800 home thinking, fuck, I have some of those symptoms. Maybe 0:55:35.800 --> 0:55:37.520 I need to go get checked out. What's your advice? 0:55:37.560 --> 0:55:38.359 What do you wish you knew? 0:55:38.840 --> 0:55:41.360 I would say? What would I wish I knew? I 0:55:41.400 --> 0:55:44.200 would say, if you don't feel held and supported, definitely 0:55:44.239 --> 0:55:46.160 get a second. And I know it costs a lot 0:55:46.160 --> 0:55:48.520 of money. Get us You're worth it. Get a second. Third, 0:55:48.600 --> 0:55:52.960 fourth opinion because you know your body better than anybody, 0:55:53.080 --> 0:55:56.520 better than the professionals, So you need to find people 0:55:56.560 --> 0:55:59.160 that will hold and support you. Join all the forums, 0:55:59.320 --> 0:56:03.680 but also don't read them like intently, because then you're, 0:56:03.719 --> 0:56:05.600 like I might believe it. Should I try that? Make 0:56:05.640 --> 0:56:07.680 sure you know what's best for your body, because no 0:56:07.760 --> 0:56:10.160 true bodies are the same and you're all going to 0:56:10.200 --> 0:56:13.680 experience things differently. But cultivate a team that will listen 0:56:13.719 --> 0:56:16.719 and support you because it can be quite scary, and 0:56:16.760 --> 0:56:18.960 you can always ask me. I try to anybody that 0:56:19.000 --> 0:56:21.360 asked me stuff about that. I'm not a doctor, obviously, 0:56:21.360 --> 0:56:24.440 but I can point you in two directions that have helped. Angie. 0:56:24.440 --> 0:56:26.319 Thank you so much for coming and sharing this with us. 0:56:26.320 --> 0:56:27.640 I think you're going to help a lot of people. 0:56:28.320 --> 0:56:31.400 Where can people find you? Tell everyone what you do 0:56:31.480 --> 0:56:34.120 and where they can go and track you down everywhere, 0:56:33.800 --> 0:56:37.440 not your physical address, but like you know, Mountain. 0:56:38.080 --> 0:56:39.680 No, I'm not going to say that where I live. 0:56:39.960 --> 0:56:42.600 So no, I was just on the instagrams. It's just 0:56:42.760 --> 0:56:45.399 I think it's just Angie Can with an underscore because 0:56:45.400 --> 0:56:46.240 I'm old school. 0:56:46.480 --> 0:56:50.960 I'm an underscore too. I think underscore. 0:56:50.440 --> 0:56:52.879 Angie Can, so I had to have an underscore. But yeah, 0:56:53.200 --> 0:56:55.680 just anytime, you know, slide into your DMS if you 0:56:55.719 --> 0:56:57.440 got a question. I do try to get back to 0:56:57.440 --> 0:56:59.040 everybody or do a Q and about it because I 0:56:59.080 --> 0:57:01.880 know what's really scary. But I just want people with vaginas, 0:57:01.920 --> 0:57:04.799 who are you know, living in fear or not knowing, 0:57:04.880 --> 0:57:07.480 just to know that you're you're not alone and you're 0:57:07.239 --> 0:57:09.600 you can be held in supported for sure. 0:57:09.880 --> 0:57:12.239 Oh you're definitely not alone. And that's the problem. The 0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:13.680 prevalence is far too high. 0:57:13.920 --> 0:57:15.719 Angie, thank you so much for coming on and being 0:57:15.719 --> 0:57:18.000 a part of the podcast. You are wonderful. 0:57:18.280 --> 0:57:19.200 Thanks gals. 0:57:20.320 --> 0:57:22.520 Well, we do have the experts with us today. We 0:57:22.600 --> 0:57:25.919 have doctor Izzy Smith here. Doctor Izzy, who I will 0:57:25.920 --> 0:57:28.440 refer to you as doctor is he is and is 0:57:28.480 --> 0:57:31.680 an endochronologist. So we've really brought in the big guns. 0:57:31.800 --> 0:57:33.520 Is it Welcome to life uncut. 0:57:33.880 --> 0:57:36.240 Thank you so much, Britt, I'm excited to be here 0:57:36.240 --> 0:57:37.360 as a fan of the podcast. 0:57:37.640 --> 0:57:40.000 Now, before we get started, like we did, just do 0:57:40.080 --> 0:57:42.680 some bonding over your recent breakup, but that is not 0:57:42.720 --> 0:57:46.240 why you're here today. Everyone goes through their heartbreak, but you, Izzy, 0:57:46.680 --> 0:57:48.640 are an endocrinologist. Now, I think there are a lot 0:57:48.680 --> 0:57:50.960 of people out there that would have absolutely no idea, 0:57:51.040 --> 0:57:55.600 including myself, about the specifics what an endocrinologist actually does. 0:57:56.000 --> 0:57:58.120 So can we start by what do you do? 0:57:58.600 --> 0:58:03.560 Lots of paperwork? An endocrinologist is a medical specialist. That is, 0:58:03.640 --> 0:58:07.400 any hormone related problem. So I look after anything type 0:58:07.400 --> 0:58:11.760 one diabetes, type two diabetes, thyroid adrenal ovariants, or anything 0:58:11.840 --> 0:58:15.560 reproductive hormones, testosterone, polycystic ovariance syndrome that we'll be talking 0:58:15.560 --> 0:58:18.880 about today, two or two problems that essentially anything hormone related, 0:58:18.920 --> 0:58:20.520 which is lots of different things. 0:58:20.920 --> 0:58:23.280 Okay, So what would be the main reason, So just 0:58:23.320 --> 0:58:26.760 say someone goes to their GP. I'm assuming for everyone listening, 0:58:26.800 --> 0:58:28.720 you can't just go to an endocrinologist. You have to 0:58:28.720 --> 0:58:31.800 get a specialist referral. What is the main reason people 0:58:31.800 --> 0:58:34.040 would come and see you. What do you get referred 0:58:34.200 --> 0:58:34.840 the most. 0:58:35.400 --> 0:58:37.600 I do a lot of work in bone health, but 0:58:38.080 --> 0:58:40.320 I guess it depends what you kind of sub specialize, 0:58:40.360 --> 0:58:43.000 as in endocrinology, but you correct that you do need 0:58:43.040 --> 0:58:46.320 a referral. And that's for all medical specialties. Like in 0:58:46.320 --> 0:58:48.640 the States, it's different. Anyone can see specialists, but that 0:58:48.800 --> 0:58:51.560 is a barrier they put up from probably people seeing 0:58:51.560 --> 0:58:53.880 too many specialists when they might not need to. But 0:58:54.040 --> 0:58:58.120 I look after so bone health, lots of diabetes, thyroid problems, 0:58:58.480 --> 0:59:00.000 and it kind of depends on the type of person. 0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:03.040 And to a young female who's probably most of your listeners, 0:59:03.040 --> 0:59:06.800 that might be thyroid problems, fertility problems. An older person 0:59:06.840 --> 0:59:09.280 that might more be osteoporosis, things like that. 0:59:09.480 --> 0:59:11.120 The thing that we're here to talk about today, which 0:59:11.160 --> 0:59:13.480 is PCs. I know that there will be people who 0:59:13.560 --> 0:59:15.920 listening to this who have it themselves, who are very 0:59:15.920 --> 0:59:17.720 familiar with the conversation, but there's going to be so 0:59:17.760 --> 0:59:20.360 many of our listeners who actually have heard of it 0:59:20.440 --> 0:59:22.960 but don't have any idea what it actually is. Can 0:59:23.000 --> 0:59:24.520 you tell us what is PCOS? 0:59:25.360 --> 0:59:25.640 First? 0:59:25.640 --> 0:59:27.600 I'm going to do like a thirty second summary of 0:59:27.640 --> 0:59:30.520 the female reproductive right, You're. 0:59:30.360 --> 0:59:32.520 Like, I didn't go to university for twenty five years, 0:59:32.520 --> 0:59:33.440 so I couldn't say this. 0:59:33.760 --> 0:59:36.440 So essentially, so we've got our ovaries and they are 0:59:36.480 --> 0:59:39.880 controlled by our brains. We've got these two endocrine organs 0:59:39.880 --> 0:59:44.200 called the hypothalamus and the petuatory, and they monitor the 0:59:44.240 --> 0:59:46.920 rest of our body, how much stress right under, what 0:59:46.960 --> 0:59:49.520 we've eaten, our energy intake, all these different things. They 0:59:49.560 --> 0:59:53.040 sense everything and they send messages to the ovaries to 0:59:53.120 --> 0:59:56.280 make hormones and also release an egg. And that's how 0:59:56.360 --> 0:59:59.480 we ovulate and we get pregnant. So the messages come 0:59:59.480 --> 1:00:02.240 from the tree to the ovary and that's how hormones 1:00:02.360 --> 1:00:05.080 and a mental cycle occurs that our hormones are up 1:00:05.120 --> 1:00:07.560 and down in a regular month and period and all of. 1:00:07.480 --> 1:00:10.760 That sometimes regular, sometimes absolutely not regular regular, for like 1:00:10.760 --> 1:00:13.120 by the cycle of the moon. I'm like, when's that coming, baby? 1:00:13.760 --> 1:00:14.760 Checking if I'm pregnant again? 