1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Jonathan Sower and you're listening to Outspoken. I'd 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: go anywhere and it was always your so and those 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: ex not you're Jonathan. So just being known for your 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: own person, I guess was probably the most frustrating thing. 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: I feel like most of my friends don't even know that, 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: and most of my following especially don't know that. 7 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: Wow, we're just going to be dropping bombs in this 8 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 2: interview today. 9 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: One day that it was like a weekend and Maddie 10 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: was out drinking with a few friends and she just 11 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: replied to one of my stories lit in the DMS. 12 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 3: She's in the DM. 13 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to a very special episode of Outspoken. 14 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 2: This is our first Under the Influence episode, and today 15 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 2: we're joined by influencer Jonathan Souer. We were first introduced 16 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: to Jonathan, of course, through his highly publicized relationship with 17 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: YouTuber Shannie Grimmond. Now, the former accountant turned social media 18 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: sensation is making a name for himself for all the 19 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: right reasons. With over one hundred and fifty thousand followers 20 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: on Instagram, Jonathan's one of the most talked about influencers 21 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 2: in the country, and his latest relationship with fellow influencer 22 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: Madison Woolly has proven he truly is Australia's best boyfriend 23 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 2: of Instagram. So, hi, Jonathan, thank you so much for 24 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: joining us on Outspoken. We're very excited that this is 25 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 2: your first podcast that you've been on. 26 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's correct, I haven't been on you, but it's 27 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 3: super excited. 28 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 2: Well, thank you. Now, a lot of people will know 29 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: you from Instagram and YouTube, but a lot of us 30 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 2: don't know the real Jonathan. Can you tell us a 31 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: little bit about what it was like growing up in Queensland. 32 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: So I originally grew up in Rockcanton, which is like 33 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: a small town about seven hundred kilometers north of Brisbane, 34 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: And so I grew up there. 35 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 3: Playing sport and then also I did a lot of 36 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 3: study in and came in Accountain that way. So I 37 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 3: was never obviously I never. 38 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: Started off during the social media side until I moved 39 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: to Brisbane when I was about nineteen or twenty. 40 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 2: And what were you like at school? Were you a 41 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: pretty good student? I suppose getting into accounting. 42 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: I was one of those kids that kind of just 43 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: as soon as I was shown once with everything, I 44 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: was just kind of clicked. I was really good with 45 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: like mass wasn't really good. It wasn't the best with 46 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: the English and stuff like that. But I was also 47 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: wondering that just pick things up really quickly and just 48 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: learned really quickly. So I was one of those probably 49 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: kind of kids that kind of just distracted everyone because 50 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: I'd picked things up really quickly. 51 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 2: When you were younger, was there something that you always 52 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: wanted to be growing up? 53 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, So basically I just wanted to I always wanted 54 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: like an office job because I saw my dad work 55 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: in an office at some stage, and it was just 56 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: something to do with the whole business and running my 57 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: own business, and it's just kind of one of the 58 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: things that I kind of grew. 59 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 3: Up with my whole family just working with other people, 60 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 3: and so I'm. 61 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: Not sure where I got it from, but I always 62 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: just wanted to own my own business and work for myself, 63 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: and that was always like a big goal for me, 64 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: and so I guess that's a big reason why I 65 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: kind of got out of the accounting as well and 66 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: started working for myself. 67 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: And so, can you tell us what it was like 68 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 2: before you became insta famous? So obviously you had this 69 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: job in accounting, So were you not enjoying the job 70 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 2: very much. 71 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 3: No, so I worked. 72 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: So when I came out of high school, I did 73 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: full time unique straight away and I did it for 74 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: about six months, and then I got referred onto from 75 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: my one of my lecturers that an accounting firm was 76 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: like taking in like basically like an internship, but I 77 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: was getting paid. It was basically just working as an 78 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: accountant and just studying full time. 79 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 3: So I did that for about seven years. 