WEBVTT - Olivia Deeble and Eighth Grade

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<v Speaker 1>You a pete. Hell are you here? Welcome to you

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<v Speaker 1>Ain't seen nothing yet? The movie podcast where our chat

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<v Speaker 1>to a movie lover about a classic or beloved movie

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<v Speaker 1>they haven't quite got around to watching until now. And

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<v Speaker 1>today's guest actor, writer creator Olivia Diebel.

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<v Speaker 2>All below. I want to stay here with you.

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<v Speaker 3>He the jobble, I hate snake shucked, I hail you

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<v Speaker 3>have an right so you ain't seen nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>You looking forward to today's episode. Olivia Deebel is an

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<v Speaker 1>astonishing young woman currently co starring with her in Peter

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<v Speaker 1>and the Star Catcher, a Broadway hit, five Tony Awards,

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<v Speaker 1>Yes where Tony Award winners and whatever. I'm pretty sure

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<v Speaker 1>that how that works. And it is playing in Australia

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<v Speaker 1>at the moment. It's a Peter pan origin story. Olivia

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<v Speaker 1>plays Molly who may or may not be related to

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<v Speaker 1>Wendy who knows. Come and find out. But it has

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<v Speaker 1>been so much fun getting to know and working alongside Olivia.

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<v Speaker 1>She is such a talented actor and she's absolutely killing

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<v Speaker 1>it alongside Otis Danji, who plays boy who may or

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<v Speaker 1>may not become Peter Panty does. Olivia is got many,

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<v Speaker 1>many many fans, including some of my kids and my

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<v Speaker 1>sister through Little Lunch, where she played Tomorrow Noodles, Tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>Noodles or Tomorrow Noodle. Weirdly, I almost directed episodes of

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<v Speaker 1>a Little Lunch, but I was asked to by Wayne

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<v Speaker 1>Hope and Robin Butler, who created a Little Lunch. I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't do it because I was doing the project. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's just a weird little symmetry. And Home and Away

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<v Speaker 1>fans know Olivia Deebel. She played Rappie on Home and Away.

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<v Speaker 1>Was a big sensation on Home and Away. Won the

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<v Speaker 1>Kid's Choice Award in twenty eighteen for Favorite Rising Stars.

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<v Speaker 1>She got slimed as well. She's worked with Disney on

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<v Speaker 1>the Secret Society of second Born Royals. She co created

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<v Speaker 1>and wrote and starred in a series called More Than This,

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<v Speaker 1>which she's shot during the pandemic and it's on Paramount Plus.

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<v Speaker 1>Checked that out More Than This on Paramount Plus. You

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<v Speaker 1>see Olivia with all her talents. She's in a horror movie.

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<v Speaker 1>This Yek got Carnige for Christmas. She's doing a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's going to do a lot more. Come and

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<v Speaker 1>see her live with Peter and a Star Catcher. She's

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely killing it. Olivia is fun, funny, talented and bloody

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<v Speaker 1>creative and on bloody stokes to be hanging with her.

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<v Speaker 4>To that, Hello, my name is Olivia Diebel, and my

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<v Speaker 4>three favorite films are The Lobster.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. The fact that you're into an animal if you

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<v Speaker 2>fail to fall in love with someone doing your stay

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<v Speaker 2>here is not something that should upset you or get

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<v Speaker 2>you down.

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<v Speaker 4>The Three Billboards outside of Ebbing, Missouri.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think those billboards is very fair.

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<v Speaker 1>The time it took you to get out of here,

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<v Speaker 1>whining like a bitch willoughby some other poor girls probably

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<v Speaker 1>out there being butchered right now.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm glad you got your priorities straight. And the Birdcage.

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<v Speaker 3>Madonna, Madonna, Madonna, but you keep it all inside.

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<v Speaker 4>And up until this morning, I had never seen the

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<v Speaker 4>film Eighth Grade How to Be Confident.

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<v Speaker 5>So I think one thing a lot of people think

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<v Speaker 5>about confidence is that, like you know, you're born with it.

