1 00:00:04,071 --> 00:00:07,431 Speaker 1: Black cast unite our voices, and. 2 00:00:07,431 --> 00:00:10,071 Speaker 2: We see in the media all the time of these 3 00:00:10,191 --> 00:00:12,951 Speaker 2: men who have a history of violence, they get a 4 00:00:12,991 --> 00:00:14,911 Speaker 2: slap on the wrists or you know, they get out 5 00:00:14,911 --> 00:00:16,391 Speaker 2: on bail and then they come out and end up 6 00:00:16,431 --> 00:00:19,471 Speaker 2: taking that person's life, which I just I really struggle 7 00:00:19,511 --> 00:00:21,911 Speaker 2: to come to terms with because it's it's a national 8 00:00:21,951 --> 00:00:24,511 Speaker 2: crisis and we've seen it time and time and time again. 9 00:00:24,711 --> 00:00:27,551 Speaker 2: You know, people and in particular like women losing their lives. 10 00:00:27,591 --> 00:00:29,311 Speaker 2: And I say that because I think it's very important 11 00:00:29,311 --> 00:00:32,031 Speaker 2: to you include that boys and men can be victims 12 00:00:32,031 --> 00:00:33,111 Speaker 2: of violence as well. 13 00:00:33,151 --> 00:00:34,311 Speaker 3: However, it's a gendered issue. 14 00:00:34,311 --> 00:00:38,431 Speaker 4: It's a it disproportionately impacts women and in particularly First 15 00:00:38,511 --> 00:00:38,911 Speaker 4: nations with. 16 00:00:39,111 --> 00:00:40,591 Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, that's right. 17 00:00:40,671 --> 00:00:41,751 Speaker 1: All of the data is out there. 18 00:00:41,911 --> 00:00:44,551 Speaker 3: Yeah, the data is there. Yeah. 19 00:00:45,151 --> 00:00:48,311 Speaker 4: Courtney Yugle is a proud Baladong and Wadandi lung a 20 00:00:48,431 --> 00:00:52,831 Speaker 4: woman from Bunbury, Western Australia and the founder of won Cany, 21 00:00:53,151 --> 00:00:59,031 Speaker 4: a social enterprise empowering individuals and communities to transform adversity 22 00:00:59,471 --> 00:01:04,031 Speaker 4: into influence through the power of storytelling. Through keynotes, works 23 00:01:04,071 --> 00:01:09,671 Speaker 4: and consultancy, Courtney facilitates meaningful conversations that promote cultural wisdom. 24 00:01:09,631 --> 00:01:10,951 Speaker 1: Resilience, and growth. 25 00:01:11,071 --> 00:01:14,671 Speaker 4: A work is grounded in sharing real stories and creating 26 00:01:14,711 --> 00:01:18,151 Speaker 4: spaces where lived experience becomes strength. 27 00:01:18,351 --> 00:01:20,191 Speaker 1: Courtney, Welcome to the podcast. 28 00:01:20,471 --> 00:01:22,951 Speaker 2: Thanks this, Thanks for having me. It's taken us a while, 29 00:01:22,951 --> 00:01:23,951 Speaker 2: but we're finally here. 30 00:01:24,151 --> 00:01:25,671 Speaker 1: We're here. Sis. 31 00:01:25,991 --> 00:01:30,271 Speaker 4: If you had to describe who you are outside of 32 00:01:30,351 --> 00:01:34,271 Speaker 4: the work that you do with your public speaking, your advocacy, 33 00:01:34,751 --> 00:01:37,311 Speaker 4: and as an athlete, where would you start. 34 00:01:37,631 --> 00:01:40,431 Speaker 2: I don't even know because I feel like football and 35 00:01:40,511 --> 00:01:43,231 Speaker 2: my work is so much of who I am organically. 36 00:01:43,711 --> 00:01:47,271 Speaker 2: But I think I'll probably best explain myself as a 37 00:01:47,311 --> 00:01:52,631 Speaker 2: coffee snob, a real sensitive soul. I'm a very optimistic person, 38 00:01:52,631 --> 00:01:55,111 Speaker 2: so I feel like I live with the mindset of 39 00:01:55,111 --> 00:01:57,551 Speaker 2: the glass hulf full, so I'm always open to doing things. 40 00:01:58,551 --> 00:02:01,031 Speaker 2: If the coffee is good, I'm there. I love serving 41 00:02:01,111 --> 00:02:02,831 Speaker 2: time of family, and you'll find me at the beach. 42 00:02:03,631 --> 00:02:07,351 Speaker 4: How were you before the titles, before afl W, before 43 00:02:07,391 --> 00:02:08,111 Speaker 4: the advocacy. 44 00:02:08,951 --> 00:02:10,991 Speaker 2: I was just a little nong our girl from Bumbrie. 45 00:02:11,631 --> 00:02:14,751 Speaker 2: When I think about my life now, sometimes I cash 46 00:02:14,831 --> 00:02:17,151 Speaker 2: myself thinking like this, this life wasn't even in my 47 00:02:17,231 --> 00:02:20,951 Speaker 2: dreams because it seems so far from reality, and sometimes I. 48 00:02:21,031 --> 00:02:23,951 Speaker 3: Really, I really don't think that this is real, you know. 49 00:02:24,031 --> 00:02:26,071 Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm just a little nong our girl from 50 00:02:26,071 --> 00:02:28,511 Speaker 2: Bumbrie who did have big dreams but didn't think it 51 00:02:28,551 --> 00:02:30,431 Speaker 2: was you know, that it was possible to even live 52 00:02:30,471 --> 00:02:30,991 Speaker 2: this life. 53 00:02:31,031 --> 00:02:32,231 Speaker 5: Now, we're going to. 54 00:02:32,271 --> 00:02:34,311 Speaker 4: Dive into this light now, but we're going to kick 55 00:02:34,311 --> 00:02:38,351 Speaker 4: off with these conversation cards that I prepared earlier. 56 00:02:38,671 --> 00:02:40,911 Speaker 1: Right, what is the hardest thing you've ever done in 57 00:02:40,951 --> 00:02:41,511 Speaker 1: your life? 58 00:02:42,151 --> 00:02:45,111 Speaker 2: When I think about like hard moments, you know, it 59 00:02:45,231 --> 00:02:47,231 Speaker 2: was when I was sitting around the table with my 60 00:02:47,471 --> 00:02:49,951 Speaker 2: siblings and we were organizing our mum's funeral. 61 00:02:50,471 --> 00:02:51,271 Speaker 3: That was pretty tough. 62 00:02:52,391 --> 00:02:54,111 Speaker 4: Do you speak about your mom a lot and the 63 00:02:54,151 --> 00:02:58,111 Speaker 4: work that you do. And the first time I met you. 64 00:02:57,351 --> 00:02:59,231 Speaker 3: You came running up onto the stage to give me 65 00:02:59,231 --> 00:03:00,231 Speaker 3: a hug if. 66 00:03:00,271 --> 00:03:05,671 Speaker 4: Anyone needs a huge's ever said that after a keynote, 67 00:03:05,751 --> 00:03:08,551 Speaker 4: if anyone needs a hug, like I'm here, and I. 68 00:03:08,591 --> 00:03:11,231 Speaker 3: Just came up straight to me, No shame. 