Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
Speaker 1: TV Relogan podcast last week. They're wight. Hey guys, welcome
Speaker 1: back to TV Reload. I want to thank you for
Speaker 1: clicking and downloading on today's episode, and I'm excited to
Speaker 1: bring you my chat with Logan, who absolutely earned this
Speaker 1: opportunity to unpack her experience at Australian Survivor Brains versus
Speaker 1: Braun too. Logan made it all the way to week
Speaker 1: seven and what has to be one of the most
Speaker 1: unpredictable seasons I can remember. Now Miles managed to throw
Speaker 1: some shade calling Logan an emotional player, but today we're
Speaker 1: digging into weather. There's a difference between being an emotional
Speaker 1: person and an emotional Survivor player. Let's just say it's
Speaker 1: not as black and white as it seems. We will
Speaker 1: also get into the fan theory that there was too
Speaker 1: many conversations about going to Rocks and whether or not
Speaker 1: that was actually a coincidence. Logan's going to also open
Speaker 1: up about watching back her own demise this week, what
Speaker 1: was really going through her mind and why it brought
Speaker 1: her to tears. It's raw, it's honest, and definitely one
Speaker 1: for the fans. Plus, Logan will spill the tea on
Speaker 1: who she thinks is a completely different person in real life,
Speaker 1: the audience reaction to her sassy gameplay, and whether her
Speaker 1: time as a Wag in the Wag world actually gave
Speaker 1: her an edge in the game. Ohen. Of course, we
Speaker 1: will get into the collapse of the original alliance with
Speaker 1: the Coven, and Logan gives her simple explanation on why
Speaker 1: that fell apart. There is actually a lot to unpack,
Speaker 1: and you know there's going to be some behind the
Speaker 1: scenes gold. So sit back, relax, and let's dive into
Speaker 1: the world of Australian Survivor, which returns this Sunday and
Speaker 1: Monday night. Very excited to be talking to you about
Speaker 1: this show. You kind of had like a very emotional
Speaker 1: ride with Survivor. What was it like for you in
Speaker 1: comparison to what you thought you were signing up for.
Speaker 2: Look, honestly, I am just an emotional person. I was
Speaker 2: an emotional player out there. I think people are getting
Speaker 2: that really confused. I wear my heart on my sleeve
Speaker 2: and I give my emotions to everything. I give them
Speaker 2: all to my friendships, my alliances, and I think people
Speaker 2: really confuse that with gameplay. I did not did not
Speaker 2: vote emotionally once. If you go back through my track
Speaker 2: record of voting, I'm on the right side of most
Speaker 2: of the votes until the end, and I voted strategically.
Speaker 2: But it is hard. You go out there and everyone thinks,
Speaker 2: like when they're watching, like, oh, just be a game bot,
Speaker 2: like turn your emotions off. But we are playing a
Speaker 2: game with human lives. We're not chess pieces. Unfortunately, we
Speaker 2: do have emotion. So when you're playing a human game
Speaker 2: like that, when you're tired, you're stressed, you're delusional, half
Speaker 2: the time, emotions come out and that's okay. It's a
Speaker 2: human game, so it's a massive part of the game.
Speaker 2: And I think to be torn apart because I have
Speaker 2: emotions is really unfair.
Speaker 1: Well, someone threw that out there. Who was that? There
Speaker 1: was someone who said that through the season.
Speaker 2: And they were like Miles. Miles definitely called me an
Speaker 2: emotional player, But Miles is more of an emotion less player.
Speaker 2: So I think we're on two opposite ends of the
Speaker 2: spectrum there. Also, I've got mad Adhd and emotions is
Speaker 2: something that I really struggle with. Impulse control and controlling
Speaker 2: my emotions has always been something that was tough and
Speaker 2: chucking the elements of Survivor and you've got twenty four
Speaker 2: extroverted cast members. It is a lot to handle. So
Speaker 2: I mean I could have blown off the handle way
Speaker 2: more than I did, and I really really reined it
Speaker 2: in a lot. It's a human game, so I mean,
Speaker 2: cut people some slack.
Speaker 1: How did you get on this show though, Like I
Speaker 1: kind of imagine you wanting to apply for it?
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I've been a fan of the show since
Speaker 2: I was about seven, so it was my favorite thing
Speaker 2: to watch with my dad. It was one of our
Speaker 2: things that we did my brothers and sisters and I
Speaker 2: would sit up all night watching and my mum would
Speaker 2: send us off to bed at bedtime right before travel council,
Speaker 2: and I remember sitting in the hallway and trying to
Speaker 2: sneak a peak of tribal Council. So it's always been
Speaker 2: a part of my life. I've watched every season and
Speaker 2: my family is very big into games and competitive games,
Speaker 2: and we do a lot of them based on Survivor things.