80 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: I worked for an accounting accounting firm between three different months, 81 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,119 Speaker 1: and I loved what I did. I loved my job, 82 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: and then I moved to Brisbane. I was working for 83 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: that accounting firm for about five and a half years 84 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: and I loved it. I had no intentions of believing it, 85 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: so I was. I was doing my influencer kind of 86 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: job as well with that for about for about a 87 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: year and a half two years, and I could have 88 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: taken it and gone full time with that like a 89 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: lot earlier than I did, but I was just really 90 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: happy with where I was and my friend that I 91 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: was working for, I was really happy. 92 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 3: I love working that. And then it just got to 93 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 3: a stage where I was missing. 94 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: Out on a lot and I started and I started 95 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: my own business from there. 96 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: Now a lot of people who listened to us would 97 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 2: know you, of course from your ex and her YouTube channel. 98 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: Of course, that's how I suppose everyone was introduced to you. 99 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: Was that a very strange world to be introduced into, 100 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,799 Speaker 2: because I suppose you're going from you know, normal life, 101 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 2: going to UNI working and then to suddenly be taken 102 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: into this influence a world. What was it like? 103 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was weird. 104 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: I guess at the start it was it wasn't too 105 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: bad because obviously the following wasn't too big, and we 106 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: kind of like grew as we grew together kind of thing. 107 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 3: And then from there, you. 108 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: Know, go into the shops and getting I guess, like 109 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: people recognizing you everywhere, and you know, sometimes it'll get 110 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: to the point where people would be just in like 111 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: tears and shaking. And that was something that I still 112 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: never you can never get used to, I guess, like 113 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: having that much of an influence. 114 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 2: So do someone do you get that on a daily basis? 115 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 2: Say you're work walking down the street with of course 116 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: your lovely new girlfriend Madison Well and she's obviously got 117 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 2: a following as well. Will you guys just get stopped 118 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: on a daily basis, probably. 119 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: Not too much on a daily Like, it depends where 120 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: you are. I guess, like it's a lot about followers. 121 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: I guess, like the younger younger demographic as well, So 122 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: it depends where you are. 123 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 3: If you go to like certain. 124 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: Shopping centers or those kind of areas where that they 125 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: kind of like hang out, you do get stopped a 126 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: lot more. I know, on like nights out, it's a lot. 127 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: I guess it's a lot worse people like drinking and 128 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: influence of like alcohol and stuff are just it's easier 129 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: for them to come up to you and like speak 130 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: to you because I've had like a few drinks and 131 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: that kind of thing as well. 132 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, what about your family? So, for example, if you're 133 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: at Christmas Day and you're talking to your relatives about 134 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 2: what you do, do they understand what it is to 135 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: be an influencer? Are they sort of surprised by the 136 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 2: whole thing? 137 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: They were super surprised and like kind of weird and 138 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: about it for the first couple of years. But now 139 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: I think my immediate family are kind of like used 140 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: to it. But once my cousins and other people outside 141 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: of that would see it for the first time. They 142 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: just wouldn't believe it until they really skinned And so 143 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: my family would tell my extended family, and I couldn't 144 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: understand it really until they kind of like sawt it 145 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,239 Speaker 1: for themselves. But there's been weird things that have happened 146 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: to my My mum's actually a primary school teacher. Oh 147 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: and she's actually had like students that have said, like, 148 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: you know, that knew that she was my mum and 149 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: they kind of got hit, got kind of got weirded 150 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: out about that, or that would be that would. 151 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: Be weird as a parent, because I suppose it's still 152 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 2: a very new job an influencer. And I mean even 153 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 2: for you being an accountant, did you used to have 154 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 2: influences come to you and you're kind of like, oh, 155 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 2: what do I put this down. 156 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 3: As a job or yeah, no, it was. 157 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: It was something I was super new, especially with my 158 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: accounting firm and my boss, because I guess they're a 159 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: bit like the older generation and they kind of don't 160 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: understand it either, And they were very like at the start, 161 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: they were very concerned that it wasn't going to be 162 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: something else going to be around. 163 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:05,679 Speaker 3: For a while. They didn't really take it seriously. 164 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: And it wasn't until they realized that people are taking 165 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: it on as a full time job that they really 166 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: take took it seriously as well. 167 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and what you touched on before, it is a business. 