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Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was, And you

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Speaker 1: can hear them already in the background. They're proudly also

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Speaker 1: Business and various other things, Mary Claire booth Be good

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Speaker 1: morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you on the show. We've also got

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Speaker 1: the Independent member for Goid, Kezi Epuric. Good morning to you, Kezier.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Katie, Good morning to rural bush people.

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Speaker 1: We've also got Natasha Philes, the Health Minister and the

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Speaker 1: Minister for Tourism.

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Speaker 4: Good morning to you morning.

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Speaker 5: And that was Kezy and making all the noise in

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Speaker 1: She's always she's a naughty one. You've got to keep

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Speaker 1: an eye on our Kezier Puric.

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Speaker 3: Now I follow John Devold on Instagram because I think

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Speaker 3: he's gorgeous. He's my favorite favoritist of actors. He's now

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Speaker 4: Oh no, I love. Just make sure he's not a

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Speaker 1: Make sure it's the real one. All right, let's get

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Speaker 1: into her. There is a lot to cover off on

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Speaker 1: this morning, but I do want to well, I want

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Speaker 1: to go firstly to the situation with the Palmerston Palmiston

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Speaker 1: Regional Hospital. We know that there is now going to

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Speaker 1: We're being told by the Health Department that they are

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Speaker 1: constantly evaluated to ensure the service models and management operations

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Speaker 1: the hospitals is ongoing and comprises of three phases. The

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Speaker 1: first phase is in draft with actions being implemented, including

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Speaker 1: level of specialist emergency medicine services. There is also an

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Speaker 1: enhanced nursing recruitment strategy is in place, which will be

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Speaker 1: clinical services and models of care at the Palmerston Regional Hospital,

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Speaker 1: including during the COVID nineteen response. Three will assess ongoing

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Speaker 1: operations and the strategic direction of Palmerston Regional Hospital. Now,

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Speaker 1: obviously this can't come soon enough. We've been talking at

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Speaker 1: length about this on this show. I think that it's

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Speaker 4: It's something that we are constantly receiving calls and messages.

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Speaker 1: About and we know that there's a lot of work

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Speaker 1: to happen in this space. Firstly, Natasha, I know that

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Speaker 1: at Palmerston Regional Hospital.

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Speaker 4: But with this review, is that indeed on the cards.

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Speaker 5: No, we're really proud that we built the Palmeston Regional Hospital.

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Speaker 5: It's an important asset not only for the people of

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Speaker 5: at the hospital emergency attendance figures, they've risen by thirty

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Speaker 5: What this is doing is this is looking at how

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Speaker 5: we can best utilize those health resources. How the two

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Speaker 5: two campuses, how they can interact and best deliver that care.

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Speaker 1: So how many beds are currently operational? I know I

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Speaker 5: So, Katie, it's a twenty four bed emergency department in

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Speaker 5: But Katie, those beds operational would change each and every day.

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Speaker 5: So it's a twenty four bed facility. We staff at

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Speaker 5: It is an important facility. It's saved lives. I've had

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Speaker 3: Half an hour it's half an hour closer, hospital is

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Speaker 3: She was a well qualified nurse, just a newbie, you know.

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Speaker 4: We heard that yesterday as well on the phone lines.

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Speaker 1: But I want to take you to what Hatcher had

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Speaker 1: So it is certainly an issue that we are facing

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Speaker 1: really a staffing shortage right around Australia right now. But seriously,

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Speaker 3: It must have had an impact, Katie, because there was

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Speaker 4: Katie Unit Katie.

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Speaker 2: We were told that no staff would be lost from

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Speaker 2: the NT Health system for Howard Springs. The Nurses Union

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Speaker 2: the June estimates this health Men's Natasha actually said that

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Speaker 2: three hundred seventy two staff employed at that time at

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Speaker 2: So I'd like to know, and Teratrends would like to know,

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Speaker 2: is how many nurses are now currently employed at how.

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Speaker 3: It Springs and taken out of the hospital system.

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Speaker 4: That's right?

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Speaker 2: And would you consider bringing in properly trained international nurses

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Speaker 5: We're certainly not going to change the gold standard model

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Speaker 5: run that facility is too critical, Katie, what I can

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Speaker 5: informed me that they expect over forty nurses to be

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Speaker 4: Where are they coming from?

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Speaker 5: So, Katie, we obviously are looking at extending our graduates program,

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Speaker 5: eligible and build those numbers. And we believe that there'll

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Speaker 5: be two hundred graduates spread across the territory in twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty two, and that's up by about thirty. We are

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Speaker 5: working with the Commonwealth around those visas allowing getting that migration.

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Speaker 5: I don't think any jurisdiction in Australia expected COVID to

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Speaker 4: Forty nurses over the next fortnight.

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Speaker 1: We must have some idea whether they're being recruited locally, nationally, internationally,

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Speaker 1: where are they coming from.

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Speaker 5: So you asked me the question around the fifty to seventy.

