Speaker 1: Hey, legends, Welcome back to the Mason Cock Show. Now
Speaker 1: plenty happening this week in Sport. We've got the rock rules.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna explain what the heck they are because I
Speaker 1: think it's a bit of confusion around that. Richmond's got
Speaker 1: a bit of injury trouble at the moment. There's celebrations
Speaker 1: all over Sport a bit too early, maybe a bit
Speaker 1: too much. And what happened in Brisbane over the weekend.
Speaker 1: It's all covered starting now, all right, without further ado,
Speaker 1: we will get into it.
Speaker 2: Welcome Brandon.
Speaker 3: I'm fresh this morning. We got a morning record. We
Speaker 3: don't normally do morning records, but I'm up and about
Speaker 3: if my voice is a bit Raspberry Queen was on
Speaker 3: the radio on the drive in, so I was belting
Speaker 3: that one out. Now let's jump straight into our clanger
Speaker 3: of the week.
Speaker 2: Yes, one of the favorite segments.
Speaker 3: Now Warren tread ray mate export captain. You think he
Speaker 3: would be all for Port supporting them get around him,
Speaker 3: But no, it came out during the weeks Ken Hinckley,
Speaker 3: surely in an untenable position as coach of the Port
Speaker 3: Adelaide Football Club. Well, Kenny just shoved it right up
Speaker 3: him because he came out and got the win. It
Speaker 3: doesn't matter that it was right on the death. He
Speaker 3: got the win against Sydney in Sydney, that's a massive win.
Speaker 3: And Kenny's always just fighting for his life, Like I
Speaker 3: feel so rough for him. And it's never normally people
Speaker 3: are coming for your head outside of the club, but
Speaker 3: Kenny's just batting them off left, right and center inside
Speaker 3: the club, inside the four walls. Export this export, that
Speaker 3: president and this president that get off his back. Bloke's
Speaker 3: just trying to coach your team. That's my claim.
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of Ken.
Speaker 1: Now Ken he seems to just always fight back whenever
Speaker 1: people kind of try to put him down. He's the
Speaker 1: face of the port Allelloided Football Club. He's been there
Speaker 1: for years. He's he's helped that team reach very much
Speaker 1: a successful era. I guess some why they haven't won
Speaker 1: the premiership obviously, but I think they've been a team
Speaker 1: that's always looked at the calendar as someone you're not
Speaker 1: going to take lightly, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I always feel it's weird, like externals are like,
Speaker 3: come on, Kenny, you can do it, and internals are
Speaker 3: like come on, you gotta win the flag otherwise get
Speaker 3: out of here. It's so bizarre, but normally it's the
Speaker 3: other way around. But what's your clanger of the week.
Speaker 1: I've got I've actually got a little voice recording, Brandon
Speaker 1: little voice recording from the weekend. So to pre empt this, right,
Speaker 1: I was up in Brisbane at the game and the
Speaker 1: a f L for some reason doesn't separate players and fans,
Speaker 1: like if you go sit in the in the stance, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm general admission at this point, right, So you go
Speaker 1: in there, you sit there, anyone will sit next to you, right,
Speaker 1: And there's a few seats empty next to me, and
Speaker 1: I can almost guarantee you this guy did not did
Speaker 1: not have tickets to that seat just side to measle
Speaker 1: on down there sitting next to me and just chew
Speaker 1: my ear off for about three quarters of this game.
Speaker 1: He left in the fourth quarter. So but here's exactly
Speaker 1: what I had to deal with for three quarters. Now,
Speaker 1: hang in there, because there's a little bit of a little.
Speaker 4: Bit of a recording, Philly, you would have the.
Speaker 3: Ship.
Speaker 1: Now that was literally a very small snippet of a
Speaker 1: long time of hearing that in my ear, and it
Speaker 1: wasn't just me, it was everyone around me too. And
Speaker 1: this man, oh my gosh, would not He was after
Speaker 1: the umpires, absolutely after it. He had smoked I think
Speaker 1: three packs of cigarettes during the game. It was just
Speaker 1: he almost spilt a beer on me at one point
Speaker 1: because he was like just upset at some calling umpire had.
Speaker 1: It was a rough three quarters, not only for the
Speaker 1: full college football club, but also me in the stands
Speaker 1: having to watch.
Speaker 3: I would have loved to have seen you just matched
Speaker 3: the energy, just what the hell umpire that has got
Speaker 3: him around the neck can get along up the guts.
Speaker 2: Top the guts.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'll ever be that kind of supporter,
Speaker 1: but that man, I've had that many tattoos, that much
Speaker 1: missing teeth, and plenty of beers. He drained through the
Speaker 1: whole game, and he probably enjoyed it. He probably had
Speaker 1: a great time. Everyone around him did not have such
Speaker 1: a great time with him there.
Speaker 3: I'll say that it doesn't sound like he knew much,
Speaker 3: like he knows the basics about what he's angry at.
Speaker 3: But like Billy Frampton, what's he doing in the ruck?
Speaker 1: This guy's standing next to you actually is injured also,
Speaker 1: and that's why he's in the rock like.
Speaker 3: That's the guy, he's the rockman. He's sitting in the stands.
Speaker 1: Well. Speaking of ruckman, we'll go to the next one.
Speaker 1: We had the Geelong Hawthorne game of the weekend and
Speaker 1: there was some controversy that came out of this one.
Speaker 3: This was big and I want to get your comments
Speaker 3: on it, because you are a ruckman, but not only that,
Speaker 3: I've seen you do this exact thing so many times.
Speaker 3: So obviously Chris Scott comes out defends his man because
Speaker 3: this has happened twice to Geelong ruckman's but this time
Speaker 3: it was Blitzers going up to contest the ruck and
Speaker 3: gets need in I guess like the stomach the rib area,
Speaker 3: and goes down injured and he gets a free kick
Speaker 3: and they pay advantage and they go on. Anyway, Chriscott
Speaker 3: gets asked to address it at the end of the
Speaker 3: game and he says, just stop doing it. You're not
Speaker 3: allowed to do it. It shouldn't be part of the game.
Speaker 3: Just stop doing it. What are your thoughts on there?
Speaker 1: I respect Chris, I respect his opinion, but that nothing
Speaker 1: comes good after that. I think that's good. If you're
Speaker 1: in the center bounce, you get a knee to the
Speaker 1: rim and you still get your hands to the ball
Speaker 1: play on. That's the way I've always been told a
Speaker 1: lot of times as ruckman. It's almost what can I
Speaker 1: get away with more than rather oh I'm gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: do this and get the ball. It's like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: find maybe just get a little bit earlier contact, right.
Speaker 1: So a lot of times you see a ball thrown
Speaker 1: in and before the ball even actually leaves the umpire's
Speaker 1: hand from the boundary, that ruckman already contact in contact,
Speaker 1: engaging within two meters. So there's a lot of just okay, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna put the pressure on you umpire
Speaker 1: to essentially make a call here, and if you don't,
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep doing this the rest of the game.
Speaker 1: And a lot of a lot of umpires just let
Speaker 1: it go. Like I couldn't tell you last time I
Speaker 1: heard early contact from an umpire.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever heard about my career.
Speaker 1: But there's things like even in center bounces where ruckman
Speaker 1: step outside of the center circle before they go. Almost
Speaker 1: every single ruckman does it, but I've never seen a
Speaker 1: free kick from it, and there's little things like that.
Speaker 1: The umpires just like oh, because they want the game
Speaker 1: to play on. That's the way the AFL rules. But
Speaker 1: this whole knee into someone like you have to be
Speaker 1: able to find a way around it, right, So if
Speaker 1: you look at the vision, Mark actually just tries to
Speaker 1: look at him.
Speaker 2: He doesn't even look at the ball. He doesn't even
Speaker 2: look at the ball.
