WEBVTT - Ruck Rules 🦵 Ump Abuse 🤬 Brisbane Breakdown 🤯 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:08.640 Hey, legends, Welcome back to the Mason Cock Show. Now 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:11.800 plenty happening this week in Sport. We've got the rock rules. 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:13.640 I'm gonna explain what the heck they are because I 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:16.080 think it's a bit of confusion around that. Richmond's got 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:18.520 a bit of injury trouble at the moment. There's celebrations 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:20.760 all over Sport a bit too early, maybe a bit 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:23.040 too much. And what happened in Brisbane over the weekend. 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:32.600 It's all covered starting now, all right, without further ado, 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:33.879 we will get into it. 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:34.839 Welcome Brandon. 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:37.560 I'm fresh this morning. We got a morning record. We 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:40.040 don't normally do morning records, but I'm up and about 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:42.879 if my voice is a bit Raspberry Queen was on 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:45.200 the radio on the drive in, so I was belting 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:48.199 that one out. Now let's jump straight into our clanger 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:48.560 of the week. 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:49.919 Yes, one of the favorite segments. 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:54.720 Now Warren tread ray mate export captain. You think he 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:58.160 would be all for Port supporting them get around him, 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:00.920 But no, it came out during the weeks Ken Hinckley, 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:03.520 surely in an untenable position as coach of the Port 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:07.280 Adelaide Football Club. Well, Kenny just shoved it right up 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:08.959 him because he came out and got the win. It 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:11.360 doesn't matter that it was right on the death. He 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.640 got the win against Sydney in Sydney, that's a massive win. 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:20.240 And Kenny's always just fighting for his life, Like I 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:23.319 feel so rough for him. And it's never normally people 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:25.440 are coming for your head outside of the club, but 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:29.200 Kenny's just batting them off left, right and center inside 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.399 the club, inside the four walls. Export this export, that 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:35.640 president and this president that get off his back. Bloke's 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:38.560 just trying to coach your team. That's my claim. 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:39.560 I'm a big fan of Ken. 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:42.000 Now Ken he seems to just always fight back whenever 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:43.600 people kind of try to put him down. He's the 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:45.560 face of the port Allelloided Football Club. He's been there 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:48.680 for years. He's he's helped that team reach very much 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:51.360 a successful era. I guess some why they haven't won 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:53.280 the premiership obviously, but I think they've been a team 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:55.640 that's always looked at the calendar as someone you're not 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:57.160 going to take lightly, that's for sure. 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:01.120 Yeah, I always feel it's weird, like externals are like, 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:03.560 come on, Kenny, you can do it, and internals are 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:06.160 like come on, you gotta win the flag otherwise get 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:08.799 out of here. It's so bizarre, but normally it's the 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.200 other way around. But what's your clanger of the week. 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:14.280 I've got I've actually got a little voice recording, Brandon 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:17.679 little voice recording from the weekend. So to pre empt this, right, 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:21.000 I was up in Brisbane at the game and the 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:23.880 a f L for some reason doesn't separate players and fans, 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:27.440 like if you go sit in the in the stance, yeah, 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:29.560 I'm general admission at this point, right, So you go 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:31.799 in there, you sit there, anyone will sit next to you, right, 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:34.120 And there's a few seats empty next to me, and 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:37.400 I can almost guarantee you this guy did not did 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:39.560 not have tickets to that seat just side to measle 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:41.320 on down there sitting next to me and just chew 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:43.480 my ear off for about three quarters of this game. 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:46.160 He left in the fourth quarter. So but here's exactly 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:48.400 what I had to deal with for three quarters. Now, 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:50.799 hang in there, because there's a little bit of a little. 0:02:50.560 --> 0:03:04.360 Bit of a recording, Philly, you would have the. 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:10.880 Ship. 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:16.640 Now that was literally a very small snippet of a 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:18.800 long time of hearing that in my ear, and it 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:21.040 wasn't just me, it was everyone around me too. And 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:24.360 this man, oh my gosh, would not He was after 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:26.840 the umpires, absolutely after it. He had smoked I think 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:29.200 three packs of cigarettes during the game. It was just 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:31.320 he almost spilt a beer on me at one point 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:34.160 because he was like just upset at some calling umpire had. 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:36.760 It was a rough three quarters, not only for the 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:38.840 full college football club, but also me in the stands 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:39.440 having to watch. 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:41.760 I would have loved to have seen you just matched 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:46.839 the energy, just what the hell umpire that has got 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:51.000 him around the neck can get along up the guts. 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:51.840 Top the guts. 