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Speaker 4: But help them.

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Speaker 5: Said to me that they expect to recruit forty in

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Speaker 1: All right, so they're not graduate nurses. They're forty nurses

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Speaker 5: And then a specific question. I'm sure I'll chat to

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Speaker 5: The graduate something that happens every year. But what we're

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Speaker 5: doing is increasing and expanding the numbers. Of course, people

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Speaker 5: have to be eligible and that was what I was

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Speaker 5: pick with the CLPS proposal. We have to make sure

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess what I'm also getting to is forty

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Speaker 4: I know that a lot of.

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Speaker 1: People will be really pleased to hear that. What I'm

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Speaker 3: Forty I was just thinking the same thing, Katie. Are

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Speaker 3: they going to be placed into that? What was the

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Speaker 3: led to believe, but didn't get any other details. The

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Speaker 3: other thing I think we've got to consider is it's

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Speaker 3: good if we can get nurses and you know, get

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Speaker 3: them in the seat. But surely the government could or

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Speaker 3: the department could think of some kind of program where

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Speaker 3: there's bound to be nurses who have recently retired or

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Speaker 1: But what I've heard from nurses who and doctors who

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Speaker 4: They actually see people who are experienced and ready to

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Speaker 3: We're strategic thinking. Katie five yellows. I believe there hasn't

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Speaker 5: The emergency department increases have been thirty percent over the

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Speaker 4: Department, only six beds for emergencies apparently. So I don't

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Speaker 5: Do we need to be careful like we have got

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Speaker 5: That that's what we're wearing saying right now Friday morning

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Speaker 1: So it's hearing from Cathatcher saying that we don't actually

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Speaker 1: That's something that obviously they are saying that we need

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Speaker 4: Put day to day.

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Speaker 5: You just raised a point that someone's phoned in and

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Speaker 2: We ate yellows in less than twelve months, two in

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Speaker 5: Sel P's got no credibility saying, but what I start

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Speaker 2: Kdie, It's not to help to start show you need

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Speaker 5: It's your responsibility and the COLP what they did for

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Speaker 5: So what we're doing three years after it's been operational

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Speaker 1: How critical is it, if you know, if this doesn't

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Speaker 7: It's almost inevitable, Katie, unfortunately. Just you know, there's only

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Speaker 1: like you've heard them from doctor Parker, it is also

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Speaker 1: surgery that can potentially, you know, save someone's life and

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Speaker 1: stop them from being chronically well or incredibly unwell.

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Speaker 5: So, Katie, I think it's really important that people understand

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Speaker 5: the term elective. It's the way in which our time

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Speaker 5: frame is given to someone's medical needs and that can change.

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Speaker 5: So if someone is feeling worse themselves, they can go

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Speaker 5: back to their GP and get their referral up, or

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Speaker 5: they can touch base with the specialists that might have

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Speaker 5: been treating them in the hospital. So it's a categorization

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Speaker 5: to help the hospital system. One of the things that

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Speaker 5: we have been facing as well as staff, Katie, is

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Speaker 5: the beds, and we've got about fifty people in a

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Speaker 5: hospital that age care and disability, and so that will

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Speaker 5: We've worked with the Commonwealth Government Greg Hunt and we're

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Speaker 5: seeing twenty one beds become available immediately. So we've started

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Speaker 5: shifting patients and we have to make.

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Speaker 4: Sure that that's into regiousness.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, into regions, and we've provided some staff to help

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Speaker 5: make sure they get the bet quality care. But when

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Speaker 5: you talk about the surgery, bringing it back to what

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Speaker 5: we were talking about, you have to you can't take

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Speaker 5: someone into surgery, even if it might be a day

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Speaker 5: procedure or you think they only need a bed for

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Speaker 5: one night, because you have to think, well, if something

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Speaker 5: goes wrong here, have we got the capacity to provide

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Speaker 5: them with the appropriate care. So those beds becoming available

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Speaker 5: will help because when you look at the code Yellows,

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Speaker 5: you're talking about twenty five people in emergency awaiting a bed.

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Speaker 5: When you look in at fifty age care beds and

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Speaker 5: disability patients within hospital beds, so those twenty beds will

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Speaker 5: also have an enormous impact.

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Speaker 2: So, Natasha, you wouldn't answer us in Parliament when we

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Speaker 2: asked how many elective surgeries were canceled during the Code Yellow?

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Speaker 2: Will you answer that for us today?

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Speaker 5: So when we talk about it, and I think it's

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Speaker 5: important to use the they called elective surgeries, but they're

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Speaker 5: surgeries that have been triarged into different categories. They don't

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Speaker 5: cancel them, they defer them. And I understand with the

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Speaker 5: most recent Code Yellow there was about six surgeries that

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Speaker 5: were deferred. So you know that is six territories that

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Speaker 5: need that medical treatment and it has been impacted. So

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Speaker 5: we certainly acknowledge that is not good enough, but these

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Speaker 5: are the measures we're putting in place to get the

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Speaker 5: staff and also get the beds available.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well one of those must have been our listener

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Speaker 1: and he yeah, he's been waiting for this hip replacement

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Speaker 1: now for some time. It would be an incredibly difficult situation,

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Speaker 1: but also the ramifications of that, you're talking about someone

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Speaker 1: who can no longer work because they're waiting for an operation.