Speaker 1: He looks at the Hawthorn player and tries to go
Speaker 1: body him, and the Hawthorne player, probably thinking he's going
Speaker 1: to go and jump into him, puts his knee up,
Speaker 1: probably to protect him, but also try to match his
Speaker 1: energy coming towards him to offset it. And Mark's just
Speaker 1: coughed one in the ribs. He didn't put his knee
Speaker 1: up to protect himself. Mark's not a he's not a rockman.
Speaker 1: I love the guy, but he's not a ruckman. He's
Speaker 1: not tol with you, rockman. He's a great player, don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong, but I'll remember I played him. He
Speaker 1: asked me if he asked the umpire in the center
Speaker 1: bounce in the middle of a game, if you could
Speaker 1: go inside the circle inside the center circle, Yeah, asked
Speaker 1: for ruling in a game before center bouts about halfway
Speaker 1: through the game. So I don't get me wrong, big
Speaker 1: fan of Mark big slives, hey, big fan the forty
Speaker 1: six over there a too long. But I think with
Speaker 1: Ree Stanley out there's same thing as us. We're trying
Speaker 1: to fill a role. And unfortunately, sometimes if you're nine
Speaker 1: hundred scent sure where you can get away with and
Speaker 1: what you can in the ck can't in the rock,
Speaker 1: You're gonna be opened up for an injury, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I feel like, yeah, there's a few things
Speaker 3: around that as well, like if both if Mark was
Speaker 3: looking up like going to the cups and knee like,
Speaker 3: maybe that's something different. But what when you are in
Speaker 3: the ruck, what's what's your order that you go in?
Speaker 3: So you look at the player first, then the ball,
Speaker 3: you go the ball first, always over the player.
Speaker 2: It depends on who you're playing.
Speaker 1: So if Mark's coming across early like that, like I'm
Speaker 1: probably realizing that he's trying to take my space. So
Speaker 1: either I'm going to make him learn a lesson by
Speaker 1: sticking knee into him, He's gonna essentially be blocking me
Speaker 1: from being able to get to the ball, and I
Speaker 1: look like I'm jumping or you try to essentially swim
Speaker 1: move him, try to get around him, get to the
Speaker 1: ball draft because Mark's not looking at where the ball's falling.
Speaker 1: Mark's looking straight at the player and he's trying to
Speaker 1: engage with them early and then he'll go find the
Speaker 1: ball after. And to me, that should be a free
Speaker 1: kick or we allow that because he's sitting there not
Speaker 1: worried about the actual contest. He's trying to engage with
Speaker 1: the player and then go find the ball later. Now,
Speaker 1: people like Toby nan Curvis has been doing that for years,
Speaker 1: like he comes across hard with a knee, and a
Speaker 1: lot of other players do also. I think Toby's the
Speaker 1: best at it, to be honest, but a lot of
Speaker 1: players do it. No one's ever really had a problem
Speaker 1: with it until now because there's a person who's not
Speaker 1: a true rockman probably in that situation, who's a leader
Speaker 1: of their team they need in the team at the moment,
Speaker 1: and he's afraid that he gets injured. They're going to
Speaker 1: lose someone that's valuable in their lineup.
Speaker 3: And there's a coach shedding light on it. Do you
Speaker 3: think it should have been a free kick in that instance?
Speaker 3: To Blitzers, because he got one.
Speaker 1: I don't think it should have been because he got
Speaker 1: his hands to the ball. He actually got the hit out,
Speaker 1: like it was. I think it was Meek. I want
Speaker 1: to say it was in there with him. I want
Speaker 1: to say it was he actually got the hit out.
Speaker 1: So Mark came across too early trying to make contact.
Speaker 1: Meek said, Okay, well, I'm just gonna stick my knee up,
Speaker 1: protecting himself because you got to think the ball falls
Speaker 1: back on your head. You put your knee up because
Speaker 1: if someone's trying to jump on you to get the ball,
Speaker 1: that's the only way to really protect yourself if the
Speaker 1: ball's falling over your head because the umpires can't send
Speaker 1: or bounce it. So to me, if you sit there
Speaker 1: and say, oh, we're not allowed to put our knees
Speaker 1: up anymore, then like, what's the point of the rock contest.
Speaker 2: We might as well just have a ball up in the.
Speaker 3: Middle of it, like a jump ball in basketball.
Speaker 2: Essentially, that's what's going to turn into.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what the reaction is
Speaker 3: out of this if we see more free kicks paid,
Speaker 3: because you do see a lot of ruckmen running in
Speaker 3: with their knee up and.
Speaker 2: What's jumping with your knee. That's how it is. Protect yourself.
Speaker 1: And that's why, like, that's why they wear shinguards, like
Speaker 1: because you know that someone's going to be trying to
Speaker 1: literally injure you, which is what he was doing to
Speaker 1: Mark Bissives. And then if they're still going for the
Speaker 1: ball and getting up like you might break a rib,
Speaker 1: like I've broken ribs And I actually whenever I had
Speaker 1: my spleen do like whenever that happened, and went in
Speaker 1: and got a scan. The guy goes, oh, do you
Speaker 1: know you've broken this rib before? And I said no,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it, because yeah, you've had at least
Speaker 1: a break or a crack or something in here.
Speaker 3: Well, it was a crazy game.
Speaker 2: You can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Speaker 3: That's that's good. I would clip that one up.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: But it was a crazy game. And another crazy game
Speaker 3: from Jeremy Cameron, who I think you twenty two touches,
Speaker 3: kicked seven goals, one killed an umpire. He did it
Speaker 3: all out there. It was nuts. Like it's gonna be
Speaker 3: a weird one because I feel like he should be
Speaker 3: leading the brown Low, but there is some merit in
Speaker 3: if your team's losing games, you probably shouldn't get the three.
Speaker 3: Like I feel like you should be in the maybe
Speaker 3: in the votes if you're like right up there. But
Speaker 3: if you do a hell of a lot but your
Speaker 3: team loses, I don't see that you should be getting
Speaker 3: the three. But he's got to be.
Speaker 2: If you're kicking seven in a game, you best be
Speaker 2: getting three.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, seven goals in the game, and you're not
Speaker 1: getting three votes. Like, I don't know who's getting better,
Speaker 1: Like who's doing better than that? Maybe you've won by
Speaker 1: one hundred points and whoever's in the midfield just dominating
Speaker 1: giving it to you. But Jeremy Cameron plays all over
Speaker 1: the ground, Like this guy is the most multipurpose athlete.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's out there at the moment in
Speaker 1: the AFL, And if he's not leading the Brownlow race
Speaker 1: right now, is one of the most valuable players in
Speaker 1: the league. I seriously have no idea who And it
Speaker 1: just proves that it's a midfield or war.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's what I like, one hundred percent winning
Speaker 3: probably the MVP players vote, coaches Award, like everything. It's
Speaker 3: just the yeah, the brown line is just different. But
Speaker 3: there's no way he didn't get the votes yesterday because
Speaker 3: he's getting more goals than any forward and more touches
Speaker 3: in their midfields. Like, it's just nuts. And they would
Speaker 3: have been up shit Creek in the first half if
Speaker 3: he had not been playing. Were you about to push
Speaker 3: the panic button at about half time?
Speaker 2: Half to I looked at it.
Speaker 1: That was like, Sherily gin Along is just gonna thump
Speaker 1: hawthorn here, right, but halfway cort too them there they
Speaker 1: were up at halftime. I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: this might be panic stations for Geelong. And then of
Speaker 1: course two quarters later Gelong comes back and kicks about
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty points.
Speaker 2: So Geelong, you know.
Speaker 1: We've talked about it and a lot of people who
Speaker 1: are kind of in this situation of winning panic buttons
Speaker 1: for Geelong, and I've always been a fan of them,
Speaker 1: so I've always kind of said, don't push panic buttons.
Speaker 1: They've had a few injuries, all this kind of stuff, right,
Speaker 1: I think now this might be the one spark that
Speaker 1: gives them the momentum to keep going forward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean maybe they were a little delayed preseason
Speaker 3: everyone's talking about it, which I don't really get because
Speaker 3: the one guy that said that he was having a
Speaker 3: pretty chill preseasons coming out and having twenty two touches
Speaker 3: kicking seven.