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:54.840 I don't think I'll ever be that kind of supporter, 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.520 but that man, I've had that many tattoos, that much 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:00.800 missing teeth, and plenty of beers. He drained through the 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.440 whole game, and he probably enjoyed it. He probably had 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:05.440 a great time. Everyone around him did not have such 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:06.320 a great time with him there. 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:08.760 I'll say that it doesn't sound like he knew much, 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.400 like he knows the basics about what he's angry at. 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:15.120 But like Billy Frampton, what's he doing in the ruck? 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.119 This guy's standing next to you actually is injured also, 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.320 and that's why he's in the rock like. 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:23.400 That's the guy, he's the rockman. He's sitting in the stands. 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:26.400 Well. Speaking of ruckman, we'll go to the next one. 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:28.560 We had the Geelong Hawthorne game of the weekend and 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:31.800 there was some controversy that came out of this one. 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:33.880 This was big and I want to get your comments 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:37.680 on it, because you are a ruckman, but not only that, 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:41.039 I've seen you do this exact thing so many times. 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:45.679 So obviously Chris Scott comes out defends his man because 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.520 this has happened twice to Geelong ruckman's but this time 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:51.360 it was Blitzers going up to contest the ruck and 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:55.560 gets need in I guess like the stomach the rib area, 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:59.800 and goes down injured and he gets a free kick 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:03.760 and they pay advantage and they go on. Anyway, Chriscott 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:05.440 gets asked to address it at the end of the 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:08.159 game and he says, just stop doing it. You're not 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:10.240 allowed to do it. It shouldn't be part of the game. 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:13.680 Just stop doing it. What are your thoughts on there? 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:18.160 I respect Chris, I respect his opinion, but that nothing 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:21.160 comes good after that. I think that's good. If you're 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:23.560 in the center bounce, you get a knee to the 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:26.080 rim and you still get your hands to the ball 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:29.560 play on. That's the way I've always been told a 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:31.600 lot of times as ruckman. It's almost what can I 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:34.240 get away with more than rather oh I'm gonna, you know, 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:35.760 do this and get the ball. It's like, okay, well, 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:38.680 find maybe just get a little bit earlier contact, right. 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:40.040 So a lot of times you see a ball thrown 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:42.440 in and before the ball even actually leaves the umpire's 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.200 hand from the boundary, that ruckman already contact in contact, 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:48.800 engaging within two meters. So there's a lot of just okay, well, 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:50.920 I'm gonna I'm gonna put the pressure on you umpire 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:52.640 to essentially make a call here, and if you don't, 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:54.200 I'm going to keep doing this the rest of the game. 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:55.920 And a lot of a lot of umpires just let 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:57.680 it go. Like I couldn't tell you last time I 0:05:57.680 --> 0:05:59.280 heard early contact from an umpire. 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:00.719 I don't think I've ever heard about my career. 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.720 But there's things like even in center bounces where ruckman 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:06.680 step outside of the center circle before they go. Almost 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:08.839 every single ruckman does it, but I've never seen a 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:10.920 free kick from it, and there's little things like that. 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:12.440 The umpires just like oh, because they want the game 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:14.120 to play on. That's the way the AFL rules. But 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.080 this whole knee into someone like you have to be 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:18.600 able to find a way around it, right, So if 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:21.320 you look at the vision, Mark actually just tries to 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:21.800 look at him. 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:23.200 He doesn't even look at the ball. He doesn't even 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:23.640 look at the ball. 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:25.120 He looks at the Hawthorn player and tries to go 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:27.400 body him, and the Hawthorne player, probably thinking he's going 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:29.160 to go and jump into him, puts his knee up, 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:31.720 probably to protect him, but also try to match his 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:35.680 energy coming towards him to offset it. And Mark's just 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:37.520 coughed one in the ribs. He didn't put his knee 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:40.000 up to protect himself. Mark's not a he's not a rockman. 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:41.360 I love the guy, but he's not a ruckman. He's 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:43.120 not tol with you, rockman. He's a great player, don't 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.320 get me wrong, but I'll remember I played him. He 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:47.520 asked me if he asked the umpire in the center 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:49.839 bounce in the middle of a game, if you could 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:53.239 go inside the circle inside the center circle, Yeah, asked 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:55.440 for ruling in a game before center bouts about halfway 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:57.920 through the game. So I don't get me wrong, big 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.400 fan of Mark big slives, hey, big fan the forty 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:02.719 six over there a too long. But I think with 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:04.880 Ree Stanley out there's same thing as us. We're trying 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:07.520 to fill a role. And unfortunately, sometimes if you're nine 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:08.960 hundred scent sure where you can get away with and 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:10.600 what you can in the ck can't in the rock, 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:13.000 You're gonna be opened up for an injury, that's for sure. 