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Speaker 1: Now he's actually been waiting for an extended period of time.

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Speaker 2: There are several cases like that, Yeah, right throughout our territory.

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Speaker 1: And again we all understand, you know that there is

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Speaker 1: some enormous pressure right now.

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Speaker 4: I think we all get it.

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Speaker 1: But what we really don't want to see is people

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Speaker 1: thinking that they're actually not able to be looked after

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Speaker 1: if they go to the hospital, and you know, thinking

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Speaker 1: that they if they become unwell, that there's not going

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Speaker 1: to be the service here that they need, or that they're.

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Speaker 4: Going to wind up on a waiting list, you know,

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Speaker 4: for for a year. Oh Katie.

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Speaker 5: And you know, as I said, and I don't know

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Speaker 5: that gentleman's individual circumstances, but if you think your condition

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Speaker 5: has deteriorated, you you can there is mechanisms within the

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Speaker 5: system to make sure that that is looked at. But

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Speaker 5: it's about making sure we have the staff, making sure

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Speaker 5: we have the beds, and we will keep working at this.

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Speaker 5: We've seen the increase in pressures on health systems right

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Speaker 5: around Australia over the last eighteen months.

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Speaker 1: Look, I will move away from the health system in

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Speaker 1: just a moment, but I also just want to take

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Speaker 1: us across to this story, the other one that ran

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Speaker 1: throughout the week and the Australian Salaried Medical Officers Federation

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Speaker 1: of the Northern Territory. They have now welcomed yesterday they

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Speaker 1: welcomed this apology between Well, it was a letter that

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Speaker 1: came out by doctor Feakree a bit earlier in the week,

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Speaker 1: and I think that everybody was sort of quite surprised

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Speaker 1: when they saw the uture. I think shocks the word yeah, it, well,

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Speaker 1: quite shocked when they'd seen the detail of this letter. Now,

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Speaker 1: obviously we know that the Australian Salaried Medical Officers have

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Speaker 1: come out and they've said that they're happy to hear

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Speaker 1: that he's apologized for his letter from the third of

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Speaker 1: October and retracted in full. And you know, I really

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Speaker 1: think that we've got to sit suation where obviously there

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Speaker 1: are some people who are working within the emergency departments

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Speaker 1: or working within the system who you know, if it

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Speaker 1: is having a big impact on them and they decide

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Speaker 1: to leave, do we really want to be saying, well, sorry,

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Speaker 1: but you're not allowed to come back.

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Speaker 3: I look, it's been put to bed, so to speak.

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Speaker 3: The doctor or the person who signed the letters, I think, well,

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Speaker 3: well apologized and withdrawn it. Clearly his supervision wasn't sufficient

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Speaker 3: enough to ensure that this didn't happen and probably won't

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Speaker 3: ever happen again in the future, because I'm sure he

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Speaker 3: will have been spoken to by his superiors medically or

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Speaker 3: ad ministratively. But I think we just have to encourage

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Speaker 3: all the medical staff, doesn't matter who it is, to

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Speaker 3: have a good working environment, whether it's you know, it

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Speaker 3: takes good morale or teamwork, or good salary and conditions.

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Speaker 3: So I think we just need to everyone needs to

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Speaker 3: do their best to make sure we keep all the stuff.

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Speaker 2: Who's speaking with salary and conditions, you know, Can we

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Speaker 2: have permanent healthcare positions instead of these fixed contracts that

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Speaker 2: we have.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm talking about. The nurses.

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Speaker 2: They need certainty, they to be back at the same level.

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Speaker 2: They need to know that they can locate here and

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Speaker 2: they have certain tea.

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Speaker 4: With their positions.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, We've done an enormous body of work around that,

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Speaker 5: transitioning people from contracts and also from using agencies and

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Speaker 5: getting them permanently into the system and being more flexible

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Speaker 5: within the system, having more part time positions. And that's

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Speaker 5: something that I've spoken with the nursing and midwif Free

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Speaker 5: Federation about is how can we if we are asking

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Speaker 5: our own nurses to do a little bit extra, how

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Speaker 5: can we make sure that's acknowledged it. It is complex,

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Speaker 5: but certainly agency nurses have a role to play, but

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Speaker 5: we've certainly shifted trying.

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Speaker 2: To our shifts are definitely not acceptable, definitely not acceptable.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to take responsibility for the fact that

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Speaker 2: they are absolutely burnt out and that's why they are leaving.

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Speaker 5: So in terms of our nurses, they do an amazing job.

