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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Selena, Good.

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Speaker 3: Morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you in the studio now. I know

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Speaker 1: You know there's always people messaging going Katie, hang on

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Speaker 4: Thanks Katie, And we know yesterday did mark that hundred

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Speaker 4: And look, I've said alongside my labor colleagues that we're

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Speaker 4: They promised to do a job for territorians. They're not

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Speaker 1: And look, you know, the crime and the antisocial behavior

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Speaker 4: I think we could always do more in that space, Katie,

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And it's been such an interesting journey for me

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Speaker 1: Now I want to ask you the Colp. It was

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Speaker 4: Territorians also get involved in territory petitions, but in terms

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Speaker 4: is that Leah Finocchio, before she was Chief Minister, said

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Speaker 4: in the Northern Territory. It was not part of her agenda,

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Speaker 4: it was not part of the CLP's movement. But we

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Speaker 4: two process just so listeners can understand. You can table

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Speaker 4: and it's been you know read in Parliament, you know

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Speaker 4: our lawmaking Institute in the Northern Territory. But what the

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Speaker 3: Then say that yes, to then come back to then

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Speaker 4: So you know, the Public's account Community, Katie, is chaired

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Speaker 4: and they have the numbers on the community.

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Speaker 1: Worried that they're going to force this through. You worried

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Speaker 1: that they are going to repeal these rights for Northern

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Speaker 1: I know that for a lot of women listening to

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Speaker 1: the show, they'll be thinking, well, it's my body, it's

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Speaker 1: it's not an easy choice to make, you know, it

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Speaker 1: would not be something that's taken lightly. So, like, I

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Speaker 4: I'm one hundred percent with you, kat worried because the

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Speaker 4: moral issue around abortion is not what should be debated

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Speaker 3: What we need to really.

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Speaker 4: Focus on is why would something like this be coming

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Speaker 3: So and Onlia has said that it's.

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Speaker 4: Not going to be an issue and she's got no agenda,

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Speaker 4: but the numbers tell differently and the actions are telled differently,

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Speaker 4: and this happened on the last day of parliament to Katie,

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Speaker 1: Can you tell us, I mean you obviously you were

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Unfortunately, Katie, as you said, it can be very difficult.

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Speaker 4: It could be for medical reasons not people think that

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Speaker 3: We talk about expertise on this show.

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Speaker 4: You have that extra level of support by an expert

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Speaker 4: through unfortunately a surgical process. So having all that, there's

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Speaker 4: it's not a nice process for any woman or family

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Speaker 4: safety is first and foremost, so it's not for Parliament

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Speaker 4: to debate whether this should happen or not. I don't

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Speaker 4: when we've got some of the things that Leah has

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Speaker 4: do that. And also, Katie just remembering and reminding listeners

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Speaker 4: that last week the COLP changed the sessional orders to

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Speaker 4: remove the human Compatibility State Human Rights Compatibility statement out

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Speaker 2: So right, you did that back when you were in powers.

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Speaker 3: It was yeah, that's correct, Katie.

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Speaker 4: It was out of sessional orders, but we adopted it

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Speaker 3: So it's up to the Cabinet of the day.

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Speaker 2: They can do the same.

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Speaker 4: They can do the same. We have not heard them

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Speaker 4: commit to that. We did ask the question when we

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Speaker 4: fourteenth Legislative Assembly Rules to govern Parliament? Will this apply

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Speaker 4: to your cabinet? And they have not come out written statement.

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Speaker 4: They didn't reply. They didn't answer that question. We asked

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Speaker 2: Selena a quick listener questions.

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Speaker 1: Someone's messaged said, is Labor only going to table petitions

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Speaker 1: that they agree with?

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Speaker 4: No, Katie, our job is to table those petitions to

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Speaker 4: make sure we have the voices of territorians. Obviously there

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Speaker 4: are different processes around how petitions come to any member

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Speaker 4: those voices. The big thing around what's happened with their

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Speaker 4: COLP member is that they could have tabled the petition

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Speaker 4: They've now referred to it being coming back to Parliament

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Speaker 4: to then be debated, and that's what we don't agree

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Speaker 4: with for that particular petition.

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Speaker 1: Selena Rubo or Position Leader, good to speak with you

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Speaker 1: this morning. Will will I speak to you again before Christmas?

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Speaker 4: We might?

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Speaker 1: Katy excellent, Thank you, thanks so much for your time

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Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thanks to your listeners.