Speaker 2: So we have a family challenge every year where our
Speaker 2: were split into our teams, and we've been playing games
Speaker 2: my entire life, so I applied originally for twenty seven.
Speaker 2: I want to say I think it was that year,
Speaker 2: and I've been in chats with the producers sort of
Speaker 2: on and off since I went until I went on
Speaker 2: this year or last year.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm going to say, so, how you were twelve
Speaker 1: when you applied?
Speaker 2: I was nineteen or twenty I think when I first applied.
Speaker 1: And what did they say to you? For what? Not
Speaker 1: putting you on? Because, like, to forgive me for saying this,
Speaker 1: but you're sort of born to be in a competition
Speaker 1: like this, Like you know, you've got a degree for it,
Speaker 1: you have a passion for the show personally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think when I first chatted to them,
Speaker 2: I got really really far in the process, and they
Speaker 2: called me up the next year and sort of were
Speaker 2: asking around of are you still interested and blah blah,
Speaker 2: And I was actually pregnant at the time, so I
Speaker 2: had to sort of say, yeah, I am, keep me
Speaker 2: on the keep me on the roster, but not at
Speaker 2: this stage. But I'm actually really I'm really glad I
Speaker 2: didn't get on. I think I knew myself to a
Speaker 2: point when I'm nineteen twenty, but I didn't have any kids.
Speaker 2: I wasn't married yet, and by the time that I've
Speaker 2: got on this time, I have my life kind of
Speaker 2: figured out. I know who I am. I'm very comfortable
Speaker 2: with myself, very self aware. I know I'm emotional and
Speaker 2: I use that in the best ways sometimes. And I
Speaker 2: think if I went out there, I probably would have
Speaker 2: self employed at twenty years old. So I'm really glad
Speaker 2: it didn't happen for me the first time.
Speaker 1: Collect Your Stories is what I say.
Speaker 2: I think I was trying to prove something to myself
Speaker 2: at twenty or trying to be someone I wasn't, and
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, by the time I got on, I
Speaker 2: was like, I've got nothing to prove to I'm not
Speaker 2: doing this for anybody other than myself. I need a
Speaker 2: damn break. I've been raising kids like I'm twenty eight,
Speaker 2: and I feel like I'm seventy five right now, Like
Speaker 2: I need a break. I need to go do something
Speaker 2: that's finally for me. I put a massive stop on
Speaker 2: my career and you need to have kids young with
Speaker 2: my husband, and I just like, it is the time
Speaker 2: for me to do something for myself. So glad it
Speaker 2: didn't happen. The first few times I did have a
Speaker 2: few chats with producers across the years. Obviously the second
Speaker 2: time I was pregnant. The third time I chatted with them,
Speaker 2: they wanted my husband to come on for blood versus Water,
Speaker 2: and he was in the middle of forty so that
Speaker 2: didn't happen. And then I just left it for a
Speaker 2: while until the universe called me and I picked up
Speaker 2: and I was like, you know what it's happening this year,
Speaker 2: I'm going to put myself out there and I'm going
Speaker 2: to twit it.
Speaker 1: And it worked, and it worked, and you did well.
Speaker 1: You did very well to get so far into the competition.
Speaker 1: We're very close to the end at this point. The
Speaker 1: thing that I wanted to talk to about the most
Speaker 1: when I saw your introduction was did socializing with wags
Speaker 1: truly help you in the game of Survivor? Because I
Speaker 1: thought that was positioned really well for your backstory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean absolutely. The football world is crazy, so
Speaker 2: you have people come in and out the door constantly.
Speaker 2: You have to position yourself within the group, and you
Speaker 2: have to know who's in charge and who to talk
Speaker 2: to and how to get yourself in certain places. I
Speaker 2: think also, if you remember back in twenty twenty when
Speaker 2: COVID hit, we all had to go into hubs in
Speaker 2: the football world, so I was living in a hotel
Speaker 2: for three months, raising a nine month old daughter with
Speaker 2: a bunch of girls that I had barely met, and
Speaker 2: I had to be around them every day and it
Speaker 2: was insane. The social dynamics of that was like being
Speaker 2: on school camp and with a bunch of people that
Speaker 2: you didn't know, and it was really challenging. So I
Speaker 2: think that really set me up as well to be
Speaker 2: in an environment where I wasn't comfortable, I didn't like
Speaker 2: some of the people, and I still had to manage
Speaker 2: my way through that. So being a part of the
Speaker 2: football world it has definitely helped me in making my
Speaker 2: social connections and being able to fake it till I
Speaker 2: make it.