1:00:14.800 --> 1:00:16.840 Does it app for that? I was gonna say, there's 1:00:16.840 --> 1:00:17.680 some good tracking apps. 1:00:17.800 --> 1:00:21.600 So PA costs or PCOS polycystic ovarian syndrome. 1:00:21.640 --> 1:00:22.960 Now the name is pretty crap. 1:00:22.760 --> 1:00:25.280 Because you'd think it would just be about the you know, 1:00:25.360 --> 1:00:28.400 polycystic appearance on the ovaries, and they thought that it 1:00:28.400 --> 1:00:31.480 should be changed to you know, ovarian dysfunction androd and 1:00:31.520 --> 1:00:34.440 syndrome or something, because really it's about the ovaries making 1:00:34.440 --> 1:00:38.280 too much male hormones. But in p SOS, the messages 1:00:38.360 --> 1:00:40.920 from the petuitory from the brain that tell the ovaries 1:00:40.920 --> 1:00:43.280 to make hormones, they get a little bit confused, and 1:00:43.280 --> 1:00:46.880 the ratio is out. There's two hormones called LH and FSH, 1:00:47.280 --> 1:00:49.920 and there's too much LH, which means there's lots of 1:00:49.960 --> 1:00:53.040 follicles that are stimulated, and that's why it's called polycystic 1:00:53.080 --> 1:00:55.840 ovarian syndrome. We see an ultrasound and we look all 1:00:55.840 --> 1:00:58.960 there's lots of follicles, so heaps of follicles are stimulated, 1:00:59.280 --> 1:01:02.600 but one is isn't then developed to then be ovulated. 1:01:03.200 --> 1:01:07.280 So people have high hormone production, and they also have 1:01:07.600 --> 1:01:11.280 high esten and high male hormones, which are the androgens, 1:01:11.560 --> 1:01:14.080 and that's what causes the acne and them kind of 1:01:14.120 --> 1:01:17.080 male pattern hair growth. And rather than the hormones going 1:01:17.160 --> 1:01:19.840 up and down in a nice cycle, the hormone levels 1:01:19.880 --> 1:01:21.920 stay pretty much the same all the time and you 1:01:22.000 --> 1:01:22.880 don't ovulate. 1:01:23.320 --> 1:01:25.440 See, people have PCs pretty much and not having a 1:01:25.480 --> 1:01:27.440 period for some people with PCOS. 1:01:27.520 --> 1:01:30.800 And let me just explain how we define PCOS because 1:01:30.800 --> 1:01:31.480 it's a syndrome. 1:01:31.560 --> 1:01:33.240 It's not like this one diagnostic test. 1:01:33.280 --> 1:01:35.680 And I was just chatting with your producer before about 1:01:36.120 --> 1:01:38.760 her background and it's a little bit unclear and there's 1:01:38.800 --> 1:01:40.960 not a clear cut diagnosis. It's not you can do 1:01:41.000 --> 1:01:43.480 one test and this you have peacos. So there's three 1:01:43.520 --> 1:01:45.920 categories and you need to have two. One is the 1:01:45.960 --> 1:01:49.840 polycystic over appearance on ultrasound, but really important to note 1:01:49.920 --> 1:01:52.360 that's only if you're around at least ten years after 1:01:52.520 --> 1:01:55.120 your first period, so if you're eighteen, super common to 1:01:55.200 --> 1:01:58.640 normal to have polycystic overs on ultrasound. That's one criteria. 1:01:59.320 --> 1:02:02.160 The second one one is high androgens, and that can 1:02:02.240 --> 1:02:05.000 either be clinically so you've got signs of high androgen, 1:02:05.080 --> 1:02:08.120 so that's acne, body hair growth. 1:02:07.800 --> 1:02:10.000 And the androgens were the male homee. 1:02:09.680 --> 1:02:10.160 The male woman. 1:02:10.200 --> 1:02:12.360 So you test or sterone essentially and you can either 1:02:12.360 --> 1:02:14.320 have the clinical sides or on a blood test it 1:02:14.320 --> 1:02:17.360 could be elevated androgens. And then the third one is 1:02:17.520 --> 1:02:20.320 irregular periods, so that could be no periods at all. 1:02:20.480 --> 1:02:22.880 Or it could be more than forty five days between 1:02:22.880 --> 1:02:24.600 a cycle or less than eight periods in a year. 1:02:24.880 --> 1:02:27.160 So we say, if you have two of those three, 1:02:27.360 --> 1:02:30.240 you have polycystic goo varian syndrome. It's not a perfect 1:02:30.240 --> 1:02:32.560 diagnostic because someone could have acne and then they could 1:02:32.560 --> 1:02:35.240 have a missed period because they're actually not eating enough 1:02:35.240 --> 1:02:37.880 and really lean, but they would still meet those criteria. 1:02:38.720 --> 1:02:41.360 It's two of those three criteria, and it's because of 1:02:41.400 --> 1:02:45.280 those abnormal messages from the petuitatory to the ovary and 1:02:45.320 --> 1:02:46.960 we don't have that nice mental cycle. 1:02:47.120 --> 1:02:47.920 You're not ovulating. 1:02:47.960 --> 1:02:51.560 It's the most common cause of annovulatory so not ovulating 1:02:51.920 --> 1:02:54.880 infertility and a common cause of needing. You normally don't 1:02:54.880 --> 1:02:56.960 need IVF for pea costs, but you know sometimes you 1:02:57.000 --> 1:02:59.800 might need some other assistance. Yes, you're not ovulating, and 1:02:59.840 --> 1:03:01.960 that the problem is when we're not ovulating them. If 1:03:02.000 --> 1:03:04.240 anyone has lost their period and they're like, oh, this 1:03:04.320 --> 1:03:05.800 is great, I'm not going to see the doctor. I 1:03:05.800 --> 1:03:07.680 don't want to have a period once a month. If 1:03:07.720 --> 1:03:10.200 you have pea costs and you're not ovulating, you're getting 1:03:10.280 --> 1:03:13.680 excess estrogen stimulating the lining of the uterus, which is 1:03:13.680 --> 1:03:17.960 called the endometrium and normally we need progesterone to balance 1:03:18.000 --> 1:03:20.400 that out, and if you don't get that progesterone, you're 1:03:20.440 --> 1:03:23.280 actually increasing the risk of endometrial cancer. 1:03:23.600 --> 1:03:24.680 And tragically, I've. 1:03:24.520 --> 1:03:27.040 Had women, you know, my age, that have had pea 1:03:27.120 --> 1:03:29.840 costs not had to trade it and had endometrial cancer 1:03:30.000 --> 1:03:33.000 and had hysterect me when they're like thirty. So if 1:03:33.000 --> 1:03:34.520 you lose your periods, make sure you get. 1:03:34.400 --> 1:03:37.200 It checked out. Okay. So I am just consuming all 1:03:37.200 --> 1:03:41.160 of that and it's great because you need the background. 1:03:41.240 --> 1:03:44.120 We have spoken a lot about endometriosis before, and one 1:03:44.120 --> 1:03:46.120 of the things like, I don't have endometriosis, and I 1:03:46.120 --> 1:03:49.160 found the conversation really interesting because I know a lot 1:03:49.160 --> 1:03:52.280 of women who do, but I couldn't quite understand why 1:03:52.320 --> 1:03:55.360 it's so painful. But now obviously since we've done that research, 1:03:55.440 --> 1:03:57.520 I kind of get it and I understand it more. 1:03:58.000 --> 1:04:01.560 Is pcos something that people will would suffer with pain with, like, 1:04:01.640 --> 1:04:04.480 is it something that's painful or is it quite different 1:04:04.520 --> 1:04:05.720 to endometrios in that way. 1:04:05.600 --> 1:04:06.720 Completely different. 1:04:07.040 --> 1:04:11.200 So peacocks super common one intent, endometriosis one intent. People 1:04:11.520 --> 1:04:13.840 You're going to have people that have both well, No, 1:04:13.920 --> 1:04:16.360 it's not a painful condition. It's those signs that I 1:04:16.400 --> 1:04:18.840 talked about, which would be the indicators that you've got 1:04:18.880 --> 1:04:21.120 policistic covariance in it. You could have like a ruptured 1:04:21.160 --> 1:04:23.800 ovaria insist that would be really painful, and maybe that 1:04:23.920 --> 1:04:26.200 risk is slightly increased with policistic of variance indrame. 1:04:26.280 --> 1:04:27.920 But no, the condition itself isn't painful. 1:04:28.400 --> 1:04:31.400 With these women that are not having their period, they're 1:04:31.400 --> 1:04:34.000 not getting enough progesteron to balance the endometrium and then 1:04:34.000 --> 1:04:37.920 they end up with endometrial cancer. Just for everybody listening, 1:04:38.040 --> 1:04:41.440 can that also happen for the people that are getting 1:04:41.480 --> 1:04:44.600 their period? Their body is allowing it, but they're skipping 1:04:44.640 --> 1:04:46.200 the period on the pills. So the people that are 1:04:46.200 --> 1:04:48.800 just actually saying I don't want it. Now, could this 1:04:48.960 --> 1:04:51.840 endometrial cancer come from that? Or is does your body 1:04:51.880 --> 1:04:53.480 actually have to be not producing it? 1:04:53.880 --> 1:04:56.760 Yes, So I'll just quickly explain again with a bit 1:04:56.800 --> 1:05:00.280 of a hormone metrial cycle school, So we only least 1:05:00.280 --> 1:05:03.680 progesterone after we ovulate. The progesterone comes from the little 1:05:03.720 --> 1:05:05.640 part of the ovary called the corpus routine where the 1:05:05.680 --> 1:05:08.600 egg comes from. So if you're not ovulating, you can't 1:05:08.640 --> 1:05:10.880 make progesterone. And what gets tricky is some people can 1:05:10.880 --> 1:05:14.640 actually have a period even though they haven't ovulated, often 1:05:14.680 --> 1:05:17.120 quite heavy because the progesterone only thins that lining a 1:05:17.120 --> 1:05:17.480 little bit. 1:05:18.040 --> 1:05:19.320 So the pill is completely different. 