168 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: These days, you run your own business. So to someone 169 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 2: who might not understand, how do influencers make money. 170 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: I guess influencers these days there's all there's kind of 171 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: all different ones. But really what happens is they have 172 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: their own platform and I guess their own niche, and 173 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: people follow them because they like them for a certain 174 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: I guess style, for their own or for their own 175 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: niche as well. So mine's kind of like fashion fitness 176 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: kind of feels. So people would follow me for that. 177 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 3: Kind of stuff. A brand would come. 178 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: To me and say, we like your style, it fits 179 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: in with our brand. Would you like to work with us? 180 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: And if so, we'll do a deal together. And so 181 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: from there, I will promote their clothing or something that 182 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: I like. Obviously, then the brand would would want my 183 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: followers to buy stuff, so they would. 184 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 3: Only kind of promote in a way. 185 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: That they know that they're going to make a return 186 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: and it's going to be relevant from my kind of following. 187 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: But then again, like I always think that obviously, doing 188 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: the influencer kind of thing is a massive thing that 189 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: that's going to start off the rest of your life. 190 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: So you have to be smart enough to really create 191 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: something else on top of that, and that's where like 192 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: your real business really starts because you have that platform. 193 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 2: That's really cool. And obviously there's a lot of positives 194 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: that come from being an influencer, but I would assume 195 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 2: there's lots of negatives. And you know, you see people 196 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 2: who are being trolled online and that kind of thing. 197 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 2: What would be the most negative thing about being an influencer? 198 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: I guess there's a lot of There is a lot 199 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: of that negative troll and you know, people just sitting 200 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: behind their keyboards and stuff like that. But there's also 201 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: like a massive stigma around influencers and them doing no 202 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: work and everything taking it easily. And there's a lot 203 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: of influencers out there that really take advantage of a 204 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: lot of people and they get told they're stuck up 205 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: and things like that. So people really as soon as 206 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: you say you're in that kind of field, that will 207 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: automatically think you're that kind of person. So there's a 208 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: big stigma around that and you really get classed as 209 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: if one influencer does something bad, it affects everyone and. 210 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 3: What makes sense? 211 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, and what ways do you go about trying to 212 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: break that stigma with the brands and people that you 213 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 2: work with. 214 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: I always just make sure that I try and just 215 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: stay real and authentic. I never try and promote anything 216 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: that I haven't used or anything like that. 217 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 3: And I guess just with the anything I post. 218 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: I just try to be real about it and not 219 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: trying and put a fake For saner On, I think 220 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: that's a big reason why I guess a lot of 221 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 1: my followers have taken a good liking to me as well. 222 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 2: And do you think it's also about perhaps not aligning 223 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: with yourself with those people who could be perceived in 224 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 2: that negative light as well? I suppose there's an influencer 225 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 2: you must go to these events where there's perhaps people 226 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 2: that are putting a bad light on other influence. Is 227 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 2: it important to you who you align yourself with as well? 228 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a big thing as well. Like I 229 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: know people in the past have had that kind of issue. 230 00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: I guess for me, I've never really had your many 231 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: problem with it, even though, like I've been too events 232 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: with people that have been like very controversial and stuff 233 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: like that, and I think they just as long as 234 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: you're staying real to your like to your followers and 235 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: basically posting posting things that are very real about your 236 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: whole life, and you don't change for anyone else, then 237 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: your followers are really they know that you're not going 238 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: to take their side or go into that other you know, 239 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: change your personality. 240 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 2: And what is it actually like being at one of 241 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 2: those influencer events, because we obviously see the videos and 242 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 2: the Insta stories and it looks like most of the 243 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 2: time people are just on their phones or I don't know, 244 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 2: Can you sort of give us an insight into the 245 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 2: reality of being at one of those events. 