Speaker 1: I went to the football. You could probably tell from
Speaker 1: just looking at me I'm not a big football person.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I went to the football on Saturday night
Speaker 1: with my youngest sister. She's fourteen years younger than me,
Speaker 1: and she is dating a famous football as son who
Speaker 1: now plays football, so she's a wag now ultimately slave. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I kept thinking about you that night. I kept
Speaker 1: thinking about you. I kept watching the ways in which
Speaker 1: the other football wives interacted with my sister, and the
Speaker 1: way in which people put sort of a sense of
Speaker 1: importance on your partner because they are playing this game.
Speaker 1: There's sort of an unusual dynamic that gets created. But
Speaker 1: when I kept thinking about you, I kept thinking, Logan's
Speaker 1: really had to look deep into people's personalities every time
Speaker 1: she meets them. Are they being genuine? Are they being honest?
Speaker 1: What is it that they want from me? And that's
Speaker 1: what I was thinking. Must be good for the game
Speaker 1: of survivor, because you're going to meet a lot of
Speaker 1: people in there that are going to give you the ick,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to try and sell you something that
Speaker 1: you don't want to buy.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean, you're absolutely right. That is the AFL world.
Speaker 2: It's a revolving door of people coming in and out.
Speaker 2: There is a lot of people that are not genuine.
Speaker 2: And I think I've been a part of the world
Speaker 2: for about nine years now and it's pretty easy for
Speaker 2: me to spot. The thing is you kill you kill
Speaker 2: everyone with kindness. That's the way that I go about
Speaker 2: the football world is you just credit in your face
Speaker 2: and you're lovely to everyone. There are people that most
Speaker 2: of the time. I think now in my actual football group,
Speaker 2: I do genuinely adore everyone, but they've also been around
Speaker 2: for a very long time. But I think very early days,
Speaker 2: it was difficult to navigate that and know that people
Speaker 2: don't know if you're going to stick around, So they
Speaker 2: don't know if they're going to bother talking to you
Speaker 2: because they're like, oh, you could get dumped by your
Speaker 2: boyfriend next week, so why would we make an effort
Speaker 2: to be friends with you. So it is a bigger
Speaker 2: part of that world has kind of set me up
Speaker 2: for success in Survivor, and I think that particular reason
Speaker 2: was why I didn't get along with Aj at the start,
Speaker 2: because I just saw through what he was doing. I
Speaker 2: was like, you have said the same sentence to every
Speaker 2: single person on this camp on day one. You have
Speaker 2: a beautiful smile and I love your vibe. And I
Speaker 2: was like, hang on, hang on, hang on, if you
Speaker 2: said that there every single person, how can you mean that? Doll? Like,
Speaker 2: I don't believe you, So I think rare, what's going on? Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is nothing against Aj. I adore him as a
Speaker 2: person outside of the game, where Bestie's I think most
Speaker 2: of the cast outside of the game, we're all really
Speaker 2: really great friends. But inside the game, I was like,
Speaker 2: you are playing everyone here and I can see that,
Speaker 2: So I'm not loving that, and I think that's what
Speaker 2: kind of turned him against me at the start. And
Speaker 2: he put a target on my back on day five
Speaker 2: and he was able to finally hit it on day
Speaker 2: thirty nine.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a good question to ask you about the
Speaker 1: way in which you trust your instincts. Were you correct?
Speaker 1: Like did you? Because I mean, this is what happens
Speaker 1: when you go on these shows. You spend time with
Speaker 1: people in the in the bubble that gets created. Were
Speaker 1: people different away from the cameras after the show had finished.
Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't say so. I mean I think the
Speaker 2: person that was the most different was Aj, because Aj
Speaker 2: the whole time was playing. I think everything that Aj
Speaker 2: did was calculated and really strategic. And by the end,
Speaker 2: I mean, like where he's at now, he's at what
Speaker 2: is it, top six?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: You can see he is frazzled, like he he wasn't sleeping.