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:15.560 Yeah, And I feel like, yeah, there's a few things 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.320 around that as well, like if both if Mark was 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:22.200 looking up like going to the cups and knee like, 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:26.360 maybe that's something different. But what when you are in 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.120 the ruck, what's what's your order that you go in? 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.320 So you look at the player first, then the ball, 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:34.000 you go the ball first, always over the player. 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:35.160 It depends on who you're playing. 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:37.960 So if Mark's coming across early like that, like I'm 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.440 probably realizing that he's trying to take my space. So 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:42.480 either I'm going to make him learn a lesson by 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:44.760 sticking knee into him, He's gonna essentially be blocking me 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:46.200 from being able to get to the ball, and I 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:49.280 look like I'm jumping or you try to essentially swim 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:50.720 move him, try to get around him, get to the 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:53.520 ball draft because Mark's not looking at where the ball's falling. 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:55.640 Mark's looking straight at the player and he's trying to 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:57.240 engage with them early and then he'll go find the 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.560 ball after. And to me, that should be a free 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.440 kick or we allow that because he's sitting there not 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:05.200 worried about the actual contest. He's trying to engage with 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:06.960 the player and then go find the ball later. Now, 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.480 people like Toby nan Curvis has been doing that for years, 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:11.160 like he comes across hard with a knee, and a 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:13.240 lot of other players do also. I think Toby's the 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:15.320 best at it, to be honest, but a lot of 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:17.239 players do it. No one's ever really had a problem 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:19.120 with it until now because there's a person who's not 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:21.480 a true rockman probably in that situation, who's a leader 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:23.400 of their team they need in the team at the moment, 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:25.400 and he's afraid that he gets injured. They're going to 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:27.800 lose someone that's valuable in their lineup. 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.040 And there's a coach shedding light on it. Do you 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.480 think it should have been a free kick in that instance? 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:35.120 To Blitzers, because he got one. 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:37.000 I don't think it should have been because he got 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:39.199 his hands to the ball. He actually got the hit out, 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:41.880 like it was. I think it was Meek. I want 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:42.959 to say it was in there with him. I want 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:45.240 to say it was he actually got the hit out. 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:47.920 So Mark came across too early trying to make contact. 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:50.080 Meek said, Okay, well, I'm just gonna stick my knee up, 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:52.120 protecting himself because you got to think the ball falls 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:53.720 back on your head. You put your knee up because 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:55.520 if someone's trying to jump on you to get the ball, 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:57.559 that's the only way to really protect yourself if the 0:08:57.600 --> 0:08:59.520 ball's falling over your head because the umpires can't send 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:02.520 or bounce it. So to me, if you sit there 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:03.960 and say, oh, we're not allowed to put our knees 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:05.800 up anymore, then like, what's the point of the rock contest. 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:07.040 We might as well just have a ball up in the. 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:09.000 Middle of it, like a jump ball in basketball. 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:10.319 Essentially, that's what's going to turn into. 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:13.240 Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what the reaction is 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.600 out of this if we see more free kicks paid, 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:17.840 because you do see a lot of ruckmen running in 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:19.240 with their knee up and. 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:21.600 What's jumping with your knee. That's how it is. Protect yourself. 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.560 And that's why, like, that's why they wear shinguards, like 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:26.440 because you know that someone's going to be trying to 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:29.560 literally injure you, which is what he was doing to 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:31.880 Mark Bissives. And then if they're still going for the 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.200 ball and getting up like you might break a rib, 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:36.439 like I've broken ribs And I actually whenever I had 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:38.760 my spleen do like whenever that happened, and went in 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:40.079 and got a scan. The guy goes, oh, do you 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:41.760 know you've broken this rib before? And I said no, 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.719 I didn't realize it, because yeah, you've had at least 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:46.120 a break or a crack or something in here. 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:47.640 Well, it was a crazy game. 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:50.720 You can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:53.560 That's that's good. I would clip that one up. 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:54.559 Thank you. I appreciate it. 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:57.240 But it was a crazy game. And another crazy game 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:01.120 from Jeremy Cameron, who I think you twenty two touches, 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:04.560 kicked seven goals, one killed an umpire. He did it 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.920 all out there. It was nuts. Like it's gonna be 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:09.880 a weird one because I feel like he should be 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:13.640 leading the brown Low, but there is some merit in 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.199 if your team's losing games, you probably shouldn't get the three. 