69 00:03:11,951 --> 00:03:15,071 Speaker 4: Was it the Hilton or the Sophatel At a Indigenous 70 00:03:15,111 --> 00:03:19,751 Speaker 4: women in leadership conference and I was bawling my eyes 71 00:03:19,791 --> 00:03:24,551 Speaker 4: out because I lost my mom and your kind of 72 00:03:25,471 --> 00:03:28,751 Speaker 4: your story. Talking about your mom just made me. 73 00:03:28,711 --> 00:03:29,471 Speaker 1: Miss my mom. 74 00:03:29,671 --> 00:03:35,431 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I didn't think i'd cry today, but I 75 00:03:35,511 --> 00:03:38,031 Speaker 4: just thought to myself, if I could share who my 76 00:03:38,151 --> 00:03:40,871 Speaker 4: mom was, I talk about her every day and keep 77 00:03:40,871 --> 00:03:43,871 Speaker 4: her memory alive every day, I would. But it's still 78 00:03:44,151 --> 00:03:48,151 Speaker 4: twenty five years later, it's so hard to talk about 79 00:03:48,191 --> 00:03:51,111 Speaker 4: a woman who has had so such an impact on 80 00:03:51,191 --> 00:03:53,991 Speaker 4: me as a young black woman to be the woman 81 00:03:54,031 --> 00:03:56,391 Speaker 4: that I am today, Like she shaped who I was 82 00:03:56,791 --> 00:03:57,991 Speaker 4: and who I was becoming. 83 00:03:58,511 --> 00:04:00,351 Speaker 1: And I wouldn't be who I am without her. 84 00:04:01,511 --> 00:04:02,471 Speaker 5: Yeah, yep. 85 00:04:02,991 --> 00:04:05,711 Speaker 2: And I I remember knowing that it was okay for 86 00:04:05,711 --> 00:04:07,311 Speaker 2: me to say, does anyone need a hug? Because when 87 00:04:07,311 --> 00:04:09,551 Speaker 2: you are in a room full of black follows, regardless 88 00:04:09,591 --> 00:04:11,951 Speaker 2: if we have the same story, similar stories, I knew 89 00:04:11,951 --> 00:04:14,551 Speaker 2: that people in the room got what I was talking about, 90 00:04:14,551 --> 00:04:16,751 Speaker 2: and so you know, I said, offered my hug, but 91 00:04:16,791 --> 00:04:17,751 Speaker 2: I think I needed that. 92 00:04:18,391 --> 00:04:26,431 Speaker 6: You need it, followers, No, because my mom, I'm telling you, 93 00:04:26,471 --> 00:04:29,511 Speaker 6: she talks in lights and I've got vision and of everything. 94 00:04:29,551 --> 00:04:29,671 Speaker 5: Now. 95 00:04:29,671 --> 00:04:31,391 Speaker 2: I know if there's been going off today, but I 96 00:04:31,391 --> 00:04:34,591 Speaker 2: don't know that that is just on side. 97 00:04:34,871 --> 00:04:37,711 Speaker 5: That's Mum telling me I'm here. 98 00:04:37,911 --> 00:04:40,471 Speaker 2: Yeah, And just to your point too, Sis, Like, I 99 00:04:40,591 --> 00:04:43,111 Speaker 2: like that you said you want to talk about your mum, right, 100 00:04:43,151 --> 00:04:44,831 Speaker 2: because it's going to be ten years for my mum 101 00:04:45,191 --> 00:04:47,991 Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks, and I feel like not 102 00:04:48,031 --> 00:04:50,271 Speaker 2: many people ask me how I'm dealing with my mom's death, 103 00:04:50,351 --> 00:04:52,751 Speaker 2: like at the age I am now, and I feel 104 00:04:52,791 --> 00:04:55,871 Speaker 2: like I need her more now than I did when 105 00:04:55,911 --> 00:04:58,831 Speaker 2: it first happened, because for so long I feel like 106 00:04:58,871 --> 00:05:01,191 Speaker 2: I was living just in pure shock and survival mode 107 00:05:01,191 --> 00:05:04,391 Speaker 2: that now, as an adult coming into my thirties, this 108 00:05:04,431 --> 00:05:06,231 Speaker 2: is where I feel like I miss her the most. 109 00:05:06,271 --> 00:05:08,231 Speaker 2: And so you know, like you just said, twenty five 110 00:05:08,311 --> 00:05:10,671 Speaker 2: years on, you can still feel that same kind of 111 00:05:11,031 --> 00:05:14,751 Speaker 2: pain and love that you know that your mum gave you. 112 00:05:14,831 --> 00:05:17,471 Speaker 2: And I feel like sometimes those conversations aren't had because 113 00:05:17,511 --> 00:05:21,311 Speaker 2: I'm up sharing this story. That's it's not necessarily me 114 00:05:21,471 --> 00:05:24,471 Speaker 2: having those one on one conversations with the impact that 115 00:05:24,511 --> 00:05:26,791 Speaker 2: it still has on me this day. 116 00:05:26,911 --> 00:05:29,711 Speaker 1: So ten years ago you lost your mum, Yeah, And 117 00:05:31,231 --> 00:05:32,831 Speaker 1: I know from hearing you speak. 118 00:05:32,871 --> 00:05:35,111 Speaker 4: Now I've had the privilege of listening to you three 119 00:05:35,151 --> 00:05:39,071 Speaker 4: times and every time I brace myself. 120 00:05:39,151 --> 00:05:40,311 Speaker 1: I know what I'm in for. 121 00:05:40,751 --> 00:05:46,831 Speaker 4: And I've watched you really literally harness your craft, your 122 00:05:47,391 --> 00:05:52,311 Speaker 4: natural ability to be able to tell a story and 123 00:05:52,711 --> 00:05:55,511 Speaker 4: lead and I know where it's going. But you draw 124 00:05:55,591 --> 00:05:58,591 Speaker 4: people in and you can hold people's attention. Not many 125 00:05:58,631 --> 00:06:02,511 Speaker 4: people can do that without the emotions, Like you hold 126 00:06:02,511 --> 00:06:05,871 Speaker 4: yourself back. You can try all your emotions and it's 127 00:06:05,991 --> 00:06:09,511 Speaker 4: like the strength. I can feel the strength when you've 128 00:06:09,671 --> 00:06:12,631 Speaker 4: spoken and when I've listened to you even and watched 129 00:06:12,631 --> 00:06:15,631 Speaker 4: your on social media. You can feel this strength. And 130 00:06:15,671 --> 00:06:18,191 Speaker 4: I'm always think, you know, that's your mom. She's kind 131 00:06:18,231 --> 00:06:20,111 Speaker 4: of there's a reason why you do what you do. 132 00:06:20,671 --> 00:06:22,391 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's funny that you said that, because I think, 133 00:06:22,431 --> 00:06:24,111 Speaker 2: how did I even get here? I didn't even know. 134 00:06:24,431 --> 00:06:27,071 Speaker 2: I didn't go to training. I didn't go to media 135 00:06:27,111 --> 00:06:29,471 Speaker 2: training or anything like that to develop this. It just 136 00:06:30,031 --> 00:06:32,311 Speaker 2: it just honestly, how did it happen? 137 00:06:32,431 --> 00:06:35,791 Speaker 4: Tell us how you fell into this work of advocacy 138 00:06:35,871 --> 00:06:36,791 Speaker 4: and public speaking. 