Speaker 2: I think I woke up in the middle of the
Speaker 2: night one night to go. I think it was when
Speaker 2: the knowledge is power, I think, and Zara came across
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, if there was one at
Speaker 2: their camp. I was like, there's a chance of one
Speaker 2: at ours. And I woke up in the middle of
Speaker 2: the night and I was like, I can't sleep unless
Speaker 2: I go check. And I wake up and I get
Speaker 2: up and I walk back and as she's just standing
Speaker 2: there like a shadowing camp, and I was like, bro,
Speaker 2: do you ever sleep? Like, come on, he stopped eating,
Speaker 2: He wasn't sleeping. You could just see even in the
Speaker 2: last episode with Kristen where Miles are saying, let's keep
Speaker 2: it simple, stupid and AG's like, there's this big plan,
Speaker 2: you can do it, and I'm like, AJ dlling just
Speaker 2: calm down. So out of everyone, I think AJ is
Speaker 2: definitely the most different outside of the game. Miles is
Speaker 2: straight up and down. What you see out there you get.
Speaker 2: He's just a chatterbox who's just like this, this is
Speaker 2: what I'm thinking, this is the way it's going to go.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, cool, Miles, love you. Everyone out there
Speaker 2: was pretty much the same, but AJ the whole time
Speaker 2: was switched on in game mode, and it is really
Speaker 2: nice to meet AJ outside of the game and say hi,
Speaker 2: I'm Logan. This is a which aj Am I getting
Speaker 2: Is this the real one? So the real aj is
Speaker 2: a beautiful person and I really do it or him.
Speaker 1: It's interesting to see that this season of the show,
Speaker 1: there's more women left in this show. You know, the
Speaker 1: alpha males have been exterminated. I wonder whether or not,
Speaker 1: if Zen had not had been hurt, what that might
Speaker 1: have done to the game. I mean, what's your How
Speaker 1: do you unpack the fact that the women have done
Speaker 1: so well this season.
Speaker 2: It is a strategy game, and I think the women
Speaker 2: notice this. At the beginning, we had really strong women
Speaker 2: on the Brains tribe, and we're big thinkers. I mean,
Speaker 2: we're on the brain for a reason, and we know
Speaker 2: the way that reality shows go. It shows go, especially
Speaker 2: strategical games, they do like to pick off women at
Speaker 2: the start. It's just it happens. And we saw that
Speaker 2: with a Candy vote. I think what was not shown
Speaker 2: was that very very very first challenge when we're kind
Speaker 2: of whack the key off the spiral and it gets
Speaker 2: stuck in it's whole mess. Candy had gone up on
Speaker 2: the shoulders of everyone and she was trying to whack
Speaker 2: it off and she said, guys, I can't hit it,
Speaker 2: I can't hold up the branch, and that sent her home.
Speaker 2: So when they were splitting off of Nash, I chatted
Speaker 2: to a few people on the Broad tribe about why
Speaker 2: was Candy the first vote, like I didn't get to
Speaker 2: meet her. I'm so sad she's not there, And they
Speaker 2: said yeah, I mean they just said, she just said
Speaker 2: she wasn't strong enough. And I think in a brown
Speaker 2: dominated tribe, if you say you're not strong, you're gone.
Speaker 2: So it was really really disappointing to see that happen,
Speaker 2: and I think that's really encouraged the women on our
Speaker 2: tribe to say we are sticking strong as women, refuse
Speaker 2: to be sending home women. And then Indy kind of
Speaker 2: mess it up at the very first vote because we
Speaker 2: weren't gone for Indy, it's not happening.
Speaker 1: She really needed to put her foot in it for
Speaker 1: that though, which I put in.
Speaker 2: It unfortunately, which stucked because I do want to work
Speaker 2: with Indy, and especially we didn't want a woman, nor
Speaker 2: a person of color going home first. It was really
Speaker 2: important to our values as women that that's not what
Speaker 2: that was not going to happen. Unfortunately, she did put
Speaker 2: her foot in it, and we didn't really have any
Speaker 2: other choice because she was going to blow off our plans.
Speaker 2: So I think the women are proving that we can
Speaker 2: play strategically. I think the thing that sucks the most
Speaker 2: is that because we I especially am emotional, everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 2: she doesn't know how to play the game. What is
Speaker 2: she doing? She's just crying and winging, And I'm like, bro,
Speaker 2: AJ has a little cry on a rock and you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: poor a J. Paulie's crying. You're like poor Paulli Logan
Speaker 2: cries and You're like, oh, that dumb bitch, And I'm like,
Speaker 2: come on. The double standards for men and women on
Speaker 2: TV shows is absolutely insane.
Speaker 1: Surprised at how much the men cry on reality shows?
Speaker 2: Do you know what tin fairness? Everyone cried, I can
Speaker 2: tell you without a doubt, everyone cried out there. Mine
Speaker 2: just was public. So I think when I first got
Speaker 2: to Merge, I think Kate had said, oh, don't worry, babies,
Speaker 2: I've cried every single day out here. I was like,
Speaker 2: you've cried every day and she's like, yeah, every day
Speaker 2: was fair enough. Actually, it's tough out here.