Speaker 1: Ft maybe the keys just a smash beers left, right
Speaker 1: and center and knackers.
Speaker 3: It's ridiculous. I don't The thing that I hate about
Speaker 3: this is you get players to have a podcast, to
Speaker 3: have a voice, to have personality. All the media, all
Speaker 3: the fans are like, we want to have a voice,
Speaker 3: we want personality out of the players, and then they
Speaker 3: say they give you a little fucking breadcrumb, and then
Speaker 3: you jump on them, Oh what's that you were relaxing
Speaker 3: over the off season. You gotta do three six five
Speaker 3: play footy. Shut up, Shut up up. Now we go
Speaker 3: back to pressure because I want to I want to
Speaker 3: get your opinion on, like more on this Kenny Hinkley stuff.
Speaker 3: I feel like you went through it a bit with
Speaker 3: like Bucks. When Bucks was coaching, it was just NonStop
Speaker 3: pressure on Bucks. Every win was like you get a
Speaker 3: little release of the valve and you got to take
Speaker 3: a breath for a week and then the next week
Speaker 3: is like right on again. How hard is it not
Speaker 3: only for like I'm sure you would have seen it
Speaker 3: on the coach. Yeah, but how much is a way
Speaker 3: on the plane group and like we got to win
Speaker 3: every week to like do this for our coach or
Speaker 3: like to take the pressure off here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, I mean, we're all on it together,
Speaker 1: you know, so whenever he cops it, like we all
Speaker 1: want to back him up and for a long time
Speaker 1: because of I think not only that.
Speaker 2: He was obviously head coach.
Speaker 1: He's got that huge, you know, history with the club,
Speaker 1: and everyone expects greatness from him because he was such
Speaker 1: a great player, and it would probably put extra pressure
Speaker 1: on him just from the fan standpoint of what they expected.
Speaker 1: And as players, it's just it's tough because you know,
Speaker 1: like he's having to sit there and face up to
Speaker 1: the media every single week because he has media commitments
Speaker 1: as a coach, so he's having to face those questions
Speaker 1: every single week. Whereas players, we can just kind of say, okay,
Speaker 1: we don't want to face the media and we don't
Speaker 1: get asked those questions. But like as a coach, you
Speaker 1: you can't just disappear like you have to be in
Speaker 1: front of the camera and answer those things.
Speaker 2: So it's tough.
Speaker 1: To see that, and like, I think, more than anything,
Speaker 1: whenever you do see a coach under pressure like that,
Speaker 1: it just makes you want to win that much more
Speaker 1: so then you can see him be able to talk
Speaker 1: about something positive and not have to answer the questions
Speaker 1: about someone saying something negative or trying to to like,
Speaker 1: you know, try to catch them off in some way
Speaker 1: and try to get some kind of the quote out
Speaker 1: of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was tough.
Speaker 1: I've obviously been through the kind of Bucks era and
Speaker 1: stuff now into the Craig era, and it's interesting how
Speaker 1: different they probably treat the two people. Like Craig's not
Speaker 1: he's not probably a media personality before he came into
Speaker 1: the Callingwood job and obviously being a Collingwood coach, it's
Speaker 1: a massive, massive responsibility and you know a lot of
Speaker 1: criticism comes with it. But it was weird how different
Speaker 1: the media probably treats those two people. Yeah, and now
Speaker 1: Bus is in the media, so it's kind of he's
Speaker 1: probably now on the other side seeing it from a
Speaker 1: different perspective with that, But.
Speaker 3: Just jumping in, did you see or feel, like physically
Speaker 3: feel that the pressure difference, because like Bucks coming in
Speaker 3: had pressure. The changeover from like the Mick into Bucks
Speaker 3: was like messy, and then obviously Bucks being like this,
Speaker 3: like the son of Collingwood, like this massive figure, had
Speaker 3: all this pressure on him from the jump, and then
Speaker 3: I felt like that just carried the whole way through.
Speaker 3: When Fly started the first time in a long time,
Speaker 3: it just felt like like all the pressure was out
Speaker 3: the window and you could really have just a like
Speaker 3: a free run at it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well Fly kind of started fresh because we had
Speaker 1: gotten rid of a lot of players. So I think
Speaker 1: that was one thing where Mick obviously he was coming
Speaker 1: out of a successful little period there, and Nathan took over,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I don't know, it's like it's a weird
Speaker 1: one because I think one thing also to add on
Speaker 1: to this is Bucks never won a Grand Final, and
Speaker 1: I think people always wanted to see him at the
Speaker 1: ultimate success of winning a Grand Final, and they thought
Speaker 1: maybe this coaching was another opportunity obviously for him to
Speaker 1: be able to do that. So I think everyone was
Speaker 1: just put that pressure on him to be able to
Speaker 1: do that, and everyone not in a bad way. Everyone
Speaker 1: just wanted to see him be successful at the top
Speaker 1: of the top, you know, the top er echelon, and
Speaker 1: be able to get that finally, you know, get that
Speaker 1: metal and unfortunately never worked out. And I think people
Speaker 1: always just like not I guess like they just want
Speaker 1: to see it as success to him, which is a
Speaker 1: positive and such a great thing, but they also put
Speaker 1: that pressure on him because they want to see that.
Speaker 2: That also added pressure to the whole situation.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that was probably tough to deal with,
Speaker 1: I imagine from his standpoint. I mean, like he has
Speaker 1: been such a successful player, and you know, I think about,
Speaker 1: you know, the things I've been able to experience them
Speaker 1: all lifetime, my footy career and stuff, and you always
Speaker 1: look back to other players that probably have never been
Speaker 1: able to experience that, and you have to be happy
Speaker 1: with the experiences you have had, but also be motivated
Speaker 1: to have better experiences going forward. And yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe he comes back coaching at one point, maybe gets
Speaker 1: another chance of that.
Speaker 2: I'm not really sure.
Speaker 1: But Nathan's one of those people always kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: wish the best for He's a he's a person that's
Speaker 1: done so much for the sport, so much for the league,
Speaker 1: and he's one of those special talents that are kind
Speaker 1: and once in a generation but yeah, he's now moved
Speaker 1: on to the meter side of things and that answer, sorry,
Speaker 1: that question will probably only be answered by him whether
Speaker 1: he wants to come back.
Speaker 3: And Ken Hinckley would have signed a massive sireh relief
Speaker 3: when he saw the ball dipping on the line, because geez,
Speaker 3: everyone was celebrating that, all the Sydney fans in the crowd,
Speaker 3: the Sydney players, the Port players dropped their head and
Speaker 3: then there was an Eastern miracle and so it felt
Speaker 3: like the ball just hit a brick wall because it
Speaker 3: was flying. It was like post high and then all
Speaker 3: of a sudden they just dipped on the line and
Speaker 3: alier Ala.
Speaker 2: Who you know so good his name twice.
Speaker 3: Ken Hinkley owes him a slot because he was just
Speaker 3: he was stopping every ball coming in. He's playing on buddy,
Speaker 3: the best goalkicker in the history since you know, way
Speaker 3: way back, Like, yeah, he was just stopping everything. And
Speaker 3: of course he was the one that stopped the last
Speaker 3: ball on the line. So yeah, he would have been
Speaker 3: breathing a big sireh relief.
Speaker 1: It was. It was a big care. It was forty
Speaker 1: five meters so it was a massive kick. I don't
Speaker 1: think people realize how far it actually was out. So
Speaker 1: he marked it about forty five, which means he's kicking
Speaker 1: at least fifty. It was straight, like you look at
Speaker 1: the because of the camera shot was perfect. It was
Speaker 1: right behind him like the ball was going straight through
Speaker 1: the sticks. Everyone thought game over right, it was all
Speaker 1: going to happen perfectly, and then you get the line
Speaker 1: of the shot on the line and it's actually like
Speaker 1: a meter short. So I don't I mean, like even
Speaker 1: if Lua didn't get to it, like it would have
Speaker 1: touched someone. I'm sure probably on the way through because
Speaker 1: you would have had all of Port Adelaide's team on
Speaker 1: that line, Like it'd be tough to You really have
Speaker 1: to clear the line if you're going to do that.
