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Speaker 1: Todd Samson's latest investigation, Mirror Mirror, Love and Hate, begins

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Speaker 1: seven point thirty tonight on Channel ten and Todd joins

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Speaker 1: us now, good.

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Speaker 2: Morning, Good morning.

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Speaker 1: This new two part documentary series looks at the negative

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Speaker 1: impacts of the Internet and in particular social media, and Todd,

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Speaker 1: I Nellie spat my freshly made cup of tea across

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Speaker 1: the room when I saw that the ivory Jozsie is

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Speaker 1: going to spend seventeen years of their life looking at

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Speaker 1: their phone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's dystopian and slightly sad, isn't it, really think about it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would assume that that's the averag Jozsie that

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Speaker 1: was born within the phone.

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Speaker 2: Ear.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm never going to It's never going to

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Speaker 1: make up seventeen years of my life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And this is one of the things that's covered

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Speaker 2: in the film. So the film is primarily about what

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Speaker 2: we can do about it and the negative impacts that's

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Speaker 2: happening because of the Internet. And there's a generation of kids,

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Speaker 2: including my daughters, my teenage daughters, they've only known the

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Speaker 2: mobile Internet. They don't read newspapers, they don't you know,

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Speaker 2: everything is either from social media, TikTok, and me, my

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Speaker 2: youngest daughter, watched the majority of the ukraineer has been

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Speaker 2: watching the majority of the Ukraine War on TikTok thee

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Speaker 2: oh Ukrainian soldiers. Who's podcasting at all? Yeah, so it

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Speaker 2: is a different world, and the research has only come

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Speaker 2: out now. It's an experiment that we've been in for

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Speaker 2: ten fifteen years and the research is only coming out now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No greater example than Lisa and I were Billie Eilish

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Speaker 3: last Friday week ago at the gig and most of

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Speaker 3: the crab with fifteen sixteen year old girls todd and

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Speaker 3: she asked them to turn their phone lights on and

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Speaker 3: the torches were on in less than a second because

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Speaker 3: everyone was on their phone to start with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's interesting, right because one of the psychologists

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Speaker 2: in the film talks about the attention. So basically, these

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Speaker 2: companies are harvesting our attention for advertising. Ninety seven percent

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Speaker 2: of Facebook's revenues from advertising, so they get it by

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Speaker 2: holding our attention online then selling us ads. But here's

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Speaker 2: the thing. Our attention spans have dramatically decreased, and Concerence

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Speaker 2: is a really good example of this. So what we

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Speaker 2: know is that if you on holiday or if you're

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Speaker 2: at a concert and you film it or you see

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Speaker 2: the majority get to your phone, you remember less of

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Speaker 2: it because the brain knows that you've stored it externally,

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Speaker 2: so it's no need for it to imprint it inside.

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Speaker 2: So you're actually losing memories because of the phone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the brain is a muscle like anything else.

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Speaker 1: I would imagine that just makes it get weaker and

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Speaker 1: weaker for everything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the well, the research has come out now

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Speaker 2: saying that we used to believe the fundamental issue was

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Speaker 2: screen time, and screen time is a massive issue because

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Speaker 2: we've never been more lonely yet more connected because we're

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Speaker 2: on our devices. But then the current research has come

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Speaker 2: out and said the main issue when it comes to

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Speaker 2: mental health, when it comes to self harm and suicide

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Speaker 2: is the introduction of the like button in two thousand

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Speaker 2: and nine.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's so sad. Is it either going to

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Speaker 1: get worse hard.

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Speaker 2: Or well, it will get worse because unless we regulate.

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Speaker 2: And this is one of the first times ever in

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Speaker 2: my life that I've ever thought to regulate, because I

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Speaker 2: normally am skeptical of the government. But without regulation, these

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Speaker 2: companies their own regulated and they are doing everything they

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Speaker 2: can for profit because that's their judiciary responsibility. That's there

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Speaker 2: to do.

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Speaker 3: In the back of my.

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Speaker 1: Mind, I can sort of think about over the last

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Speaker 1: few years, there have been some talk and it's so

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Speaker 1: sort of loose. I can't remember exactly what happened because

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Speaker 1: it hasn't really happened. There was some talk about disabling

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Speaker 1: like buttons. You know you were going to be able

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Speaker 1: to do that, but do you know what I mean, nothings.

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Speaker 1: Nothing has come of it.

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Speaker 2: No, they did they did it, They did it, they

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Speaker 2: did it. They ran the experiment, Yes, but people stopped

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Speaker 2: going on and they're so what do they do? They

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Speaker 2: just re just put that back.

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Speaker 4: Yet one hand, it's easy to demonize these tech companies,

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Speaker 4: and I do a bit untilm but reality is they're

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Speaker 4: they're private.

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Speaker 2: They are public and listic companies that are justiven by

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Speaker 2: one thing, profit and in order to get their profit,

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Speaker 2: they need to get our attention to tell us. Their

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Speaker 2: job is to hold our attention.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're talking about regulation. Self regulation is not enough.

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Speaker 3: We're not disciplined enough because I had I don't use

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Speaker 3: Twitter anymore because I had to remove the app from

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Speaker 3: my screen. But that's not enough. We can't trust each

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Speaker 3: other to do that.

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Speaker 2: Well, you could argue, I know it's pushing it a

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Speaker 2: little bit, but it's similar to saying to an addict

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Speaker 2: stop just stop. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they've already been rewired.

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Speaker 2: But but all hope is not lost obviously, I mean scarily,

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Speaker 2: we're only at the beginning. They're trying to get us

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Speaker 2: to walk into the metaverse.

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Speaker 1: Mac so I give us a little bit of the hope.

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Speaker 2: The hope is Australia, of all countries in the world,

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Speaker 2: is further ahead. We have the first e safety commissioner

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Speaker 2: of any country in the world, and we are we

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Speaker 2: are further ahead than most other countries.

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Speaker 3: All right, fifteen on the toilet, on the phone, seventeen And.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the positive reinforcement needs to come from other sources,

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Speaker 1: you know, as much as possible, just sort of bringing

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Speaker 1: it back to parents and so on and each other

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Speaker 1: rather than like buttons and whatnot.

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Speaker 3: Trying to break the heavy fascinating stuff.

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Speaker 1: All right, Todd, this is fascinating. It starts tonight. It's

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Speaker 1: a two part of seven point thirty on Channel ten.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Todd all the best, Thanks for having me