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Speaker 1: Three sixty with Katie Wolf. Join the conversation with Katie Wolf.

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Speaker 1: You are our eyes and ears in the territory Mix

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Speaker 1: one oh four point nine.

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Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one oh four point nine

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Speaker 2: and it's Tuesday morning and will with thanks to Kolano

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Speaker 2: Community Association and Aboriginal Loaned operated and community lead organization

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Speaker 2: from the top End to Tenant Creek, it is time

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Speaker 2: for the big issues and joining us in the studio,

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Speaker 2: We've got Dave Tolner, Good.

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Speaker 3: Morning, Good morning, Katie. Great to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Great to see you this morning. And we've also got

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Speaker 2: Damian Hale, Good morning to you.

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Speaker 4: Hayley.

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Speaker 5: Good Katie, how are you very good?

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Speaker 4: Great, great to have you both in the studio.

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Speaker 2: Before we get to some of the big issues that

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Speaker 2: are happening around the nation, and there is quite a

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Speaker 2: few of them in fact, today, I do want to

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Speaker 2: just have a chat to you both about this situation

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Speaker 2: at the Winnelli supermarket overnight about seven thirty. As I

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Speaker 2: understand it happened a Darwin shop owner well, she had

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Speaker 2: to be taken to hospital after she was injured during

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Speaker 2: a supermarket robbery. Watch commander told Matti Hipworth on the show.

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Speaker 2: A little bit earlier, about seven twenty, staff at when

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Speaker 2: Ellie's Supermarket noticed two men had entered the store and

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Speaker 2: were acting suspiciously. They've then picked up a carton of

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Speaker 2: Carlton Dry and moved to the payment desk. They were

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Speaker 2: asked for their ID, which they didn't have at this time.

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Speaker 2: The fifty four year old owner placed herself some distance

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Speaker 2: behind the two males as she and she had a

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Speaker 2: They just completely boulder over. We just caught up with

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Speaker 2: her husband, Wayne, as you would imagine. You know, she's

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Speaker 2: pretty worse, definitely worse for wear today, and I think

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Speaker 2: they're just all pretty shaken.

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Speaker 3: Oh look, it's dreadful, absolutely dreadful of my elected office

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Speaker 3: used to be in that shopping center. Of course, I

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Speaker 3: know Wayne and his wife very very well. They're incredibly

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Speaker 3: tough people, that whole family. And I saw the video

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Speaker 3: footage and it's absolutely disgraceful what happened there. But you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean that this is one of the characteristics of

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Speaker 3: a labor government. You have an outbreaking crime. It's just

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Speaker 3: it's disgraceful.

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Speaker 2: Well, he actually touched on some of the different measures

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Speaker 2: that they've gone to in terms of making sure that

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Speaker 2: they are serving people responsibly.

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Speaker 4: When it comes to our.

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Speaker 3: Scol they're very responsible, and they're also very tough on

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Speaker 3: people who are shoplifting and that sort of stuff. They

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Speaker 3: used to have a board there with descriptions of all

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Speaker 3: the people that have been being from their shop.

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Speaker 4: Still got it, I think, yep.

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Speaker 3: They've got a lot of security cameras and all of

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Speaker 3: that sort of stuff, not just in the shop but

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Speaker 3: around the whole shopping center. You know, they're very very vigilant,

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Speaker 3: and still things like this happen.

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Speaker 6: Well, just the lack of respect isn't there, And it's

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Speaker 6: not about labor, like I love the way Dave just

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Speaker 6: always goes straight to labor. And there's plenty of other crime

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Speaker 6: in seats and states held by the other side of.

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Speaker 3: Politics, But the crime rates are going down there.

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Speaker 6: Well, we don't always see that the crime figures are

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Speaker 6: saying that it's going up.

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Speaker 3: Or I also get underlay. But that's my point.

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Speaker 5: Well, you're wrong, David.

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Speaker 6: I'm sure that I can go back over twenty and twelve,

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Speaker 3: Everything went down the economy. When the economy went up,

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Speaker 6: Down, Government services went down and.

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Speaker 3: Has become much more efficient.

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Speaker 5: That's wrong too.

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Speaker 3: I think there's speaking.