Speaker 1: And at the siren and Buddy, I think I think
Speaker 1: you look at the vision. Buddy like tackled someone who
Speaker 1: was just like trying to do his best to get
Speaker 1: it over the line. Credit to him, but yeah, it
Speaker 1: was just that meter short. And the celebration. Oh, I
Speaker 1: felt so bad for him. Oh he had.
Speaker 3: Because he was laying on the ground with someone on
Speaker 3: top of him and he had no idea. So when
Speaker 3: he sat up and he said what happened and he
Speaker 3: mouthed it so clearly, like you'd be so confused, and
Speaker 3: then yeah, I don't people like, you know, analyzing it
Speaker 3: to the death of like oh, well, like this person
Speaker 3: celebrated too early, and like like Buddy could have done this,
Speaker 3: and then that it's like, come on, it was dropping
Speaker 3: a meter short and there's twenty blokes on the line.
Speaker 3: Someone's gonna touch it. If it wasn't a lear earlier,
Speaker 3: it would have been someone else. And but yeah, it's
Speaker 3: pretty crazy and just it's those tiny moments in a
Speaker 3: season that have like a massive ripple effects. So it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, Ken Hinckley loses that mass pressure on him.
Speaker 3: Now he does he wins, and there's like a little
Speaker 3: pressure release and like and then Sydney. Now the pressure's
Speaker 3: on Sydney because they lost at home. It's like, oh,
Speaker 3: is that the first team that they're versed that are
Speaker 3: like any good? And like everyone's still trying to figure
Speaker 3: out what the hell's going on in the season.
Speaker 1: The pressures bullshit though, I mean we're in round four,
Speaker 1: going into round five, like there is still so much
Speaker 1: footy to play, and people are already gone, oh, these
Speaker 1: are the favorites to win the flag and oh this
Speaker 1: and that, you know, and it's just there's so much
Speaker 1: to play out. I think about whenever we were at
Speaker 1: round five last year, right, people would have gone not
Speaker 1: making finals. Team's literally going to finish seventeenth. They've got
Speaker 1: no idea what they're doing back half the year when
Speaker 1: eleven straight, when you're in top four, like, there's so
Speaker 1: much that can change.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I feel like competition lends itself to that now,
Speaker 3: like the competition is so wild, Like no one would
Speaker 3: have had Saints on top of the ladder. Yeah, plus
Speaker 3: not only that.
Speaker 2: A long literally at the end of this like round
Speaker 2: on the bottom.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're like Saints of injury depleted, like you know,
Speaker 3: backs against the wall, like it would have been good
Speaker 3: if they were you know, clipping the bottom of the
Speaker 3: eighth or something pre season, but you know, everything changes crazy.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's I think foot is in such a
Speaker 3: good spot. Something sad out of the game though. Patty
Speaker 3: McCartin another you know knockout for him. That's seven ten
Speaker 3: concussions now in his career, and this one was obviously
Speaker 3: super innocuous, like it it didn't really look like anything
Speaker 3: at all. His head kind of hit the ground, but yeah,
Speaker 3: it didn't look great. Afterwards, he struggled to get to
Speaker 3: his feet and kind of helped from the ground. Like,
Speaker 3: what do you kind of see is the next steps
Speaker 3: moving forward in this situation because it especially with the
Speaker 3: AFL going through so much and the concussion talk and
Speaker 3: CTE and head knocks and all that being like super
Speaker 3: front and center, like what happens from here.
Speaker 2: It's a duty of character the player more than anything.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: I'm sure Patty would say, you know, he's one of
Speaker 1: those players. I'll be right, I'll be right, you know,
Speaker 1: like and everything else. But it is a serious topic obviously,
Speaker 1: like the AFL is you know, now starting to take
Speaker 1: a bit of a hotter stance on it, which thank
Speaker 1: god it took long enough, but yeah, it's one of
Speaker 1: those things now, like that the tackle just looked.
Speaker 2: You know, I wouldn't even known that would have happened.
Speaker 1: And he'll you got that vision of him walking out
Speaker 1: or walking off the ground being quite dazed, and that's scary.
Speaker 1: That's scary to watch, like as as someone that's you know,
Speaker 1: a colleague somewhat you know, someone from a different team,
Speaker 1: but Yeah, to have that many cussions, you know, you
Speaker 1: just have to wish the best for him. And really
Speaker 1: the hands are in the doctors, like sorry, his hands
Speaker 1: are in the doctor's hands. And hopefully Sydney has the
Speaker 1: resources to maybe get someone on board that's you know,
Speaker 1: a true doctor and someone who's really qualified in this
Speaker 1: area with CT and everything else, to maybe have a
Speaker 1: meeting with him about what's going on. But yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's tough to see Susy as a player. It's tough
Speaker 1: to see as someone who you know wishes other players well,
Speaker 1: you know, we're in the same situation doing the same sport,
Speaker 1: and he's obviously got mad love for football, otherwise he
Speaker 1: wouldn't be playing it. So it's it's going to be
Speaker 1: interesting to see the way they handle it. Hopefully, like
Speaker 1: I said, they can get someone who's very qualified to
Speaker 1: help with the situation. And I hope the AFL, if
Speaker 1: you know, Sidney doesn't have the resources, the IFL can
Speaker 1: jump in and say we're willing to pay for this
Speaker 1: as a dutio character players.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think there's going to be a process
Speaker 3: of this. Obviously talking to Patty, seeing where he's like
Speaker 3: head and heart is at whether he wants to continue on,
Speaker 3: then it'll go to Sydney and their judio care. They'll
Speaker 3: do all the tests and everything to see if medically
Speaker 3: he's kind of like okay to progress forward, and then
Speaker 3: then it has to kind of progress to you know,
Speaker 3: an independent body or the AFL or something like that
Speaker 3: to kind of look after the like look after the player,
Speaker 3: maybe take it out of their hands, but then also
Speaker 3: look after the league because you know, if they if
Speaker 3: Patti says yeah, I want to go on, and Sydney
Speaker 3: goes okay, yeah, sure, and then he comes back in
Speaker 3: ten years and he's not happy with the fact that
Speaker 3: he was allowed to play. Like there's so much that
Speaker 3: goes into it, but as I can say, is like
Speaker 3: the best to him and his family because Tom got
Speaker 3: knocked out in the same game. So we were talking
Speaker 3: last week about your parents looking at you and all
Speaker 3: your issues, like imagine being the parents of the mccartins
Speaker 3: and saying it's like that's tragic.
Speaker 1: It's one of the hardest things I think as a
Speaker 1: player whenever you're told by doctor can't play, and you
Speaker 1: have to have full trust in the doctor. Obviously they're
Speaker 1: qualified and a lot more intelligent in the area than
Speaker 1: probably yourself. But I think about whenever I've had injuries
Speaker 1: and stuff over the years and a doctor says, no,
Speaker 1: you're not playing and you just have this this once
Speaker 1: and this you know, drive to be successful and everything else,
Speaker 1: and whenever someone, I guess takes that away from you
Speaker 1: for your own good, for your own good, it's it's
Speaker 1: tough to like swallow it is. It is tough to
Speaker 1: to swallow that fact. And yeah, it's just but you
Speaker 1: go to now, I think at the end of it,
Speaker 1: like you have to sit there and have the mature
Speaker 1: look at it to say this is best for my
Speaker 1: long term long term health.
Speaker 3: People look at it and go like, well, obviously he's done.
Speaker 3: Like obviously, just call it for your own good. But
Speaker 3: like some of these guys, it's foot is all they've
Speaker 3: ever known, what is their identity? Like it it's different
Speaker 3: for every player obviously, but like it's not an easy
Speaker 3: call to be just saying like, oh, yeah, I'll just
Speaker 3: wrap up my career and my life right here right
Speaker 3: now and.