1:05:19.920 --> 1:05:24.280 So the pill is synthetic estrogen and progesterone in a 1:05:24.280 --> 1:05:26.280 combined tablet. That's why it's called the combined or a 1:05:26.320 --> 1:05:30.120 contraceptive pill, and that turns off the messages from the 1:05:30.200 --> 1:05:34.880 brain to the ovary because you're getting enough hormones and 1:05:34.920 --> 1:05:38.200 you're getting the progesterone that's thinning the lining of the endometrium. 1:05:38.240 --> 1:05:41.439 So no, the pill definitely does not cause that same risk, 1:05:41.680 --> 1:05:43.720 and the pill actually decreases the risk of a varian 1:05:43.760 --> 1:05:46.040 cancer by forty percent. We often hear a lot of 1:05:46.120 --> 1:05:50.120 fear and worry about the pill, and the pill will 1:05:50.120 --> 1:05:53.520 often be prescribed in polycystic ovarian syndrome. And it's a 1:05:53.520 --> 1:05:55.800 shame because some people go to their GP and that 1:05:55.880 --> 1:05:56.640 we diagnose with. 1:05:56.600 --> 1:05:58.920 Peacos and they're like, here you go, loose. 1:05:58.720 --> 1:06:01.400 Some weight, here's the pill, and that is the appointment 1:06:01.480 --> 1:06:04.120 over and that sucks because someone doesn't have things explained. 1:06:04.680 --> 1:06:08.360 Pill is really good in polsisco varian syndrome because it's 1:06:08.400 --> 1:06:11.360 turning off those messages from the petuitary to the ovaries. 1:06:11.920 --> 1:06:14.360 The over is aren't making those elevated androgens, so it's 1:06:14.400 --> 1:06:16.760 really good for you know, the acne and the hair growth. 1:06:17.000 --> 1:06:19.680 It also increases a protein that binds some of those 1:06:19.680 --> 1:06:22.000 extra hormones. And the other thing with the pill is 1:06:22.000 --> 1:06:24.000 that you know, it protects the endometrium, so we actually 1:06:24.160 --> 1:06:27.560 use the pill in peacross to prevent that endometrial hyperplasia, 1:06:27.560 --> 1:06:29.280 which is that pre endometrial cancer. 1:06:29.680 --> 1:06:31.640 So it's like if you I guess like for a 1:06:31.640 --> 1:06:33.120 lot of people, and I think that this is one 1:06:33.120 --> 1:06:35.600 of the myths with the pill itself is that people 1:06:35.640 --> 1:06:37.360 go on it and I know for myself they were 1:06:37.400 --> 1:06:40.040 not known. I was like fifteen years old for so long, 1:06:40.120 --> 1:06:42.080 and then when I came off it, I was like, oh, 1:06:42.360 --> 1:06:44.360 I have all these issues, And a lot of people 1:06:44.600 --> 1:06:46.920 have the perception that the issues have been created by 1:06:46.920 --> 1:06:50.880 the pill, whereas the pill may have actually been masking 1:06:50.960 --> 1:06:52.120 those issues. 1:06:52.120 --> 1:06:55.720 One hundred percent and often incorrectly, the pill is labeled 1:06:55.760 --> 1:06:58.840 as associated with infertility, and it's just what you said, 1:06:58.880 --> 1:07:01.640 someone goes on when they're fe and then they go off. 1:07:01.640 --> 1:07:03.080 But when they're thirty and they're like, I want to 1:07:03.080 --> 1:07:06.520 have a baby, and they haven't had those mentrual cycles 1:07:06.560 --> 1:07:09.080 to know if they were regular, you know, did they 1:07:09.120 --> 1:07:11.360 have normal space, all those things, So they haven't had 1:07:11.360 --> 1:07:13.480 that normal sign telling them that they've got a you know, 1:07:13.600 --> 1:07:17.120 normal menstrual cycle and no big warning signs about fertility. 1:07:17.160 --> 1:07:19.480 So it does mask well, it treats the symptoms of 1:07:19.480 --> 1:07:22.880 the peacos or it does mask it. It also sometimes 1:07:22.880 --> 1:07:25.200 can you know, people have severe demetriosis, some might suppress 1:07:25.200 --> 1:07:27.160 their symptoms, which is also why we use it as 1:07:27.160 --> 1:07:29.560 a treatment. But I say to people, if you know 1:07:29.600 --> 1:07:31.240 you definitely want to have a baby, you know at 1:07:31.240 --> 1:07:33.560 one point and you've been on the pill when you're fifteen, 1:07:33.920 --> 1:07:35.600 it's not a bad idea to go off it and 1:07:35.680 --> 1:07:38.160 just make sure everything's looking, you know, normal, because we 1:07:38.240 --> 1:07:40.400 can't test your hormones when you're on the pill, so 1:07:40.680 --> 1:07:42.680 I can't test you for peacross, I can't test you 1:07:42.720 --> 1:07:45.520 for other fertility problems when someone's on the pill. 1:07:45.800 --> 1:07:48.800 So instead of just waiting until you're already like Okay, 1:07:48.880 --> 1:07:50.360 now I want to have a baby, let's go for 1:07:50.400 --> 1:07:53.440 it at least having that forward planning, so you know 1:07:53.520 --> 1:07:55.400 that maybe if you're in your twenties and you know 1:07:55.400 --> 1:07:56.800 you want to have kids one day, even if it's 1:07:56.840 --> 1:07:59.840 not now, taking that agency to take a break to 1:08:00.080 --> 1:08:02.560 figure out what your reproductive organs and everything else is 1:08:02.600 --> 1:08:04.040 going on. So that way, when it comes to the 1:08:04.120 --> 1:08:05.720 day that you want to have a kid, you know 1:08:05.760 --> 1:08:07.640 that everything's in a working order and you've dealt with 1:08:07.680 --> 1:08:10.240 those issues earlier rather than leaving it to last minute. 1:08:10.360 --> 1:08:12.600 Yeah, and pecos is so common, So yeah, it's not 1:08:12.600 --> 1:08:15.040 about idea. Obviously, I'm not going to stay to people, Hey, 1:08:15.080 --> 1:08:15.920 go off your pill as you. 1:08:15.880 --> 1:08:16.719 Want to use a condom. 1:08:16.840 --> 1:08:20.439 Yeah, always condos, be really careful. But yeah, exactly. 1:08:20.560 --> 1:08:22.960 And also because the pill and even as well, even 1:08:23.000 --> 1:08:25.280 people that don't have PEA cross they go off the 1:08:25.280 --> 1:08:26.800 pill and they get a bit hairer and they're like, 1:08:26.840 --> 1:08:29.240 oh my goodness, like to the PILM in general, guys. 1:08:29.800 --> 1:08:32.280 But it's because you know, normally it's the male hormones. 1:08:32.720 --> 1:08:35.360 Even without peacos, we all have a little bit of testosterone. 1:08:35.960 --> 1:08:38.160 People often notice their libido is better when they're off 1:08:38.200 --> 1:08:40.360 the pill, and that's because we've got more testosterone. 1:08:40.479 --> 1:08:42.120 It will mean you might have a bit more body 1:08:42.120 --> 1:08:43.080 hair when you go off the pill. 1:08:43.320 --> 1:08:45.280 I do you love what you said there? Correct me 1:08:45.360 --> 1:08:47.519 if I'm wrong. For the statistics that you said, the 1:08:47.560 --> 1:08:51.559 pill can actually help reduce the chance of varying cancer 1:08:51.560 --> 1:08:52.320 by forty percent. 1:08:52.800 --> 1:08:56.439 Yeah, so the more times we ovulate, the bigger our 1:08:56.720 --> 1:08:58.760 risk of ovarian cancer is. And I actually stayed on 1:08:58.760 --> 1:09:01.280 the pill for like seven years just because I wanted this. 1:09:01.720 --> 1:09:03.720 If we're on the pill for five consecutive years, it 1:09:03.840 --> 1:09:07.080 decreases our lifetime risk of a varying cancer by about 1:09:07.120 --> 1:09:07.719 forty percent. 1:09:08.080 --> 1:09:09.280 That is huge. 1:09:09.320 --> 1:09:10.800 I don't think a lot of people know that. 1:09:10.880 --> 1:09:13.639 We always hear about, oh, it causes breast cancer, which 1:09:13.640 --> 1:09:15.840 I'll just how about I just briefly summarize, so the 1:09:15.840 --> 1:09:17.840 breast cancer risk. It does increase your risk of breast 1:09:17.840 --> 1:09:20.920 cancer by about twenty percent. That's only whilst you're on 1:09:21.000 --> 1:09:22.920 the pill. And we need to think about what the 1:09:23.000 --> 1:09:25.559 risk of a twenty five year old is of breast cancer. 