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Speaker 5: It's a high pressure environment and all of our medical

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Speaker 5: stuff and actually, Katie, it's the people that work with them,

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Speaker 5: the cleaners, the PCAs that gets bed prepared. So there's

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Speaker 5: not one measure, there's not one solution that is going

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Speaker 5: to suddenly fix a lot of.

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Speaker 1: These Yeah, And I mean they are the ones that

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Speaker 1: are contacting us here at the station to be really

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Speaker 1: fair about this, you know, they're the people who are

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Speaker 1: actually raising these concerns, and I think that that's really

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Speaker 1: important for people to realize. I do want to though,

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Speaker 1: also ask, you know, should we be including our nurses

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Speaker 1: on this pay freeze that you know that's that the

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Speaker 1: government obviously announced with the public service pay frees well,

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Speaker 1: I mean should they Realistically, we're talking about nurses who

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Speaker 1: are pulling double shifts and.

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Speaker 3: Anyone who's in anyone who's in the public sector includes nurses,

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Speaker 3: it includes five police, teachers, clinicians, that's right.

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Speaker 1: So is it having an impact then when you're trying

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Speaker 1: to recruit them and other states are potentially offering better,

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Speaker 1: you know, better packages.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. That's That's where I think Michael Gunner

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Speaker 3: sort of missed the point and dropped the ball, so

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Speaker 3: to speak, because you know, it's all very well to say,

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Speaker 3: you know, have a free pay freeze for three or

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Speaker 3: four years, was it? Well, who's he going to apply

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Speaker 3: it to. It's like when they said, oh, executive contracts

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Speaker 3: should should be on a pay freeze as well, and hello,

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Speaker 3: that includes all your school principles, so you want them

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Speaker 3: at the front. Just having to suck it up because

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Speaker 3: you haven't been able to manage the economy and manage

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Speaker 3: the Northern Terretory government's budget. I just think it's wrong.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we might take a very short break and

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Speaker 1: when we come back, I'm keen to get a bit

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Speaker 1: of an update on these VAX numbers and also talk

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Speaker 1: more about international travel. And what is going to be

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Speaker 1: happening when it comes to those borders. And we'll also

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Speaker 1: we are also going to be talking a bit further

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Speaker 1: about our school based constables as well. You are listening

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Speaker 1: to MIX one oh four point nine is three point sixty.

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Speaker 4: It is the week that was, well, you are listening

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Speaker 4: to the week that was.

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Speaker 1: It is just twenty minutes away from ten o'clock and

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Speaker 1: so much to discuss this morning. We know that there

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Speaker 1: is certainly the vaccination rollout continues on around the Northern territory.

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Speaker 1: Just taking a look at some of the numbers around

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Speaker 1: the territory this morning and the Health Minister, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: we'll have a bit further information, but by the look

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Speaker 1: of things at the moment, in some of our remote communities,

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Speaker 1: things are going really quite well. You know, you've got

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Speaker 1: some there at seventy one percent vaccination ray. You've got

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Speaker 1: others that are sort of sitting quite low unfortunately, at

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Speaker 1: fifteen percent, nine percent in some locations, five percent in

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Speaker 1: the likes of Willaura, only one hundred and sixty nine

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Speaker 1: residents there. Twenty one people have received their first dose,

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Speaker 1: which is twelve percent, only nine then getting their second dose.

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Speaker 1: Minister how big an impact is this going to have

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Speaker 1: on us opening the territory up. When you've got some communities,

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Speaker 1: some of our remote communities, and also some territorians living

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Speaker 1: in urban centers who just do not want to get

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Speaker 1: this vaccine.

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Speaker 3: Their world's going to shrink. Their world is going to shrink.

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Speaker 3: And I've spoken lots of people comment about us, you know,

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Speaker 3: and some people it's just reluctant. They're not anti vaxxers.

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Speaker 3: They might have concerns. They might be a woman looking

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Speaker 3: to become pregnant with a baby and all that. But

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Speaker 3: I think personally, I think the world's going to shrink.

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Speaker 3: It is a term of employment, or it will become

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Speaker 3: more so. These days, they will be limited in where

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Speaker 3: they can go. Quantus will say you have to be vaccinated,

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Speaker 3: so they won't be able to fly quantas. So I

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Speaker 3: think common sense is going to have to prevail at

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Speaker 3: the end of the day with people. I'm not talking

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Speaker 3: about remote Aboriginal people. I'm talking about urban people, because

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Speaker 3: common sense is going to have to prevail, and this

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Speaker 3: is the way it's going to be into the future.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, I don't sympathize with them. I accept

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Speaker 3: that they've got this issue with vaccinations, but it's going

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Speaker 3: to change their world, and not necessarily for the better.