Speaker 2: Trying to find something else to do. Yeah, it's not easy.
Speaker 1: We'll move into an on the Adelaid versus freole game
Speaker 1: now something happened in this and we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about a few of these situations now, and numpire got
Speaker 1: a little bit of love, got a little bit of
Speaker 1: love for all the wrong ones.
Speaker 3: I was surprised. Have you ever been in trouble for
Speaker 3: touching an umpire?
Speaker 1: I've had an umpire touch me and I I remember
Speaker 1: he grab me, I touched me on the arm.
Speaker 2: I was like, hey, hey, hey, hey, this goes both ways. Now.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Jake's oligo kicks a goal, but it's it's
Speaker 3: one of those real contentious like it's on the line,
Speaker 3: like was it touched?
Speaker 2: Did it go through?
Speaker 3: Kind of sucker, kind of weird goals, and he celebrates
Speaker 3: because he knows that he's kicked it. And it was
Speaker 3: almost just a reflex of like touching the umpire's arm
Speaker 3: and going like you saw that right, Like I kicked
Speaker 3: the goal. And then as soon as he did it,
Speaker 3: he was like, I didn't mean to touch, like.
Speaker 1: You know, he as soon as he did, it goes
Speaker 1: there's fifteen hundred dollars just flushed down the drain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I reckon you start. Have you had any fines?
Speaker 1: Yeah, not for touching an umpire. But I've had plenty
Speaker 1: of finds in my career. I feel like maybe a
Speaker 1: tribe in order to hear there.
Speaker 3: For me when I got if I got a fine,
Speaker 3: I would instantly be thinking like I could have bought
Speaker 3: like a TV, or I could have bought this, or
Speaker 3: I could have bought that.
Speaker 2: Like a lot of people will sit there on that.
Speaker 1: Like if you do something in a game that's a
Speaker 1: bit questionable, you know, like players are coming to you
Speaker 1: and be.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, that's a fine, You're going to get fine.
Speaker 1: Here you get suspension for like a week, and they
Speaker 1: try to play into your head of like you're going
Speaker 1: to get suspended or something like that. You know, but yeah,
Speaker 1: you yet, I mean it was quite yeah, Like it
Speaker 1: wasn't like it wasn't malicious by any means, don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong, but like the rules are the rules. If
Speaker 1: you touch an umpire, you get a fine. He would
Speaker 1: have kicked that goal, touched it and gone ship.
Speaker 3: At least it's a goal, Like you got the goal.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it was they got the wain on that
Speaker 2: other we again.
Speaker 3: If it was a fifteen hundred dollars point, that would suck.
Speaker 2: Well, how much is a goal worth? Nowadays. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Hey, I would pay fifteen hundred dollars for a goal
Speaker 3: because I've never kicked one.
Speaker 1: Another another one that we have to talk about Tomy
Speaker 1: Cameron hit sticks and umpire this weekend.
Speaker 2: We haven't we haven't brushed on up yet.
Speaker 3: Big weekend absolutely demolished and umpire just swallowed him all
Speaker 3: in celebration.
Speaker 1: And this is a bit different because he didn't really
Speaker 1: see him coming. And I think, honestly it's on the
Speaker 1: umpire because he was turned around out looking at him,
Speaker 1: celebrating to the fans of where it was, and the
Speaker 1: umpire had all the vision of him coming out in
Speaker 1: full steam and just didn't get out of the way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the umpire had less awareness because you know,
Speaker 3: you can't you can see Jazz coming.
Speaker 2: He's excited, just kicked a big goal.
Speaker 3: I reckon maybe the umpire just had all eyes on ball.
Speaker 3: He's like, I got to get this back to the center,
Speaker 3: like that's where his job starts. When jesus So, I
Speaker 3: don't know, but it was kind of like a weird one,
Speaker 3: like he just engulfed this bloke because Jess would be
Speaker 3: one hundred kegs, so just engulfs him and then this long,
Speaker 3: like drawn out hugs from like.
Speaker 2: I think of Joey Cameron's body goes fifteen hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: How can I play this off? I want my money back.
Speaker 2: Cash converter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just like softly picking him up like like
Speaker 3: a delicate flower. You're all good, buddy, you're right.
Speaker 2: I didn't hurt you, did I that's gonna be even worse.
Speaker 2: That might be five if I actually hurt you.
Speaker 3: Now that you said that, I want to touch like just.
Speaker 2: I would have loved to see the umpires just go
Speaker 2: and just get into Jesse Cameron. After that, I.
Speaker 3: Tweeted out, I would love to see there.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 3: Still still just good. But yeah, like come over the
Speaker 3: guy after bench runs off the bench in his tracksuit
Speaker 3: and just starts jump a function jets or something. But
Speaker 3: I want to talk about cash converters. Yeah, and all
Speaker 3: these A grade players getting on these cash converter ads.
Speaker 3: What's that that's old for? Traka, Oh, come, you've got money,
Speaker 3: You're not going to cash converters to get a second
Speaker 3: hand PlayStation? Get off it.
Speaker 1: Cash converters where they get all the stuff they get gifted.
Speaker 1: They go straight to cash convertse just get the money
Speaker 1: straight in their hand.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly smart by that, you get some free crap
Speaker 3: over your time, you could cash.
Speaker 2: I've been to a cash converters yet that Yeah.
Speaker 3: They've giving you ideas. Now I want to talk about
Speaker 3: this one because I couldn't imagine any world that we
Speaker 3: exist in any you know, different space and time continuum
Speaker 3: on another planet or in a different vortex that you
Speaker 3: kick a torpedo on the run from fifty five out
Speaker 3: like Jake Stringer did on the weekend, because that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: We'd have to be up by one hundred and forty
Speaker 1: and I would have kicked four looking for the fifth.
Speaker 3: Maybe, so a Stringer cops a ton of heat this
Speaker 3: week obviously, you know, coming back in pre season, not
Speaker 3: in the best nick as he'd probably admit, gets injured,
Speaker 3: starts late, pretty much the same story. I'm putting that
Speaker 3: out there on Jake Stringer. And then as Jake Stringer does,
Speaker 3: he kicked like six ' ten or six whatever he kicked.
Speaker 3: He kicked the hell of a lot of points too.
Speaker 3: But he was just shooting from everywhere, and one of
Speaker 3: them included a top on the run from fifty five.
Speaker 3: Now are there team rules around this stuff? Like if
Speaker 3: you did it, would you just be dropped the next week?
Speaker 2: If it was me, yes, I definitely would be dropped.
Speaker 3: Like aren't there guys in Collingwood that you give a
Speaker 3: license to? Like I feel like if a Braidon Maynard
Speaker 3: or something was doing it, maybe yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, braid Maynard's not going to get dropped
Speaker 1: for kicking a torp pond fifty. He might get a
Speaker 1: stone talking too, but that's about it.
Speaker 3: I would hate to give Braidon Maynard a stern talk.
Speaker 3: That would be scary in itself.
Speaker 1: I'm happy to no, I would ud be braid Maynard's
Speaker 1: the handball received from fifty. He kicks a judge drop punt.
Speaker 1: That's his go to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he could kick a drop punt from there. I
Speaker 3: guess that's the that's the difference.
Speaker 1: On the rune, like he asks for it. Between him
Speaker 1: and the daycast boys, you get plenty of plenty of lip.
Speaker 1: Whenever you get like a ball of mIRC right on fifty.
Speaker 3: That's you because you're always like I'm making the distance
Speaker 3: so super confident. There was for a lot of years there,
Speaker 3: You're like going back slowly from fifty it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: he kicked it to the top of the square, yeah,
Speaker 3: not having a shut Yeah.
Speaker 1: But now I think there's maybe one or two players
Speaker 1: that can maybe. I don't really think anyone our team
Speaker 1: would do that because we hope to be an unfish team.
Speaker 2: That's kind of part of our ethics.
Speaker 1: But if there was someone to do it and get
Speaker 1: away with it, and they would have to kick it
Speaker 1: though if they miss it, for you're coughing that much.
