WEBVTT - UNDER THE INFLUENCE: Johnathon Sauer 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:04.640 Hi, I'm Jonathan Sower and you're listening to Outspoken. I'd 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:06.880 go anywhere and it was always your so and those 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:10.879 ex not you're Jonathan. So just being known for your 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:13.680 own person, I guess was probably the most frustrating thing. 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:16.520 I feel like most of my friends don't even know that, 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:18.720 and most of my following especially don't know that. 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:21.000 Wow, we're just going to be dropping bombs in this 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:21.959 interview today. 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:25.759 One day that it was like a weekend and Maddie 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:28.120 was out drinking with a few friends and she just 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.280 replied to one of my stories lit in the DMS. 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:33.000 She's in the DM. 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:39.800 Hello, and welcome to a very special episode of Outspoken. 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:43.600 This is our first Under the Influence episode, and today 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:47.879 we're joined by influencer Jonathan Souer. We were first introduced 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:51.400 to Jonathan, of course, through his highly publicized relationship with 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:56.080 YouTuber Shannie Grimmond. Now, the former accountant turned social media 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:59.160 sensation is making a name for himself for all the 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:03.040 right reasons. With over one hundred and fifty thousand followers 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:06.720 on Instagram, Jonathan's one of the most talked about influencers 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:10.920 in the country, and his latest relationship with fellow influencer 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:15.360 Madison Woolly has proven he truly is Australia's best boyfriend 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:18.600 of Instagram. So, hi, Jonathan, thank you so much for 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:21.520 joining us on Outspoken. We're very excited that this is 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:23.160 your first podcast that you've been on. 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:25.039 Yeah, that's correct, I haven't been on you, but it's 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:25.680 super excited. 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:28.240 Well, thank you. Now, a lot of people will know 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:30.560 you from Instagram and YouTube, but a lot of us 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:33.280 don't know the real Jonathan. Can you tell us a 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:35.720 little bit about what it was like growing up in Queensland. 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:38.080 So I originally grew up in Rockcanton, which is like 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:41.759 a small town about seven hundred kilometers north of Brisbane, 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:43.240 And so I grew up there. 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:45.520 Playing sport and then also I did a lot of 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:49.640 study in and came in Accountain that way. So I 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:51.240 was never obviously I never. 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:53.480 Started off during the social media side until I moved 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:55.760 to Brisbane when I was about nineteen or twenty. 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:57.720 And what were you like at school? Were you a 0:01:57.720 --> 0:01:59.880 pretty good student? I suppose getting into accounting. 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:02.200 I was one of those kids that kind of just 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:04.640 as soon as I was shown once with everything, I 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:06.920 was just kind of clicked. I was really good with 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:10.120 like mass wasn't really good. It wasn't the best with 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:12.760 the English and stuff like that. But I was also 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.000 wondering that just pick things up really quickly and just 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:17.960 learned really quickly. So I was one of those probably 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:21.280 kind of kids that kind of just distracted everyone because 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:22.880 I'd picked things up really quickly. 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:25.440 When you were younger, was there something that you always 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:27.280 wanted to be growing up? 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:29.959 Yeah, So basically I just wanted to I always wanted 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:31.840 like an office job because I saw my dad work 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:34.840 in an office at some stage, and it was just 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.040 something to do with the whole business and running my 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:39.520 own business, and it's just kind of one of the 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:40.919 things that I kind of grew. 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:43.359 Up with my whole family just working with other people, 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:45.120 and so I'm. 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:46.560 Not sure where I got it from, but I always 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:49.000 just wanted to own my own business and work for myself, 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:51.320 and that was always like a big goal for me, 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:53.400 and so I guess that's a big reason why I 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:55.600 kind of got out of the accounting as well and 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:56.720 started working for myself. 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:58.880 And so, can you tell us what it was like 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:02.360 before you became insta famous? So obviously you had this 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:04.880 job in accounting, So were you not enjoying the job 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:05.520 very much. 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:07.360 No, so I worked. 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:09.480 So when I came out of high school, I did 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:11.640 full time unique straight away and I did it for 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:14.000 about six months, and then I got referred onto from 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:17.240 my one of my lecturers that an accounting firm was 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:21.440 like taking in like basically like an internship, but I 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:23.480 was getting paid. It was basically just working as an 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:25.560 accountant and just studying full time. 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:27.960 So I did that for about seven years. 