246 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: I think for myself, it's actually one of my favorite 247 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: events to go to other ones that are influent events 248 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: because you really are a lot of the time you 249 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: don't get to catch up with a lot of the influencers. 250 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: So I know myself, I catch myself all the time 251 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: just having too much fun and catching up with a 252 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: lot of people that I actually don't see for a 253 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: long time instead of being on my phone. 254 00:10:58,120 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 3: But that's just me. 255 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: You do see a lot of the people that are 256 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: just constantly taken a lot of photos and are they're 257 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: just basically get some content. 258 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 3: And then leave. So I think you really kind of 259 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 3: have a couple of different kind of people that are there. 260 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: But it is it's one of those things that where 261 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: everything goes, everything's over the top. 262 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 3: The brands are really trying. 263 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: To get over the top design and styling and stuff 264 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: like that. 265 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 3: Just so people do post a lot more as well. 266 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 2: Sof and I we run our own business. We run 267 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 2: a public relations business, so we actually work from home 268 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 2: and often sometimes we feel of a little bit of guilt. 269 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: You know, you always have to feel like you're doing 270 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 2: something constantly. Do you feel like that sometimes because you've 271 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: gone from the nine to five job and obviously you 272 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 2: can work from the comfort of your own house, do 273 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 2: you often feel guilty. 274 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a massive thing. 275 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: I know, Money and myself were because we're at home 276 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: most of the time together. 277 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 3: Doing our work. 278 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: And it's especially with our kind of personality, like we 279 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: love to be busy and we hate when we're not busy. 280 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 3: So that's a massive thing. Like it's the guilt. 281 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: And then also just I get bored a lot and 282 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: I get I guess like stressed as well. When I 283 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: don't have a lot of work like that, I like 284 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: to keep myself busy all the time. And then I 285 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,719 Speaker 1: guess the other side of that where people don't really 286 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: notice as well, is especially when you're by yourself and 287 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: you don't have like other influences around you, and does 288 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: kind of get like lonely if that makes sense, at 289 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 1: home because you go a whole day and you don't 290 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: speak with another human. 291 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a strange concept because your whole life 292 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 2: is based around I suppose, filming yourself taking photos. But 293 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 2: then do you find that you kind of just become 294 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 2: in your own little world because you're just focusing on you, 295 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 2: And I know I always find that would be this, 296 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 2: I think the strangest part of it because you're on 297 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 2: social media, so you're being social, but then, as you say, 298 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 2: you're at home by yourself, So it's kind of quite 299 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: contradictory the lifestyle, isn't it. 300 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely I noticed that a lot when I was 301 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: in Brisbane, like probably the last year, and I kind 302 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: of got myself away from that. I'm having Most of 303 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: my best friends were all like Trady's and people that 304 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 1: really didn't use social media, and I kind of like, 305 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: I like that because then I could separate myself from 306 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 1: what I was doing as well, because you're always, I guess, 307 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: like expected to post most days, post a lot of 308 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 1: stories and that kind of thing. 309 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 3: So I kind of us that that was my way 310 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 3: of escaping it. 311 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: But now being down in I guess in Sydney and 312 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: being around a lot more people that did a similar thing, 313 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: and I guess when you're just really happy with how 314 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: your life is, it's a lot easier for you just 315 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: to get a lot of content as well. And it's 316 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: it just comes like second nature to us now, so 317 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 1: we just do our own thing at home, but then 318 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: when we go out and actually do things, it's easy 319 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: just to just I guess, like natural now for us 320 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: to get that kind of content. 321 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 2: And you've obviously been into quite high profile relationships which 322 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 2: have both played out online. What is it like having 323 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 2: a relationship so public. 324 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 3: I don't think it's it's had any issues. 325 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: Maddie and I are just basically just too normal people 326 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 1: that we just live our own lives every now and 327 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: then we have to like answer a few questions about 328 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: certain things. 329 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 3: But both of us haven't been in the same industry. 