Speaker 1: It's tough. It is really tough out there. What really
Speaker 1: bothered me was that I know people that make this show,
Speaker 1: so I'd heard a bit about the Coven, so I
Speaker 1: was really excited, like I was about to watch American
Speaker 1: horror story Coven seision, and yeah, this is going to
Speaker 1: be great. It didn't get utilized as well as it
Speaker 1: should have, like.
Speaker 2: It turned more into a horror story.
Speaker 1: It turned into a horror story, exactly right. You think
Speaker 1: was the biggest problem in trying to utilize the Coven
Speaker 1: as a strategic team that should have worked.
Speaker 2: So the wheels came off because none of us were
Speaker 2: completely willing all the time to sit in the backseat.
Speaker 2: We all wanted to drive, and I think, I mean
Speaker 2: there was definitely most of the time I did give
Speaker 2: in and I let them take the wheel, but I
Speaker 2: would ask in return, Hey, if I'm letting you take
Speaker 2: control of this, I need to feel like I've been supported,
Speaker 2: and the next time I want to go over this,
Speaker 2: I need your support. And I think what really put
Speaker 2: a knife in the Coven was the graduates when Laura
Speaker 2: wasn't very willing to vote off Rich and Zara hated
Speaker 2: that and she wanted to turn to someone else who
Speaker 2: she thought she can control or thought put more of
Speaker 2: her trust in and I think that ended the coven really.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean we've got to merge right now.
Speaker 2: We've got three out of four of us sitting on
Speaker 2: the Drew bench, so we got ourselves far enough. I
Speaker 2: just don't think we were built to last, which is fine,
Speaker 2: but we've made some amazing friendships through it, and I'm
Speaker 2: really glad that I get to take away that from this.
Speaker 1: You really didn't want to go to Rocks, you know,
Speaker 1: and that was something that everyone debated a lot. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess the most common question I saw was how
Speaker 1: is it possible that everyone discussed rocks so predominantly throughout
Speaker 1: that episode when an actual fact that really shouldn't have
Speaker 1: been revealed or even it's such a strange anomaly for
Speaker 1: this show, right, Yeah, so topical it was on. It
Speaker 1: was so much on people's minds. Can you speak to
Speaker 1: the reason why there was so much conversation about rocks?
Speaker 1: And that's kind of where we ended up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think coming back into camp that day,
Speaker 2: this split was so obvious. It was very clear. I mean,
Speaker 2: Caitlin is the easiest person to pick up when he's lying,
Speaker 2: and I went to chat with him and he wouldn't
Speaker 2: look he'd look this way in this way, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. And he said the same thing to Christian.
Speaker 2: We had just worked together on this vote, and we
Speaker 2: had tried to form an alliance. And as soon as
Speaker 2: we've been away for twenty four hours and you're saying
Speaker 2: you don't know the vote. It was so clear a
Speaker 2: Jo and Miles were doing their thing. Zara is brought in.
Speaker 2: Zara didn't want to talk to me, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is a four four. I'm a big Spove fan.
Speaker 2: I know exactly what that means. This is going to rock.
Speaker 2: So everyone knew that. I think also there's just the
Speaker 2: element that the boys loved that idea as well. So
Speaker 2: I think they were hyping it up and they really
Speaker 2: wanted it to happen just because they love chaos. They
Speaker 2: I think both like Miles was at a point probably
Speaker 2: at that stage where he was like, if I go out,
Speaker 2: I go out, But I just want to have fun
Speaker 2: with this game, Like he really wanted to have fun.
Speaker 2: I think probably where they're at now top six is
Speaker 2: where they're starting to probably rain in their moves. I
Speaker 2: think they before that they both are thinking, well, if
Speaker 2: I'm just out here, I'm going to have fun with it.
Speaker 2: But now I think they're probably they're probably going to
Speaker 2: switch their mindsets and start playing a bit smarter, or
Speaker 2: not smarter, but less chaotic. But the whole Rock situation
Speaker 2: was really funny because Kate and Morgan and Kristen had
Speaker 2: no idea what it was.
Speaker 1: They didn't know what it was, okay, So.
Speaker 2: I deliberately did not tell them what Rocks was because
Speaker 2: I'd just gotten on them on my side, and I
Speaker 2: knew if they spooked them at camp, they would just
Speaker 2: put my name down, so it was easier for them
Speaker 2: to write my name and be safe then go to Rocks.