Speaker 2: But maybe Jordan de Goy.
Speaker 1: He's a freak, and I feel like he could just
Speaker 1: maybe he was like getting tackled at the same time,
Speaker 1: just torped on from sixty and just goes through the sticks.
Speaker 1: And if it goes through, it's tough to really criticize
Speaker 1: him because they actually, you know, it worked.
Speaker 2: Is it probably what we're asking for now?
Speaker 1: Like I look back to the Jade and Stevenson tort
Speaker 1: from like forty five, so it would have been fifty
Speaker 1: five sixty. I remember sitting on the line thinking, fuck you, you're.
Speaker 2: Gonna just like look us off in the forward line.
Speaker 1: Everyone sprinted to the goal line and try to you know,
Speaker 1: to try to like lead up back to get this ball,
Speaker 1: you've waved us off and try to torp one from
Speaker 1: sixty and it went through to his credit. But in
Speaker 1: my mind, I'll be honest, big fuck off mate.
Speaker 3: So he's looked ahead, looking at his options, and he's gone.
Speaker 1: He thought a tor from sixty was a better option
Speaker 1: than the three forwards leading up at him. Then is
Speaker 1: there anything more disrespectful than that?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's good. I think I think Jordi probably in the
Speaker 3: same mold as a Jake Stringer, like one of those
Speaker 3: guys that can just break a game open. I think,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I could be wrong, but looking at him,
Speaker 3: Jeremy How, I reckon has a real good talk in him,
Speaker 3: though probably a talk technique. I reckon Jeremy How has
Speaker 3: a great talk in him.
Speaker 2: He does probably not at the moment.
Speaker 1: Love you, Jemy, all the best of the recovery legend,
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think Jeordie's probably the one that gets
Speaker 1: license over anyone else at the club. I'd say maybe
Speaker 1: Pedals can't make.
Speaker 3: Forty Pendals needs a talk, a talk from.
Speaker 1: About forty forty five. He's like me, we both struggle
Speaker 1: to make the distance. But now I think Jordan's the
Speaker 1: one maybe Nick Decass in the year, maybe him.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to check in on this one round
Speaker 3: four sub rule, like we are we happy with where
Speaker 3: that sits at the moment. It seems a bit it's weird.
Speaker 3: It is cool that you can like influence a game,
Speaker 3: and it's way more tactical now as opposed to like
Speaker 3: just if it's an injury, you can hold it off
Speaker 3: until the last quarter and pull the trigger on on
Speaker 3: a player. But yeah, how do you see it or
Speaker 3: would you just go like a five man bench or
Speaker 3: is it working?
Speaker 1: I don't think it really matters five man bench or
Speaker 1: sub because almost every game, right, you're gonna have one
Speaker 1: player that's playing out one hundred percent or injured or
Speaker 1: whatever maybe and you're probably going to pull them off.
Speaker 1: Or maybe it's like a person that's played their first
Speaker 1: game or like doesn't have the you know, the tank
Speaker 1: to be able to go through a full game, and
Speaker 1: you'll have to sub them anyway. So I don't really
Speaker 1: think there's too much of an issue with it. Like
Speaker 1: I think it's it's quite you know, much of muchness
Speaker 1: at times, but I understand there's more tactical like choosing
Speaker 1: whenever it comes to a sub and win to deploy
Speaker 1: the sub and things like that. You know, so maybe
Speaker 1: adds a bit of entertainment flair to the game, which
Speaker 1: I'm all for. But the five man on the bench, it's,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's kind of much and muchness. I
Speaker 1: think at the end of the day, like you essentially,
Speaker 1: if you get to the point where you're really using
Speaker 1: that fifth man and subbing that many people, you're probably
Speaker 1: just going to use the sub anyway.
Speaker 2: Halftime. It's pretty similar.
Speaker 3: Have you ever talked to the sub about it, because
Speaker 3: I can't imagine you'd be the sub.
Speaker 2: Probably might have once.
Speaker 1: I was a sub last year for Pendles and a
Speaker 1: very did his finger. I want to say its ether
Speaker 1: year or two year or two ago against Adelaide to
Speaker 1: put autolad Marvel. They played dog Ship after that, I
Speaker 1: played for a half. I don't even think I got
Speaker 1: a touch. The sub interesting a great tactical idea that
Speaker 1: was two years ago, two years ago.
Speaker 3: But as a sub there's a lot that you have
Speaker 3: to do that like people don't realize, and it's like
Speaker 3: you gotta if you come on and then you've got
Speaker 3: to like make sure you get like the running in
Speaker 3: your legs and a lot of times you see players
Speaker 3: out there doing laps after the game and and things
Speaker 3: like that, and it would be hard to get consistency
Speaker 3: in your game as well. If you like pull the trigger,
Speaker 3: you don't know when you're coming on. You might come
Speaker 3: on for a quarter, you might come on for three quarters.
Speaker 3: It would be a pretty weird spot to be in
Speaker 3: as a player.
Speaker 1: Mentally, it's a bit of like a screw around like
Speaker 1: as you Yeah, like you said, you never know whenever
Speaker 1: you're on, So you're constantly trying to stay warm, ready
Speaker 1: to go. So if someone does, like I think a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, Brodie march I had done something
Speaker 1: to his finger and came off, we had to deploy
Speaker 1: the sub right away. And that's not something that like
Speaker 1: you have time. He scently just comes off there go yep,
Speaker 1: you're on banks see you later, like go, So you
Speaker 1: have to just be mentally ready to do that. And
Speaker 1: like you can imagine some of these people, it might
Speaker 1: be a sub, might be a sub for two three weeks.
Speaker 1: So like that, just the mental like game of that
Speaker 1: can be frustrating. It's not the best position you want
Speaker 1: to be and I'll be honest, and that halftime you
Speaker 1: have to kind of go run around catchy quarter time
Speaker 1: halftime go you see him warming up in the fifty
Speaker 1: like doing Mike Leeds marks all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: But you got to look at glass at four.
Speaker 1: Either not part of the team and you're playing in
Speaker 1: the VFL that week and you're probably not getting your
Speaker 1: match bonus and stuff, or you're the sub for the
Speaker 1: week and the coach still has trust in you that
Speaker 1: you're at AFL level to be able to play, and
Speaker 1: you're the sub, you know, hopefully getting a chance to
Speaker 1: come on and make a difference. So the chances are
Speaker 1: you're probably going to come on as a sub. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's many games have been played with
Speaker 1: the sub hasn't been activated.
Speaker 3: So do you you still get match payments and it
Speaker 3: still goes to your game telling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nice don't because ol Egg was a sub for
Speaker 1: his first game.
Speaker 3: Oh are true? Now another couple of subs coming out
Speaker 3: of the Richmond team, Lynch and the NAC now two
Speaker 3: obvious big presences physically and you know in the team lineup,
Speaker 3: would you sigh a bit of a breath of relief
Speaker 3: if you were coming up against Richmond without those two
Speaker 3: in the team.
Speaker 1: Yes, they're really good players and I had to find
Speaker 1: a way to be able to replace the I think
Speaker 1: right now that they're kind of a similar position with us,
Speaker 1: Like obviously Nanke is the ruckman, forum their second rockers out,
Speaker 1: their third Rock is injured, like they're now looking to
Speaker 1: play Sampson Ryan probably in the middle, like a young
Speaker 1: kid who doesn't have a lot of experience play at
Speaker 1: that level playing Rock now, I'm going to have to
Speaker 1: shoulder the whole load. So I knowing that, but so
Speaker 1: much Obviously one of the best players forwards in the
Speaker 1: league that goes out, you know, now you've got to
Speaker 1: shift things around to try to cover his role. It's
Speaker 1: going to be an interesting time for Richmond for this
Speaker 1: little little patch until they're back. But yeah, I think
Speaker 1: they're obviously a big leadership at that team also, so
Speaker 1: there would be that has to be covered. Also, I
Speaker 1: know Rebolt was in the box, you know, so he's
Speaker 1: helping out with coaching, So maybe they'll do that. I'm
Speaker 1: not really too sure kind of how it all works,
Speaker 1: but yeah, Richmond's going to be a team that's going
Speaker 1: to have to try to get this next little patch
Speaker 1: so they can get some of those superstars back and
Speaker 1: hopefully get fighting fit. But it's it's an interesting time
Speaker 1: in the ruckman role. There's a lot of Rockman out
Speaker 1: of the moment, and there's a lot a lot of
Speaker 1: people striving to be able to fill that role.
