WEBVTT - LOGAN - AUSTRALIAN SURVIVOR - BONUS WEEK 7- NETWORK 10 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:01.680 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:05.920 TV Relogan podcast last week. They're wight. Hey guys, welcome 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:07.920 back to TV Reload. I want to thank you for 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:11.119 clicking and downloading on today's episode, and I'm excited to 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:14.360 bring you my chat with Logan, who absolutely earned this 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:18.840 opportunity to unpack her experience at Australian Survivor Brains versus 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:21.320 Braun too. Logan made it all the way to week 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:23.120 seven and what has to be one of the most 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:27.840 unpredictable seasons I can remember. Now Miles managed to throw 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:31.920 some shade calling Logan an emotional player, but today we're 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:35.600 digging into weather. There's a difference between being an emotional 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:39.560 person and an emotional Survivor player. Let's just say it's 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:42.640 not as black and white as it seems. We will 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:45.120 also get into the fan theory that there was too 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:48.279 many conversations about going to Rocks and whether or not 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:51.760 that was actually a coincidence. Logan's going to also open 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:54.800 up about watching back her own demise this week, what 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:58.040 was really going through her mind and why it brought 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:01.840 her to tears. It's raw, it's honest, and definitely one 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:04.840 for the fans. Plus, Logan will spill the tea on 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:07.920 who she thinks is a completely different person in real life, 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:11.640 the audience reaction to her sassy gameplay, and whether her 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.640 time as a Wag in the Wag world actually gave 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:17.600 her an edge in the game. Ohen. Of course, we 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:20.319 will get into the collapse of the original alliance with 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:24.039 the Coven, and Logan gives her simple explanation on why 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:27.520 that fell apart. There is actually a lot to unpack, 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:29.399 and you know there's going to be some behind the 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:32.800 scenes gold. So sit back, relax, and let's dive into 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:36.920 the world of Australian Survivor, which returns this Sunday and 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:42.160 Monday night. Very excited to be talking to you about 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:45.679 this show. You kind of had like a very emotional 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:49.240 ride with Survivor. What was it like for you in 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:51.400 comparison to what you thought you were signing up for. 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:55.000 Look, honestly, I am just an emotional person. I was 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:57.960 an emotional player out there. I think people are getting 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:01.040 that really confused. I wear my heart on my sleeve 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:04.600 and I give my emotions to everything. I give them 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:06.880 all to my friendships, my alliances, and I think people 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:10.000 really confuse that with gameplay. I did not did not 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:12.320 vote emotionally once. If you go back through my track 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:14.560 record of voting, I'm on the right side of most 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:17.520 of the votes until the end, and I voted strategically. 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:20.720 But it is hard. You go out there and everyone thinks, 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.200 like when they're watching, like, oh, just be a game bot, 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:26.760 like turn your emotions off. But we are playing a 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:30.080 game with human lives. We're not chess pieces. Unfortunately, we 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:32.440 do have emotion. So when you're playing a human game 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:35.440 like that, when you're tired, you're stressed, you're delusional, half 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:38.360 the time, emotions come out and that's okay. It's a 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:40.800 human game, so it's a massive part of the game. 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:42.560 And I think to be torn apart because I have 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:43.880 emotions is really unfair. 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:46.480 Well, someone threw that out there. Who was that? There 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:48.200 was someone who said that through the season. 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:51.120 And they were like Miles. Miles definitely called me an 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.799 emotional player, But Miles is more of an emotion less player. 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:56.560 So I think we're on two opposite ends of the 0:02:56.600 --> 0:03:01.000 spectrum there. Also, I've got mad Adhd and emotions is 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.920 something that I really struggle with. Impulse control and controlling 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:05.880 my emotions has always been something that was tough and 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:08.600 chucking the elements of Survivor and you've got twenty four 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.600 extroverted cast members. It is a lot to handle. So 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:13.600 I mean I could have blown off the handle way 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:16.880 more than I did, and I really really reined it 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:19.280 in a lot. It's a human game, so I mean, 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:20.400 cut people some slack. 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:22.440 How did you get on this show though, Like I 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:24.480 kind of imagine you wanting to apply for it? 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:26.720 Yeah. So I've been a fan of the show since 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.040 I was about seven, so it was my favorite thing 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:30.960 to watch with my dad. It was one of our 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.120 things that we did my brothers and sisters and I 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:35.080 would sit up all night watching and my mum would 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:37.880 send us off to bed at bedtime right before travel council, 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:39.520 and I remember sitting in the hallway and trying to 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:42.240 sneak a peak of tribal Council. So it's always been 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:45.640 a part of my life. I've watched every season and 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:48.800 my family is very big into games and competitive games, 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:50.680 and we do a lot of them based on Survivor things. 