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Speaker 1: Jumb mission with Jones and Amanda Well.

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Speaker 2: Our next guest is a former homicide detective. He said,

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Speaker 2: thirty four years in the New South Wales Police Force,

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Speaker 2: twenty five years in homicide.

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Speaker 3: He's certainly seen some things.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 3: Now he's hitting a road with a live tour. He's

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Speaker 3: joining us now, Gary jubilin, Hello, good morning.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever imagine when you were working as a

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Speaker 2: homicide detective that you'd be a best selling author, you'd

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Speaker 2: host a podcast and you tour the.

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Speaker 3: Country with a live show. It seems like quite a tangent.

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Speaker 1: I still don't quite believe it. I think I'll wake

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Speaker 1: up soon I'll be heading off to a crime scene.

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Speaker 1: It's bizarre. I joined the police to be a policeman

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Speaker 1: and I've found my way here. But life does take

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Speaker 1: its twists and turns, and I like taking challenges and

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Speaker 1: I certainly find him.

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Speaker 4: That it would be hard, though, because you didn't expect

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Speaker 4: to not be a policeman anymore, did you.

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Speaker 1: No. I thought I'd see my career out as that

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Speaker 1: was where I had my passion and my energy and interest.

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Speaker 1: But circumstances changed in rather a dramatic way for myself

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Speaker 1: that people said to me, how are you going to

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Speaker 1: deal with this? And I could walk around zulking. I thought, no,

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Speaker 1: it gives me an opportunity to move on and try

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Speaker 1: other things.

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Speaker 2: For those that don't know the story, Gary, what were

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Speaker 2: those circumstances.

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Speaker 1: I've been in the police for thirty four years, the

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Speaker 1: New South Wales Police, and I was heading up the

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Speaker 1: William Tyrrell investigation. I took that over six months, five

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Speaker 1: or six months after William disappeared. That's a young boy

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Speaker 1: on the mid North Coast three that disappeared in the

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Speaker 1: Spider Man. So I ran the investigation for four years

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Speaker 1: and then allegations were made against me that, of all things,

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Speaker 1: I recorded a conversation when I was speaking to a

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Speaker 1: person in relation to William's disappearance on my telephone. There's

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Speaker 1: I could go into a lot about that. But subsequently

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Speaker 1: I resigned from the police because I was sidelined from

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Speaker 1: William's investigation and sat in an office for three months

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Speaker 1: and I made a decision that I'll leave, and around

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Speaker 1: that time I was charged and convicted at court. I

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Speaker 1: still maintained that I did nothing wrong and that I

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Speaker 1: had a lawful reason to record the conversations, but that's

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Speaker 1: the dramatic end. So the last weekend in the policing,

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Speaker 1: I flew up to Tamworth where two police officers have

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Speaker 1: been shot, and then on Tuesday it was that sort

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Speaker 1: of give me a gun, give me your bad, you're

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Speaker 1: out of here type thing.

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Speaker 4: That must be so hard because I guess in the

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Speaker 4: police force there is there's so much red tape when

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Speaker 4: you and when you see TV shows about police drama shows,

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Speaker 4: it's always like I've got to do this, and then

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Speaker 4: they're always going above the law to do it by

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Speaker 4: whatever means. But that's not the case. And as you

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Speaker 4: in the way the eyes of the law, you went

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Speaker 4: above the law recording this suspect.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, I maintained that I had a lawful right.

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Speaker 1: I was speaking to a person on my own and

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Speaker 1: fairly dramatic circumstances that I recorded. That those conversations, theres

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Speaker 1: four of them in case allegations were made against me,

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Speaker 1: because it wasn't going to be a friendly conversation. And

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Speaker 1: I might just point out that there were authorized listening

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Speaker 1: devices in the premises at the time that were issued

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Speaker 1: by Supreme Court judges, so it wasn't I was doing

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Speaker 1: police work. And I think that's the thing that frustrates

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Speaker 1: me that I was doing police work trying to find

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Speaker 1: out what happened to Wim and always came down on me.

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Speaker 4: Do you think we'll ever find out what happened to William?

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Speaker 4: Are we close to it?

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Speaker 1: I'd like to think so. And you know, people ask me,

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Speaker 1: if you stayed on it would have yourselved that. You

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Speaker 1: can't answer that definitively, But I was following in a

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Speaker 1: direction I was during on all my experiences investigating homicides

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Speaker 1: for twenty five years, and I was confident we were approaching

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Speaker 1: it the right way. Having said that, I think, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we can't accept that a three year old child can

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Speaker 1: just disappear in circumstances like we disappeared without answers, like

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Speaker 1: the families need answers and the community needs answers, and

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Speaker 1: I think we all should be judged if we can't

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Speaker 1: solve it exactly.

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Speaker 2: You have a podcast called I Catch Killers, true crime podcast.

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Speaker 3: You would view lots of people.

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Speaker 2: Criminologists, bad guys, lawyers, forensic experts, And with your live show,

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Speaker 2: will it be similar? Will you be talking about about

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Speaker 2: various cases, if cases are open like the or active

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Speaker 2: like the wind material case.

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Speaker 3: Can you give us some insights into those things.

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Speaker 1: I'll give insights. And I've still got that little bit

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Speaker 1: of policeman in me that they will protect police methodology

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Speaker 1: and the things that I talk about, things that are

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Speaker 1: on public public record, that we will. And I'm doing

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Speaker 1: the show with Rob Carlton. I don't know if you.

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Speaker 3: Actually Rob Carton love him legend?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well he's a good maid of mine. I've

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Speaker 1: known him for twenty years. And so I'll be on

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Speaker 1: stage with Rob, who's a professional actor and he knows

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Speaker 1: me well, and so he's going to be probing and

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Speaker 1: getting stuff out of me and sort of doing it

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Speaker 1: without a safety net.

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Speaker 4: And do you have a stock of your trademark black suits?

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Speaker 4: Do you have like six or seven of those things?

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Speaker 4: Or what happens?

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Speaker 1: Then? Yeah, I'll look into the wardrobe that night and

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Speaker 1: I wonder what they'll wear.

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Speaker 4: You'll be going with the black or the off black

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Speaker 4: or the certain black, whatever black suit you wear will

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Speaker 4: be fired. Tickets go on sale from Wednesday, the sixteenth

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Speaker 4: of June, that's next week from ticket tech dot com

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Speaker 4: dot you to see Gary Jubilan and of course our

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Speaker 4: good mate Rob Carden Thank you for joining us

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Speaker 1: Jeers guys, thanks for having me on Jonesy and Amanda's