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<v Speaker 5>You either are confident or you're not. You know, just

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<v Speaker 5>like how some people are tall, you're either tall or short.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's not like that.

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<v Speaker 5>Actually, confidence is a choice. Only awesome thing about confidence

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<v Speaker 5>is that you can just start acting like it, even

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<v Speaker 5>if you feel like you don't have any For example,

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<v Speaker 5>I used to like not be confident at all, but

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<v Speaker 5>then one day I'm like, hmm, I want to be confident.

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<v Speaker 5>So then I just kind of started acting like it,

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<v Speaker 5>and then it made me feel good, and then I

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<v Speaker 5>actually started being confident, like without trying. And like, a

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<v Speaker 5>big part of being confident is being brave, and you

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<v Speaker 5>can't be brave unless you're scared. So for those of

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<v Speaker 5>you who are feeling scared about being confident, it's actually

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<v Speaker 5>a big part of confidence to be scared, and that's

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<v Speaker 5>normal because you can't be brave without being scared. So

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<v Speaker 5>go out there and just like be confident.

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<v Speaker 6>And if you don't feel confident, just do it anyways,

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<v Speaker 6>make yourself confident, Okay.

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<v Speaker 5>So as always, please share and subscribe to a channel

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<v Speaker 5>if you guys like the video and thanks watching.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard being a kid. It's always been hard, but

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<v Speaker 1>in the age of social media, it may be that

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<v Speaker 1>adolescence is as hard to navigate now as it has

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<v Speaker 1>been at any other time in human history. Kayla, played

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<v Speaker 1>expertly by Elsie Fisher. The film commenced shooting a week

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<v Speaker 1>after Elsie graduated year eight is a shy, awkward eighth

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<v Speaker 1>grader trying desperately to convince the world and herself that

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<v Speaker 1>she isn't shy and awkward through her video blogs or vlogs,

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<v Speaker 1>where she offers advice on how to appear confident and

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<v Speaker 1>putting yourself out there. On the eve of high school,

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<v Speaker 1>Kayla dreams of being part of a gang, a team,

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<v Speaker 1>a clique. It's not that she's overtly targeted by the

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<v Speaker 1>usual mean girls. It's more that Kayla is overlooked. She's ignored.

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<v Speaker 1>Kayla is invisible to almost everyone but geeky underwater summer

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<v Speaker 1>souldier Gabe Jake Ryan, her sweet and supportive high school

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<v Speaker 1>shadow Olivia, Emily Robinson, and of course her single that

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Day, played beautifully by Josh Hamilton, who is desperately

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<v Speaker 1>trying to connect with his only daughter whilst walking on eggshells. Remarkably,

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<v Speaker 1>this seemingly authentic, raw take on a teenage girls journey

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<v Speaker 1>is written by a man, comedian Bo Burnham, who you

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<v Speaker 1>saw in Promising Young Woman, and he's brilliant lockdown comedy

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<v Speaker 1>special Inside. I've only recently come to this film, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad I have Olivia Deebel. Have you ever

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<v Speaker 1>looked into the eyes that they're as blue as Aiden's?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, or I very viscerally remember being that young and

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<v Speaker 4>having a crush on someone who looked exactly like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, totally like all of the slower and when

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<v Speaker 4>he had his shirt, we already agreed weren't going to

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<v Speaker 4>get into it, but just this I completely took me

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<v Speaker 4>back and I went, oh, yeah, no, no, yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>with her and this and you're just kind of watching

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<v Speaker 4>it have no idea what to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I did love the hard cuts, the aide and the music.

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<v Speaker 4>The similarity.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was great. It was great, But I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to get too far into eighth grade. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>fitting us in. You are extremely busy currently on stage

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<v Speaker 1>Peter and the Star Catcher. We'll get to that in

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<v Speaker 1>a monment.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll see you, I'll see We've got to be working

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<v Speaker 4>for a few hours, and we're car pulling to work together.

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<v Speaker 1>We are saving the environment in one country at a time.

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<v Speaker 1>So we came to this film. I asked you to

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<v Speaker 1>do the podcast. You agreed, and then we spoke about

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<v Speaker 1>some films that we might do. Break Back Mountain came up.