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:53.200 So we have a family challenge every year where our 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:56.000 were split into our teams, and we've been playing games 0:03:56.080 --> 0:04:00.080 my entire life, so I applied originally for twenty seven. 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:01.840 I want to say I think it was that year, 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:03.920 and I've been in chats with the producers sort of 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:06.200 on and off since I went until I went on 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:07.240 this year or last year. 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:09.480 Sorry, I'm going to say, so, how you were twelve 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:10.240 when you applied? 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.520 I was nineteen or twenty I think when I first applied. 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:15.160 And what did they say to you? For what? Not 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:17.320 putting you on? Because, like, to forgive me for saying this, 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.520 but you're sort of born to be in a competition 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:22.760 like this, Like you know, you've got a degree for it, 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:25.080 you have a passion for the show personally. 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:27.920 Yeah, I mean I think when I first chatted to them, 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:31.160 I got really really far in the process, and they 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:32.840 called me up the next year and sort of were 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:35.599 asking around of are you still interested and blah blah, 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:37.560 And I was actually pregnant at the time, so I 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:39.440 had to sort of say, yeah, I am, keep me 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:41.400 on the keep me on the roster, but not at 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:44.800 this stage. But I'm actually really I'm really glad I 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:48.159 didn't get on. I think I knew myself to a 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:51.760 point when I'm nineteen twenty, but I didn't have any kids. 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:53.800 I wasn't married yet, and by the time that I've 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:55.880 got on this time, I have my life kind of 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:58.800 figured out. I know who I am. I'm very comfortable 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:02.360 with myself, very self aware. I know I'm emotional and 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:04.919 I use that in the best ways sometimes. And I 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:06.480 think if I went out there, I probably would have 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:09.320 self employed at twenty years old. So I'm really glad 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:10.800 it didn't happen for me the first time. 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:12.720 Collect Your Stories is what I say. 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.040 I think I was trying to prove something to myself 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:18.120 at twenty or trying to be someone I wasn't, and 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:20.120 I think, yeah, by the time I got on, I 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:21.680 was like, I've got nothing to prove to I'm not 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:23.880 doing this for anybody other than myself. I need a 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:27.160 damn break. I've been raising kids like I'm twenty eight, 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:29.480 and I feel like I'm seventy five right now, Like 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:31.279 I need a break. I need to go do something 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:33.680 that's finally for me. I put a massive stop on 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:36.200 my career and you need to have kids young with 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:38.960 my husband, and I just like, it is the time 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.640 for me to do something for myself. So glad it 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:44.080 didn't happen. The first few times I did have a 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:46.960 few chats with producers across the years. Obviously the second 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:49.080 time I was pregnant. The third time I chatted with them, 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.960 they wanted my husband to come on for blood versus Water, 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:54.160 and he was in the middle of forty so that 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:55.839 didn't happen. And then I just left it for a 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:59.600 while until the universe called me and I picked up 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:01.240 and I was like, you know what it's happening this year, 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.360 I'm going to put myself out there and I'm going 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:03.760 to twit it. 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:06.279 And it worked, and it worked, and you did well. 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:08.320 You did very well to get so far into the competition. 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:10.599 We're very close to the end at this point. The 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:12.839 thing that I wanted to talk to about the most 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:17.640 when I saw your introduction was did socializing with wags 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.480 truly help you in the game of Survivor? Because I 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:24.160 thought that was positioned really well for your backstory. 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:27.560 Yeah, I mean absolutely. The football world is crazy, so 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:30.040 you have people come in and out the door constantly. 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:33.280 You have to position yourself within the group, and you 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:35.760 have to know who's in charge and who to talk 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:38.080 to and how to get yourself in certain places. I 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.920 think also, if you remember back in twenty twenty when 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.880 COVID hit, we all had to go into hubs in 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:46.600 the football world, so I was living in a hotel 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:49.960 for three months, raising a nine month old daughter with 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:52.720 a bunch of girls that I had barely met, and 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:55.280 I had to be around them every day and it 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:58.400 was insane. The social dynamics of that was like being 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:00.880 on school camp and with a bunch of people that 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:03.479 you didn't know, and it was really challenging. So I 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:05.359 think that really set me up as well to be 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:08.880 in an environment where I wasn't comfortable, I didn't like 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:11.400 some of the people, and I still had to manage 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:13.640 my way through that. So being a part of the 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:17.160 football world it has definitely helped me in making my 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:19.480 social connections and being able to fake it till I 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:19.880 make it. 