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:19.520 Like I feel like you should be in the maybe 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:21.720 in the votes if you're like right up there. But 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:24.560 if you do a hell of a lot but your 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:28.199 team loses, I don't see that you should be getting 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:29.600 the three. But he's got to be. 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:31.640 If you're kicking seven in a game, you best be 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:32.440 getting three. 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:35.360 Oh yeah, seven goals in the game, and you're not 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:37.360 getting three votes. Like, I don't know who's getting better, 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:39.120 Like who's doing better than that? Maybe you've won by 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:41.360 one hundred points and whoever's in the midfield just dominating 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:44.040 giving it to you. But Jeremy Cameron plays all over 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:47.560 the ground, Like this guy is the most multipurpose athlete. 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:48.839 I feel like that's out there at the moment in 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:52.400 the AFL, And if he's not leading the Brownlow race 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:54.120 right now, is one of the most valuable players in 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:56.720 the league. I seriously have no idea who And it 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:58.199 just proves that it's a midfield or war. 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.440 Yeah, but that's what I like, one hundred percent winning 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:06.720 probably the MVP players vote, coaches Award, like everything. It's 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:08.960 just the yeah, the brown line is just different. But 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:11.400 there's no way he didn't get the votes yesterday because 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:14.320 he's getting more goals than any forward and more touches 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:18.040 in their midfields. Like, it's just nuts. And they would 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:20.920 have been up shit Creek in the first half if 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:24.320 he had not been playing. Were you about to push 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:26.000 the panic button at about half time? 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:27.360 Half to I looked at it. 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:29.160 That was like, Sherily gin Along is just gonna thump 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:32.520 hawthorn here, right, but halfway cort too them there they 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:35.000 were up at halftime. I was like, oh my gosh, 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:38.880 this might be panic stations for Geelong. And then of 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:41.280 course two quarters later Gelong comes back and kicks about 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:42.360 one hundred and twenty points. 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.679 So Geelong, you know. 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:46.400 We've talked about it and a lot of people who 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:48.720 are kind of in this situation of winning panic buttons 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:50.839 for Geelong, and I've always been a fan of them, 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.120 so I've always kind of said, don't push panic buttons. 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:54.880 They've had a few injuries, all this kind of stuff, right, 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.160 I think now this might be the one spark that 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:00.320 gives them the momentum to keep going forward. 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:03.960 Yeah, I mean maybe they were a little delayed preseason 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:06.600 everyone's talking about it, which I don't really get because 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:08.320 the one guy that said that he was having a 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:11.240 pretty chill preseasons coming out and having twenty two touches 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:12.120 kicking seven. 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:14.400 Ft maybe the keys just a smash beers left, right 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:15.160 and center and knackers. 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:18.600 It's ridiculous. I don't The thing that I hate about 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.960 this is you get players to have a podcast, to 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:25.560 have a voice, to have personality. All the media, all 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:27.520 the fans are like, we want to have a voice, 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:29.920 we want personality out of the players, and then they 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:32.880 say they give you a little fucking breadcrumb, and then 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:36.360 you jump on them, Oh what's that you were relaxing 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:39.040 over the off season. You gotta do three six five 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:44.320 play footy. Shut up, Shut up up. Now we go 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:46.079 back to pressure because I want to I want to 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:49.800 get your opinion on, like more on this Kenny Hinkley stuff. 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:51.920 I feel like you went through it a bit with 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:55.439 like Bucks. When Bucks was coaching, it was just NonStop 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:57.800 pressure on Bucks. Every win was like you get a 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:00.679 little release of the valve and you got to take 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:02.400 a breath for a week and then the next week 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.679 is like right on again. How hard is it not 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.120 only for like I'm sure you would have seen it 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.960 on the coach. Yeah, but how much is a way 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:12.839 on the plane group and like we got to win 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:15.920 every week to like do this for our coach or 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:18.240 like to take the pressure off here. 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:20.400 Yeah, it's like, I mean, we're all on it together, 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:22.360 you know, so whenever he cops it, like we all 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:24.680 want to back him up and for a long time 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:26.360 because of I think not only that. 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:27.320 He was obviously head coach. 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:29.800 He's got that huge, you know, history with the club, 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:31.800 and everyone expects greatness from him because he was such 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:35.560 a great player, and it would probably put extra pressure 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.560 on him just from the fan standpoint of what they expected. 