Speaker 2: But I didn't want to tell them about that because
Speaker 2: they didn't know what happened when it went to a split,
Speaker 2: so I let it be. Unfortunately for me, I really
Speaker 2: need to win Kristen over as to make it an
Speaker 2: ununanimous boat. But Kristin was away for the scramble because
Speaker 2: she accidentally got hurt by a wasp or stung by
Speaker 2: wasp and she was unable to cat, so that really
Speaker 2: put a knife in my game. I don't know if
Speaker 2: she still would have gone to Rocks if I did
Speaker 2: get the chance to chat to her about her about it,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it was it sucks for me. The insects
Speaker 2: because of Samoa really did not like me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got a friend of mine who did the
Speaker 1: show and filmed it that lowtion and he took a
Speaker 1: few months to get over the insects. He got stung
Speaker 1: by something or he got like a skin infection. It's like,
Speaker 1: I remember what it was. He wrung me to say
Speaker 1: before doing it. He was like, should I do Survivor.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, that's amazing. Because I
Speaker 1: hit him up on Instagram. I was like, you were
Speaker 1: going to love that, And then he wrote to me
Speaker 1: for a good few months being like I'm still not
Speaker 1: overgoing possible. The insects, the bugs. You know, the environment
Speaker 1: is pretty yark.
Speaker 2: I mean. The good thing is when you get back
Speaker 2: at night, you can't see, so you can't see what's
Speaker 2: crawling on. You can't see what's next to you, so
Speaker 2: you don't get that fit. The only thing that freaks
Speaker 2: you out is when you wake up in the middle
Speaker 2: of the night and there's a crab this size on
Speaker 2: top of you. That's that's scary. That's not fun. That
Speaker 2: is really it. The crabs out there are terrifying. They
Speaker 2: like and I grew up in the country, so I'm
Speaker 2: not really afraid of many things, but the crabs, when
Speaker 2: they're the size of your head terrifying.
Speaker 1: That scares the shit out of me. I've just torn
Speaker 1: up my If I was ever applying for the show,
Speaker 1: you're like, that's gone. Was it brutal to watch the
Speaker 1: show back? Because I rewatched the Tribal Councils because I'm
Speaker 1: usually taking a bit of notes because I'm going to
Speaker 1: talk to some of you guys, and I felt like
Speaker 1: it was quite brutal to see everyone saying your name
Speaker 1: at that point. What's the process like watching this show
Speaker 1: back after you've you've given so much into it, and
Speaker 1: when you were finally watching that Tribal Council plat in
Speaker 1: its television format? Was that challenging? And were you second
Speaker 1: guessing yourself on how that could have been played out
Speaker 1: in any other way?
Speaker 2: No, honestly, I mean I know what happened. I know
Speaker 2: how it all happened. I was really interested to see
Speaker 2: the conversations that led to the split. I was looking
Speaker 2: forward to that. I was like, I finally get the
Speaker 2: inside Gus like, it's like finally being like a fly
Speaker 2: on the wall everywhere. You get to see everything that happens,
Speaker 2: and that's the exciting part of watching it back. It
Speaker 2: wasn't hard to watch back. I actually cried, though, props
Speaker 2: to the editors. It was like I was watching a character,
Speaker 2: not myself, and I was like, that's so sad, and
Speaker 2: I was like crying. I knew that I was getting for.
Speaker 1: I know, but you know what, I was sort of
Speaker 1: sad for you myself. Like I think it's you know,
Speaker 1: it is a really strange dynamic that you could give
Speaker 1: yourself up to be on a show like this and
Speaker 1: then then it becomes a TV show, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like you sometimes think, oh, I'm more
Speaker 1: exciting than I really am, or I'm more bitchy than
Speaker 1: I really am. I mean that's the sort of response
Speaker 1: I had to myself on Telly. Yeah, And I just think,
Speaker 1: you know it is there can be a disconnect when
Speaker 1: you're watching it back. It sometimes feels like a caricature
Speaker 1: of yourself, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And I think the thing with the show
Speaker 2: is you have your confessionals and you're trying to be unmade.
Speaker 2: It's like a time, I'm having a chat with you
Speaker 2: right now, and I think people take that the wrong
Speaker 2: way of like, oh, she's trying to put on someone.
Speaker 2: I was like, this is just how I speak to
Speaker 2: my friends. But when I'm out there on Survivor and
Speaker 2: I'm trying to talk strategically, I'm not going babes, let's
Speaker 2: do this, Let's blah blah blah. So it's funny to
Speaker 2: watch the sort of the dichotomy between the two of
Speaker 2: like Logan on the beach and then Logan talking to
Speaker 2: the camera sort of thing. So it's a bit of
Speaker 2: a funny one to watch back. And I do think
Speaker 2: i'd come across a little bit you sometimes or a
Speaker 2: little bit sassy.