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:22.520 I went to the football. You could probably tell from 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:24.440 just looking at me I'm not a big football person. 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:27.000 But anyway, I went to the football on Saturday night 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:30.520 with my youngest sister. She's fourteen years younger than me, 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:34.160 and she is dating a famous football as son who 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:38.679 now plays football, so she's a wag now ultimately slave. Yeah, 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.840 but I kept thinking about you that night. I kept 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.400 thinking about you. I kept watching the ways in which 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:48.640 the other football wives interacted with my sister, and the 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.640 way in which people put sort of a sense of 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:55.840 importance on your partner because they are playing this game. 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:59.480 There's sort of an unusual dynamic that gets created. But 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:02.560 when I kept thinking about you, I kept thinking, Logan's 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:07.000 really had to look deep into people's personalities every time 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:10.480 she meets them. Are they being genuine? Are they being honest? 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:12.560 What is it that they want from me? And that's 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:14.920 what I was thinking. Must be good for the game 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:16.520 of survivor, because you're going to meet a lot of 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:18.480 people in there that are going to give you the ick, 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.400 and I'm going to try and sell you something that 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:22.680 you don't want to buy. 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:27.400 Absolutely, I mean, you're absolutely right. That is the AFL world. 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:29.600 It's a revolving door of people coming in and out. 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.120 There is a lot of people that are not genuine. 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:34.280 And I think I've been a part of the world 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:36.560 for about nine years now and it's pretty easy for 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.040 me to spot. The thing is you kill you kill 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.040 everyone with kindness. That's the way that I go about 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:43.520 the football world is you just credit in your face 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:45.839 and you're lovely to everyone. There are people that most 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.160 of the time. I think now in my actual football group, 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:51.640 I do genuinely adore everyone, but they've also been around 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.080 for a very long time. But I think very early days, 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:57.680 it was difficult to navigate that and know that people 0:08:57.679 --> 0:08:59.200 don't know if you're going to stick around, So they 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:00.840 don't know if they're going to bother talking to you 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:02.760 because they're like, oh, you could get dumped by your 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:04.720 boyfriend next week, so why would we make an effort 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:07.120 to be friends with you. So it is a bigger 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:08.839 part of that world has kind of set me up 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:12.600 for success in Survivor, and I think that particular reason 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:14.640 was why I didn't get along with Aj at the start, 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:17.240 because I just saw through what he was doing. I 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:20.000 was like, you have said the same sentence to every 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:22.160 single person on this camp on day one. You have 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:24.320 a beautiful smile and I love your vibe. And I 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:26.000 was like, hang on, hang on, hang on, if you 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:29.120 said that there every single person, how can you mean that? Doll? Like, 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:34.160 I don't believe you, So I think rare, what's going on? Yeah, 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:35.960 this is nothing against Aj. I adore him as a 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.320 person outside of the game, where Bestie's I think most 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:40.520 of the cast outside of the game, we're all really 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:42.760 really great friends. But inside the game, I was like, 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:45.240 you are playing everyone here and I can see that, 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:47.320 So I'm not loving that, and I think that's what 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:49.360 kind of turned him against me at the start. And 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:51.440 he put a target on my back on day five 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:53.800 and he was able to finally hit it on day 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:54.480 thirty nine. 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:56.480 Well, it's a good question to ask you about the 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:59.320 way in which you trust your instincts. Were you correct? 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:01.040 Like did you? Because I mean, this is what happens 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:02.880 when you go on these shows. You spend time with 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:05.680 people in the in the bubble that gets created. Were 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:09.200 people different away from the cameras after the show had finished. 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:12.200 No, I wouldn't say so. I mean I think the 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.320 person that was the most different was Aj, because Aj 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:17.800 the whole time was playing. I think everything that Aj 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:21.760 did was calculated and really strategic. And by the end, 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:24.720 I mean, like where he's at now, he's at what 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:25.520 is it, top six? 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:25.800 Now? 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:30.359 You can see he is frazzled, like he he wasn't sleeping. 