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Speaker 4: There is no doubt at the moment. I think that

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Speaker 2: We actually talked through the crime status yesterday and we

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Speaker 2: alcohol related offenses. And I think that for a lot

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Speaker 4: This is public drinking.

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Speaker 2: We've spoken to convat Scalis, the Lord Mayor about that

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Speaker 4: Out in that space.

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Speaker 2: However you look at it, I don't know why, but

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Speaker 2: how you know if they are on the band drinker.

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming that it's through that secondary supply, but I

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Speaker 2: don't know what the answers are.

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Speaker 3: And this is the point, but isn't it Katie. You know,

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Speaker 3: in the last twenty years, we've seen an elevation in

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Speaker 3: requirements to buy and sell alcohol. There's all sorts of

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Speaker 3: you know, Dan Murphy has taken what six seven eight

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Speaker 3: there's flaw prices in place, there's the BDR, we had

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Speaker 3: met entitry alcohol rehab, and yet things just seem to

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Speaker 3: get worse. And the more you seem to do to

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Speaker 3: prevent things, the worse things seem to get. And sooner

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Speaker 3: or later, I think somewhere along the line, we've got

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Speaker 4: I don't know how, Like, I don't know what we

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Speaker 3: You're started punishing the criminals, not the community. See all

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Speaker 3: of these measures that have been put in place basically

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Speaker 3: punish the community. But the people who are mistreating alcohol

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Speaker 3: and all of that sort of stuff are still getting

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Speaker 5: You know, addiction day.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is what I mean. You know, we really

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Speaker 3: hardly tried mandatory rehabilitation. Everyone says, oh, it doesn't work,

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Speaker 3: it's you know, it's cruel, it's this, and it's that,

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Speaker 5: Adventure into place Dave And what did it?

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Speaker 3: You know, like I said, you can't have it.

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Speaker 6: You can still about the people that are actually coming

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Speaker 3: This is the point that the invention has been stopped

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Speaker 3: in the intervention. The intervention, that was the point. The

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Speaker 3: You know, the rule of law has never applied out there.

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Speaker 3: And yet we've still got all of these restrictions on

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Speaker 5: It's a federal intervention.

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Speaker 6: And you've been and the Liberal parties the government for

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Speaker 6: ten years, so you know, I know that you like

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Speaker 3: Just labor for being soft on crime.

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Speaker 6: But I'm saying that the interventions remained in place under

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Speaker 6: that they need to We need to look at how

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Speaker 6: do we address alcohol in the communities, because they're still

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Speaker 3: Phenomenal amount of money for more government is being spent

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Speaker 3: the whole time, and the problems are only getting work.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, we are going to move along because there's

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Speaker 2: a lot to cover off on this morning, and I

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Speaker 2: this morning, we know that Scott Morrison has launched a

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Speaker 2: wide ranging Royal commission into veteran suicides, examining the human

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Speaker 2: cost of defense service, including transition to civilian life, family pressures,

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Speaker 2: welfare services and future employment prospects. The Prime Minister had

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Speaker 2: previously resisted a Royal commission in favor of a permanent commissioner.

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Speaker 4: For veteran suicides. That's what that said.

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Speaker 2: The inquiry woodmark the beginning of a new healing process

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Speaker 2: for former defense personnel and their families. We just caught

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Speaker 2: up with Labour's Member for Solomon, Luke Gosling, a seat

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Speaker 4: Of you have held over the years, and I know

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Speaker 4: that he's.

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Speaker 2: Been doing quite a bit of work and certainly speaking

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Speaker 2: to a lot of those families that have been impacted,

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Speaker 2: there is no doubt that we've got a real issue

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Speaker 2: in Australia with veteran suicide and it is something that

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Speaker 2: we really do need to take a closer look into,

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Speaker 2: I think, to try to help our defense personnel to

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Speaker 6: Well, the combat combat role in the Afghanistans finished, and

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Speaker 6: I think we lost forty one troops in action and

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Speaker 5: Suicide rates in Australia are.