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<v Speaker 4>It did it did and then I watched Broke Back

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<v Speaker 4>Mountain and then thought, perhaps maybe we weren't the two

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<v Speaker 4>best people to perhaps delve into the thought on this film.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's all cinema.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a beautiful movie.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a beautiful film. I haven't watched it for quite

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<v Speaker 1>a while.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually, so also you'd seen it previously.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw when it came out. Yeah, right, yeah, everyone

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<v Speaker 1>everyone was seeing Breakback Mountain. But then I watched Eighth

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<v Speaker 1>Grade because it kept on coming up in people's top

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<v Speaker 1>three films. Frankie McNair had it in her favorite three

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<v Speaker 1>films a couple of episodes ago, and I thought, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to watch this film. And I watched it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just thought, because you are younger as with

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<v Speaker 1>most of the demographic I have on this show, I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>instead of me as a forty nine year old bloke

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<v Speaker 1>chatting to one of his mates about this particular movie,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it would be interesting to have somebody who's

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<v Speaker 1>a bit closer to this.

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<v Speaker 4>I better still be your mate, though, Pete, you are mate.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we'll see at the end of this. Sometimes these

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<v Speaker 1>conversations go pear shaped, Olivia, don't get me started on

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<v Speaker 1>Hamish McDonald and puns drunk love. Anyway, we don't talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that, so we don't know he's white. Yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't think it'd be interesting, and you happily agree. I

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<v Speaker 1>think you said you had seen like a part of

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<v Speaker 1>it or a moment of view.

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<v Speaker 4>I've seen it advertised or some video of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you hadn't seen it, so I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>left on this opportunity. You agreed, so thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>doing this. And you watched it this morning, so it's fresh. Yep, yep, fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about Peter in the Starcast before we get

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<v Speaker 1>onto your three favorite films, because I must say I've

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<v Speaker 1>said this to you privately. Congratulations. You are absolutely smashing it.

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<v Speaker 1>To see you from day one at rehearsals in Brisbane

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<v Speaker 1>a few months ago to every night where you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of rire the anchor for this story and you're driving

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the story. It's emotional every night. You

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<v Speaker 1>somehow manage to have a tear come down and exactly

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<v Speaker 1>the right point at the right time every time. You're

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<v Speaker 1>doing astonishing work.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you. I really appreciate it. And I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>we've we've definitely spoken about this before, but I think

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<v Speaker 4>it's like and both of us coming from more kind

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<v Speaker 4>of TV backgrounds as well, the support and camaraderie is

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<v Speaker 4>just astonishing, to be honest with you, and like all

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<v Speaker 4>of just this kind of you do it because you

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<v Speaker 4>love it kind of like that. It's almost like this

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<v Speaker 4>beautiful amalgamation of like that working hard Australian we do it,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, because we've got to make good stuff. But

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<v Speaker 4>then also it's just like everyone has so much fun

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<v Speaker 4>every day. Yeah, it's just everyone respects everyone so much,

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<v Speaker 4>and everyone's everyone's job there is so vital and important

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<v Speaker 4>that you do just want to come to work every

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<v Speaker 4>day and do your best. And you have that that

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<v Speaker 4>and then you also have that amazing reaction from the

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<v Speaker 4>audience immediately. And the thing I found really interesting is

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<v Speaker 4>how much I don't want to say the audience dictates

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<v Speaker 4>the performance, but how like I obviously knew that it's

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<v Speaker 4>this incredible thing of like, you can't replicate the feelings

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<v Speaker 4>that exist every each and every night again, but that

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<v Speaker 4>moment of like we as an ensemble, go okay, they're

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<v Speaker 4>not laughing at those jokes, as all right, we'll push

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<v Speaker 4>you guys forward because you like it's even an unspoken way.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, Okay, they're laughing more at the physical humor.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll all lean more into that opposed to the dialogue.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh tonight, they're enjoying more quickly, kind of breaking the

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<v Speaker 4>fourth wall to a degree. Great, we'll lean into that.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's just like, that's been so incredible to just

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<v Speaker 4>be part of with so many incredible talented people who

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<v Speaker 4>just yeah, I don't know, and it's so unspoken, but

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<v Speaker 4>then we and.