139 00:06:37,231 --> 00:06:37,471 Speaker 3: Yeah. 140 00:06:37,551 --> 00:06:39,311 Speaker 2: So it's a bit of a it's a bit of 141 00:06:39,311 --> 00:06:40,951 Speaker 2: a feel good story, but kind of sad at the 142 00:06:40,991 --> 00:06:44,031 Speaker 2: same time. So when mum had made the decision that 143 00:06:44,031 --> 00:06:45,591 Speaker 2: she was going to get her life back on track, 144 00:06:45,631 --> 00:06:48,151 Speaker 2: get clean and move from Bumbriy to Perth, where we 145 00:06:48,431 --> 00:06:50,551 Speaker 2: all of her kids and gring kids were living. We 146 00:06:50,671 --> 00:06:52,671 Speaker 2: kind of were like, you know, empty promises, have heard 147 00:06:52,671 --> 00:06:55,471 Speaker 2: this before, but she surprised us all and she made 148 00:06:55,511 --> 00:06:58,631 Speaker 2: the move from Bumbriy to Perth and so a good 149 00:06:58,631 --> 00:07:00,751 Speaker 2: friend of mine, Craig Cortermain, worked at the ABC and 150 00:07:00,791 --> 00:07:02,591 Speaker 2: he wanted to capture this feel good story, you know, 151 00:07:02,671 --> 00:07:05,271 Speaker 2: mum getting clean, coming back to her babies and her 152 00:07:05,271 --> 00:07:07,991 Speaker 2: grandkids and coming to footy because he was heavily involved 153 00:07:07,991 --> 00:07:10,111 Speaker 2: in our footy club at the time as well, and me, 154 00:07:10,191 --> 00:07:11,911 Speaker 2: I'm not camera shy, so I was like, yeah, let's 155 00:07:11,951 --> 00:07:14,431 Speaker 2: definitely capture this, like this would be so cool, and 156 00:07:14,511 --> 00:07:17,311 Speaker 2: everyone in the family kind of agreed to it and 157 00:07:17,351 --> 00:07:21,231 Speaker 2: it was really exciting. And then then yeah, and then 158 00:07:21,271 --> 00:07:25,271 Speaker 2: we obviously we lost mum. And a few months later 159 00:07:25,311 --> 00:07:26,911 Speaker 2: he came to me and said, you know, I don't 160 00:07:26,951 --> 00:07:29,391 Speaker 2: want to be insensitive, but would you be open to 161 00:07:29,471 --> 00:07:31,751 Speaker 2: kind of sharing your story now, And after obviously speaking 162 00:07:31,791 --> 00:07:34,631 Speaker 2: with my siblings and my family, I decided, yep, I 163 00:07:34,671 --> 00:07:36,991 Speaker 2: want to share it. And from that moment on, I 164 00:07:37,031 --> 00:07:41,791 Speaker 2: haven't stopped talking. And I really think that everything lifted 165 00:07:41,831 --> 00:07:44,231 Speaker 2: for me the moment that I moved to Melbourne there 166 00:07:44,231 --> 00:07:45,551 Speaker 2: was a whole wide world out there for me that 167 00:07:45,591 --> 00:07:47,871 Speaker 2: I had no idea. I knew the coffee was good 168 00:07:47,871 --> 00:07:50,671 Speaker 2: over here, but I didn't know what else was waiting 169 00:07:50,711 --> 00:07:52,831 Speaker 2: for me. But I think the footy club at the time, 170 00:07:52,911 --> 00:07:55,951 Speaker 2: Essendon Football Club, really gave me that platform to share 171 00:07:55,991 --> 00:07:58,471 Speaker 2: my story and it really kind of took off from there. 172 00:08:02,191 --> 00:08:05,831 Speaker 4: So you were involved in football, is it every day? 173 00:08:05,911 --> 00:08:06,791 Speaker 4: Like this is your life? 174 00:08:06,791 --> 00:08:10,591 Speaker 2: You train every day, no wear semi professional athletes, so 175 00:08:10,991 --> 00:08:14,351 Speaker 2: no I work, you know, walking is my full time work, 176 00:08:14,391 --> 00:08:16,791 Speaker 2: and I feel like footy is my hobby. But footy 177 00:08:16,791 --> 00:08:18,751 Speaker 2: has been in my life forever and it definitely it 178 00:08:18,871 --> 00:08:20,511 Speaker 2: saved my life, it really did. 179 00:08:21,391 --> 00:08:21,991 Speaker 5: But I'm coming. 180 00:08:22,031 --> 00:08:25,111 Speaker 2: I'm probably closer to the end of my footy journey 181 00:08:25,151 --> 00:08:26,231 Speaker 2: than the beginning. 182 00:08:25,871 --> 00:08:28,671 Speaker 3: And that's just naturally. It was always going to happen. 183 00:08:29,231 --> 00:08:31,871 Speaker 2: And with warkening taken off now like I know that 184 00:08:31,911 --> 00:08:33,511 Speaker 2: I've got to give at the time and energy that 185 00:08:33,591 --> 00:08:34,511 Speaker 2: it deserves. 186 00:08:34,551 --> 00:08:35,351 Speaker 3: We've got some really. 187 00:08:35,191 --> 00:08:38,551 Speaker 2: Great momentum at the moment, but I must, I have 188 00:08:38,591 --> 00:08:41,071 Speaker 2: to give credit where it's due. I didn't even really 189 00:08:41,151 --> 00:08:44,071 Speaker 2: understand the advocacy side of work until I moved to 190 00:08:44,111 --> 00:08:45,271 Speaker 2: Melbourne and my. 191 00:08:45,271 --> 00:08:48,271 Speaker 3: First job here was with Dura and Durra is. 192 00:08:48,271 --> 00:08:51,711 Speaker 2: An Aboriginal family legal service, and it was like the 193 00:08:51,791 --> 00:08:55,311 Speaker 2: perfect job, right, But I was. I was working in 194 00:08:55,351 --> 00:08:57,951 Speaker 2: the program as a Young Love facilitator and this program 195 00:08:58,031 --> 00:09:01,191 Speaker 2: was for Averaginal girls across Victoria, promoting healthy and safe relationships. 196 00:09:01,511 --> 00:09:04,071 Speaker 2: And this would have been only two year after my 197 00:09:04,151 --> 00:09:07,231 Speaker 2: mum's death. That working in this space where they advocate 198 00:09:07,351 --> 00:09:10,551 Speaker 2: advocate for women and children, so. 199 00:09:10,471 --> 00:09:12,231 Speaker 1: The domestic and family violent space. 200 00:09:12,431 --> 00:09:14,551 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, again, a whole other world out there, right, 201 00:09:14,551 --> 00:09:16,231 Speaker 2: And I remember looking around thinking we didn't have this, 202 00:09:16,311 --> 00:09:17,871 Speaker 2: you know, when we were grown up, Like what if 203 00:09:17,951 --> 00:09:20,271 Speaker 2: we had this, could mum still be here today? But 204 00:09:20,351 --> 00:09:22,391 Speaker 2: what I found is that I hadn't even healed. I 205 00:09:22,431 --> 00:09:24,711 Speaker 2: hadn't even a greeved my mum. And that work in my. 206 00:09:24,711 --> 00:09:26,151 Speaker 3: Face every day was quite tough. 207 00:09:26,191 --> 00:09:27,191 Speaker 1: So I was triggering. 