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Speaker 6: High anyway, for you know, for as good as our

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Speaker 6: it's you know, it's embarrassing to have such a high

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Speaker 6: this for a long time. You know, Scott Morrison's dragged

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Speaker 6: time to criticize the Prime ministry. He's finally got on

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Speaker 6: you know, I commend Luke for his work over a

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Speaker 6: I'll be interesting to see what comes out of it

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Speaker 6: and how we can transition people away from being combat

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Speaker 6: are struggling to do it, and even on even people

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Speaker 6: suicide from the services.

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Speaker 5: So I think it's it's well and truly professional.

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Speaker 3: That lent Katie was the wounded snail.

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Speaker 5: But Morrison's just dragged himself. But Morrison drags himself on everything.

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Speaker 5: Look at our vaccine roll out, how he's gone.

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Speaker 6: With talk about that the original wounded snail.

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Speaker 3: A couple of things in relation to this week defense.

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Speaker 3: I was really thrilled with the decision of Peter Dutton

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Speaker 3: to reinstate the medals of all of those people who

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Speaker 3: served in Afghanistan. I think that was well and truly

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Speaker 3: worth doing and he'll he'll get a lot of applause

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Speaker 3: in the community and in defense for that. In relation

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Speaker 3: to this Royal commission, look, you know my question is

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Speaker 3: why couldn't we just have an inquiry or has everything

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Speaker 3: got to be a royal commission these days? Royal commissions

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Speaker 3: looking for some sort of a political outcome. Then they

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Speaker 3: Royal commission was almost at once in a lifetime thing.

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Speaker 5: A Royal commission into don Dale.

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Speaker 3: We've had, like I said, I've been done to death

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Speaker 2: All seriousness that actually wanted the same thing. Because I

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Speaker 3: I think Scotty Morrison in this case is just carved

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Speaker 4: Well, jin, I do you think it's sad.

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Speaker 2: I actually think he had to listen to the families

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Speaker 3: The cause, the families of those defense personnel are always

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Speaker 3: the most extreme measure, you know. Nial mind should sit

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Speaker 3: there and say all right, look, this is an issue

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Speaker 3: we want to we want to look into it. Let's

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Speaker 3: have a wide ranging inquiry. We're talking about how.

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Speaker 2: Many we are talking about how many young Australians, young

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Speaker 4: This is it?

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Speaker 3: Well, well, look that's your call, Katie. I think you

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Speaker 5: As a father.

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Speaker 6: It's the biggest worry you have, and I'm constantly pestering

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Speaker 3: It's a dreadful thing to have to deal with through. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well look and if there is anybody out there listening

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Speaker 2: get in contact with Lifeline on thirteen eleven fourteen where

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Speaker 2: you are going to take a very short break. You

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Speaker 2: Issues are proudly brought to you by Kolano Community Association,

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Speaker 1: Hello, Katie Wolf and three point sixty online at Mixed

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Speaker 1: one O four nine dot com.

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Speaker 4: In the studio with me this morning for the big issues.

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Speaker 4: We have got Dave Tolner and Damian Hale.

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Speaker 2: Now an interesting story which has come to lies on

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Speaker 2: news dot com a little earlier this week, Working class Australians,

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Speaker 2: the very foundation of the Labor Party are abandoning well,

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Speaker 2: apparently they're abandoning the ALP in droves because they think

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Speaker 2: the party has been overrunned by woke ideals and white collar,

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Speaker 2: university educated Europees. Private research commissioned by the New South

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Speaker 2: by the left this week, has found a quarter of

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Speaker 2: union members surveyed no longer vote Labor, and a further

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Speaker 2: thirty five percent reported decreasing support for the party. Incredibly,

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Speaker 2: almost one in five said the liber Party better represented

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Speaker 4: The document, exclusively obtained.

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Speaker 2: By news dot com dot Au, confirmed what many in

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Speaker 2: among blue collar voters, Labor is perceived as elitist and

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Speaker 4: So I'm not sure if I want to know what

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Speaker 2: The research laws commissioned by the New South Wales ETU

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Speaker 2: before it's left wing takeover, and conducted by a firm

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Speaker 2: secretary cos Samaras I believe is how you pronounce it.

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Speaker 3: So this clearly got his finger on the pulse. Interesting.

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Speaker 6: It's a good opportunity for the left to sit down

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Speaker 6: with the left leader, isn't it in Anthony Albanezi, and

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Speaker 6: to have a talk about.