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:31.919 I worked for an accounting accounting firm between three different months, 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:35.119 and I loved what I did. I loved my job, 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.600 and then I moved to Brisbane. I was working for 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:39.600 that accounting firm for about five and a half years 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:42.640 and I loved it. I had no intentions of believing it, 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.000 so I was. I was doing my influencer kind of 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:48.720 job as well with that for about for about a 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:52.600 year and a half two years, and I could have 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:55.400 taken it and gone full time with that like a 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:58.240 lot earlier than I did, but I was just really 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:01.320 happy with where I was and my friend that I 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:02.680 was working for, I was really happy. 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:05.080 I love working that. And then it just got to 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:07.120 a stage where I was missing. 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:10.080 Out on a lot and I started and I started 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:11.080 my own business from there. 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:13.880 Now a lot of people who listened to us would 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:17.080 know you, of course from your ex and her YouTube channel. 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:19.640 Of course, that's how I suppose everyone was introduced to you. 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:22.960 Was that a very strange world to be introduced into, 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:25.799 because I suppose you're going from you know, normal life, 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:29.640 going to UNI working and then to suddenly be taken 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:32.120 into this influence a world. What was it like? 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:33.479 Yeah, it was weird. 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:35.960 I guess at the start it was it wasn't too 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:39.520 bad because obviously the following wasn't too big, and we 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:42.120 kind of like grew as we grew together kind of thing. 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:44.480 And then from there, you. 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:48.080 Know, go into the shops and getting I guess, like 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:51.320 people recognizing you everywhere, and you know, sometimes it'll get 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:53.479 to the point where people would be just in like 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:57.080 tears and shaking. And that was something that I still 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:59.920 never you can never get used to, I guess, like 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:01.240 having that much of an influence. 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:03.839 So do someone do you get that on a daily basis? 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:06.000 Say you're work walking down the street with of course 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:08.880 your lovely new girlfriend Madison Well and she's obviously got 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:11.159 a following as well. Will you guys just get stopped 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:14.320 on a daily basis, probably. 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:15.920 Not too much on a daily Like, it depends where 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:19.880 you are. I guess, like it's a lot about followers. 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:23.080 I guess, like the younger younger demographic as well, So 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:23.960 it depends where you are. 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.200 If you go to like certain. 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:29.400 Shopping centers or those kind of areas where that they 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:31.080 kind of like hang out, you do get stopped a 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:33.680 lot more. I know, on like nights out, it's a lot. 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:37.000 I guess it's a lot worse people like drinking and 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:40.520 influence of like alcohol and stuff are just it's easier 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:42.039 for them to come up to you and like speak 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:43.839 to you because I've had like a few drinks and 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:44.720 that kind of thing as well. 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:48.560 Yeah, what about your family? So, for example, if you're 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:51.680 at Christmas Day and you're talking to your relatives about 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:53.719 what you do, do they understand what it is to 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:55.880 be an influencer? Are they sort of surprised by the 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:56.360 whole thing? 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:59.840 They were super surprised and like kind of weird and 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:02.000 about it for the first couple of years. But now 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.200 I think my immediate family are kind of like used 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:08.400 to it. But once my cousins and other people outside 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:09.960 of that would see it for the first time. They 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.520 just wouldn't believe it until they really skinned And so 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:15.640 my family would tell my extended family, and I couldn't 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:17.880 understand it really until they kind of like sawt it 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:21.239 for themselves. But there's been weird things that have happened 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:24.040 to my My mum's actually a primary school teacher. Oh 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:28.080 and she's actually had like students that have said, like, 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:33.080 you know, that knew that she was my mum and 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:34.880 they kind of got hit, got kind of got weirded 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:38.200 out about that, or that would be that would. 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:39.760 Be weird as a parent, because I suppose it's still 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.960 a very new job an influencer. And I mean even 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:45.240 for you being an accountant, did you used to have 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:47.279 influences come to you and you're kind of like, oh, 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:48.600 what do I put this down. 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:50.840 As a job or yeah, no, it was. 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:52.800 It was something I was super new, especially with my 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:55.120 accounting firm and my boss, because I guess they're a 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:57.920 bit like the older generation and they kind of don't 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:00.839 understand it either, And they were very like at the start, 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.080 they were very concerned that it wasn't going to be 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:04.400 something else going to be around. 