208 00:09:27,311 --> 00:09:28,471 Speaker 5: It was it was, you know. 209 00:09:28,471 --> 00:09:30,631 Speaker 2: I remember going to a training and they were reading 210 00:09:30,671 --> 00:09:32,431 Speaker 2: out case studies and it was as if they were 211 00:09:32,431 --> 00:09:34,951 Speaker 2: reading out my mum's case study, you know, and it 212 00:09:34,991 --> 00:09:37,271 Speaker 2: probably wasn't, but it close to. It was way too close. 213 00:09:37,311 --> 00:09:39,471 Speaker 2: And I remember that feeling inside of me. I was thinking, 214 00:09:39,511 --> 00:09:40,271 Speaker 2: I'm not right, you know. 215 00:09:40,351 --> 00:09:40,751 Speaker 5: I need to. 216 00:09:41,071 --> 00:09:42,391 Speaker 3: I need to do something about this. 217 00:09:42,471 --> 00:09:44,631 Speaker 2: So you stepped away for a little bit, worked in 218 00:09:44,711 --> 00:09:47,551 Speaker 2: the AFL system for a little while, which was great, 219 00:09:47,551 --> 00:09:50,711 Speaker 2: and then found my way back at Jia coordinating the 220 00:09:50,711 --> 00:09:55,191 Speaker 2: Young Love program. And so I all these years later, 221 00:09:55,351 --> 00:09:57,591 Speaker 2: you know, I was a stronger version of myself and 222 00:09:57,671 --> 00:10:00,071 Speaker 2: really built that program back up to where it deserves 223 00:10:00,111 --> 00:10:03,671 Speaker 2: to be. Because in COVID it definitely as every I 224 00:10:03,791 --> 00:10:06,751 Speaker 2: think it was impacted, of course, but I think when 225 00:10:06,831 --> 00:10:09,311 Speaker 2: you have passion and purpose or something, you know it's 226 00:10:09,351 --> 00:10:12,111 Speaker 2: not it's not a job. But that's when Workening came alive, 227 00:10:12,151 --> 00:10:14,151 Speaker 2: and I knew that I couldn't I couldn't give one 228 00:10:14,191 --> 00:10:17,551 Speaker 2: hundred percent to both because that Young Love deserved one 229 00:10:17,591 --> 00:10:20,671 Speaker 2: hundred percent, but my baby Warkeening also deserved one hundred 230 00:10:20,671 --> 00:10:21,191 Speaker 2: percent too. 231 00:10:21,831 --> 00:10:24,591 Speaker 1: I can't wait to get more into marketing. Eh. What 232 00:10:24,711 --> 00:10:26,711 Speaker 1: scares you the most today? 233 00:10:28,711 --> 00:10:33,111 Speaker 5: It's gonna be a little bit deep We love deep dying. 234 00:10:33,551 --> 00:10:36,551 Speaker 2: Yeah, it really scares It really scares me. Like you know, 235 00:10:36,631 --> 00:10:40,111 Speaker 2: I've because I've seen what it has done when it's happened, 236 00:10:40,471 --> 00:10:44,351 Speaker 2: when it has come in complete shock and tragedy. You know, 237 00:10:44,391 --> 00:10:45,991 Speaker 2: we lost our dad when we were young, as well, 238 00:10:45,991 --> 00:10:49,111 Speaker 2: and then mum, you know, so sudden. That scares me 239 00:10:49,151 --> 00:10:50,631 Speaker 2: because of the impact they had on me and my 240 00:10:50,711 --> 00:10:53,311 Speaker 2: family and my siblings. You see what it does to 241 00:10:53,351 --> 00:10:57,111 Speaker 2: people that I would It scares me that if anything 242 00:10:57,111 --> 00:10:59,311 Speaker 2: happened to me, that my family, what it would do 243 00:10:59,351 --> 00:11:01,391 Speaker 2: to my family. And it's funny because people are like, 244 00:11:01,471 --> 00:11:04,871 Speaker 2: that's so, you know, that's quite dramatic, but you don't 245 00:11:04,871 --> 00:11:06,431 Speaker 2: think these things can happen to you, right, But I 246 00:11:06,471 --> 00:11:08,151 Speaker 2: lost my dad like that and I lost my mum 247 00:11:08,191 --> 00:11:11,391 Speaker 2: like that in both really traumatic circumstances. So for me, 248 00:11:11,471 --> 00:11:13,191 Speaker 2: it's like I can't help but to think about these 249 00:11:13,191 --> 00:11:15,111 Speaker 2: things because it's not like you. 250 00:11:15,111 --> 00:11:16,831 Speaker 3: Plan your life for that to happen. 251 00:11:16,911 --> 00:11:19,191 Speaker 2: Right, But if I'm in a position where i'm you know, 252 00:11:19,431 --> 00:11:23,311 Speaker 2: like and also the financial stress, you know, the emotional 253 00:11:23,711 --> 00:11:26,271 Speaker 2: pain that comes with the loss of a loved one, 254 00:11:26,911 --> 00:11:29,031 Speaker 2: I just my fear is that, like I don't want 255 00:11:29,071 --> 00:11:34,111 Speaker 2: my people to feel that deep, deep riddled pain, you know, 256 00:11:34,231 --> 00:11:37,591 Speaker 2: and like I don't know why, but I just And 257 00:11:37,591 --> 00:11:38,951 Speaker 2: that's probably why I'm like, oh my god, I need 258 00:11:38,991 --> 00:11:40,671 Speaker 2: to do this, I need to do that. But my 259 00:11:40,751 --> 00:11:43,111 Speaker 2: life is very lived and I want to echo that 260 00:11:43,151 --> 00:11:46,431 Speaker 2: it's very much lived. So you know, I think I've 261 00:11:46,431 --> 00:11:48,671 Speaker 2: got a long time, a long time on this ad, 262 00:11:48,711 --> 00:11:52,951 Speaker 2: but it does it does skim it yeah, and snakes 263 00:11:53,111 --> 00:11:56,911 Speaker 2: and snakes, which is crazy because that's our creator, our 264 00:11:56,951 --> 00:11:57,591 Speaker 2: people's creator. 265 00:11:57,631 --> 00:12:01,231 Speaker 1: But for some reason, I'm and my totem is a 266 00:12:01,231 --> 00:12:10,271 Speaker 1: carpet snake. What makes you most angry about society? 267 00:12:10,791 --> 00:12:12,631 Speaker 2: Well, I was thinking about this on the way here, right, 268 00:12:12,631 --> 00:12:14,911 Speaker 2: and this is why. And you I think you've told 269 00:12:14,951 --> 00:12:16,871 Speaker 2: me you've had this conversation with me. Like, sometimes I 270 00:12:16,871 --> 00:12:19,991 Speaker 2: do compare myself because I don't have a unique degree, right, 271 00:12:20,071 --> 00:12:21,351 Speaker 2: and like a lot of the work that I do 272 00:12:21,391 --> 00:12:23,351 Speaker 2: is from lived experience. But I do want to enter 273 00:12:23,391 --> 00:12:25,311 Speaker 2: into a space where I can potentially be a part 274 00:12:25,351 --> 00:12:27,911 Speaker 2: of system reforms. Right, I'm not there, but it's something 275 00:12:27,951 --> 00:12:29,751 Speaker 2: that I want to do. But I was just driving 276 00:12:29,791 --> 00:12:32,031 Speaker 2: today and I was thinking, you know, people who don't 277 00:12:32,031 --> 00:12:36,311 Speaker 2: pay their fines have more repercussions than people who go 278 00:12:36,391 --> 00:12:39,631 Speaker 2: out and abuse their partner, the intimate partner or their children. 