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Speaker 3: So I think we just have the government's obviously playing

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Speaker 3: a huge role, and I've seen that there's been mobile

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Speaker 3: teams around Darwen scooping up blonde grasses and people living

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Speaker 3: at rough and I think they've just got to keep

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Speaker 3: putting all the resources into those ears where there's a drag.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well, in estimates in June, Minister, you said you would

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Speaker 5: have given our vaccine away.

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Speaker 2: Oh ooh, seriously, it's just just strapped from the real issues.

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Speaker 2: Every single time you don't answer any questions. We know

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Speaker 2: that that's how it works. It's out of territorians. So

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Speaker 2: you said there were five hundred thousand dollars in communication

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Speaker 2: and marketing for the vaccination rollout, and at that time

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Speaker 2: it only spent two hundred and thirty thousand. How much

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Speaker 2: have you now spent.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I'd have to get that figure for you, but

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Speaker 5: I got briefed the other day we're heading into phase

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Speaker 5: three of the campaign around communications and Katie. Overall, two

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Speaker 5: hundred and seventy thousand vaccines have been administered in the

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Speaker 5: territory and seventy eight percent of territories have had a

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Speaker 5: first dose. Most people are rolling up their sleeves to

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Speaker 5: get vaccinated. That's fantastic. We're seeing a really strong update

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Speaker 5: in the twelve and overs program. But in terms of

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Speaker 5: the communications, we're really trying to understand or for people

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Speaker 5: to understand how terrible COVID is and as an illness.

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Speaker 5: We're also using the campaigns to go community by a

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Speaker 5: community because our problem won't be Katie looking at those

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Speaker 5: figures is we'll overall have high rates of vaccination in

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Speaker 5: the territory. Thousands upon thousands of people will be vaccinated.

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Speaker 5: What we will have is situations where we've been to

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Speaker 5: a community six times. It's the vaccine has been that

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Speaker 5: fridge at the community clinic and they're choosing not to

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Speaker 5: get vaccinated, and that community has no coverage.

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Speaker 4: It might only be a couple of hundred people, but

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Speaker 4: that will be devastating.

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Speaker 5: And the virus. Everyone has done an amazing job keeping

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Speaker 5: it out for the last eighteen months.

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Speaker 4: We can't keep it out for ever.

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Speaker 1: So what's going to happen Because if we have got

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Speaker 1: a community who, like you've said, you've then got vaccines

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Speaker 1: sitting in the fridge, You've been out there. The Health

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Speaker 1: Department's been out there six times to try and help

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Speaker 1: them get vaccinated. Here you know, the chow's been out

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Speaker 1: there himself to go and try to encourage them to

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Speaker 1: get vaccinated, and they still don't want to.

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Speaker 4: What is going to happen?

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Speaker 1: I mean, is the rest of the Northern Territory going

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Speaker 1: to open up and they're going to have to stay

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Speaker 1: shut down.

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Speaker 3: That might be a consequence. As I've said, common sense

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Speaker 3: has to prevail on don't tell me these people at

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Speaker 3: Bush doesn't have any common sense. They do have common sense,

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Speaker 3: and I think.

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Speaker 2: Going back to those numbers, are they territorians jabs or

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Speaker 2: are they they include tourism, tourists and fifhose.

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Speaker 5: So the vaccination those percentages are based on the peak

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Speaker 5: of data, so people in terms of their addresses within

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Speaker 5: the primary care information system. But Katie, coming back to

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Speaker 5: the question you asked around, what will happen is certainly

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Speaker 5: something that we're looking at. There'll have to be some

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Speaker 5: type of public health measure, but what it is. You know,

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Speaker 5: we did see biosecurity and the lockdown of communities and

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Speaker 5: people were very obliging at that time. But I think

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Speaker 5: that it's moved on since then, you know, mask wearing.

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Speaker 5: There will be some type of public health measure, but

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Speaker 5: there's one tool right now that people can access and

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Speaker 5: that's the vaccine. So we're working closely with out Aboriginal

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Speaker 5: medical organizations the Commonwealth. This week I spoke to Greg Hunt.

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Speaker 5: They've added Central Australia. So they had East Darnham, Darwin

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Speaker 5: Barkley as areas of priority. They've added Central Australia. Seen

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Speaker 5: some work out of Tenant Creek with and in Guinning

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Speaker 5: the Aboriginal Community Health Organization there and we're starting to

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Speaker 5: see some of their numbers lift. We're not talking about

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Speaker 5: huge numbers, We're talking about a.

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Speaker 1: Community and so I mean you're actually talking about like

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Speaker 1: fifty four people, you know, quite small communities but really

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Speaker 1: low take up. So what like are there you know,

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Speaker 1: are there leaders that we can send out there who

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Speaker 1: are actually going to you know, who those communities will

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Speaker 1: really listen to.

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Speaker 3: Maybe there's a role for the people of the elected

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Speaker 3: members on the shires in the outside of urban areas

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Speaker 3: at Bush because we.