Speaker 1: And one of your friends on the show, Laura, corrected
Speaker 1: me because I did talk about you. I said, you know,
Speaker 1: she could be quite sassy. I think was the word
Speaker 1: that I used, and she quickly corrected me on that
Speaker 1: and she said, I love a sassy girl. And Laura
Speaker 1: was like, I'm reclaiming the word, which you know, which
Speaker 1: is synonymous with bitch, like you know I am. I'm
Speaker 1: changing people's minds on the way that these words get
Speaker 1: used about women. And I thought that this season, there's
Speaker 1: been a lot in it for me and a lot
Speaker 1: in it for the viewers to talk about women differently
Speaker 1: and to maybe take away some of those terms that
Speaker 1: have been used against them.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And I was really hopeful going into this
Speaker 2: that the wag title, especially for me, is it's something
Speaker 2: that's negative. And I was happy for them to use
Speaker 2: the term wag to describe me because I wanted to
Speaker 2: come out there and show if this is what you
Speaker 2: think a wag is. She got thirty nine days into
Speaker 2: the game, she killed the challenges. What is a wag choo?
Speaker 2: Is that still a trophy wife? It's not so. I
Speaker 2: mean my actual profession, I'm in marketing, I'm fining my degree.
Speaker 2: I'm a brain through and through. But I was very
Speaker 2: happy for them to use the ter wag because I
Speaker 2: was like, I, wag is not what you think it is.
Speaker 1: A wag is.
Speaker 2: Wife and a partner of a football player, and that
Speaker 2: is just a term. Every single partner of a football
Speaker 2: player that I know is an amazing woman. She's the
Speaker 2: backbone of her partner. She's his therapist, she's his psychologist,
Speaker 2: she's his fucking nurse when he's sick, when he's injured.
Speaker 2: She is the cook for the household. When it's game day,
Speaker 2: she is doing everything. She's running her own business or
Speaker 2: she's killing a UNI. Every single wag that I know
Speaker 2: is an absolute stand up, incredible woman. And I was
Speaker 2: so proud to have that title there and try I
Speaker 2: can get to thirty nine days all on my own.
Speaker 2: My husband didn't get me. Here's nowhere to be.
Speaker 1: Seen, so I'm here. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He was so proud, and I think it was so
Speaker 2: disappointed when I finally got to give them the call.
Speaker 2: The funniest thing though, is that I gave it. I've
Speaker 2: went out on date thirty nine and Jason's football number
Speaker 2: is thirty nine, So I just had this feeling all day.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, it was like a sense of
Speaker 2: relaxed feeling. I don't know, but it was also like
Speaker 2: a h I think something it feels on numbers have
Speaker 2: always been a big thing for me, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I think I'm going out today. I can feel it.
Speaker 1: Writing was on the wall. Yet, So with the way
Speaker 1: the universe will tell us these things before we go,
Speaker 1: I just want to because we're talking about this week,
Speaker 1: were you shocked with Kristen's elimination next and can you
Speaker 1: can you give me your thoughts on the fact that
Speaker 1: she said that she changed her gameplay and maybe that's
Speaker 1: the reason why she came out, Like, what's your thoughts
Speaker 1: on her exit?
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, Look, we weren't shocked that Kristin was coming
Speaker 2: out next. We all chatted it in the Jury Villain.
Speaker 2: We're like, what's going to happen? And I was like,
Speaker 2: what I said is going to happen. It's going to
Speaker 2: go one two three. So, I mean, Kristin is the
Speaker 2: very first one to come out, and I'm hopeful that
Speaker 2: the girls can do something about it and change that
Speaker 2: sort of knockout of the one two three. But yeah,
Speaker 2: Kristin did ruin her game a bit by not just
Speaker 2: sticking with a side and not She was upset when
Speaker 2: I had to play my idol and I came back
Speaker 2: and we had a chat, and she had really hurted
Speaker 2: me because I was close. I had protected her so
Speaker 2: much on Bawn. She was a name that was coming up,
Speaker 2: and I had protected the hell out of her because
Speaker 2: I wanted to work with her EMPD, so I'd protected
Speaker 2: her and she knew about my idol. I had told
Speaker 2: her in confidence about my idol, and she just didn't
Speaker 2: want to get her hands dirty a lot of the time.