1:09:26.120 --> 1:09:28.120 It's like super super low. So let's say her risk 1:09:28.200 --> 1:09:32.120 is like one in ten thousand. That's like point zero 1:09:32.200 --> 1:09:34.800 zero one. We're making it point zero zero one two. 1:09:35.400 --> 1:09:38.519 So our risk of something is really low, you know, 1:09:38.640 --> 1:09:42.280 increasing that risk only is slightly increasing our absolute risk, 1:09:42.320 --> 1:09:44.519 and that's called relative versus absolute risk. And for people 1:09:44.640 --> 1:09:46.920 you know, without background and statistics, which is you know, 1:09:47.040 --> 1:09:49.960 most people, it's ancs really scary, like twenty percent increased 1:09:50.000 --> 1:09:51.960 risk of breast cancer, but if your risk is only 1:09:51.960 --> 1:09:54.160 point zero zero one, making point zero zero one two 1:09:54.680 --> 1:09:58.200 is not that much. Whereas ovarian cancer, that's a lifelong 1:09:58.280 --> 1:10:00.840 risk reduction. So the risk with the pill is on 1:10:00.960 --> 1:10:03.559 breast cancer is only when you're on it. That ovarian 1:10:03.600 --> 1:10:05.880 cancer is lifelong. And for me, you can't screen for 1:10:05.880 --> 1:10:08.720 a varying cancer and that really scares me. So the 1:10:08.720 --> 1:10:11.439 pill does also slightly decrease risk of bowel cancer as well, 1:10:11.479 --> 1:10:13.840 So it's probably you've got a really bad reputation and 1:10:13.880 --> 1:10:15.920 there are some you know side effects that increases risk 1:10:15.960 --> 1:10:18.320 of depression by about one percent. Some people just feel 1:10:18.360 --> 1:10:21.200 absolutely terrible on the pill, but there are some really 1:10:21.200 --> 1:10:23.240 good parts about it. And then your medications aren't good 1:10:23.320 --> 1:10:25.720 or bad. I say, it's all about the situation in 1:10:25.760 --> 1:10:28.479 a fit exceeding risk. Yeah, And like cancer medications make 1:10:28.520 --> 1:10:30.800 people feel absolutely rotten, but they can kill cancers. You 1:10:30.840 --> 1:10:32.519 wouldn't say that's bad. So I think it's all about, 1:10:32.520 --> 1:10:33.880 you know, the situation in the person. 1:10:34.320 --> 1:10:35.880 Well, I could talk to you NonStop about that, but 1:10:35.960 --> 1:10:38.519 let's get back on too, because I mean, this whole thing, 1:10:38.560 --> 1:10:41.559 the whole reproductive system, how hormones, everything is so fascinating 1:10:41.560 --> 1:10:43.640 because every woman goes through it. But is there a 1:10:43.680 --> 1:10:48.559 difference between pcos and polycystic ovaries because I thought that 1:10:48.760 --> 1:10:51.600 polycystic ovaries meant PCOS. 1:10:52.120 --> 1:10:55.479 Such a good question, and this is one really important 1:10:55.520 --> 1:10:57.480 because I think a lot of people have been incorrectly 1:10:57.520 --> 1:11:01.960 diagnosed with PCOS. So PCO policistic go over is is 1:11:02.040 --> 1:11:04.280 literally just the appearance we see on ultrasound. And you're 1:11:04.280 --> 1:11:07.640 a radiographer, weren't you, Yes, So that is the appearance 1:11:07.680 --> 1:11:10.240 on ultrasound and super normal in young women who are 1:11:10.240 --> 1:11:12.400 only like a few years, five to ten years after 1:11:12.439 --> 1:11:16.160 their first period. It's not diagnostic or politistic ovarian syndrome. 1:11:16.200 --> 1:11:18.360 You need to have those two of those three criteria 1:11:18.400 --> 1:11:20.920 we talked about, so you know, the signs, the acne 1:11:21.000 --> 1:11:24.920 or the irregular period. So those varying features themselves aren't diagnostic. 1:11:24.720 --> 1:11:28.040 If somebody leaves it. Apart from just this increase in 1:11:28.120 --> 1:11:32.040 endometrial cancer. What are the other symptoms that someone would have, 1:11:32.080 --> 1:11:35.320 Like if someone left PCOS untreated for say five to 1:11:35.360 --> 1:11:37.519 ten whatever years, and they weren't on the pill, what 1:11:37.560 --> 1:11:38.960 would be the things that they would need to look 1:11:39.000 --> 1:11:39.360 out for. 1:11:39.840 --> 1:11:43.679 This is a really good question because PCs, the management 1:11:43.720 --> 1:11:45.600 and the things we think about really depend on the 1:11:45.680 --> 1:11:47.880 patient and their kind of age group. So you know, 1:11:48.000 --> 1:11:51.040 young women not wanting to feel pregnant. It's probably more 1:11:51.160 --> 1:11:54.040 the skin, the body, hair, those type of things. And 1:11:54.080 --> 1:11:56.360 we haven't really talked about the underlying cause of PCOS, 1:11:56.360 --> 1:11:58.960 which is generally really high levels of insulin. And it's 1:11:59.000 --> 1:12:01.680 the insulin that call is the mauckup and the communication 1:12:01.760 --> 1:12:04.000 from the brain to the ovaries. High levels of insul 1:12:04.000 --> 1:12:07.960 makes it hard to lose weight, hungry, fatigue, then the skin, 1:12:08.000 --> 1:12:10.240 the head, those type of things. For women in maybe 1:12:10.280 --> 1:12:12.280 more around their thirties, it's often fertility. 1:12:12.439 --> 1:12:13.960 I feel like the only time I've ever heard of 1:12:14.040 --> 1:12:17.040 insulin spoken about is in terms of diabetes. How does 1:12:17.080 --> 1:12:18.560 it affect PCs? 1:12:18.800 --> 1:12:23.040 So insulin resistance is like pre diabetes. So if we 1:12:23.080 --> 1:12:26.240 need glucose, which is our primary source of you know, fuel, 1:12:26.280 --> 1:12:29.080 our brains need it. I love carbohydrates. They're so important 1:12:29.080 --> 1:12:29.799 for us to function. 1:12:29.960 --> 1:12:30.800 I love cubs too. 1:12:30.880 --> 1:12:32.320 Yeah, I'm definitely. 1:12:31.960 --> 1:12:32.920 You're amongst good company. 1:12:33.000 --> 1:12:33.200 Fresh. 1:12:34.560 --> 1:12:37.599 Yeah, we need insulin to get glucose inside our cells. 1:12:38.240 --> 1:12:41.960 If a combination of genetics or environmental causes, the insulin 1:12:41.960 --> 1:12:45.320 can't get inside our cells unless we've got lots more insulin. 1:12:45.600 --> 1:12:48.240 So it means our cells are less sensitive to insulin, 1:12:48.320 --> 1:12:51.040 so each of them level start to increase. We call 1:12:51.080 --> 1:12:53.679 that insulin resistance. When the blood sugar levels are still normal, 1:12:54.240 --> 1:12:57.639 and once it goes over and you just keep making 1:12:57.640 --> 1:12:59.559 the insulin, but the glucose won't go inside our cells. 1:12:59.600 --> 1:13:02.000 That's when we see type two diabetes. And it's the 1:13:02.360 --> 1:13:04.800 type two diabetes which is kind of related to the 1:13:04.800 --> 1:13:06.200 peacos and the insulin resistance. 1:13:06.439 --> 1:13:08.360 I just wanted to circle back for a second in 1:13:08.439 --> 1:13:11.720 terms of something that you mentioned earlier in regards to endometriosis, 1:13:11.760 --> 1:13:13.720 and you said that it's common to have both, or 1:13:13.760 --> 1:13:16.479 someone could have both at the same time. Are they 1:13:16.520 --> 1:13:18.519 at all linked? Is there a case where people have 1:13:18.960 --> 1:13:22.000 if you have PCOS, you're more inclined to have endometriosis 1:13:22.120 --> 1:13:25.679 or vice versa, or are they just completely separate issues 1:13:25.880 --> 1:13:28.240 and Unfortunately, some women suffer from both. 1:13:28.439 --> 1:13:33.640 Completely separate issues. So we know endometrosis also familiar related. 1:13:34.000 --> 1:13:36.000 There's still a lot of research about what is the 1:13:36.080 --> 1:13:40.120 underlying cause driving it, but policistic or variantindery completely separate. 1:13:40.200 --> 1:13:42.599 But people will potentially have both just because of how 1:13:42.600 --> 1:13:43.120 common they are. 1:13:43.320 --> 1:13:45.160 And I think it's interesting because me coming from a 1:13:45.160 --> 1:13:47.479 background where I don't have either and I don't know 1:13:47.560 --> 1:13:49.920 much about them, I had always thought I kind of 1:13:49.920 --> 1:13:52.559 always just chucked them in the same basket. I was like, oh, yeah, 1:13:53.040 --> 1:13:55.320 I know about endemetriosis, and I guess some people who 1:13:55.320 --> 1:13:57.720 had that also have PCOS because I do think that 1:13:57.800 --> 1:14:00.679 sometimes the conversations are had handed hair, but I didn't 1:14:00.720 --> 1:14:02.680 realize that they were very independent of each other. 