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:05.679 For a while. They didn't really take it seriously. 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:09.320 And it wasn't until they realized that people are taking 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.720 it on as a full time job that they really 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:12.960 take took it seriously as well. 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:15.880 Yeah, and what you touched on before, it is a business. 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:19.000 These days, you run your own business. So to someone 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.520 who might not understand, how do influencers make money. 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.280 I guess influencers these days there's all there's kind of 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:27.760 all different ones. But really what happens is they have 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:31.400 their own platform and I guess their own niche, and 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:34.400 people follow them because they like them for a certain 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:36.640 I guess style, for their own or for their own 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:39.560 niche as well. So mine's kind of like fashion fitness 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:41.920 kind of feels. So people would follow me for that. 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:43.680 Kind of stuff. A brand would come. 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:47.640 To me and say, we like your style, it fits 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:50.000 in with our brand. Would you like to work with us? 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.240 And if so, we'll do a deal together. And so 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:55.600 from there, I will promote their clothing or something that 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.800 I like. Obviously, then the brand would would want my 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:01.160 followers to buy stuff, so they would. 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:02.520 Only kind of promote in a way. 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:04.000 That they know that they're going to make a return 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:05.960 and it's going to be relevant from my kind of following. 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:09.080 But then again, like I always think that obviously, doing 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.840 the influencer kind of thing is a massive thing that 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:13.200 that's going to start off the rest of your life. 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:16.560 So you have to be smart enough to really create 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:19.600 something else on top of that, and that's where like 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:22.880 your real business really starts because you have that platform. 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:26.040 That's really cool. And obviously there's a lot of positives 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.800 that come from being an influencer, but I would assume 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.440 there's lots of negatives. And you know, you see people 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:33.920 who are being trolled online and that kind of thing. 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:37.679 What would be the most negative thing about being an influencer? 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:39.679 I guess there's a lot of There is a lot 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:41.840 of that negative troll and you know, people just sitting 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:44.160 behind their keyboards and stuff like that. But there's also 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.880 like a massive stigma around influencers and them doing no 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:50.800 work and everything taking it easily. And there's a lot 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.040 of influencers out there that really take advantage of a 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:56.079 lot of people and they get told they're stuck up 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:58.120 and things like that. So people really as soon as 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:01.160 you say you're in that kind of field, that will 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:04.040 automatically think you're that kind of person. So there's a 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.760 big stigma around that and you really get classed as 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:10.319 if one influencer does something bad, it affects everyone and. 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:11.080 What makes sense? 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:13.079 Yeah, and what ways do you go about trying to 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:15.520 break that stigma with the brands and people that you 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:16.040 work with. 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:19.200 I always just make sure that I try and just 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:23.040 stay real and authentic. I never try and promote anything 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.760 that I haven't used or anything like that. 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:28.000 And I guess just with the anything I post. 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:29.080 I just try to be real about it and not 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:30.840 trying and put a fake For saner On, I think 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.000 that's a big reason why I guess a lot of 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:37.199 my followers have taken a good liking to me as well. 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:39.559 And do you think it's also about perhaps not aligning 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.480 with yourself with those people who could be perceived in 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.040 that negative light as well? I suppose there's an influencer 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:47.839 you must go to these events where there's perhaps people 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.360 that are putting a bad light on other influence. Is 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:53.280 it important to you who you align yourself with as well? 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:55.240 Yeah, that is a big thing as well. Like I 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:57.800 know people in the past have had that kind of issue. 0:09:57.960 --> 0:09:59.720 I guess for me, I've never really had your many 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.000 problem with it, even though, like I've been too events 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:04.560 with people that have been like very controversial and stuff 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:06.360 like that, and I think they just as long as 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:08.760 you're staying real to your like to your followers and 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:13.040 basically posting posting things that are very real about your 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:15.679 whole life, and you don't change for anyone else, then 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.360 your followers are really they know that you're not going 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:21.560 to take their side or go into that other you know, 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:22.559 change your personality. 