330 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,839 Speaker 1: I think it's been like the best thing that's happened 331 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: to us, I know myself anyway, just having someone there 332 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: that you can just like speak to about anything, like 333 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: ask for their opinion, and we just motivate each other 334 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: all the time with everything that we do. So for me, 335 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: it's like, I don't have any issues with it because 336 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: we are just two normal people that we go and 337 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: just do our whole lives together, just completely normal. 338 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 3: It's just that I guess people think of you a little. 339 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: Bit differently, and every now and then you have to 340 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: answer a few questions about that. 341 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 3: And people will talk about it. 342 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's really just motivating. We just motivate each 343 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: other and it's actually really helpful. 344 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 2: And I'm so sorry because I know x's are a 345 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 2: bit of a touchy topic. But was it quite difficult 346 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 2: having your breakup played out online? Because I know it 347 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 2: was one of Shiny Kruman's most viewed videos, and I know, 348 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 2: like it would be quite difficult having that information out 349 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 2: there also on the other person, you know, the other 350 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 2: person bringing out those breakups hard enough without it being 351 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 2: over social Mediaah, No. 352 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 3: It was. 353 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: I guess it was difficult in certain certain ways. More 354 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: just the fact of trying to be myself and trying 355 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: to be myself in public. So a lot of people 356 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: would just constantly just they know me through her, and 357 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: it was just I'd go anywhere and it was always 358 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: your so and so those ex not You're. 359 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 3: Jonathan, Yeah, if that makes sense. 360 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: So just being known for your own person, I guess 361 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: was probably the most frustrating thing, and that was the 362 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: hard part about it, But the rest of it was 363 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: it was quite easy. 364 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 3: Like you do have people that talk about it. 365 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: But I feel like in any kind of thing these 366 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: days in the world, you always kind of you're going 367 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: to have people that talk about you in different ways, 368 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: and it's just how you deal with it, I guess. 369 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 2: And obviously you're with an extremely You're in a fantastic 370 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 2: relationship now with Madison, And we've had a little bit 371 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: about how the two of you met, but you you've 372 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: sort of spoken a bit about on YouTube, But are 373 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 2: you able to explain to our listeners how you guys. 374 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: Met MADDI lived in Brisbane for a while and we 375 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: knew each other's like basically I knew every single one 376 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: of her friends before I met her. She was the 377 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: last one of the whole friendship group, and we have 378 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: a lot of mutual friends and we've been at events 379 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: and just lots of different things together, but we didn't 380 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: even know. 381 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 3: And I guess it's been in like the influencer world. 382 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 3: Do you speak to a lot of other. 383 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: Influences just through social media a lot easier than you 384 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: do with everyone else. 385 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 3: And one day that it. 386 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: Was like a weekend and Maddie was out drinking with 387 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: a few friends and she just replied to one of 388 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: my stories. 389 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 2: And she split in the DMS. 390 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: She the DM. 391 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 3: Is that one of those things I'll always have over 392 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 3: now exactly. 393 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 2: Oh, that's a cool story. Do you kind of you've 394 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 2: got those first little first little message as well? 395 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, from from there, she because she was living in 396 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: Sydney at the time and I was living in Brisbane, 397 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: and then from then on she was basically coming back 398 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: to Brisbane like uh. 399 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 3: Five days later. 400 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: And then we end up meeting out our friendship groups 401 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: met out at a bar and we kind of had 402 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: drinks together from then and then caught up again a 403 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: couple of weeks later, a couple of days later. 404 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 3: And then we just yeah, I was down in Sydney a. 405 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: Lot for work, and I had shoots and stuff down here, 406 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: so we just kept kept catching up after that and 407 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: it kind of went from there. 408 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 2: That's cool. I mean, I've my boyfriend used to live 409 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 2: in Sydney and we did long distance three years, so 410 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 2: I know how difficult it is. But was it made 411 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 2: a little bit easier for you having that flexible lifestyle, 412 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 2: being able to go back, you know, to and from 413 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:32,719 Speaker 2: Brisbane and Sydney. 