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Speaker 5: Have seen the land councils and the local community government

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Speaker 5: step up Katie and really make sure that they drive

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Speaker 5: the importance of the vaccine home. So it is it

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Speaker 5: is certainly concerning to us because we want every territory

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Speaker 5: and to understand that importance, and we'll keep working at it.

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Speaker 1: Now. Obviously it's a real health concern, but it is

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Speaker 1: and we've spoken about that in terms of our health

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Speaker 1: system and making sure that people are vaccinated so that

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Speaker 1: there is you know, that they don't get as sick

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Speaker 1: and that there is less strain on the health system.

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Speaker 4: But I also want to talk about this when.

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Speaker 1: You look at our borders, the situation and the impact

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Speaker 1: that it is having on our tourism businesses.

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Speaker 4: And I heard nationally this morning well one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: But I just want to focus on this on you know,

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Speaker 1: the tourism and travel for a moment, because we heard

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Speaker 1: this morning the National Tourism Body saying this we've got

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Speaker 1: like one third of Australian tourism businesses on the verge

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Speaker 1: of shutting shop because they no longer have that travel

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Speaker 1: from international and also interstate.

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Speaker 4: Now, in addition to that, this week quantus Alan.

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Speaker 1: Joyce actually came out and said that he really hopes

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Speaker 1: home quarantine would be a short lived solution to opening

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Speaker 1: Australia's international border, and the country should lift all isolation

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Speaker 1: requirements as soon as possible to restart tourism and business travel.

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Speaker 4: So we sort of got a bit of a better understanding.

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Speaker 1: I think you'd have to say that there's going to

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Speaker 1: need to be several tests before you can get onto

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Speaker 1: a plane internationally to then travel, let's say into the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory. If that London Darwin flight does indeed go ahead,

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Speaker 1: you'd have to have four tests as I understand it,

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Speaker 1: before you can even get on a plane, and then

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Speaker 1: in other parts of Australia it would be seven days

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Speaker 1: of home quarantine. I mean, is that what we're looking

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Speaker 1: at here in the territory.

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Speaker 5: So we'll get the advice from our health professionals. But

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Speaker 5: as we see that vaccination rate rise, as we see

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Speaker 5: the rapid antigen testing has improved, Katie. It it's certainly

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Speaker 5: not as good as the tests that are sent off

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Speaker 5: to the laboratories, but it's certainly improved and it will

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Speaker 5: have a role as we all open up as a country.

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Speaker 5: We of course have kept the virus out, but we

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Speaker 5: acknowledge that we can't keep as Keysy was saying, blocking

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Speaker 5: people from their family and friends. The impact on tourism

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Speaker 5: and hospitality businesses is huge, and so we do need

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Speaker 5: life to return to normal. So we will balance the

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Speaker 5: health measures with getting us back to normal. But there's

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Speaker 5: one thing, and I keep harping on about it, it's

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Speaker 5: getting vaccinated.

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of focus on that number, that

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Speaker 2: vaccination rate number. And I still want to go back

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Speaker 2: to which data do territorians look out, you know, is

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Speaker 2: it the NT data or is it the federal data?

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Speaker 2: Because they don't match. And even in our briefing that

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Speaker 2: we had last week, even the department in the chowse

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Speaker 2: said that they use federal data. But you're not using

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Speaker 2: that data. Is that right?

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Speaker 5: So I've spoken to the federal health minister this week.

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Speaker 5: Both of us agree on one thing. There are certain

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Speaker 5: remote communities where the vaccination rates are far too low.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't matter what data you want to look at.

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Speaker 5: In terms of the figures, we've delivered over two hundred

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Speaker 5: and seventy thousand doses in the churchy. We know we've

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Speaker 5: delivered those doses here in the territory. We know who

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Speaker 5: is in our primar key information system, so we certainly

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Speaker 5: have seen a strong uptake of the vaccination. But what

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Speaker 5: we're seeing is in a number of small communities, so

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Speaker 5: the overall number won't be huge, but it'll be devastating

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Speaker 5: in a community be our community situation.

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Speaker 2: Did you drop the ball though, because in the remote

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Speaker 2: communities it's started in February or March and we're now

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Speaker 2: in October. What is taking so long?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 5: I don't think anyone has dropped the ball in terms

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Speaker 5: of vaccination roll out. The vaccination started in March April.

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Speaker 5: We were the first jurisdiction in a number of areas well,

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Speaker 5: the first jurisdiction to collapse. The Tranchers were the first

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Speaker 5: to jurisdiction to provide the same vaccine outside of Darwen.

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Speaker 5: We then did that in dul and we're the first

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Speaker 5: jurisdiction to provide vaccine for twelve and overs. We have

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Speaker 5: led at every single step and there is plenty of

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Speaker 5: vaccine available for people.

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Speaker 4: We are going to have to go to a short break.

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Speaker 1: But I do want to just ask very quickly, Natasha,

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Speaker 1: when are we expecting to know if this quantus flight

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Speaker 1: between Darwin and London is going.

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Speaker 4: To go ahead?