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:25.240 And what is it actually like being at one of 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:28.200 those influencer events, because we obviously see the videos and 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.600 the Insta stories and it looks like most of the 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:32.880 time people are just on their phones or I don't know, 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:36.280 Can you sort of give us an insight into the 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:38.079 reality of being at one of those events. 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:41.120 I think for myself, it's actually one of my favorite 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:44.160 events to go to other ones that are influent events 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:46.480 because you really are a lot of the time you 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:48.559 don't get to catch up with a lot of the influencers. 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:51.880 So I know myself, I catch myself all the time 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:54.520 just having too much fun and catching up with a 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:56.360 lot of people that I actually don't see for a 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:58.120 long time instead of being on my phone. 0:10:58.120 --> 0:10:58.880 But that's just me. 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:00.600 You do see a lot of the people that are 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:03.320 just constantly taken a lot of photos and are they're 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:05.160 just basically get some content. 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:07.440 And then leave. So I think you really kind of 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:09.839 have a couple of different kind of people that are there. 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:12.080 But it is it's one of those things that where 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:14.160 everything goes, everything's over the top. 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:15.960 The brands are really trying. 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:18.480 To get over the top design and styling and stuff 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:18.920 like that. 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.000 Just so people do post a lot more as well. 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:23.800 Sof and I we run our own business. We run 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.920 a public relations business, so we actually work from home 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:30.200 and often sometimes we feel of a little bit of guilt. 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:32.000 You know, you always have to feel like you're doing 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:35.079 something constantly. Do you feel like that sometimes because you've 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:37.480 gone from the nine to five job and obviously you 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:39.560 can work from the comfort of your own house, do 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:41.080 you often feel guilty. 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:44.280 Yeah, that's a massive thing. 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:47.120 I know, Money and myself were because we're at home 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:48.800 most of the time together. 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:49.160 Doing our work. 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.960 And it's especially with our kind of personality, like we 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:55.520 love to be busy and we hate when we're not busy. 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:59.320 So that's a massive thing. Like it's the guilt. 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:01.880 And then also just I get bored a lot and 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:04.000 I get I guess like stressed as well. When I 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.360 don't have a lot of work like that, I like 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:08.520 to keep myself busy all the time. And then I 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:10.719 guess the other side of that where people don't really 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:14.000 notice as well, is especially when you're by yourself and 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:16.480 you don't have like other influences around you, and does 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.800 kind of get like lonely if that makes sense, at 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:22.199 home because you go a whole day and you don't 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:23.480 speak with another human. 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:26.520 Yeah, it's such a strange concept because your whole life 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.800 is based around I suppose, filming yourself taking photos. But 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:32.600 then do you find that you kind of just become 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.440 in your own little world because you're just focusing on you, 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:37.679 And I know I always find that would be this, 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:39.559 I think the strangest part of it because you're on 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.480 social media, so you're being social, but then, as you say, 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.080 you're at home by yourself, So it's kind of quite 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:47.240 contradictory the lifestyle, isn't it. 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:49.880 Yeah, definitely I noticed that a lot when I was 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.720 in Brisbane, like probably the last year, and I kind 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:56.120 of got myself away from that. I'm having Most of 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:59.560 my best friends were all like Trady's and people that 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:02.319 really didn't use social media, and I kind of like, 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:04.840 I like that because then I could separate myself from 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.199 what I was doing as well, because you're always, I guess, 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:10.760 like expected to post most days, post a lot of 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:11.959 stories and that kind of thing. 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.760 So I kind of us that that was my way 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:15.880 of escaping it. 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:19.720 But now being down in I guess in Sydney and 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.240 being around a lot more people that did a similar thing, 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.440 and I guess when you're just really happy with how 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:27.760 your life is, it's a lot easier for you just 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:29.480 to get a lot of content as well. And it's 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.880 it just comes like second nature to us now, so 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:34.559 we just do our own thing at home, but then 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:37.520 when we go out and actually do things, it's easy 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:40.200 just to just I guess, like natural now for us 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:41.240 to get that kind of content. 