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Speaker 3: So Albos already caved. I't know. This week you might

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Speaker 3: have noticed that they've now announced their end of our

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Speaker 3: position to coal. They're actually going to allow the approval

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Speaker 5: They might sound actually listening to the left unions.

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Speaker 3: So we're listening to the.

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Speaker 5: Can I just make this point, all right?

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Speaker 6: There is no group of workers in Australia in the

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Speaker 6: union than electricians.

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Speaker 5: Electricians who have become millionaires.

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Speaker 4: All right, No, let me finish union man.

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Speaker 6: I know, and I'm saying the ETU have represented the

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Speaker 6: I was on the impact site, I saw what electricians

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Speaker 6: all right, so they're getting paid too much. They've got

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Speaker 6: We don't like woe. What I would say to those

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Speaker 6: ETU members is, don't forget where you come from, all right.

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Speaker 6: The ETU has been a very effective member of union

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Speaker 6: getting paid. Let me finish da Do you like getting

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Speaker 6: on your high horse? So it's not the bosses that

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Speaker 6: you've got a union like the ETU that's gone in

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Speaker 6: should know their vote should go to labor every day

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Speaker 3: Said it better.

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Speaker 2: Instead of being highly offended by this, shouldn't should labor

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Speaker 2: maybe just take a step back for a second and go, well.

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Speaker 3: Cilly McManus couldn't have said it better than Harley just did?

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Speaker 3: I mean? That was the best it should be still

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Speaker 6: That was the best the cat in his opening statements

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Speaker 6: that tell you that there has to be conversations transition,

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Speaker 6: let's go back to let's.

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Speaker 3: Go back to the original argument. And look, and I

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Speaker 3: with this new wokeness that's taking over the whole union

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Speaker 3: They're about jobs and wages and all of that sort

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Speaker 5: Woke, Dave.

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Speaker 4: Let we don't have enough time.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's almost canes of culture and all this sort

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Speaker 3: all of that sort of justice, social justice, equality. The

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Speaker 5: For women.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's right. Instead of getting back to the

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Speaker 3: what the job A real government is about your sort

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Speaker 5: Economy.

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Speaker 6: Woke you just if somebody's got a social justice position,

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Speaker 5: If somebody somebody wants women to get equal and equal

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Speaker 3: Deal with definitely, he's got nobody's got an issue with

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Speaker 3: women getting equal paid. He's got an issue with looking

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Speaker 3: after the environment. Nobody's got an issue.

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Speaker 5: With looking at look after the environment.

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Speaker 3: But people mental problem and want to you know, blakes

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Speaker 3: we're all sympathetic to that. We're going to see all

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Speaker 3: And I think that's what most people have had a

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Speaker 3: it's on eggshells these days.

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Speaker 2: They are serious issues and there is doubt about it.

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Speaker 4: We don't have to keep it.

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Speaker 6: Break fuel at the moment's a dollar forty your leader, right,

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Speaker 6: And sometimes I'm out at home, I'm in when they're mean.

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Speaker 6: I'm thinking to I really want to use the fuel

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Speaker 6: days like today, I know that it's well worth a

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Speaker 3: I don't mind.

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Speaker 5: I'd pay four dollars a leader if it's not that

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Speaker 5: I got to hang out with this blake. She is

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Speaker 5: certainly opposite to wa.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, we are going to have to leave it there.

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Speaker 3: Can I just say this weekend is insect day? Course,

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Speaker 3: I reckon it's great the way Australians embrace remembering your

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Speaker 3: and I do a thing with the Freemasons or the

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Speaker 3: Freemasons do a thing every xact day at the hall

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Speaker 3: this year at starting at twelve thirty, they're having a

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Speaker 3: stew and damper followed by a small ceremony of remembrance

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Speaker 3: few opportunities people get to go into the Freemasons Hall too,

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Speaker 3: so anyone that wants to turn up is more so.

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Speaker 3: Later on a Catholic.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for so much. Thank you a pleasure, good,

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Speaker 2: thanks so much. That was the big issues and the

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Speaker 2: big issues that are proudly brought to you, of course

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Speaker 2: by Kolano Community Association and they are an Aboriginal owned, operated,

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