1:14:03.200 --> 1:14:06.519 I think it's interesting because women's health has generally been 1:14:06.840 --> 1:14:10.040 terribly researched, maybe apart from breast cancer and their two 1:14:10.080 --> 1:14:14.160 conditions that have not been properly understood or well respected 1:14:14.160 --> 1:14:15.679 by their medical system. 1:14:16.160 --> 1:14:17.120 Why do you think that is. 1:14:18.439 --> 1:14:22.040 We could go into like a history of medicine lecture, 1:14:22.960 --> 1:14:25.680 but I think women's pain is not taken seriously. We've 1:14:25.680 --> 1:14:28.040 had studies that show women who present with chest pain 1:14:28.479 --> 1:14:30.400 are less likely to be investigated for a heart attack. 1:14:30.520 --> 1:14:33.439 Women that have abdominal pain are less likely to receive 1:14:33.479 --> 1:14:37.000 appropriate analgesia. I think that's because we think women are hysterical. 1:14:37.360 --> 1:14:40.760 Like the word hysterectomy, which is, you know, taking out 1:14:40.760 --> 1:14:43.320 the uterus, was because they thought the uterus was what 1:14:43.400 --> 1:14:44.680 made women hysterical. 1:14:45.640 --> 1:14:48.719 Yes, all sorts of levels off saying. 1:14:48.680 --> 1:14:52.160 Women probably with like quite complex mental health disorders had 1:14:52.160 --> 1:14:54.760 their uterus taken out because it must have been what 1:14:54.920 --> 1:14:57.960 was made them female, which was making them hysterical. So 1:14:58.040 --> 1:15:00.280 I think that's just a really good example of the 1:15:00.360 --> 1:15:06.440 underlying sexism and lack of respect for women's complaints in medical. 1:15:06.280 --> 1:15:08.320 Surely we could change the term hys directed me now 1:15:08.360 --> 1:15:09.920 in this day and age, now that we know where 1:15:09.920 --> 1:15:10.599 it stems from. 1:15:10.600 --> 1:15:12.920 Don't you think that also then reflects and say like 1:15:12.960 --> 1:15:15.559 the rebates and Medicare and the way that people can 1:15:15.560 --> 1:15:18.840 get subsidies for these sorts of issues, like for somebody 1:15:18.840 --> 1:15:21.120 who has PCs and has to go through treatment or 1:15:21.160 --> 1:15:23.400 have and we'll get into what treatment is in a second, 1:15:23.439 --> 1:15:26.599 but what are the benefits that someone has allowed access 1:15:26.640 --> 1:15:29.120 to or what help is there for people who have PCs. 1:15:29.720 --> 1:15:32.200 That's a great question, because so many people that I 1:15:32.240 --> 1:15:34.960 speak to say they get the diagnosis, they're told to 1:15:35.000 --> 1:15:36.880 kind of lose weight and do some exercise and here's 1:15:36.880 --> 1:15:39.479 the pill and come back and see me when you 1:15:39.520 --> 1:15:42.439 want to feel pregnant. I'm not a GP, so I 1:15:42.479 --> 1:15:46.519 don't generally see people with he COSS unless maybe they're 1:15:46.520 --> 1:15:49.160 trying to feel pregnant or there's other things associated with it. 1:15:49.200 --> 1:15:51.360 And I would just work in public. Probably in the 1:15:51.360 --> 1:15:54.080 private system there is more people just in the endochronologists 1:15:54.240 --> 1:15:58.200 for peacos. But what kind of services are available you 1:15:58.280 --> 1:16:00.439 could speak to your GP. I don't think it would 1:16:00.439 --> 1:16:03.280 meet criteria for a chronic disease management plan, which would 1:16:03.520 --> 1:16:07.280 mean you know, publicly funded referrals for an exercise physiological dietitian. 1:16:08.000 --> 1:16:08.599 It's not good. 1:16:08.840 --> 1:16:11.240 I think indometriosis has got a lot more attention, mainly 1:16:11.360 --> 1:16:14.400 due to like you know, some celebrities doing really good 1:16:14.400 --> 1:16:17.360 work and advocacy, but PECOS has a long way to go. 1:16:17.479 --> 1:16:20.639 And I think, you know, and as well, it's associo 1:16:20.720 --> 1:16:23.160 with weight gain. There's so much weight stigma that would 1:16:23.200 --> 1:16:25.960 be a podcast for a whole other episode talking about 1:16:25.960 --> 1:16:29.320 the obscene you know, weight stigma and bias in the 1:16:29.360 --> 1:16:32.599 healthcare system as well, whether that's also something related to 1:16:32.640 --> 1:16:34.760 it as well. But I often do think if there 1:16:34.800 --> 1:16:37.000 was a condition that affected one in ten men was 1:16:37.000 --> 1:16:40.439 associated with infertility, as if there would not be more. 1:16:40.800 --> 1:16:42.519 Fun they would be getting paid to go and get 1:16:42.520 --> 1:16:44.599 their treatment. It would be you are we're talking about, 1:16:44.640 --> 1:16:46.120 wouldn't it that get whatever they want? 1:16:46.160 --> 1:16:47.519 I mean, I still come back to the fact that 1:16:47.640 --> 1:16:50.280 Viagara didn't have GST on it, but tampons did. 1:16:50.360 --> 1:16:53.880 So anyway, I was like, Hiagara has caused so many 1:16:53.880 --> 1:16:56.160 people to die and it's still like a medication, but 1:16:56.200 --> 1:16:57.440 like Fagra kills. 1:16:57.120 --> 1:16:59.160 Like hundreds or maybe thousands of men per year. 1:16:59.720 --> 1:17:02.680 Really adding a new definition to making them stiff, isn't it? 1:17:03.560 --> 1:17:07.400 That is yeah, literally in the not funny. We shouldn't 1:17:07.400 --> 1:17:09.360 be joking, Oh we should have But what is the 1:17:09.479 --> 1:17:13.240 okay is it? What is the correlation between pcos and 1:17:13.280 --> 1:17:15.800 a level of infertility? Like I want people out there 1:17:15.840 --> 1:17:18.080 to not be firstly if they have it, to think, 1:17:18.080 --> 1:17:20.160 oh my god, I'm never having a child, but also 1:17:20.640 --> 1:17:23.200 if there is quite a high level that it is correlated, 1:17:23.200 --> 1:17:24.680 that they need to say, Okay, maybe I do need 1:17:24.720 --> 1:17:26.360 to go and speak to someone and just put some 1:17:26.400 --> 1:17:27.080 things in place. 1:17:27.640 --> 1:17:30.040 So it kind of depends on if you're quite lean 1:17:30.120 --> 1:17:33.200 with peacos or maybe your be mice bit elevated and 1:17:33.240 --> 1:17:35.160 you could lose around five to ten percent you know, 1:17:35.200 --> 1:17:38.800 body weight. But the main thing is improving that intro insensitivity. 1:17:39.360 --> 1:17:42.360 So that is, you know, dietary changes, low GI types 1:17:42.360 --> 1:17:45.920 of food. I'm not a dietitian, but we talk about decreasing. 1:17:46.160 --> 1:17:47.880 I don't want, you know, a low carb because going 1:17:47.920 --> 1:17:51.360 really low carb keto that actually worsens insuing resistance. But 1:17:51.640 --> 1:17:53.880 moderating how much carbo hydrates you're having and having really 1:17:53.920 --> 1:17:58.960 good carbohydrates, lots of veggies, lean proteins, healthy diet, exercise. 1:17:59.560 --> 1:18:01.240 You know, there's all these different studies about what's the 1:18:01.280 --> 1:18:04.080 best type of exercise. Is it more high intensity? Is 1:18:04.120 --> 1:18:07.560 it longer duration cardio? I always say whichever exercise you 1:18:07.800 --> 1:18:09.599 like is probably the best one because that's the one 1:18:09.640 --> 1:18:12.800 you're going to actually do. Probably best evidence for kind 1:18:12.800 --> 1:18:16.120 of longer duration type cardio rather than the high hit stuff. 1:18:16.560 --> 1:18:19.599 Then so after lifestyle is you know, medications and they're 1:18:19.640 --> 1:18:22.679 looking at trying to improve that insulin sensitivity. Met Foreman 1:18:23.040 --> 1:18:25.800 is usually first line. That's a medication we use in 1:18:25.840 --> 1:18:27.240 type two diabetes, so. 1:18:27.200 --> 1:18:30.240 Met Foreman is a tablet that people take basically, and 1:18:30.320 --> 1:18:31.559 is it a daily treatment or. 1:18:31.520 --> 1:18:33.479 Just a once a day tablet. Then there's also some 1:18:33.520 --> 1:18:36.400 supplements that people can use. Spearmint tea actually acts as 1:18:36.400 --> 1:18:39.240 an anti androgen, and I always love giving people some 1:18:39.360 --> 1:18:41.639 kind of more natural type treatments that they can do 1:18:42.000 --> 1:18:45.840 help people feel more empowered with the treatment options, So 1:18:45.840 --> 1:18:48.080 spearmint tea, and then there's some supplements. 