414 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: No, it was, it was, It was actually really easy. 415 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 1: We basically only spent before I moved down here. I 416 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: think we spent two weeks away from each other in 417 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: one block, which when Matt was when Maddie went overseas. 418 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 3: Other than that, I think we spent maybe. 419 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: I think it was under a week where we hadn't 420 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: spent like a week together, and that was that was 421 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: the moment we hadn't spent together. So obviously with our job, 422 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: we can work anywhere from what with Wi Fi and 423 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: our laptops. And it was actually good because I was 424 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: getting a lot more work done when I was around 425 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: her because she was kind of motivating me in that sense, 426 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: which was also another really good thing. 427 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 3: So it worked out really well. 428 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 2: That's heaps good and from what we've seen of the 429 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 2: videos that you guys have done together, you seem to 430 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: be I'm going to put it out there the best 431 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 2: boyfriend of Instagram, and I'm pretty sure that he's a 432 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 2: pretty good girlfriend of Instagram too. What would be your tips? 433 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 2: Because my boyfriend hates taking photographs, we went on a 434 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 2: European holiday and it was not good. What would be 435 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 2: your advice to boyfriends out there on how to be 436 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 2: a good boyfriend of Instagram. 437 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 3: Oh, that's a hard one. 438 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: I feel like you just got to be very very 439 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: patient and supportives, and basically you just got to ask 440 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: a lot of questions. You just gotta if you do 441 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: round one when you're taking photos, you do round one 442 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: and basically just asking what's wrong with it? 443 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 3: What is you? 444 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 2: James? 445 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 3: And then just go from there. 446 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 2: That's some very good advice. And what about and what 447 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: about for men wanting to take their own photos as well? 448 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 2: Your Instagram feed obviously is very impressive. Do you have 449 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 2: any tips about for men about how to take good 450 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 2: photos of themselves as well and getting a bit more 451 00:18:58,800 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 2: creative in their content. 452 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good one as well. I just kind 453 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 3: of like being different. 454 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 1: I try and I follow a few people from overseas 455 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: like that. I like them for inspiration, but I'm one 456 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: of those people that have always kind of just like, 457 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: if Maddie says that she likes it photo, I would 458 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: have been like, Okay, I might not like it that much, 459 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: but she's gonna be honest with me, and if she 460 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: likes it. 461 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 3: I feel like everyone else is gonna like it. 462 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: So I always ask for advice and if someone if 463 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: she says she does like it, I just it. 464 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 2: And we've seen in the past, you've been creating a 465 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 2: lot of videos about you know, fashion, which are great 466 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 2: for men because there's really not that much stuff out 467 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 2: there for them. Is that something you're looking at creating 468 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 2: more of. 469 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. 470 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: I think it's a bit harder for like maybe the 471 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: last month I haven't been able to do it, but 472 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: I am looking to do it as soon as possible again, 473 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: especially with like the festival season coming up. 474 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 3: But I just felt like the exact same. 475 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: I saw a guy do it overseas about six months ago, 476 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: and I've been looking at it for a long time 477 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: and I was like, this is really cool. I would 478 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: love to do it, and it's something that I feel 479 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: like styling. There's something I've always loved to try and 480 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: I would love to get into as a job. But 481 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 1: I wanted to try, and yeah, because I always had 482 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: a lot of girls that were commented on my on 483 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: my photos and say and tag their boyfriends and say like, 484 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: you should get this outfit, you should get this outfit, 485 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 1: And I thought that was an easy way for me 486 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: to try and get new ideas out there and help 487 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: out people like that as well, and then obviously also 488 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: to boost my male following as well and get my 489 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: name out of there in that way. 490 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,479 Speaker 2: That's really cool. You mentioned obviously you get a lot 491 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 2: of messages from girls on there, and we always hear 492 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 2: these horror stories about female influencers getting sent I suppose, 493 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 2: like you know, unsolicited photos. As a male influencer, do 494 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 2: you ever get sent anything you feel a bit uncomfortable about? 495 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, there's definitely. So. 496 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: I feel like there's a big stigma around guys, mean, 497 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 1: like really really bad and girls doing nothing. Yeah. 498 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 3: I feel like when you really see it, it's i'd say, 499 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 3: it's just as bad really. 