279 00:12:40,351 --> 00:12:42,231 Speaker 2: You are likely to lose your license, you can go 280 00:12:42,311 --> 00:12:44,231 Speaker 2: to court, you can go to jail for not paying 281 00:12:44,231 --> 00:12:48,311 Speaker 2: your fines. But it's like these people who abuse abuse 282 00:12:48,391 --> 00:12:53,151 Speaker 2: their partners violence. Yeah, yeah, and so that's I was 283 00:12:53,151 --> 00:12:55,751 Speaker 2: thinking about that today and that's really surface level stuff. 284 00:12:55,791 --> 00:12:59,511 Speaker 2: But when I talk to my people, I feel like 285 00:12:59,711 --> 00:13:01,231 Speaker 2: my sister remind me of this. She's like, you talk 286 00:13:01,271 --> 00:13:03,711 Speaker 2: to people not from a political point of view, you 287 00:13:03,711 --> 00:13:05,791 Speaker 2: you talk about real life scenarios, right, And I was 288 00:13:05,831 --> 00:13:07,951 Speaker 2: just thinking about that one way here. I'm like, how 289 00:13:08,031 --> 00:13:11,031 Speaker 2: crazy is that that I could get in trouble more 290 00:13:11,351 --> 00:13:13,911 Speaker 2: for not paying my fine rather than someone who is 291 00:13:13,951 --> 00:13:17,871 Speaker 2: a perpetrator of violence than what they could get in 292 00:13:17,911 --> 00:13:19,471 Speaker 2: trouble for, you know what I mean. And that really 293 00:13:19,471 --> 00:13:20,151 Speaker 2: pisces me off. 294 00:13:20,271 --> 00:13:23,471 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, there's people like miss Do who would still 295 00:13:23,511 --> 00:13:27,071 Speaker 4: be alive today if she didn't have unpaid fines to 296 00:13:27,111 --> 00:13:30,991 Speaker 4: the state. So, for our listeners that are listening right now, 297 00:13:31,191 --> 00:13:35,631 Speaker 4: if you don't know the history of the fine by default, basically, 298 00:13:36,071 --> 00:13:41,151 Speaker 4: especially in the State of Queensland, places like Queensland, but 299 00:13:41,271 --> 00:13:44,751 Speaker 4: even Western Australia, up until a few years ago, it 300 00:13:44,831 --> 00:13:48,791 Speaker 4: was against the law literally, so basically live in poverty. 301 00:13:49,191 --> 00:13:52,791 Speaker 4: So if you had unpaid fines to the state, then 302 00:13:52,991 --> 00:13:55,511 Speaker 4: you would have a warrant out for your arrest and 303 00:13:55,551 --> 00:13:58,431 Speaker 4: you would have to pay off the fine by serving. 304 00:13:58,511 --> 00:14:00,431 Speaker 4: How many nights in prison, like one hundred and eighty 305 00:14:00,431 --> 00:14:02,031 Speaker 4: dollars a night in prison. 306 00:14:02,511 --> 00:14:05,191 Speaker 1: So then you're now in this system, you now have. 307 00:14:05,191 --> 00:14:08,231 Speaker 4: A criminal history. What about if you're a mom of five, 308 00:14:08,311 --> 00:14:09,031 Speaker 4: a single mom. 309 00:14:09,551 --> 00:14:11,671 Speaker 2: I pointed this out to a group of my friends 310 00:14:11,711 --> 00:14:14,311 Speaker 2: out the day, my non Indigenous friends, and they couldn't 311 00:14:14,311 --> 00:14:15,951 Speaker 2: believe it. They couldn't believe and I said, yes, this 312 00:14:16,031 --> 00:14:18,511 Speaker 2: is this is a real thing. But it's just funny 313 00:14:18,551 --> 00:14:19,911 Speaker 2: that I was. I was thinking about that today and 314 00:14:19,991 --> 00:14:21,711 Speaker 2: that question come up because I was like that that 315 00:14:21,791 --> 00:14:25,071 Speaker 2: pisces me off. See, and then we talk about, you know, 316 00:14:25,231 --> 00:14:27,751 Speaker 2: and we see in the media all the time of 317 00:14:27,791 --> 00:14:31,591 Speaker 2: these men who have a history of violence, they get 318 00:14:31,631 --> 00:14:33,471 Speaker 2: a slap on the wrists or you know, they get 319 00:14:33,471 --> 00:14:34,751 Speaker 2: out on bail, and then they come out and they 320 00:14:34,831 --> 00:14:38,271 Speaker 2: end up taking that person's life, you know, which I 321 00:14:38,471 --> 00:14:40,751 Speaker 2: just I really struggle to come to terms with because 322 00:14:40,791 --> 00:14:44,151 Speaker 2: it's a national crisis and we've seen it time and 323 00:14:44,191 --> 00:14:47,271 Speaker 2: time and time again, you know, people and in particular 324 00:14:47,351 --> 00:14:49,391 Speaker 2: like women losing their lives. And I say that because 325 00:14:49,831 --> 00:14:51,831 Speaker 2: I think it's very important to you know, include that 326 00:14:52,391 --> 00:14:55,031 Speaker 2: boys and men can be victims of violence as well. 327 00:14:55,431 --> 00:14:56,631 Speaker 3: However, it's a gendered issue. 328 00:14:56,671 --> 00:15:01,471 Speaker 4: It's a it disproportionately impacts women and in particularly First nations. 329 00:15:01,151 --> 00:15:02,911 Speaker 3: With that's right, that's right, that's right. 330 00:15:02,991 --> 00:15:04,111 Speaker 1: All of the data is out there. 331 00:15:04,231 --> 00:15:05,231 Speaker 5: Yeah, the data is there. 332 00:15:05,471 --> 00:15:07,591 Speaker 1: Yeah, people can read it. We'll put some links into 333 00:15:07,631 --> 00:15:08,311 Speaker 1: the show notes. 334 00:15:08,951 --> 00:15:11,951 Speaker 7: We'll be right back after this short break. You're listening 335 00:15:11,951 --> 00:15:14,911 Speaker 7: to Black Magic Woman with Mandonara Bayos. Let's get back 336 00:15:14,911 --> 00:15:15,391 Speaker 7: to the yard. 337 00:15:15,471 --> 00:15:18,351 Speaker 1: So the DV space, it's quite heavy work. It is. 338 00:15:18,431 --> 00:15:21,511 Speaker 2: It's so heavy it is, and I probably find myself 339 00:15:21,551 --> 00:15:24,631 Speaker 2: sometimes becoming numb to it because in this space there 340 00:15:24,671 --> 00:15:27,911 Speaker 2: is an element of that. But when you sit down 341 00:15:27,991 --> 00:15:29,711 Speaker 2: and you have a look and you're reading Okay, another 342 00:15:29,711 --> 00:15:32,791 Speaker 2: woman has lost their life man known to her in custody, 343 00:15:32,871 --> 00:15:36,111 Speaker 2: you know, it's like the same you're reading the same story. 344 00:15:36,151 --> 00:15:37,991 Speaker 2: It's just a different photo of a different you know, 345 00:15:38,031 --> 00:15:41,911 Speaker 2: a different woman, and it's really terrifying. 