1:18:48.080 --> 1:18:49.479 I can never say it properly, guys. 1:18:49.520 --> 1:18:51.040 I had dyslexia as a child, by the way, and 1:18:51.080 --> 1:18:53.439 have done so much use of speech together it in 1:18:53.479 --> 1:18:56.479 a style Inocytol, which is a supplement as well that 1:18:56.680 --> 1:18:57.320 we were looking at. 1:18:57.280 --> 1:18:58.720 This as well, and we were like, we don't know 1:18:58.760 --> 1:18:59.839 how to say that incetol. 1:19:00.240 --> 1:19:03.240 We will We're like, easy, will know, yeah, I'll be honest. 1:19:03.400 --> 1:19:04.440 He's like, I'm dyslexic. 1:19:04.479 --> 1:19:06.360 I don't know, no, not dyslexic. 1:19:06.400 --> 1:19:08.880 I had an speech therapy problem, so yeah, a little 1:19:08.880 --> 1:19:10.759 bit of deslexiah. I've done a lot of speech pathology 1:19:10.760 --> 1:19:12.800 over the year. So if you have, you know, an 1:19:12.880 --> 1:19:15.320 auditory processing problem, you can definitely become a doctor. 1:19:15.320 --> 1:19:15.720 Don't worry. 1:19:15.800 --> 1:19:18.839 You can be like genius, don't worry. 1:19:19.240 --> 1:19:21.240 You just won't be able to prescribe in a site 1:19:21.360 --> 1:19:23.400 since oh god, you're. 1:19:23.240 --> 1:19:24.280 Just having to write it down. 1:19:24.360 --> 1:19:24.559 Yeah. 1:19:24.760 --> 1:19:27.200 No, I'm a very visual person. 1:19:27.479 --> 1:19:30.880 So yeah, so supplements then if people so we give 1:19:30.920 --> 1:19:33.400 met foreman, especially if someone's trying to fall pregnant, because 1:19:33.400 --> 1:19:34.840 we're not going to put them on the pail because 1:19:34.840 --> 1:19:36.599 we want to get back that you know, that cycle. 1:19:36.600 --> 1:19:39.120 And it's like what we talked about younger people, it's 1:19:39.120 --> 1:19:42.879 more the symptoms maybe around our age group, more fertility, 1:19:42.920 --> 1:19:45.120 and then after that it's looking at their risk factors 1:19:45.160 --> 1:19:47.680 associated with pecos, which is the metabolic stuff, you know, 1:19:47.800 --> 1:19:49.920 kind of a vascilar risk diabetes preventing them. 1:19:50.439 --> 1:19:52.360 So also a little bit of weight loss can be. 1:19:52.240 --> 1:19:55.479 Beneficial for people with you know, maybe a higher BMI 1:19:55.640 --> 1:19:57.960 kind of five to ten percent weight loss, so maybe 1:19:57.960 --> 1:20:00.559 you know, three four kilos that can actually improve your 1:20:00.560 --> 1:20:04.720 intertlin sensitivity. Then for actual treatments for fertility, we use 1:20:04.840 --> 1:20:08.440 this one called clomid and electrosol, and they're actually decreasing 1:20:08.439 --> 1:20:11.519 how much estrogen is there, and that's trying to lower 1:20:11.560 --> 1:20:14.760 the estrogen levels enough to stimulate the right messages from 1:20:14.800 --> 1:20:18.479 the produratory for ovulation to occur, and usually I find 1:20:18.600 --> 1:20:21.439 that's really effective, and people with peacos don't need you know, 1:20:21.640 --> 1:20:25.160 very rarely should need IVF because the eggs actually are good. 1:20:25.200 --> 1:20:27.400 You've got lots of eggs. It's just about getting one 1:20:27.439 --> 1:20:27.920 to come out. 1:20:28.040 --> 1:20:29.680 I think there is a lot of fear for when 1:20:29.680 --> 1:20:32.440 people are diagnosed with PCOS or told that they have PCOS, 1:20:32.439 --> 1:20:35.000 that they think instantly, I'm not going to be able 1:20:35.080 --> 1:20:38.320 to have kids or I'm going to be infertile. What 1:20:38.320 --> 1:20:40.920 would you say to someone who is your patient who 1:20:40.920 --> 1:20:43.559 comes in and that's their fear. What's the response to that. 1:20:44.040 --> 1:20:45.760 The first thing is like pea COS is not a 1:20:45.800 --> 1:20:50.160 lifelong diagnosis. I have patients that go into peacos and 1:20:50.200 --> 1:20:53.759 then they get really good with their regular exercise, dietary changes. 1:20:54.479 --> 1:20:57.280 You know, maybe COVID happens, the gym shirts, we're spending 1:20:57.320 --> 1:21:00.240 more time watching TV, I'm getting takeaway, and then go 1:21:00.280 --> 1:21:00.920 back into peacos. 1:21:00.960 --> 1:21:02.559 So it's not like you've got this for life. 1:21:02.600 --> 1:21:04.519 It's a condition that can people can go back and 1:21:04.520 --> 1:21:06.840 forth between and you can reverse a little bit like 1:21:06.880 --> 1:21:07.920 type two diabetes. 1:21:08.080 --> 1:21:11.120 Is there ever anyone though that could do all the 1:21:11.200 --> 1:21:14.840 right exercise have the most impair code diet and that's 1:21:14.880 --> 1:21:16.840 not going to change anything. The PCOS is there to say. 1:21:16.920 --> 1:21:19.600 And I think this is so important because especially with 1:21:19.640 --> 1:21:22.840 our focus on kind of lifestyle and natural health, which 1:21:22.840 --> 1:21:25.439 I think is really good, there's a lot of great 1:21:25.479 --> 1:21:28.760 parts about how much healthier our generation is coming. But 1:21:28.880 --> 1:21:32.160 it can become a little bit unhealthy when we fall 1:21:32.160 --> 1:21:34.320 into the trap of we are completely in control of 1:21:34.320 --> 1:21:37.240 our own health because we're not. Like so much is 1:21:37.280 --> 1:21:39.400 due to genetics and bad luck. And some people can 1:21:39.479 --> 1:21:42.400 do absolutely everything right and they should never feel shame 1:21:42.840 --> 1:21:45.719 or that they have failed because let's say they can't 1:21:45.720 --> 1:21:47.080 get their periods back naturally. 1:21:48.080 --> 1:21:49.879 And it breaks my heart. 1:21:49.640 --> 1:21:51.400 Because I do get you know, lots of messages on 1:21:51.439 --> 1:21:54.479 Instagram or patients that feel like they've done something wrong 1:21:54.520 --> 1:21:57.720 and like they're personally at fault. So, as I said, 1:21:57.760 --> 1:22:00.800 this can be really genetic. I've have Paie with pea costs. 1:22:00.800 --> 1:22:03.080 They have like a beerm I have like eighteen or 1:22:03.120 --> 1:22:06.160 even underweight, and that's probably they've got a slight genetic 1:22:06.200 --> 1:22:09.160 mutation with the insulin receptors and you know sensitivity. So 1:22:09.200 --> 1:22:12.360 people can do everything right and it might not be enough, 1:22:12.800 --> 1:22:15.400 so there are treatment options, especially in fertility is what 1:22:15.439 --> 1:22:17.519 people are you know after, and that's why you know, 1:22:17.600 --> 1:22:19.760 we do lifestyle first and then it's you know, medications, 1:22:19.760 --> 1:22:21.160 so it's not one or the other, it's putting them 1:22:21.200 --> 1:22:21.719 both together. 1:22:22.160 --> 1:22:25.160 If somebody does think that they could have PCOS, what 1:22:25.400 --> 1:22:27.719 is your advice to them? What's the first step? 1:22:27.760 --> 1:22:30.960 Go to the GP YEP, so it's really basic. Blood 1:22:30.960 --> 1:22:34.160 tests so important to have some other conditions ruled out. 1:22:34.280 --> 1:22:37.479 So there's one called congenital adrenal hyperplasia, probably only going 1:22:37.520 --> 1:22:39.479 to be excluded by an endocronologist. It's pretty rare, but 1:22:39.479 --> 1:22:43.599 we always exclude that. Low thyroid function super common, checking 1:22:43.640 --> 1:22:46.160 elevated levels of prolactint. So essentially you go, you get 1:22:46.160 --> 1:22:48.679 some blood tests, you exclude other things that could be 1:22:49.240 --> 1:22:52.960 pea costs, you get your male hormones checked. Then also 1:22:53.040 --> 1:22:55.280 looking at getting into pervic cultures sound you know, the 1:22:55.320 --> 1:22:58.559 best views are through like an inter vaginal so there 1:22:58.600 --> 1:23:01.599 is a prob and done within a second. We look 1:23:01.600 --> 1:23:03.200 at the ovaries, We have a look at the lining 1:23:03.200 --> 1:23:06.200 of the endometrium and that's really beneficial, especially if it's 1:23:06.200 --> 1:23:08.760 a bit unsure. What the diagnosis is if someone's got 1:23:08.760 --> 1:23:11.559 you know, the thicker lining of the endometrios very thin, 1:23:11.640 --> 1:23:14.080 so that's important, and you'd go from there, so you'd 1:23:14.080 --> 1:23:16.320 get the diagnosis, you know, exclude the other things, and 1:23:16.320 --> 1:23:19.160 then work on the management. So firstly, thank you so 1:23:19.240 --> 1:23:22.240 much for bringing up these topics. It's so great that 1:23:22.320 --> 1:23:23.680 so many people are going to be listening to this. 1:23:24.080 --> 1:23:27.120 I know I love and hate medicine. No, I love medicine, 1:23:27.160 --> 1:23:27.639 but I really. 