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:45.960 And you've obviously been into quite high profile relationships which 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:48.800 have both played out online. What is it like having 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:50.280 a relationship so public. 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:53.920 I don't think it's it's had any issues. 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:57.160 Maddie and I are just basically just too normal people 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:59.719 that we just live our own lives every now and 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:02.160 then we have to like answer a few questions about 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:02.920 certain things. 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.920 But both of us haven't been in the same industry. 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:07.839 I think it's been like the best thing that's happened 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:11.560 to us, I know myself anyway, just having someone there 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:14.680 that you can just like speak to about anything, like 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:17.160 ask for their opinion, and we just motivate each other 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:20.000 all the time with everything that we do. So for me, 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.720 it's like, I don't have any issues with it because 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:25.320 we are just two normal people that we go and 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:27.480 just do our whole lives together, just completely normal. 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:30.280 It's just that I guess people think of you a little. 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.000 Bit differently, and every now and then you have to 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:33.520 answer a few questions about that. 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:35.160 And people will talk about it. 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:38.640 But yeah, it's really just motivating. We just motivate each 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:40.840 other and it's actually really helpful. 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:43.000 And I'm so sorry because I know x's are a 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.880 bit of a touchy topic. But was it quite difficult 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:49.440 having your breakup played out online? Because I know it 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:52.280 was one of Shiny Kruman's most viewed videos, and I know, 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:55.600 like it would be quite difficult having that information out 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:57.680 there also on the other person, you know, the other 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:00.640 person bringing out those breakups hard enough without it being 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:02.240 over social Mediaah, No. 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:02.800 It was. 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:06.000 I guess it was difficult in certain certain ways. More 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:09.400 just the fact of trying to be myself and trying 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:12.120 to be myself in public. So a lot of people 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:16.880 would just constantly just they know me through her, and 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:19.040 it was just I'd go anywhere and it was always 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.760 your so and so those ex not You're. 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:23.680 Jonathan, Yeah, if that makes sense. 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:26.600 So just being known for your own person, I guess 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:30.280 was probably the most frustrating thing, and that was the 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:32.800 hard part about it, But the rest of it was 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:34.360 it was quite easy. 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:35.760 Like you do have people that talk about it. 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:38.200 But I feel like in any kind of thing these 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:39.920 days in the world, you always kind of you're going 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:42.040 to have people that talk about you in different ways, 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:43.480 and it's just how you deal with it, I guess. 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:47.240 And obviously you're with an extremely You're in a fantastic 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:50.400 relationship now with Madison, And we've had a little bit 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:53.320 about how the two of you met, but you you've 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:55.240 sort of spoken a bit about on YouTube, But are 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:58.320 you able to explain to our listeners how you guys. 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:01.240 Met MADDI lived in Brisbane for a while and we 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:03.640 knew each other's like basically I knew every single one 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:05.960 of her friends before I met her. She was the 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:07.960 last one of the whole friendship group, and we have 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:11.280 a lot of mutual friends and we've been at events 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.920 and just lots of different things together, but we didn't 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:14.280 even know. 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:17.000 And I guess it's been in like the influencer world. 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.200 Do you speak to a lot of other. 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:22.840 Influences just through social media a lot easier than you 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:23.680 do with everyone else. 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:26.960 And one day that it. 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:29.520 Was like a weekend and Maddie was out drinking with 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:31.640 a few friends and she just replied to one of 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:32.680 my stories. 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:34.160 And she split in the DMS. 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:36.120 She the DM. 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:40.440 Is that one of those things I'll always have over 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:42.040 now exactly. 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:44.400 Oh, that's a cool story. Do you kind of you've 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:46.760 got those first little first little message as well? 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:52.480 Yeah, from from there, she because she was living in 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:54.160 Sydney at the time and I was living in Brisbane, 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:58.200 and then from then on she was basically coming back 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:00.400 to Brisbane like uh. 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:00.920 Five days later. 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:03.760 And then we end up meeting out our friendship groups 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:06.359