346 00:15:42,071 --> 00:15:43,031 Speaker 3: It's really scary. 347 00:15:43,151 --> 00:15:45,631 Speaker 5: And I never thought that aritis. 348 00:15:45,911 --> 00:15:48,351 Speaker 2: It is a crisis, you know, And often people say like, 349 00:15:48,351 --> 00:15:49,871 Speaker 2: would you be in this work if your mum was 350 00:15:49,911 --> 00:15:52,231 Speaker 2: still alive? And I was like, well, yeah, absolutely, because 351 00:15:52,991 --> 00:15:54,951 Speaker 2: she was abused by every single man that came into 352 00:15:55,031 --> 00:15:56,711 Speaker 2: her life. So maybe she could have been here to 353 00:15:56,711 --> 00:15:59,511 Speaker 2: share her side of the story. But the comment you 354 00:15:59,511 --> 00:16:01,431 Speaker 2: made about your mum earlier, like I do this to 355 00:16:02,111 --> 00:16:04,671 Speaker 2: also stand up and try and create a ripal effect 356 00:16:04,671 --> 00:16:06,431 Speaker 2: of change, but to keep my mum's name, dignity in 357 00:16:06,471 --> 00:16:09,471 Speaker 2: alive because she had a tough life, you know, and 358 00:16:09,511 --> 00:16:11,871 Speaker 2: she was the first person to say that she wouldn't 359 00:16:11,871 --> 00:16:14,311 Speaker 2: win Mother of the Year award. But I am how 360 00:16:14,351 --> 00:16:16,791 Speaker 2: I am because of that woman, and she gave me 361 00:16:16,871 --> 00:16:20,271 Speaker 2: all the good that she embodied and I'm just so 362 00:16:20,391 --> 00:16:22,791 Speaker 2: proud to be her daughter. And I'm just so sad that, 363 00:16:22,951 --> 00:16:26,191 Speaker 2: you know, she didn't get the opportunity to really change 364 00:16:26,191 --> 00:16:27,871 Speaker 2: her life because it was taken away from her. 365 00:16:28,391 --> 00:16:31,071 Speaker 3: And that's and that's really heartbreaking. 366 00:16:31,791 --> 00:16:36,031 Speaker 4: So she've talked about it quite publicly publicly as well, 367 00:16:36,151 --> 00:16:39,991 Speaker 4: being a fair skinned black woman, right if we wanted 368 00:16:39,991 --> 00:16:42,351 Speaker 4: to it, if we can dive into identity, when I 369 00:16:42,391 --> 00:16:45,711 Speaker 4: hear you on stage and you're talking about you know, 370 00:16:45,951 --> 00:16:48,871 Speaker 4: I don't look like an abaginal girl, but I am. 371 00:16:49,391 --> 00:16:50,391 Speaker 1: I know who I am. 372 00:16:51,231 --> 00:16:55,991 Speaker 4: How is your identity kind of well, kind of grounded you. 373 00:16:56,351 --> 00:16:59,311 Speaker 1: In the work that you do, but also on the 374 00:16:59,311 --> 00:17:00,311 Speaker 1: football field. 375 00:17:00,471 --> 00:17:04,031 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, It's interesting because I'm a community. I was 376 00:17:04,111 --> 00:17:07,311 Speaker 2: raising community. I was raised by a black mom, black grandparents. 377 00:17:07,391 --> 00:17:10,231 Speaker 2: Everyone in my family is aboriginal on both my mom's 378 00:17:10,271 --> 00:17:12,991 Speaker 2: side and dad's side, and people just can't comprehend that. 379 00:17:13,311 --> 00:17:15,311 Speaker 2: And that bothers me because I was never questioned of 380 00:17:15,431 --> 00:17:18,031 Speaker 2: my abriiginality until I came here to Melbourne. Obviously, Ugle 381 00:17:18,151 --> 00:17:21,991 Speaker 2: is a big last name in Wa, quite prominent on 382 00:17:22,031 --> 00:17:24,511 Speaker 2: the football field. Everyone knows Yougle's, you know, And but 383 00:17:24,551 --> 00:17:26,151 Speaker 2: my mum is also a webs Doom, which is a 384 00:17:26,151 --> 00:17:28,511 Speaker 2: black fellow name, you know, like crazy, right. 385 00:17:28,511 --> 00:17:30,311 Speaker 1: You don't need to justify your blackness. 386 00:17:30,511 --> 00:17:31,311 Speaker 5: I know you grew up. 387 00:17:31,351 --> 00:17:33,391 Speaker 2: You never had to, never ever ever and you know, 388 00:17:33,431 --> 00:17:35,311 Speaker 2: like I'll go back through photos and look at stuff, 389 00:17:35,311 --> 00:17:38,551 Speaker 2: and my family we all come in different shades, red heads, 390 00:17:38,591 --> 00:17:39,991 Speaker 2: blonde heads, you know, dark haired. 391 00:17:40,031 --> 00:17:41,671 Speaker 1: My mom had red hand freckles. 392 00:17:41,831 --> 00:17:43,191 Speaker 5: We come from the same bloodline. 393 00:17:43,191 --> 00:17:45,191 Speaker 2: We come from the same great grandmother who you know, 394 00:17:45,511 --> 00:17:47,391 Speaker 2: like who was a part of soul and generation. And 395 00:17:47,471 --> 00:17:49,431 Speaker 2: we know what they tried to do to us back then. 396 00:17:49,431 --> 00:17:50,831 Speaker 2: They tried to breed us out, but it didn't work. 397 00:17:50,911 --> 00:17:51,071 Speaker 3: Right. 398 00:17:51,471 --> 00:17:54,631 Speaker 2: So when people question my aboriginality. At first I was 399 00:17:54,631 --> 00:17:56,271 Speaker 2: offended by, but now I'm like, well, it just says 400 00:17:56,271 --> 00:17:56,991 Speaker 2: more about you. 401 00:17:57,191 --> 00:17:57,391 Speaker 5: Right. 402 00:17:57,911 --> 00:18:00,671 Speaker 2: Obviously I'm fair skinned in appearance and I have blonde hair, 403 00:18:00,791 --> 00:18:03,151 Speaker 2: but like I'm black, I was raised black, I'm a 404 00:18:03,191 --> 00:18:03,631 Speaker 2: black girl. 405 00:18:03,631 --> 00:18:04,311 Speaker 5: I'm from a community. 406 00:18:04,671 --> 00:18:06,551 Speaker 2: Like, I don't I don't understand why people just don't 407 00:18:06,991 --> 00:18:08,191 Speaker 2: believe me, you know what I mean? 408 00:18:08,191 --> 00:18:15,551 Speaker 4: Why do people feel that it's acceptable to question somebody's identity. 409 00:18:15,711 --> 00:18:16,351 Speaker 5: No, I don't know. 410 00:18:16,751 --> 00:18:19,191 Speaker 1: I don't get it. I feel it's so offensive and 411 00:18:19,191 --> 00:18:19,391 Speaker 1: it is. 412 00:18:19,551 --> 00:18:24,471 Speaker 4: It's disrespectful when you identify as Aboriginal. People say, still, 413 00:18:24,631 --> 00:18:27,471 Speaker 4: I get it every day, but you don't look Abriaginal, 414 00:18:28,231 --> 00:18:29,871 Speaker 4: or you're not a full Aboriginal. A. 415 00:18:30,151 --> 00:18:31,511 Speaker 1: I get that, but you're not full. 416 00:18:33,111 --> 00:18:35,871 Speaker 4: And I've got to bite my tongue sometimes and say, well, 417 00:18:35,911 --> 00:18:38,991 Speaker 4: I only identify as Aboriginal because that's all I've been raised. 