1:23:27.800 --> 1:23:28.519 I hate medicine. 1:23:28.560 --> 1:23:31.240 I am I haven't seen me. 1:23:31.680 --> 1:23:33.920 I love medicine, but I hate that I can only 1:23:34.120 --> 1:23:36.720 work with my individual patients. And it's really exciting to 1:23:36.720 --> 1:23:39.400 be sharing this information. Just the final thing I was 1:23:39.400 --> 1:23:42.960 going to say, if you have a health problem, especially 1:23:42.960 --> 1:23:45.839 if it's peacos or other kind of female reproductive related problem, 1:23:46.400 --> 1:23:48.960 see a GP with an interest in it. You know, GPS, 1:23:49.040 --> 1:23:51.200 it's such a diverse thing. They need to know about 1:23:51.360 --> 1:23:54.559 absolutely everything, and they're not specialists, so they can't know 1:23:54.840 --> 1:23:57.280 in depth. And to really crap, the government doesn't you 1:23:57.320 --> 1:24:00.000 know many here rebate them properly for all of this explanent, 1:24:00.560 --> 1:24:03.680 the understanding, the education. So see your doctor with an 1:24:03.680 --> 1:24:06.120 interest in the area. Google search you know us a GP. 1:24:06.280 --> 1:24:07.960 Do you have an interest in this and it's that 1:24:08.040 --> 1:24:09.719 teamwork thing. You really got to work with them. 1:24:09.840 --> 1:24:11.720 Tottera Ezie, thank you so much for coming and being 1:24:11.720 --> 1:24:13.439 a part of the podcast. Thank you for sharing your 1:24:13.479 --> 1:24:14.920 absolute wealth of knowledge. 1:24:15.040 --> 1:24:17.639 You do, Eazy have an Instagram page that is full 1:24:17.680 --> 1:24:20.960 of so much amazing information. Do you want to just 1:24:21.000 --> 1:24:22.639 tell everyone where they can find you if they want 1:24:22.640 --> 1:24:23.080 to know more? 1:24:23.439 --> 1:24:28.240 Sure, it's d dust belt the whole word, ezy K Smith. 1:24:28.280 --> 1:24:30.360 Doctor, Izzy K. Smith. Great, I've been on the page. 1:24:30.439 --> 1:24:32.559 It's a wealth of information, lots of stuff on peacocks 1:24:33.360 --> 1:24:33.680 all right. 1:24:33.760 --> 1:24:36.040 You know that we never finished an episode without our 1:24:36.160 --> 1:24:38.479 suck and our sweet, our highlight and our low light 1:24:38.600 --> 1:24:41.120 of each and every week and pretty hockly do you 1:24:41.120 --> 1:24:43.400 want to kick it off with your sucky suck? 1:24:43.479 --> 1:24:45.519 Sucky? Yeah? Do you know what? I was just trying 1:24:45.520 --> 1:24:47.120 to think of my suck because I always lived the 1:24:47.240 --> 1:24:47.719 last minute. 1:24:47.760 --> 1:24:49.679 You know, I really want it to be we literally 1:24:49.800 --> 1:24:51.439 it's like we're about to do suck in the sweet 1:24:51.439 --> 1:24:51.880 and bridges? 1:24:51.920 --> 1:24:53.720 What was no long for the work? Because I like 1:24:53.760 --> 1:24:55.920 to keep it very current, so maybe my stuck up 1:24:55.920 --> 1:24:57.360 in ten minutes ago. I need to wait to the 1:24:57.400 --> 1:24:59.320 very last minute to think about it. I have a 1:24:59.360 --> 1:25:01.200 suck that I've been I told you about yet, Laura, 1:25:02.200 --> 1:25:02.840 it just hit me. 1:25:02.920 --> 1:25:03.080 Now. 1:25:03.200 --> 1:25:04.519 I was going to say it look at sometimes it 1:25:04.640 --> 1:25:07.360 just comes down to nowhere. Leave it to the last minute. 1:25:07.400 --> 1:25:08.400 You never know what's going to happen. 1:25:08.439 --> 1:25:11.680 I was going to say my suck was that I 1:25:11.680 --> 1:25:13.240 didn't get to see my mom and Mother's Day, I 1:25:13.240 --> 1:25:15.080 couldn't get up to Port mcquarie. But I'll be seeing 1:25:15.080 --> 1:25:16.280 her in a few weeks. But then this one just 1:25:16.320 --> 1:25:20.040 hit me, and this is so much better. I what, 1:25:20.280 --> 1:25:25.680 I had a date this week, I had my. 1:25:25.840 --> 1:25:27.960 Friends back the mud. 1:25:28.240 --> 1:25:32.400 Okay, well, I tried Laura, where it's going away? Is 1:25:32.479 --> 1:25:35.080 this Is this a date you don't know about? This? 1:25:35.240 --> 1:25:37.400 Is this a date with the person who you've gone 1:25:37.400 --> 1:25:38.120 on a couple of dates? 1:25:38.240 --> 1:25:39.840 Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 1:25:39.880 --> 1:25:42.200 So everyone just saying, no, Brittany's been on a few 1:25:42.280 --> 1:25:43.240 dates with the same person. 1:25:43.400 --> 1:25:48.799 Yeah, but like a minuscule amount, like very minuscule amount. Anyway, 1:25:48.880 --> 1:25:52.920 hopefully he doesn't hear that. No, well he will not 1:25:53.040 --> 1:25:56.000 hear about it now. Anyway, we had organized a date, 1:25:56.520 --> 1:25:58.760 and we had had a crazy busy week and We've 1:25:58.800 --> 1:26:01.160 done a lot of recording. Laura and I had been 1:26:01.200 --> 1:26:02.560 in a recording studio. 1:26:02.479 --> 1:26:04.680 All day, Like that's the way I still sound like 1:26:04.800 --> 1:26:07.400 I've been deep throating some sandpaper. Yeah. 1:26:07.400 --> 1:26:09.439 We had a six hour day of non stop talking, 1:26:09.520 --> 1:26:11.719 and then he had and then we had to record. 1:26:11.920 --> 1:26:14.640 This person that I have been the only person I 1:26:14.640 --> 1:26:16.320 have been on a date with, said you know what, 1:26:16.400 --> 1:26:18.479 I'll take you to dinner on Friday night. And I 1:26:18.520 --> 1:26:20.479 was like great. He's like, you've had a pretty hectic 1:26:20.560 --> 1:26:22.320 week and I was like, yes, let's do Friday. He's like, 1:26:22.320 --> 1:26:23.599 I'll take you on a great dinner. I was like great, 1:26:23.880 --> 1:26:26.080 So Friday comes. Didn't think about it. I mean no, 1:26:26.160 --> 1:26:27.320 I did think about it, but I wasn't going to 1:26:27.360 --> 1:26:30.360 text him about it. So I raced home after this 1:26:30.439 --> 1:26:31.439 because I was like, gott to get home, got to 1:26:31.520 --> 1:26:33.439 get ready. I'm sure he's just gonna message me the 1:26:33.479 --> 1:26:35.240 time and the place or pick me up or whatever, 1:26:35.360 --> 1:26:38.679 because that's how I imagine people do dates. I get home, 1:26:38.760 --> 1:26:42.639 I quickly get showered, I get ready. Nothing, seven o'clock comes. Nothing. 1:26:43.240 --> 1:26:47.640 I texted him and I'm like, hey, uh, what's you know? 1:26:47.680 --> 1:26:50.120 Where you at or what's happening. What are you up to? 1:26:50.720 --> 1:26:53.840 And he sent me a picture back, a photo of 1:26:54.160 --> 1:26:56.920 takeaway with his friends watching a movie. He's like, oh, nothing, 1:26:57.160 --> 1:26:59.120 I've just finished dinner and we're watching a movie with 1:26:59.200 --> 1:27:01.920 the boys. And I was like what. I was like, 1:27:02.000 --> 1:27:03.519 He's like, what are you doing? And I was like, 1:27:03.560 --> 1:27:06.280 waiting for you? I said, literally, I said, I'm waiting 1:27:06.320 --> 1:27:09.360 for you. He's like, huh, I'm confused. I said me too. 1:27:09.600 --> 1:27:12.680 I was like, I'm waiting for the dinner that you said. 1:27:13.320 --> 1:27:15.080 He was like, oh my god, I completely forgot. 1:27:15.360 --> 1:27:16.120 He forgot. 1:27:16.200 --> 1:27:18.559 Well, he goes, I forgot, I said friday night. I 1:27:18.600 --> 1:27:21.320 just thought I said over the weekend, and I was anyway, 1:27:21.720 --> 1:27:25.200 he's still out. That was it. He was beside himself apologizing. 1:27:25.240 --> 1:27:28.920 He's like I genuinely He's like, actually, I feel so bad, 1:27:28.960 --> 1:27:31.280 but my mouth is fucking open. 1:27:31.920 --> 1:27:32.920 You got stood up. 1:27:33.160 --> 1:27:36.000 Yeah, and I mean I'm not what he says. Not intentionally. 