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:42.360 And as players, it's just it's tough because you know, 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:44.600 like he's having to sit there and face up to 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:46.400 the media every single week because he has media commitments 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:48.000 as a coach, so he's having to face those questions 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:50.839 every single week. Whereas players, we can just kind of say, okay, 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:52.120 we don't want to face the media and we don't 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:54.120 get asked those questions. But like as a coach, you 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.520 you can't just disappear like you have to be in 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:58.040 front of the camera and answer those things. 0:13:58.080 --> 0:13:59.240 So it's tough. 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:00.760 To see that, and like, I think, more than anything, 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:02.560 whenever you do see a coach under pressure like that, 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:05.120 it just makes you want to win that much more 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:07.719 so then you can see him be able to talk 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:10.480 about something positive and not have to answer the questions 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:13.120 about someone saying something negative or trying to to like, 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:14.680 you know, try to catch them off in some way 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:16.120 and try to get some kind of the quote out 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:17.440 of them. 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:18.640 Yeah, it was tough. 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:20.960 I've obviously been through the kind of Bucks era and 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:24.360 stuff now into the Craig era, and it's interesting how 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:28.080 different they probably treat the two people. Like Craig's not 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:31.320 he's not probably a media personality before he came into 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:33.920 the Callingwood job and obviously being a Collingwood coach, it's 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:37.240 a massive, massive responsibility and you know a lot of 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.680 criticism comes with it. But it was weird how different 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:43.840 the media probably treats those two people. Yeah, and now 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:45.600 Bus is in the media, so it's kind of he's 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:47.800 probably now on the other side seeing it from a 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:50.920 different perspective with that, But. 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:56.320 Just jumping in, did you see or feel, like physically 0:14:56.400 --> 0:15:00.880 feel that the pressure difference, because like Bucks coming in 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:05.600 had pressure. The changeover from like the Mick into Bucks 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:09.360 was like messy, and then obviously Bucks being like this, 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:13.440 like the son of Collingwood, like this massive figure, had 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:16.280 all this pressure on him from the jump, and then 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:18.520 I felt like that just carried the whole way through. 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:23.200 When Fly started the first time in a long time, 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:25.440 it just felt like like all the pressure was out 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:28.800 the window and you could really have just a like 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:30.000 a free run at it. 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:32.240 Yeah, well Fly kind of started fresh because we had 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:34.440 gotten rid of a lot of players. So I think 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:36.160 that was one thing where Mick obviously he was coming 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:39.120 out of a successful little period there, and Nathan took over, 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:42.920 and yeah, I don't know, it's like it's a weird 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:44.720 one because I think one thing also to add on 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:47.440 to this is Bucks never won a Grand Final, and 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:50.080 I think people always wanted to see him at the 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:52.360 ultimate success of winning a Grand Final, and they thought 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:54.520 maybe this coaching was another opportunity obviously for him to 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:56.800 be able to do that. So I think everyone was 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:58.680 just put that pressure on him to be able to 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.400 do that, and everyone not in a bad way. Everyone 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:03.040 just wanted to see him be successful at the top 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:04.760 of the top, you know, the top er echelon, and 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:06.760 be able to get that finally, you know, get that 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:10.240 metal and unfortunately never worked out. And I think people 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.840 always just like not I guess like they just want 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:14.840 to see it as success to him, which is a 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:17.440 positive and such a great thing, but they also put 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:19.840 that pressure on him because they want to see that. 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:21.840 That also added pressure to the whole situation. 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:25.920 So yeah, I think that was probably tough to deal with, 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:27.720 I imagine from his standpoint. I mean, like he has 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.360 been such a successful player, and you know, I think about, 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:32.360 you know, the things I've been able to experience them 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:34.360 all lifetime, my footy career and stuff, and you always 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.200 look back to other players that probably have never been 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.680 able to experience that, and you have to be happy 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.680 with the experiences you have had, but also be motivated 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:46.520 to have better experiences going forward. And yeah, I don't know, 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:48.440 maybe he comes back coaching at one point, maybe gets 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:49.120 another chance of that. 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:49.880 I'm not really sure. 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:53.360 But Nathan's one of those people always kind of, you know, 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:55.360 wish the best for He's a he's a person that's 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.160 done so much for the sport, so much for the league, 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.960 and he's one of those special talents that are kind 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:03.360