Speaker 2: That's for sure.
Speaker 3: A lot of second ruckman's coming in not knowing the rules,
Speaker 3: getting maid in the guts. But we'll touch on that
Speaker 3: now to the Collingwood game, No Rock got these seconds
Speaker 3: coming in. It looked a bit messy now, like what
Speaker 3: happened up there? Because first quarter? Good, third quarter? Good,
Speaker 3: fourth quarter? Good second quarter? Dog shit they kick nine?
Speaker 3: You kick nne Yeah, and it kind of looked really
Speaker 3: disjoint like balls were getting out the back. A lot
Speaker 3: of Brisbane plays free. There was there's some confusion, that's all,
Speaker 3: like the ruck's not in the right spot, Like what
Speaker 3: was happening up there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I think it's tough as a player who
Speaker 1: plays that position to see that. I guess like that
Speaker 1: position tried to be filled and then the person that's
Speaker 1: playing in it, like you know, hasn't had to play
Speaker 1: full rock before, So yeah, I feel bad because it's
Speaker 1: like he's just been thrust into this position, like he's
Speaker 1: not this is not something he's worked towards per se,
Speaker 1: you know, and like and I thought I also I
Speaker 1: thought Dan and Ash played really well over the weekend,
Speaker 1: like they you know, as far as the rock contests
Speaker 1: and stuff, they nullified really anything going too crazy, Like
Speaker 1: I think Oscar had the chance to to maybe like
Speaker 1: whenever we're going into it, I was thinking he's just
Speaker 1: going to be trying to punch everything forward and really
Speaker 1: get some territory off that, but he wasn't really able to.
Speaker 2: So it's a credit to him.
Speaker 1: But with anything, whenever you first try it, it's it's
Speaker 1: not going to be perfect. And I think over the
Speaker 1: weekend we realized that there was some confusion around setups
Speaker 1: and stuff and center bounces. There was a few free
Speaker 1: kicks and whatnot, and we tried to play billion into
Speaker 1: the ruck at times and try to move other people out,
Speaker 1: and there was a bit of confusion around that. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it cost us probably a few goals and definitely territory
Speaker 1: in that sense. But I thought over the weekend for
Speaker 1: something that we just had to throw in last second
Speaker 1: and sort out like I thought they did pretty well.
Speaker 3: And it is weird because obviously, so the ruck doesn't
Speaker 3: just affect the ruck because then you've got to start
Speaker 3: cherry picking from the ford and the defense, and those
Speaker 3: two are at the other end of the ground. So
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know that forwards are one in,
Speaker 3: but so it's really hard to communicate. I can imagine
Speaker 3: between those guys and be like you need to be
Speaker 3: in there, you need to be in there. It would
Speaker 3: throw the whole team structure into a bit of chaos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I think whenever you're a rock and whenever
Speaker 1: Doris and I play, like we've both played rock for
Speaker 1: a while and like we're pretty interchangeable in that role.
Speaker 1: Like it's not like I think whenever Brodie was playing,
Speaker 1: we tried to play Brody a.
Speaker 2: High percentage in the ruck and we would get less
Speaker 2: percentage in there.
Speaker 1: But with Darcy myself, it's really more kind of towards
Speaker 1: that fifty to fifty raw And like if I you know,
Speaker 1: like whenever I had the spleen thing happened, I remember
Speaker 1: that happened, was like Darcy, come fill my role just
Speaker 1: for a chunk, because I'm nowhere near it or at
Speaker 1: the moment, I'm bleeding internally. So there's kind of those
Speaker 1: opportunities where you're just like it just flows and you
Speaker 1: just make it flow. But whenever, like that's not an option,
Speaker 1: or you're trying to figure out that synergy and what
Speaker 1: to do in certain circumstances and kind of you know,
Speaker 1: understanding of the different players you're playing with.
Speaker 2: Like it's it's tough to get that perfect you.
Speaker 1: Know, connection straight off the bat, and I think that's
Speaker 1: probably maybe something we struggled with on the weekend. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's tough, Like it's tough to watch it
Speaker 1: and you want to it's just like you just want
Speaker 1: to be out there just like fixing it, you know,
Speaker 1: like you just want to be out there fixing it.
Speaker 1: But unfortunately it's not the circumstance. And yeah, we just
Speaker 1: had a bit of miscommunication I think in that second
Speaker 1: quarter and then yeah, Brisbane was able to kick quite
Speaker 1: a few goals and Charlie Cameron got on top of us.
Speaker 3: Are you confident that you'll be able to fix those
Speaker 3: like communication issues or have they been addressed? I guess
Speaker 3: more importantly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we'll sort it out this week. I
Speaker 1: think we'll have a lot better understanding of what works inside,
Speaker 1: and we'll get another week of kind of experiencing on
Speaker 1: the training track, being able to kind of really lock
Speaker 1: down what that person's going to do in that role
Speaker 1: and how we're going to I guess shift players around you.
Speaker 1: I think whenever you put someone into that rock position,
Speaker 1: you're also losing probably someone from the forward line. So
Speaker 1: like Damn says one of our staple forwards, now we
Speaker 1: have a hole in the forward line that was Damn
Speaker 1: say that. Now we have to fill. So now someone
Speaker 1: else might have to move positions and play a different
Speaker 1: position than they are normally I'm.
Speaker 2: Not used to.
Speaker 1: So you got to think like that's that's just kind
Speaker 1: of the flow on effect of this happening, and over
Speaker 1: the weekend, I think that was definitely real or sorry,
Speaker 1: prevalent that you could see in the game.
Speaker 3: And correct me if I'm wrong. It's probably a lot
Speaker 3: easier to fill a gap in the forward line than
Speaker 3: it is in the back line. So when Frampton comes
Speaker 3: up to fill the rock, is that why we were
Speaker 3: seeing so many kind of goals out the back and
Speaker 3: like spare Brisbane players. Is that where it fell down
Speaker 3: or was it a separate issue.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think a lot of times when we get
Speaker 1: scored on, it's out the back, and that's because we're
Speaker 1: a high pressure team. We come forward, we pressure the ball,
Speaker 1: we back in our heat on the ball, and then
Speaker 1: if they are able to get through that, and it's
Speaker 1: it's very rarely I think actually as a team teams
Speaker 1: can do that because it's such a high pressure game.
Speaker 1: Then we take the risk of probably someone just sprinting
Speaker 1: away from us and just being totally out the back
Speaker 1: and we just don't we back in the fact that
Speaker 1: the ball's not going to get to him because our
Speaker 1: pressure is so good at the at the cold face.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of probably, I think where a lot
Speaker 1: of this stuff happens, where we kind of take the
Speaker 1: risk of maybe someone coming across as a third man
Speaker 1: to punch something or something along that along that line
Speaker 1: of getting more people to the contest where maybe we
Speaker 1: lose one out in the back and that's how you
Speaker 1: get an easy goal. And I'll think about this, Charlie
Speaker 1: Cameron over he's I think he's six of six over
Speaker 1: the weekend, and the way it works in Brisbane is
Speaker 1: after someone kicks a goal, they have like a song
Speaker 1: like their song, right, Charlie's Cameron, Charlie, Sorry, Charlie Cameron's
Speaker 1: goal celebration.
Speaker 2: Song, take Me Home, cut Your Road to Please Off.
Speaker 1: That's Virginia, like seriously, six times of the game, John Denver,
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, but shit, I was sick of
Speaker 1: that song by the time I left that joint.