1:27:36.320 --> 1:27:38.160 He was like, can you like, why don't we watch 1:27:38.160 --> 1:27:39.800 a movie or something now? Like, and I just said, 1:27:40.200 --> 1:27:42.080 forget it. That's what I wrote off. Yeah, of course I. 1:27:42.080 --> 1:27:44.240 Would have been the same thing. It'd been so dirty, 1:27:44.720 --> 1:27:47.519 you soft boy. Actually, okay, that's a new term. I've 1:27:47.560 --> 1:27:50.000 just learned. It's not a fuck boy. It's a soft boy. 1:27:50.040 --> 1:27:52.720 It's if they're like kind of emotionally sensitive, but then 1:27:52.760 --> 1:27:54.880 start doing fuck boy things like that. 1:27:56.360 --> 1:27:58.840 Anyway, it was pretty funny, like it was in all 1:27:58.840 --> 1:28:00.640 lot to see I'm laughing. It was like it was 1:28:00.640 --> 1:28:01.960 a genuine mistake. Yeah, but cool. 1:28:02.000 --> 1:28:03.600 It was cute, like I love getting and doing my 1:28:03.640 --> 1:28:04.760 makeup and getting ready for a date. 1:28:04.800 --> 1:28:06.800 Then sitting at home on my own on a total 1:28:07.000 --> 1:28:09.080 I just want to take away and watch a movie. Anyway, 1:28:09.280 --> 1:28:11.640 My sweet was I did you end up seeing him 1:28:11.680 --> 1:28:15.120 then over the weekend? Negative? No? I did? For coffee? Yeah, 1:28:15.120 --> 1:28:15.680 actually I did. 1:28:15.880 --> 1:28:16.080 Yeah. 1:28:16.520 --> 1:28:18.240 I think if someone stands you up on a nighttime date, 1:28:18.280 --> 1:28:20.160 you've got to punish them with a daytime date where 1:28:20.160 --> 1:28:22.960 they're not getting laid. Fuck you, it's breakfast now. 1:28:22.960 --> 1:28:24.320 But I was like, yeah, you get you get a 1:28:24.360 --> 1:28:28.280 decaf coffee. You don't even get a caffeine in coffee. 1:28:28.720 --> 1:28:32.559 My suite was I had a little friend's fair. Well, 1:28:32.600 --> 1:28:34.720 so I went out on Saturday night and I hit 1:28:34.760 --> 1:28:36.760 the d floor. My knees are paint for it the 1:28:36.800 --> 1:28:38.640 next day. I'm a bit old now, but it was 1:28:38.640 --> 1:28:40.000 a really fun night. It was just nice to be 1:28:40.000 --> 1:28:40.800 out with my friends again. 1:28:41.160 --> 1:28:45.960 Cute, so wholesome. I also feel like, now that I know, 1:28:46.000 --> 1:28:47.960 it's kind of even weird to like think about or 1:28:48.000 --> 1:28:50.000 talk about that whole COVID thing that happened where we 1:28:50.000 --> 1:28:51.519 didn't go and leave our house for four and a 1:28:51.520 --> 1:28:51.960 half months. 1:28:51.960 --> 1:28:54.320 I know you now, it's a real effort. I'm like, oh, 1:28:54.360 --> 1:28:55.679 it's so easy to stay inside. 1:28:55.760 --> 1:28:59.559 No, it's just like for me because obviously having kids 1:28:59.720 --> 1:29:01.639 and they both so little still, I don't really get 1:29:01.640 --> 1:29:03.479 out very often. It's not like I can't even tell 1:29:03.479 --> 1:29:05.840 you the last time that I went out dancing, which 1:29:05.920 --> 1:29:08.280 just sounds funny now. But like the whole idea of 1:29:08.320 --> 1:29:10.320 actually leaving the house, some people are able to socialize 1:29:10.360 --> 1:29:11.040 and do stuff. 1:29:11.200 --> 1:29:13.599 I mean, what I novel? Do you? Well? What's your suck? Okay? 1:29:13.600 --> 1:29:15.360 My stuck for the week is that it was Mother's 1:29:15.439 --> 1:29:17.720 Day on the weekend and that my children, both of them, 1:29:17.840 --> 1:29:19.200 woke up and they chose violence. 1:29:19.400 --> 1:29:20.960 From the minute that they woke up. 1:29:21.240 --> 1:29:23.920 They were like, today's the day for drama. I have 1:29:24.240 --> 1:29:26.920 never I shouldn't say i've never, like I have, but 1:29:27.040 --> 1:29:29.800 they were both just on their worst behavior. It's like, oh, 1:29:30.000 --> 1:29:32.400 today's mom's day, so we're gonna make sure that it's 1:29:32.439 --> 1:29:33.360 fucking terrible for her. 1:29:33.720 --> 1:29:35.040 They just screamed all day. 1:29:35.280 --> 1:29:37.240 There was actually one point where Mary had a tantrum 1:29:37.360 --> 1:29:39.480 in the middle of the road. 1:29:39.640 --> 1:29:40.760 Laid down safe. 1:29:40.840 --> 1:29:46.120 She laid down on her stomach in the middle of 1:29:46.160 --> 1:29:46.679 the road. 1:29:46.800 --> 1:29:47.679 What do you even do? 1:29:47.840 --> 1:29:48.280 Rip her up? 1:29:48.280 --> 1:29:50.360 By one artist, Yeah. 1:29:50.120 --> 1:29:52.680 You're like like, well, for a minute there, I was like, 1:29:52.960 --> 1:29:54.920 if you keep this up, you can stay here. 1:29:54.920 --> 1:29:57.280 And I was like, that's very irresponsible. There's a truck coming. 1:29:58.360 --> 1:30:00.600 But it just felt like and I know the like 1:30:00.640 --> 1:30:02.880 if you're a mum, you'll understand this. There's just some 1:30:02.960 --> 1:30:05.519 days that no matter what you asked them to do, 1:30:05.960 --> 1:30:08.200 they want to do the complete opposite. Like you could 1:30:08.240 --> 1:30:10.800 say I they'll be like, do you want cereal or 1:30:10.800 --> 1:30:12.519 do you want toasts? They'll say they want cereal. Then 1:30:12.560 --> 1:30:14.479 you'll make them cereal. Then they'll scream at the cereal. 1:30:14.720 --> 1:30:16.080 Then you'll say you need to put your shoes on, 1:30:16.120 --> 1:30:17.519 and they'll say they don't want to wear shoes today. 1:30:17.520 --> 1:30:20.280 And it was literally just every single thing they fought 1:30:20.280 --> 1:30:20.479 me on. 1:30:20.600 --> 1:30:22.840 So could I ever win? Yeah? No, I didn't. I 1:30:22.880 --> 1:30:23.479 lost anyway. 1:30:23.520 --> 1:30:25.439 But the one thing I did win and my sweet 1:30:25.439 --> 1:30:28.240 for the week was also Mother's Day, and that was 1:30:28.320 --> 1:30:31.520 because Matt was such an angel. I thought he'd forgotten. 1:30:31.880 --> 1:30:33.360 I kind of made a joke the night before because 1:30:33.400 --> 1:30:35.240 I was like, I know that you haven't got me anything, 1:30:35.320 --> 1:30:37.240 but even if you don't get me anything, just get 1:30:37.280 --> 1:30:37.800 me a card. 1:30:37.920 --> 1:30:39.840 Well, he did his little radio tribute to you. If 1:30:39.840 --> 1:30:41.600 you guys haven't heard the radio show, he caught up 1:30:41.640 --> 1:30:43.680 with Marley and they left a little message he did 1:30:43.760 --> 1:30:45.400 that is on and I cried about and you didn't. 1:30:45.479 --> 1:30:46.240 I didn't even cry. 1:30:46.680 --> 1:30:48.559 But if you haven't listened to the radio show, that 1:30:48.680 --> 1:30:51.000 is literally the episode before this in the podcast, so 1:30:51.040 --> 1:30:52.280 if you want to jump on there and listen to that. 1:30:52.320 --> 1:30:53.479 But I woke up in the morning. He let me 1:30:53.520 --> 1:30:56.160 sleep in. It was nine o'clock and I got up 1:30:56.320 --> 1:30:58.600 and the kids were already like up awake, out of 1:30:58.640 --> 1:31:00.720 the house. He got a beautiful bunch of flowers. They're 1:31:00.760 --> 1:31:02.760 sitting on the table, and he just wrote me the 1:31:02.920 --> 1:31:05.960 nicest letter, like a proper letter. He penned a letter 1:31:05.960 --> 1:31:07.320 to me, guys, and it would. 1:31:07.080 --> 1:31:08.000 Have been any present. 1:31:08.160 --> 1:31:11.200 It was really sweet and like guccie ye do it, 1:31:11.240 --> 1:31:11.639 I mean. 1:31:11.960 --> 1:31:13.680 A letter or dear no. 1:31:13.720 --> 1:31:15.320 But it was just really nice. I mean, I guess 1:31:15.360 --> 1:31:17.600 like sometimes when you're in the fog of parenting, you 1:31:17.640 --> 1:31:20.080 don't get to like have those moments to connect always, 1:31:20.120 --> 1:31:22.439 and like it's just really nice to kind of I 1:31:22.479 --> 1:31:24.599 don't know. I think that there's such a sentimental thing 1:31:24.600 --> 1:31:26.640 that goes into writing a letter and writing how you 1:31:26.640 --> 1:31:29.720 feel about someone, and it was very special and I. 1:31:29.680 --> 1:31:32.160 Loved it the end. 1:31:32.640 --> 1:31:34.600 Anyway, guys, that is it from us. We hope that 1:31:34.600 --> 1:31:36.519 you love the episode. We hope you learn something. If 1:31:36.560 --> 1:31:39.400 you know someone who has PCOS, or you think that 1:31:39.520 --> 1:31:42.120 some of the symptoms or things that we've spoken about 1:31:42.120 --> 1:31:44.640 will resonate with someone who you love, send them this 1:31:44.840 --> 1:31:48.080 podcast episode. Recommend it to your friends. Recommend it to 1:31:48.160 --> 1:31:50.640 all your female friends who will get something out of it. 1:31:50.840 --> 1:31:52.920 Also to your male friends who don't understand the female 1:31:52.920 --> 1:31:54.719 reproductive system and maybe need a hand. 1:31:55.000 --> 1:31:56.400 How many holes are there? Who knows? 1:31:56.840 --> 1:31:59.120 I think it's three, but like the jury is still out. 1:32:00.120 --> 1:32:02.439 So if you have any questions for asking cut, you 1:32:02.479 --> 1:32:05.280 can slide on into the DMS with your questions. 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