Speaker 2: I think she wanted to just blend in until she
Speaker 2: didn't need to or she couldn't anymore. And that really
Speaker 2: affected her game because when I came back and she
Speaker 2: didn't tell me about to play my idol, she was
Speaker 2: worried about the repercussions on her and I was like, Babe,
Speaker 2: all you need to do is just whisper and say
Speaker 2: play You're ade of tonight. I'm still voting for you.
Speaker 2: It's fine, just play your idle, be safe. Just exactly
Speaker 2: what Karen did. No one had to know, but she
Speaker 2: just wanted to play the middle a lot of the time,
Speaker 2: and she didn't pick aside strongly. And I mean, when
Speaker 2: you're out there, you have to stand ten toes down
Speaker 2: on your alians. You can't flip flop. And I think
Speaker 2: that's what really killed her game in the end, because
Speaker 2: she just looked like she wasn't able to be trusted
Speaker 2: by anyone out there at that time. So she was
Speaker 2: an easy one to go unfortunately for the next one.
Speaker 2: And I'm sad because I love her. She's a sweet
Speaker 2: little angel and her soul is very pure for.
Speaker 1: This game, probably a little bit too pure. But I
Speaker 1: did like her exit interview. She was like, very humble
Speaker 1: about it. She was like, oh, well, you know, she's
Speaker 1: a great person.
Speaker 2: Kristin is honestly just a saint. So hopefully we see
Speaker 2: her on the summit. That would be great for her.
Speaker 2: I think that's more her show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she'd be able to go to the Mountain.
Speaker 1: For Fisher, I think that show has been canceled. I'm
Speaker 1: only joking. What I want to ask you is there's
Speaker 1: a lot of discussion about getting on the jury, and
Speaker 1: I finished the podcast every time with this one question,
Speaker 1: what is something from behind the scenes? This question kept
Speaker 1: coming up from fans. There seems to be a lot
Speaker 1: of eagerness to be a part of the jury, and like,
Speaker 1: what an honor to be a part of it. But
Speaker 1: can you turn it down? Can you get out of
Speaker 1: the show and be like, no, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be on the jury. I kept finding that question throughout
Speaker 1: all of the depths of the internet.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm not sure. I don't know why
Speaker 2: you wouldn't want to be on the jury. If you've
Speaker 2: made it that far in the game, it's pretty it's
Speaker 2: pretty impressive, and I mean it's a front row seat
Speaker 2: to your favorite show, so it is the most exciting
Speaker 2: thing to be on the jury. I would never dream
Speaker 2: of turning it down. I don't know if it's possible.
Speaker 2: I should probably read her from my contract.
Speaker 1: Someone turns it down, do they go back down the
Speaker 1: list and get the person who just missed out on
Speaker 1: the jury? That's what I when people were discussing that,
Speaker 1: I was thinking, Oh my god, if someone turned down,
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: Think that would be possible because I mean, the person
Speaker 2: that was left pre jury is already on a flight
Speaker 2: home and they've already missed seeing that happened. So I
Speaker 2: think that if anyone ever did decide to leave that
Speaker 2: it would just it would just have to continue. You'd
Speaker 2: have to be one. Do you remembered down? But I
Speaker 2: don't think that they'd be able to bring someone back
Speaker 2: in because it wouldn't be fair to the game.
Speaker 1: Well, I think you've answered some questions right there. For
Speaker 1: people on Reddit, there was and my only advice here
Speaker 1: is don't read the comments on Reddit.
Speaker 2: My gosh, I'm like this on Reddit. I'm like that
Speaker 2: one's nice. I was like, oh, they mean that one's nice. Oh,
Speaker 2: that one's mean.
Speaker 1: All mean, it's all mean. That's what it used to
Speaker 1: be with Twitter. I just want to say thank you
Speaker 1: so much for being so generous and chatting with me
Speaker 1: today and unpacking your experience on the show. You are
Speaker 1: somebody that I think when people think of this season,
Speaker 1: they will think of straight away, which is a great
Speaker 1: ackle late to have. You want people to that's me.
Speaker 2: That's so hot.
Speaker 1: That's hot, that's so hot. We love that comparas impersonation
Speaker 1: in your pajamas band. It is embarrassing. Enjoyed chatting to
Speaker 1: the media and have such a great time with this. Yes,
Speaker 1: so thank you, Thank.
Speaker 2: You so much. Been lovely to chat with you.
Speaker 1: Ben, lovely to chat all right, I'll let you go.
Speaker 2: Thank you byee bye.
Speaker 1: Thanks, thanks, oh thanks be oh see you mate,