500 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: Ah. Yeah, you get some and it's always at the 501 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: worst time as well, when you're not expecting something like. 502 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 2: That we were talking to you. 503 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 3: You look at it and you're like, oh. 504 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 2: Well, that's yeah, we were talking to an influencer we know. 505 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 2: And she was saying that it's hard because the photos 506 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 2: will show up as little tiles and you have to 507 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 2: sort of click on it to see what it is. 508 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 3: You're like, oh, my god, exactly. 509 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: And I try, and over the last couple of months, 510 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: I've really tried to get back to everyone on my 511 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: social media and like try and reply as much as 512 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: I can. And it's hard because, like you, you really 513 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: aren't expecting it, and you'll get someone with like you'll 514 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: get like a young person send your message and they'll 515 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: be just like being really nice and being so innocent, 516 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: and then you really don't expect it. 517 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 3: And the next one it is do something just super graphic, and. 518 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 2: We're talking about obviously, well, I suppose these an't really 519 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 2: nice messages, but these are from people who admire you. 520 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 2: But just back to the issue of trolling, what would 521 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 2: you say to people out there who do troll influencers. 522 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: I actually reply to some people sometimes when they do 523 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: send those kind of messages to me, and I just 524 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: replied to them and say, like they really need to 525 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: just think before they send those messages. 526 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 3: I'm lucky where I can just let it go. 527 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: But I said, there's so many people out there that, 528 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: you know, have mental issues, and it's because of people 529 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: like them that they and they need to really like 530 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: think twice before they send something. I always grew up 531 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: with my parents always saying, you don't have anything nice 532 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: to say, don't say it at all. 533 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 3: But you know, there's so many people, like, the. 534 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: Suicide thing is just such a big, such a big 535 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: problem at the moment, and and there's so many, so 536 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,719 Speaker 1: many boyses out there that are trying to help it 537 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: and trying to improve everything. And then there's there's still 538 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: these guys that are still sending those trolling messages. 539 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 2: And what do you think the worst thing you've had 540 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 2: someone say to you? 541 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: Ah, there's been some really bad but you know, just 542 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: telling yourself that you need to kill yourself and all 543 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: those kind of things, they're just, yeah, there's some really 544 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: bad things. 545 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 3: I don't think it gets any worse than that. 546 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 2: It's disgusting. It's so shocking that people have this need 547 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 2: to go and tell people that, Like, I'm sure if 548 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 2: they saw you face to face, they wouldn't have the 549 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 2: guts to say any of it. 550 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly right. 551 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: And I think there's a lot of people that just 552 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: you know, they create these fake accounts and then just 553 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: send out these messages. I'm guessing they send the same 554 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: message out to a lot of people. But if they 555 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: don't have an issue with me, why watch my videos? 556 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: Why watch my follow me for a start, which I 557 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: guess is helping me. Yeah, in a way, I'm fine. 558 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: You keep following me if you want, but your messages 559 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: aren't going to affect me. 560 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 2: And it must be tough as well in that situation 561 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 2: as a boyfriend of an influencer as well, because I mean, 562 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 2: you know, if I was copying abuse, my boyfriend want 563 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 2: to step in and say something, but then you know, 564 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 2: it's a difficult territory. 565 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, it's just super protective. But I'm burried exactly 566 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: the same. Like if I got a message about Mattie, 567 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: I would say something like I find it hard to 568 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: say not say something back to it to that person 569 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: as well. 570 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 2: What I find so surprising though, is someone like you, you 571 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 2: only put out sort of really positive content, both yourself 572 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 2: and madisone, and for somebody to say that to you, 573 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: you know, go kill yourself. You just think what is 574 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 2: going on in that person's life for them to be 575 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 2: so hateful, And it's I'm assuming it's coming from a 576 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 2: place of of jealousy, but still it's awful that you 577 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 2: have to put up with that kind of stuff. 578 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly right. 