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Speaker 1: And if it does, is it just a short term

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Speaker 1: thing or are we looking at this happening long term?

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Speaker 5: So, Katie, we've worked so closely with Conscious and it

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Speaker 5: started with a flight from Japan and a flight from Wuhan.

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Speaker 5: We've had regular appatriation flights. This week we saw the

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Speaker 5: plane land from South America via Antarctica. We've had a

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Speaker 5: plane land at Darwin International Airport and a shout out

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Speaker 5: to the team out there from every continent this year,

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Speaker 5: and that is amazing for an airport. Only six airports

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Speaker 5: have achieved that. We will keep working with Quantius and

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Speaker 5: we understand that they'll be announcing soon what their final plans.

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Speaker 1: Are, but we'd realistically we'd have to be making some

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Speaker 1: kind of changes here for it to go ahead, because

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Speaker 1: if he sort of said that, you know, what's happening

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Speaker 1: in other states is seven days quarantine and those four tests,

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Speaker 1: seven days home quarantine and those tests, then presumably if.

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Speaker 4: We're even in with the chance, we'd have to be

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Speaker 4: doing the same.

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Speaker 5: So, Katie, we've worked very closely with industry. We've listened

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Speaker 5: to the health advice all the way along and we

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Speaker 5: will keep doing that. We have worked very hard with

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Speaker 5: Quantus and we have taken every little opportunity and turned

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Speaker 5: it into something and we'll keep doing that.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's see what happens. Hopefully we'll find out soon.

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Speaker 1: We will take a very short break and then I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about these school based constables in just

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Speaker 1: a couple of moments. You are listening to Mix one

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Speaker 1: oh four point nine three sixty also broadcasting on Akha

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Speaker 1: and Alice here. Well, you are listening to the week

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Speaker 1: that was and in the studio with us this morning

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Speaker 1: Murray Clare Booth, b Kesier, Puriic and Natasha Files now Kezier.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday you and I spoke once again about the school

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Speaker 1: based constable program here in the Northern Territory and some

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Speaker 1: of the concerns that you have raised and the worries

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Speaker 1: that you've got for our schools. I know that plenty

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Speaker 1: of the schools have been in contact with you over

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Speaker 1: recent days as well to raise those concerns if they have.

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Speaker 3: Kadie. In the last settings of the Parliament in September,

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Speaker 3: I raised a matter of public importance in regards to

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Speaker 3: the school based constable program. It was supported by members

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Speaker 3: of the opposition and also by the other independents and

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Speaker 3: government members spoke at that time and they government members

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Speaker 3: did acknowledge the importance of a school based constable program

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Speaker 3: like these programs are not unique to our country. They're

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Speaker 3: heavy into the Americas and also in parts of Europe,

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Speaker 3: but probably Australia and New Zealand have got some of

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Speaker 3: the best programs around the world. Literally. Now, I sent

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Speaker 3: the copy of Handsar to all the high schools and

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Speaker 3: middle schools and colleges in the top end and I've

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Speaker 3: had very good feedback from the schools saying thank you,

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Speaker 3: particularly Sanderson and of course to Mimmin, but also from

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Speaker 3: the other schools out in that Northern Suburbs area. Now,

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Speaker 3: I'm really surprised that the member for Sanderson, the member

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Speaker 3: for Wanuri, the member for Casuarina, possibly the member for Nightclick,

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Speaker 3: but I know that's a pretty good school member for

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Speaker 3: Nightcliff still out there nightco Fin.

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Speaker 5: It's just fabulous.

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Speaker 3: But what have those members been doing. They didn't even

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Speaker 3: speak in the debate, and yet they desperately needs school

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Speaker 3: based constables in their schools. You know, Sanderson, I've had

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Speaker 3: good chats with the chairman there and also not so

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Speaker 3: much the principle, but I know who the principle is.

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Speaker 3: They need two school based constables. What is going to happen, Katie,

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Speaker 3: is the police Commissioner is going to take the school

878
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Speaker 3: based constables out of all the top end schools in

879
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Speaker 3: the urban areas and put the exiluaris in. Now, Exiliaris

880
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 3: are fine, but they're not trained necessary to be a

881
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 3: school based constable kind of person. Now, the other ridiculous

882
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 3: thing that's starting to happen is where there is a

883
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: school based constable at a school and there's an incident

884
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 3: that requires police intervention. That school based constable can't address

885
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 3: the incident on the ground. He or she has to

886
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 3: wring the police, call the police in so he then

887
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 3: can go and deal with the matter.

888
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Speaker 4: Now that's just ridiculous.