418 00:18:39,031 --> 00:18:39,471 Speaker 1: That's all I know. 419 00:18:39,591 --> 00:18:42,751 Speaker 2: That's right, yeah, yeah, And I just I don't know. 420 00:18:42,791 --> 00:18:45,031 Speaker 2: It was a very different space navigating over here and 421 00:18:45,031 --> 00:18:47,151 Speaker 2: mel when I must admit, very different for me as 422 00:18:47,191 --> 00:18:51,231 Speaker 2: a girl from community to come over here when you know, 423 00:18:51,471 --> 00:18:53,751 Speaker 2: the only other black fellow at the footy club at 424 00:18:53,751 --> 00:18:56,031 Speaker 2: the time was Danny al Ponta, and I was like 425 00:18:56,471 --> 00:18:58,431 Speaker 2: this with her, you know, because you go where you 426 00:18:58,471 --> 00:19:02,431 Speaker 2: feel most safe and comfortable. But I remember it was 427 00:19:02,671 --> 00:19:04,791 Speaker 2: it was coming up to NATO and the club asked 428 00:19:04,831 --> 00:19:07,551 Speaker 2: me to kind of share my story, and it was this, 429 00:19:07,631 --> 00:19:11,271 Speaker 2: you know, it was this great, great thing by the club. Anyway, 430 00:19:11,271 --> 00:19:13,151 Speaker 2: I remember getting up and saying like, oh, who celebrated 431 00:19:13,231 --> 00:19:14,711 Speaker 2: nat a week before? And da da da, and that 432 00:19:14,751 --> 00:19:17,831 Speaker 2: one girl put her hand up and I'm like, one, get, 433 00:19:18,431 --> 00:19:20,951 Speaker 2: does everyone know what Natok Week is? And so many 434 00:19:20,991 --> 00:19:25,151 Speaker 2: people in that room didn't know natoc Week or weren't 435 00:19:25,471 --> 00:19:27,951 Speaker 2: even had the slightest bit of education when it came 436 00:19:27,951 --> 00:19:31,231 Speaker 2: to abriginal people, right. And that shocked me because where 437 00:19:31,271 --> 00:19:34,871 Speaker 2: I come from, everything is celebrated. Obviously, you are in community, 438 00:19:34,911 --> 00:19:37,391 Speaker 2: You're a part of everything, and so it was a big, 439 00:19:38,631 --> 00:19:42,431 Speaker 2: a big cultural shock for me navigating. But I just 440 00:19:43,031 --> 00:19:45,591 Speaker 2: I've never felt any less black than my darker skinned 441 00:19:45,831 --> 00:19:48,591 Speaker 2: you know, family members. I've just never felt that, I've 442 00:19:48,631 --> 00:19:50,391 Speaker 2: never felt on the outside. I've never felt not a 443 00:19:50,391 --> 00:19:52,511 Speaker 2: part of this family, Like I'm not on a quest 444 00:19:52,551 --> 00:19:54,351 Speaker 2: finding out where I come from. When I like, I 445 00:19:54,431 --> 00:19:55,951 Speaker 2: know that and I've known that from the day I 446 00:19:56,031 --> 00:19:59,631 Speaker 2: was born, so I just use it as my power now. 447 00:19:59,671 --> 00:20:01,351 Speaker 2: And you know, people try to still come at me 448 00:20:01,391 --> 00:20:03,631 Speaker 2: on social media, especially TikTok, Like there are some ugly 449 00:20:03,671 --> 00:20:05,391 Speaker 2: people on there. And when I say ugly people, I 450 00:20:05,431 --> 00:20:08,391 Speaker 2: mean ugly in their in their heart right, like they'd 451 00:20:08,391 --> 00:20:08,751 Speaker 2: say to. 452 00:20:08,671 --> 00:20:09,751 Speaker 5: Me, or you're a bred out one. 453 00:20:10,231 --> 00:20:11,351 Speaker 1: Yeah, I see it. 454 00:20:12,871 --> 00:20:13,671 Speaker 5: Oh my god. 455 00:20:13,711 --> 00:20:16,231 Speaker 2: It's like, you know, and whilst obviously and I say 456 00:20:16,271 --> 00:20:17,991 Speaker 2: this in my talks, you know, I don't get the oh. 457 00:20:17,951 --> 00:20:18,911 Speaker 5: You black, da da da. 458 00:20:18,991 --> 00:20:20,231 Speaker 3: It's like, oh, you're too white to. 459 00:20:20,151 --> 00:20:23,271 Speaker 2: Be black, actually, you know, And I'm like that's very 460 00:20:23,311 --> 00:20:27,071 Speaker 2: efensive as well, you know, Like, but I think when 461 00:20:27,111 --> 00:20:30,951 Speaker 2: people are so uncomfortable with my fair skin and blonde 462 00:20:30,951 --> 00:20:33,431 Speaker 2: hair and being black, that's that's gonna do with me. 463 00:20:33,631 --> 00:20:36,671 Speaker 2: That's on them, you know, and that they're uncomfortable for 464 00:20:36,671 --> 00:20:37,991 Speaker 2: a reason and they got to go figure that out 465 00:20:38,031 --> 00:20:38,391 Speaker 2: on their own. 466 00:20:38,551 --> 00:20:40,431 Speaker 1: Leave it with them. That's it, that's their problem. 467 00:20:40,511 --> 00:20:45,471 Speaker 4: That's it, says tell us about one, can you And 468 00:20:45,511 --> 00:20:47,631 Speaker 4: I hope that after this year and that people can 469 00:20:47,711 --> 00:20:48,471 Speaker 4: reach out to you. 470 00:20:48,991 --> 00:20:50,711 Speaker 1: I've got to catch a plane and. 471 00:20:50,671 --> 00:20:51,511 Speaker 5: I don't want to leave. 472 00:20:51,671 --> 00:20:54,471 Speaker 3: No, I feel like we're just getting started. I feel like. 473 00:20:54,471 --> 00:20:56,471 Speaker 1: It's part two. Ye, there's a part two. 474 00:20:56,551 --> 00:20:57,791 Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to come to the Sunny coast. 475 00:20:57,871 --> 00:20:58,111 Speaker 1: Yes. 476 00:20:59,351 --> 00:21:02,151 Speaker 2: So Warkening is my love letter to the world. Warkening 477 00:21:02,191 --> 00:21:04,871 Speaker 2: in my language, means talking, and we are a social 478 00:21:04,991 --> 00:21:07,711 Speaker 2: enterprise dedicated to creating a ripple effect of change. 479 00:21:08,071 --> 00:21:09,911 Speaker 3: So essentially I go around sharing my story. 480 00:21:10,031 --> 00:21:14,151 Speaker 2: I'm hoping to inspire and encourage people to turn you know, 481 00:21:14,271 --> 00:21:17,631 Speaker 2: their pain into power, or even just to share their stories. 