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:32.120 I think I woke up in the middle of the 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:34.160 night one night to go. I think it was when 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:36.560 the knowledge is power, I think, and Zara came across 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:37.840 and I was like, oh, if there was one at 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:39.559 their camp. I was like, there's a chance of one 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:41.000 at ours. And I woke up in the middle of 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:42.199 the night and I was like, I can't sleep unless 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:43.719 I go check. And I wake up and I get 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:45.320 up and I walk back and as she's just standing 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:47.040 there like a shadowing camp, and I was like, bro, 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.800 do you ever sleep? Like, come on, he stopped eating, 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:53.000 He wasn't sleeping. You could just see even in the 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:56.600 last episode with Kristen where Miles are saying, let's keep 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:59.000 it simple, stupid and AG's like, there's this big plan, 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:01.240 you can do it, and I'm like, AJ dlling just 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:04.440 calm down. So out of everyone, I think AJ is 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:06.800 definitely the most different outside of the game. Miles is 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:08.800 straight up and down. What you see out there you get. 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:11.480 He's just a chatterbox who's just like this, this is 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:13.480 what I'm thinking, this is the way it's going to go. 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:15.719 And I'm like, cool, Miles, love you. Everyone out there 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:18.200 was pretty much the same, but AJ the whole time 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:20.480 was switched on in game mode, and it is really 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.520 nice to meet AJ outside of the game and say hi, 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:26.120 I'm Logan. This is a which aj Am I getting 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.319 Is this the real one? So the real aj is 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:30.280 a beautiful person and I really do it or him. 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:32.720 It's interesting to see that this season of the show, 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:34.760 there's more women left in this show. You know, the 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:38.640 alpha males have been exterminated. I wonder whether or not, 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:42.959 if Zen had not had been hurt, what that might 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:45.199 have done to the game. I mean, what's your How 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.360 do you unpack the fact that the women have done 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:48.240 so well this season. 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:52.640 It is a strategy game, and I think the women 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:56.559 notice this. At the beginning, we had really strong women 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:59.320 on the Brains tribe, and we're big thinkers. I mean, 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:01.840 we're on the brain for a reason, and we know 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:04.720 the way that reality shows go. It shows go, especially 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:07.400 strategical games, they do like to pick off women at 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.680 the start. It's just it happens. And we saw that 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:13.640 with a Candy vote. I think what was not shown 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:16.600 was that very very very first challenge when we're kind 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.000 of whack the key off the spiral and it gets 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:22.440 stuck in it's whole mess. Candy had gone up on 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:24.640 the shoulders of everyone and she was trying to whack 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:26.240 it off and she said, guys, I can't hit it, 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:28.880 I can't hold up the branch, and that sent her home. 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:32.360 So when they were splitting off of Nash, I chatted 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:34.720 to a few people on the Broad tribe about why 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:36.959 was Candy the first vote, like I didn't get to 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:38.800 meet her. I'm so sad she's not there, And they 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:40.520 said yeah, I mean they just said, she just said 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:42.439 she wasn't strong enough. And I think in a brown 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:45.680 dominated tribe, if you say you're not strong, you're gone. 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:48.360 So it was really really disappointing to see that happen, 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:50.920 and I think that's really encouraged the women on our 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:53.839 tribe to say we are sticking strong as women, refuse 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.440 to be sending home women. And then Indy kind of 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:58.360 mess it up at the very first vote because we 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:00.000 weren't gone for Indy, it's not happening. 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:01.880 She really needed to put her foot in it for 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:02.960 that though, which I put in. 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:04.959 It unfortunately, which stucked because I do want to work 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:07.480 with Indy, and especially we didn't want a woman, nor 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:09.240 a person of color going home first. It was really 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:11.680 important to our values as women that that's not what 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:13.760 that was not going to happen. Unfortunately, she did put 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:15.079 her foot in it, and we didn't really have any 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:17.040 other choice because she was going to blow off our plans. 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:20.439 So I think the women are proving that we can 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.280 play strategically. I think the thing that sucks the most 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:27.079 is that because we I especially am emotional, everyone's like, oh, 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:28.720 she doesn't know how to play the game. What is 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:30.760 she doing? She's just crying and winging, And I'm like, bro, 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:33.120 AJ has a little cry on a rock and you're like, oh, 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:35.679 poor a J. Paulie's crying. You're like poor Paulli Logan 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:37.560 cries and You're like, oh, that dumb bitch, And I'm like, 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.160 come on. The double standards for men and women on 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:41.840 TV shows is absolutely insane. 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:44.560 Surprised at how much the men cry on reality shows? 