579 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: And to be honest, I think there's a lot of 580 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: people that are jealous that even don't say anything, and 581 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: they they want to. They want to try and hold 582 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: you back as much as possible, so they're the ones 583 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: that create the fake accounts and do it. I just 584 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: feel like people just need to be more relaxed in life, 585 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 1: Like you don't have to follow people that you don't like. 586 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 3: Why waste your time and your whole life to follow. 587 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: People that you don't like and to and to waste 588 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,479 Speaker 1: your energy and comment on them. Everyone needs to follow 589 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: people and you know all that kind of stuff to 590 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: people that are going to listen up and make your 591 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: life better, not take you know, take their own life down. 592 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 2: That's so true. And I think that a lot of 593 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 2: the content, as Amy were saying, that you put out 594 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 2: is so positive. Watching your YouTube is a guilty pleasure 595 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 2: of Amy and I so we really enjoy your content. Yeah, 596 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 2: and so what I mean obviously as a viewer, what 597 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 2: are there a few things like if you could say 598 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 2: three things that would surprise your viewers to learn about you, 599 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 2: Is there some stuff that you know that you haven't 600 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 2: put out online that we might be shocked to know. 601 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: Probably the big one would be for everyone just thinks 602 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: you're an extrovert straight away and can go up and 603 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: can talk to anyone, and. 604 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 3: Super out going and that kind of thing. 605 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: But I think I'd probably class myself as an introvert 606 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: for most most cases unless. 607 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 3: I was with my friends. I can't. I can't. 608 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,239 Speaker 1: I find myself not being able to go and I 609 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: go up to a random and start talking to them. 610 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: I find that really hard and always kind of have. 611 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: But to my friends and people that I'm comfortable with, 612 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: I'm the complete opposite. And that's one thing that I 613 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: think everyone kind of expects straight away you to be 614 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 1: super out going and that kind of thing. 615 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 3: I don't know with the other ones. I'm very hard. 616 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 3: Was getting put on the spot, Nah, that. 617 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 2: Was a good I think that's a good response because 618 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 2: mostly most of the time you would think that someone 619 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 2: was an extrovert who was putting out so much at 620 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 2: their life, but I suppose because you're talking to a camera, 621 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 2: it's not like there's someone actually there. Just lastly, where 622 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 2: do you see your again? This might be a hard question, 623 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 2: but where do you see yourself in five years? 624 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 3: Well that's a good question as well. 625 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: I feel I get that question a lot, especially through 626 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: my DMS and stuff. But I think my main thing 627 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: I would love to again own my own business. I've 628 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: done it in the past and I would love to 629 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: do it again with the fashion industry, so trying to 630 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: bring out something that's especially for the male following this 631 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: time would be the best thing. So having my own 632 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: business in male fashion would be exact like obviously where 633 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: I want to be, having something that's sustainable and successful 634 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: at the time and being able to continually grow it. 635 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: So that's where I want to be in five years, 636 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: having something that's kind of well known in Australia because 637 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: there's not too many brands outside of the ones that 638 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: are in the shopping centers, and especially for your male following, 639 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: so I really wanted to try and make a change 640 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 1: in that. 641 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 2: And how would you describe your style? 642 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good one. 643 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: I feel like it's really changed in the last couple 644 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: of years. It used to be a lot of the 645 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: street style. But I love seeing you know, like the 646 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: indie plus all those kind of things. So I try 647 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: and incorporate as much as I can from each different 648 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: style and try and make it my own. If that 649 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 1: makes sense, I'd say, just completed a lot, a lot 650 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: of street style. 651 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 2: Like that's heap because I reckon you should bring out 652 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 2: a hoodie line. I feel like that would go off. 653 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 2: I feel that Jonathan is known for his white shoes, 654 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 2: so maybe his shoe line as well. 655 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 1: I would love for the shoes. I've always had a big, 656 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: true collection. It's something that I've always loved and that's 657 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,239 Speaker 1: probably my one I guess, what is it? 658 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 3: Like one thing? 659 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: I always buy too many of shoes, So that's one 660 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: thing that I would love to do. 661 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 2: Actually, Well, thank you so much for joining us. We 662 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 2: really appreciate you giving up your time. 663 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:28,479 Speaker 3: No ways, thanks for having me on