482 00:21:19,111 --> 00:21:20,871 Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm not ashamed of where I come from, 483 00:21:20,871 --> 00:21:23,431 Speaker 2: but once upon a time I did, you know, But 484 00:21:23,711 --> 00:21:25,591 Speaker 2: it is my power and I'm proud of what I've 485 00:21:25,591 --> 00:21:28,671 Speaker 2: been able to do. Obviously, in you know this, it's 486 00:21:28,711 --> 00:21:30,951 Speaker 2: based around creating a riple effect when it comes to 487 00:21:31,071 --> 00:21:35,191 Speaker 2: gender based violence, intimate partner violence, family domestic violence, trying 488 00:21:35,231 --> 00:21:37,231 Speaker 2: to honor my mum and keep her name and dignity, 489 00:21:37,351 --> 00:21:39,791 Speaker 2: dignity alive. But ultimately, I just want to spread some 490 00:21:39,831 --> 00:21:43,671 Speaker 2: love and light and the world. And the main story, 491 00:21:44,031 --> 00:21:45,871 Speaker 2: or the main punchline that I want people to get 492 00:21:45,871 --> 00:21:49,111 Speaker 2: from my talks is that like we are the warriors 493 00:21:49,151 --> 00:21:52,391 Speaker 2: and we are the dreamers, and there there's literally. 494 00:21:52,191 --> 00:21:53,151 Speaker 3: Nothing that we can't do. 495 00:21:53,711 --> 00:21:55,871 Speaker 2: And if I can come out of what you know, 496 00:21:56,231 --> 00:21:58,991 Speaker 2: was what I once thought was going to actually kill me, 497 00:21:59,911 --> 00:22:03,471 Speaker 2: anything is possible. So yeah, Warkening is my love letter 498 00:22:03,471 --> 00:22:04,031 Speaker 2: to the world. 499 00:22:04,951 --> 00:22:08,151 Speaker 4: There's a part two. I can definitely see it, I 500 00:22:08,151 --> 00:22:11,591 Speaker 4: can feel it. We need to dive more into the 501 00:22:11,591 --> 00:22:14,111 Speaker 4: work that you're doing. And also I want to talk 502 00:22:14,111 --> 00:22:17,431 Speaker 4: about when we connect next the te wee women who 503 00:22:17,511 --> 00:22:21,231 Speaker 4: came to Nam and connected with you at the football 504 00:22:21,231 --> 00:22:26,311 Speaker 4: club and the movie Like my brother, I want to 505 00:22:26,351 --> 00:22:29,871 Speaker 4: stop this year and finish here, but pick up on 506 00:22:30,391 --> 00:22:35,351 Speaker 4: your your experience of working with those deadly young black 507 00:22:35,391 --> 00:22:38,191 Speaker 4: women that have come from such a long place, and 508 00:22:38,231 --> 00:22:40,311 Speaker 4: then dive into more about your. 509 00:22:40,191 --> 00:22:42,351 Speaker 2: Football career and talk about that because that was one 510 00:22:42,351 --> 00:22:45,511 Speaker 2: of my greatest, one of my greatest achievements being a 511 00:22:45,511 --> 00:22:45,911 Speaker 2: part of that. 512 00:22:46,111 --> 00:22:47,111 Speaker 3: So yeah, I would. 513 00:22:47,191 --> 00:22:49,991 Speaker 1: I can imagine you've been a fairskin black women, I know, 514 00:22:50,231 --> 00:22:51,231 Speaker 1: taking them under. 515 00:22:50,991 --> 00:22:53,191 Speaker 2: Your wing and nails, and no one was ever going 516 00:22:53,231 --> 00:22:54,911 Speaker 2: to come near them or you know, and I remember 517 00:22:54,951 --> 00:22:55,631 Speaker 2: saying they. 518 00:22:55,511 --> 00:22:57,591 Speaker 3: Would always be referred to as the TV girls TV guys. 519 00:22:57,631 --> 00:23:00,071 Speaker 2: I said, I know they've got names, Go and learn 520 00:23:00,151 --> 00:23:02,311 Speaker 2: their names, and then you call them by their names 521 00:23:02,351 --> 00:23:03,911 Speaker 2: and they're a part of this team, you know. 522 00:23:04,391 --> 00:23:05,871 Speaker 3: So I'm really proud of what I was able to 523 00:23:05,911 --> 00:23:07,111 Speaker 3: do at that at that footy club. 524 00:23:07,111 --> 00:23:08,671 Speaker 1: Well, let's not give any more away. 525 00:23:08,991 --> 00:23:11,431 Speaker 4: So we have Courtney Yugle back on this show for 526 00:23:11,551 --> 00:23:13,791 Speaker 4: part two so we can unpack more of some of 527 00:23:13,791 --> 00:23:14,911 Speaker 4: your greatest achievements. 528 00:23:15,111 --> 00:23:17,111 Speaker 3: Thank you, Sis, I'm really honored to be here. 529 00:23:19,231 --> 00:23:22,591 Speaker 4: Oh this Your strength isn't just in how you play, 530 00:23:23,071 --> 00:23:25,631 Speaker 4: it's in how you speak, how you lead, and how 531 00:23:25,671 --> 00:23:28,111 Speaker 4: you live. Thank you from the bottom of my heart 532 00:23:28,231 --> 00:23:31,031 Speaker 4: for not even just coming on this podcast, but for 533 00:23:31,151 --> 00:23:34,711 Speaker 4: being able to turn up day in, day out and 534 00:23:34,791 --> 00:23:35,151 Speaker 4: do the. 535 00:23:35,151 --> 00:23:37,871 Speaker 1: Work that needs to be done in our community. 536 00:23:37,431 --> 00:23:41,751 Speaker 4: To spread the word, that raising awareness, to keep on 537 00:23:42,791 --> 00:23:46,711 Speaker 4: you know, the advocacy, you know the heaviness on even 538 00:23:46,751 --> 00:23:48,431 Speaker 4: some of your days where you don't feel like getting 539 00:23:48,431 --> 00:23:51,191 Speaker 4: out of bed. I bet you find that strength and 540 00:23:51,271 --> 00:23:53,071 Speaker 4: you do what you need to do because you know, 541 00:23:53,351 --> 00:23:54,591 Speaker 4: like that's that's your mum. 542 00:23:54,791 --> 00:23:56,231 Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't be here if you didn't come run 543 00:23:56,311 --> 00:23:58,071 Speaker 2: up and to give me a hug on stage. So 544 00:23:59,071 --> 00:24:01,631 Speaker 2: it's been your support and like your voice always echoing 545 00:24:02,311 --> 00:24:04,071 Speaker 2: you know to me that this work is important and 546 00:24:04,071 --> 00:24:06,071 Speaker 2: that's to keep on kind of soldiering on, but make 547 00:24:06,111 --> 00:24:07,991 Speaker 2: sure we take care of ourselves as well, because that's. 548 00:24:07,831 --> 00:24:10,151 Speaker 5: Been the biggest important part on this journey. 549 00:24:10,151 --> 00:24:12,791 Speaker 2: But yeah, your love and support has been felt from 550 00:24:12,831 --> 00:24:14,831 Speaker 2: that moment on, So thank you. 551 00:24:15,471 --> 00:24:18,951 Speaker 4: I hope everyone's enjoyed this deadly yarn Until next time. 552 00:24:19,031 --> 00:24:21,631 Speaker 1: By For now, you've. 553 00:24:21,431 --> 00:24:24,431 Speaker 7: Been listening to Black Magic Women with Mondanara Bales, a 554 00:24:24,511 --> 00:24:28,111 Speaker 7: space for truth telling, a lived experience elevating powerful stories, 555 00:24:28,151 --> 00:24:31,951 Speaker 7: grounded and culture and community. 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