Speaker 3: The bloke sitting next to you singing alone, oh no,
Speaker 3: he was pissed.
Speaker 2: Fume and Collingwood fan.
Speaker 3: But that's enough of you sitting in the stand singing
Speaker 3: country Road. We need a bit of an injury update
Speaker 3: because I heard some whispers that you're ahead of time
Speaker 3: and you're ahead of schedule.
Speaker 2: There's some wild rumors out there at the moment, Braden,
Speaker 2: stupid rumors. But people somehow know more about my internal
Speaker 2: organs than I do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you wouldn't have even you've been up on
Speaker 3: the Gold Coast lounging it around by the pool side,
Speaker 3: love it just getting some.
Speaker 2: Sunch spa treatment out of the beach.
Speaker 3: Do you pay for anything? All right? That was a
Speaker 3: free view. Surely you're on the Instagram, Braiden.
Speaker 2: I don't released the information of the Okay.
Speaker 3: So you're out there lounging around, So injury update, we better,
Speaker 3: we worse? Can we rush it along or.
Speaker 2: I feel better?
Speaker 1: I think for a long time I was in this
Speaker 1: like because I had this essentially like two plus leaders
Speaker 1: of blood in me that was pushing things around really weird,
Speaker 1: and the body just somehow absorbs this thing. I don't know,
Speaker 1: And I felt quite nauseous for a week and just
Speaker 1: was like really kind of like all over the place
Speaker 1: in that sense. But I feel normal now and talking
Speaker 1: to the doc, the blood counts back to normal, which
Speaker 1: is good. So signs are in the right direction. I
Speaker 1: know you sent me a text saying that there was
Speaker 1: some miracle that I was playing this week or something
Speaker 1: on those lines. I can stomp that that's not gonna happen,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's in the right direction. We'll get a
Speaker 1: scan lader this week, I think, and get a better
Speaker 1: of an understanding of it. Got to go and get
Speaker 1: the CT scan, get the die put into the IV,
Speaker 1: all that kind of jazz. Great time at the old
Speaker 1: hospital and get a better idea of time frames and stuff.
Speaker 1: But it's still low key at the moment. Don't do
Speaker 1: much just let the body recover, let the organ kind
Speaker 1: of somehow heal itself up. I know they the body
Speaker 1: is a miraculous thing. Oh it's insane, absolutely insane. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let it do its thing. I'm want to
Speaker 1: kick back, try to help out where I can at
Speaker 1: the club. And that's about all I can do.
Speaker 3: Got a chemist Warehouse, get some vitamins.
Speaker 2: Vitamins.
Speaker 3: Your TikTok was actually like the TikTok walking through chemist
Speaker 3: Warehouse hitting your head on the science. That was actually
Speaker 3: good gear.
Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty funny. Also, does anyone else
Speaker 1: know this? Chemists Warehouse is just like a huge clearance cell.
Speaker 1: Everything is on sale. It is just lime green, just
Speaker 1: neon pink. Everything looks like I get a headache walking
Speaker 1: through the joint. I mean, like, how do you actually
Speaker 1: know what's on sale in that place?
Speaker 3: Love Chemist Warehouse?
Speaker 2: I saw me wrong. But like their marketing is just
Speaker 2: like everything must go.
Speaker 3: Well, it's all relative because if their prices are cheap
Speaker 3: to everywhere everywhere else everything's on sale. Now. I will
Speaker 3: say that there's one bloke on Twitter that's putting out
Speaker 3: there miracles and he's got the inside scoop on Mason's injury.
Speaker 3: I don't know how you could bloody know because he
Speaker 3: hasn't got his scans. He's laying on a fucking banana
Speaker 3: lounge up in the Gold Coast, so he's got the
Speaker 3: inside inside word. He must be your proctologist or something.
Speaker 2: He's up there.
Speaker 3: But we'll look ahead to the Saint Kilda game, Chris.
Speaker 3: They are fly harmon top of the ladder, big game
Speaker 3: coming up. Gather around over in Adelaide. Now are you
Speaker 3: going to be there? You're not going to be there.
Speaker 3: I don't think i'll be there, right, So watch this space.
Speaker 3: We'll see what we can do with that. We'll get
Speaker 3: we'll get some we'll get some coverage going. But yeah,
Speaker 3: that I don't know how. They're kind of playing a
Speaker 3: similar game to you, like that you both running gun.
Speaker 3: So it should be exciting footage.
Speaker 2: It would be a really good game. I'm excited to
Speaker 2: see how this pans out.
Speaker 1: I think it'll be a high scoring games, would be
Speaker 1: a lot, a lot of risky kicks, you say, to
Speaker 1: try to get some of the like a go on
Speaker 1: the other end. So it's going to be a very
Speaker 1: pressure game, very fast flowing game. A game that I
Speaker 1: think might be the best game to watch of the round.
Speaker 1: I might even say, and yeah, it's gonna be exciting.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, obviously Saint Kilda is just choo choo train,
Speaker 1: just rolling through teams at the moment, and we've had
Speaker 1: the loss in Brisbane last week, so we'll be having
Speaker 1: tried have something to prove, I guess. And yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a credit to Saint Kila. They've been going really well.
Speaker 1: Ross Lyne has absolutely turned the kind of program around
Speaker 1: from the first you know fours so far. It is
Speaker 1: obviously a long season, but they're just they're harmon. They're
Speaker 1: absolutely harmon top of the ladder at the moment. It
Speaker 1: would be a challenge for us.
Speaker 3: It's going to be challenging for ross Lyons to get
Speaker 3: his gatorade bottle through security at the airport to get
Speaker 3: over to the Adelaide. So I don't know, I don't
Speaker 3: know if you'll be as jovial as cheery as he's
Speaker 3: been in past weeks. But it should be a bloody
Speaker 3: good game. And I'm right, I'm right there with your
Speaker 3: defense is dead. Who needs defenders? Defense sucks. We want goals,
Speaker 3: we want attacking footy, we want fast, fast, footy and
Speaker 3: we're getting it this year, so it should be a
Speaker 3: bloody exciting game. And I'm happy to wrap things up there.
Speaker 3: I reckon Now, nice type pod and we're not doing
Speaker 3: the entertainment pod this week.
Speaker 1: I must say there's a reason we've only got one
Speaker 1: pod coming out this week, and it is massive because
Speaker 1: we've got some of I will say, we have just
Speaker 1: recorded one of the biggest, biggest names in Australian athletics.
Speaker 3: It's actually huge. That's a nice, little, nice little mind game.
Speaker 3: I reckon you put in there.
Speaker 1: It was skin the Gold Coast. A little teaser there.
Speaker 1: I'll let you try to sort out who it might be.
Speaker 3: I think if you think of the biggest name that
Speaker 3: you could possibly think in Australia in your head, it's
Speaker 3: bigger than that.
Speaker 2: Ain't that a teaser?
Speaker 3: Anthony ELBANIZI alban.
Speaker 2: Easy, he's taking it easy. Oh it's not Anthony Albanezi.
Speaker 2: I will let you know that one.
Speaker 3: So we didn't do just one episode because you were
Speaker 3: in the Gold Coast on the Banana Ledge.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, we want to give everyone a happy
Speaker 1: Easter with the family. Didn't want to be in there
Speaker 1: here too much, you know, just family time is important,
Speaker 1: so we'll let him have that. You know, it's one
Speaker 1: podcast this week, massive interview coming up, and we've also
Speaker 1: got some other interviews coming through. I will give a
Speaker 1: little teaser here. Some NHL boys coming on. Yeah, HiT's
Speaker 1: big fights. That's gonna be good fun, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: real good. Fine, We've got a really random one coming
Speaker 1: up to that we're recording this week too. And then lastly,
Speaker 1: we have an NBA superstar from everywhere.
Speaker 3: We're getting them from everywhere.
Speaker 1: We're getting them every single direction. Mason Cox is not
Speaker 1: taking tame on im off at the moment. He's just
Speaker 1: hamming like Saint Kilda, pomping the pod. Get around it,
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