889
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 3: That's a waste of resources. So the government, the Labor government,

890
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 3: before the last August election, promised to expand and improve

891
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 3: the school based constable scheme. How is that doing that

892
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 3: when they're just putting auxiliaris in. I don't no disrespect

893
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 3: to exilaris. I know a few of them in the

894
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 3: rural area. They do, but they do, but they are

895
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 3: not school based constables. And don't tell me that you know,

896
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 3: this government doesn't appreciate that. They do. They say they do,

897
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 3: and I'm quite sure they do appreciate it. I mean,

898
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Speaker 3: ministers are healthy and Natasha said that they do a

899
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 3: good job. They even went through the school system themselves

900
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 3: when they went to high school. So why is the

901
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 3: police commissioner not listening to the minister Nicole Madison? As

902
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 3: I said yesterday, the Minister should be directing the Police

903
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 3: Commissioner and his team to ensure that relevant constables are

904
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 3: recruited for our high schools at a time when we've

905
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 3: got problems with youth and juvenile justice, youth crime running

906
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 3: rampant across our city here in the day, and and

907
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 3: also our springs. You've got to get at the basis

908
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: of the foundations of a kid's growth. That's in the

909
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 3: upper primary, the middle school and the auxiliaries I don't

910
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 3: believe will be equipped with this ability to really relate

911
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 3: because that's not what they've been chosen for. They've gone

912
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 3: to become an auxiliary for whatever reason, whereas the school

913
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Speaker 3: based constables I know specifically choose and want to work

914
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 3: with youth.

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Speaker 6: YEA.

916
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 3: Now this government has a labor government and Nicole Madison,

917
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 3: the Police Minister, really needs to get her act together

918
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 3: and sit down with the Police Commissioner and the others

919
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 3: to be and also Department of Education. I have to

920
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 3: admit when they dropped the ball here the Minister for Casuarina,

921
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 3: I don't think spoken the MPI I stand corrected.

922
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 4: I think she did.

923
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Speaker 3: She did that. Yeah, I wasn't sure she's got one

924
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 3: big bloody high school in her elector what she doing

925
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 3: to go into bat for them? You know, like this

926
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 3: is a serious issue for our young people in our

927
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 3: school system. And I've seen the puff piece that came

928
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 3: out of the Department of Education. They've said that, oh, well,

929
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 3: you know, you'll have a school based constable until the

930
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 3: zilaries are deployed into your skill bat for my schools

931
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 3: and the schools now that have come to me and

932
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 3: the parents and COGSO is involved with this. They know

933
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 3: about it and they're pushing it. Why is this labor

934
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 3: government not listening? Like seriously, it's not even a big

935
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 3: amount of money in the great scheme of things, my clare.

936
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 4: Is it something that's been raised with you guys past. Absolutely.

937
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've had the Palms and College talking to us

938
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: about it as well, and we've heard the Minister for

939
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: Police talk about how she's expanding the school based police

940
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 2: model and how wonderful it is. And I'm just not sure,

941
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 2: you know, is it for safety or is it for

942
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 2: positive engagement of young people or is it both? And

943
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 2: she seems to talk a lot a lot about this,

944
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: but of course, like Kesey has said, auxiliaries don't have

945
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: the same powers as constables. We've seen all sorts of

946
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: problems arising out of these high schools across the top end.

947
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 3: I think the Police Minister, Nicole Madison needs to go

948
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Speaker 3: out to Timmy min and Samson in particular and talk

949
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Speaker 3: with the principal, the teachers, maybe some of the parents

950
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 3: who've perhaps had a bit of an issue with their

951
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 3: child for whatever reason, or children, and then they'll know,

952
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: they'll know how valuable this act is of a school

953
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 3: based constable in our school system. And the last time

954
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 3: meet with it.

955
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 2: The last I've heard the Minister for Police has not

956
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: responded to those schools.

957
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: Well, look, it'll be worserected if that's the true.

958
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 5: Right.

959
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 3: I know, timim did get a letter from Minister Moss

960
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 3: as Education Minister, but you're quite correct they led us

961
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 3: to the Police Commissioner have not.

962
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Speaker 2: Done that's unacceptable. I mean with teachers and principles and

963
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: school counsels are writing to minister and they are not responding. Unacceptable.

964
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Speaker 5: This was a program that was scrapped under the CLP, Katie.

965
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 5: But I know the Education Minister and the Police Minister

966
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Speaker 5: are both very passionate about it coming back into schools.

967
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Speaker 5: There's certainly a lot of detailed questions here Minister for Education.

968
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Speaker 3: I don't think the Police Commissioner is enthusiastic about anyway.

969
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 5: It sounds like that Kati's giving me the wind up look,

970
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 5: so I have to keep my.

971
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Speaker 4: Five cents worth for another time.

972
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Speaker 1: We will, We will certainly talk further about this, no

973
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: doubt about it over the coming days. Mary Clare booth

974
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Speaker 1: Be thank you so very much for your time this morning.

975
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Katie Perick, thank you so much for your

976
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Speaker 1: time this morning. And Natasha Fhiles, thank you for your

977
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: time this morning. Thanks Katie.

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Speaker 4: That was the week that was plenty more coming your

979
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Speaker 4: way on the show after ten o'clock