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Speaker 2: You may go down the path and realize, oh damn,

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Speaker 2: this actually wasn't for me, But through that process, I've

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mondonara Bail.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of the Black Magical Woman Podcast.

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Speaker 1: We're here on the beautiful land of the Yager and

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Speaker 1: Terrible People and at the amazing iHeart Studios. Big shout

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Speaker 1: out to iheartf basically host us and letting me bring

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Speaker 1: community into these deadly spaces. So yeah, big shout out

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Speaker 1: to Jack and Meil and everyone behind the scenes that

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Speaker 1: make this happen. I have done something that's kind of

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Speaker 1: out of the normal for me. It's not a normal

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Speaker 1: day in the office. Today I was able to come

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Speaker 1: up to Brisbane and meet some incredible deadly Blackfellows, First

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Speaker 1: an absolute treat. You're getting two for the price of

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Speaker 1: one today. It's an amazing episode and it's to really

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Speaker 1: promote and support the work of Culture is Life, in

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Speaker 1: particular the Followship program. So joining me on the show today,

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Speaker 1: you please share with our listeners and we've got viewers

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Speaker 3: So my name is Kobe Sellings.

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Speaker 4: I'm a proud Gunny kern Iman from Southeast Victoria in

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to find out some of those passions,

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Speaker 1: in particular, what led you to applying for the Fellowship program.

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Speaker 1: We've had a lot of mob that listened to this program.

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Speaker 1: I did say earlier that there's about one hundred and

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Speaker 1: thirty Aboriginal radio stations across the country, and we're hoping

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Speaker 1: I'm going to come back to you, Kobe joel over

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Speaker 1: So I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about the opportunity, like

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Speaker 1: And if you wasn't part of this fellowship program, you

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Speaker 1: You never know what opportunity is, what the future, you

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Speaker 1: You're welcome. I can't wait for you to hear. We've

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