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:47.600 Do you know what tin fairness? Everyone cried, I can 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:51.720 tell you without a doubt, everyone cried out there. Mine 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:54.400 just was public. So I think when I first got 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:56.959 to Merge, I think Kate had said, oh, don't worry, babies, 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:58.400 I've cried every single day out here. I was like, 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.120 you've cried every day and she's like, yeah, every day 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:02.719 was fair enough. Actually, it's tough out here. 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:05.760 It's tough. It is really tough out there. What really 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:08.680 bothered me was that I know people that make this show, 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:10.599 so I'd heard a bit about the Coven, so I 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:12.680 was really excited, like I was about to watch American 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:15.520 horror story Coven seision, and yeah, this is going to 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:18.480 be great. It didn't get utilized as well as it 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:19.600 should have, like. 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:21.840 It turned more into a horror story. 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:26.680 It turned into a horror story, exactly right. You think 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:30.520 was the biggest problem in trying to utilize the Coven 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:33.480 as a strategic team that should have worked. 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:37.080 So the wheels came off because none of us were 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:40.440 completely willing all the time to sit in the backseat. 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:42.960 We all wanted to drive, and I think, I mean 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:45.000 there was definitely most of the time I did give 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:46.600 in and I let them take the wheel, but I 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.040 would ask in return, Hey, if I'm letting you take 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:52.040 control of this, I need to feel like I've been supported, 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:53.720 and the next time I want to go over this, 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.760 I need your support. And I think what really put 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.920 a knife in the Coven was the graduates when Laura 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.960 wasn't very willing to vote off Rich and Zara hated 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:05.880 that and she wanted to turn to someone else who 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:08.400 she thought she can control or thought put more of 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:11.120 her trust in and I think that ended the coven really. 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:13.360 I mean, I mean we've got to merge right now. 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.080 We've got three out of four of us sitting on 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.560 the Drew bench, so we got ourselves far enough. I 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.080 just don't think we were built to last, which is fine, 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:23.640 but we've made some amazing friendships through it, and I'm 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:25.320 really glad that I get to take away that from this. 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:28.120 You really didn't want to go to Rocks, you know, 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.160 and that was something that everyone debated a lot. Well, 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:34.000 I guess the most common question I saw was how 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:38.560 is it possible that everyone discussed rocks so predominantly throughout 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:41.520 that episode when an actual fact that really shouldn't have 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:44.520 been revealed or even it's such a strange anomaly for 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:47.760 this show, right, Yeah, so topical it was on. It 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:50.200 was so much on people's minds. Can you speak to 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:53.160 the reason why there was so much conversation about rocks? 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:54.840 And that's kind of where we ended up. 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:58.320 Yeah, So I think coming back into camp that day, 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.920 this split was so obvious. It was very clear. I mean, 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.680 Caitlin is the easiest person to pick up when he's lying, 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:06.120 and I went to chat with him and he wouldn't 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:07.720 look he'd look this way in this way, and he's like, yeah, 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:09.720 I don't know. And he said the same thing to Christian. 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:11.760 We had just worked together on this vote, and we 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:13.600 had tried to form an alliance. And as soon as 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:15.560 we've been away for twenty four hours and you're saying 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:18.120 you don't know the vote. It was so clear a 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:20.960 Jo and Miles were doing their thing. Zara is brought in. 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:23.160 Zara didn't want to talk to me, and I was like, Okay, 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:25.480 this is a four four. I'm a big Spove fan. 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:28.120 I know exactly what that means. This is going to rock. 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:32.080 So everyone knew that. I think also there's just the 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:35.960 element that the boys loved that idea as well. So 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:37.640 I think they were hyping it up and they really 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.880 wanted it to happen just because they love chaos. They 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:43.560 I think both like Miles was at a point probably 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:46.280 at that stage where he was like, if I go out, 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:47.680 I go out, But I just want to have fun 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:49.600 with this game, Like he really wanted to have fun. 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:51.680 I think probably where they're at now top six is 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:54.000 where they're starting to probably rain in their moves. I 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:57.560 think they before that they both are thinking, well, if 0:16:57.600 --> 0:16:59.240 I'm just out here, I'm going to have fun with it. 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:01.200 But now I think they're probably they're probably going to 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:04.679 switch their mindsets and start playing a bit smarter, or 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:07.640 not smarter, but less chaotic. But the whole Rock situation 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:10.280 was really funny because Kate and Morgan and Kristen had 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:11.119 no idea what it was. 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.400 They didn't know what it was, okay, So. 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:17.359 I deliberately did not tell them what Rocks was because 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:19.240 I'd just gotten on them on my side, and I 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:21.359