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<v Speaker 1>It's such a beautiful mix of people who have done

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of theater, you know. I know, the second

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<v Speaker 1>half starts with dress as mermaids, and it's just like

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<v Speaker 1>it's a very camp kind of you know, musical theater number,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're dressing these like what like not like her,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're kind of yeah, they are.

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<v Speaker 4>They're like alycra aridescent scale.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm there and I've got we're doing high kicks

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<v Speaker 1>and I have Allison White to my left and Paul

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<v Speaker 1>Capsus to my right, and every night, at some point

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<v Speaker 1>where we're doing those kicks, I just start laughing. I

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<v Speaker 1>still I still manage to kind of keep singing, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm laughing through the singing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because it's so many points like that, it's like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is and it's kind of joyous. And then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so you have these people have done a lot of theater,

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<v Speaker 1>and we caught up. We did some press before we

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<v Speaker 1>started the rehearsal, and it was you told me it

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<v Speaker 1>was your first time doing theater. It was my first

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<v Speaker 1>time doing theater this big. I'd done the Rocky Horror

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<v Speaker 1>with and narrating it. This is having a role and

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<v Speaker 1>being there from day one totally different. It's really buying

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<v Speaker 1>in at every level.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I think now because we're so we're so

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<v Speaker 4>polished with our performances now and like I think we're

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<v Speaker 4>really in some kind of a routine. It's just crazy

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<v Speaker 4>to think back into like I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 4>had these moments on this when we're on stage and

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<v Speaker 4>we're just like just I don't know, being a ridiculous

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<v Speaker 4>mollusc or like pretending to be an animal as a pirate,

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<v Speaker 4>and I just go back to Britain and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>how the fuck did we get here? Like how these

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<v Speaker 4>like initially we're just conversations and offerings or just like

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<v Speaker 4>jokes that we've begun that now are like set in

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<v Speaker 4>a play that we get to do every single night.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's crazy, it's really joyous.

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<v Speaker 4>You should come and see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely, come and see it. We're almost finishing Melbourne by

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<v Speaker 1>the time you listen. Listen to this Adelaide Sydney Brisbane

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<v Speaker 1>in the new year twenty twenty five, come along and

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<v Speaker 1>see Peter in a star catch. It's genuinely it is

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<v Speaker 1>a five time Tony Award winning a Broadway play. The

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<v Speaker 1>review the local reviews have been astonishing, The crowds are

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<v Speaker 1>loving it. At the end of each night, it's hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got this kind of goes full panto and myself

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<v Speaker 1>and even Colin Lane get to kind of really play around,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, the audience gets involved some nights and

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<v Speaker 1>then it just switches on the dime and this is

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<v Speaker 1>where you know your talents are remarkable. And then along

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<v Speaker 1>with Otis Dangi, who you played this really emotional scene

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<v Speaker 1>where people have gone from like literally pissing themselves, well

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<v Speaker 1>not literally pissed themselves.

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<v Speaker 4>L literally really we're really in big trouble with darts.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they are crying through your performance and the

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<v Speaker 1>connection that you guys have and what it means to

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<v Speaker 1>the Peter pan World. It's it's astonishing, and it's at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of I come off stage every night. We're

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<v Speaker 1>all beaming at the end of each night. It's it's phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 1>So come along and check out Peter and the Star Catch.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about your three favorite films. They are three

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<v Speaker 1>great films. The Lobster is if you haven't seen The Lobster,

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<v Speaker 1>bloody hell. It is an incredible film Colin Farrell, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is the director whose name, yes, yes, he did

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<v Speaker 1>The Favorite Kindness and Poor Things, Pretty Things, Poor Things

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<v Speaker 1>with Emma Stone winning the Oscar for that. He is

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<v Speaker 1>a filmmaker to watch. And The Lobster is bizarre. So

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<v Speaker 1>the Lobster is about it's Colin Farrell and he goes

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<v Speaker 1>to a retreat where you.

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<v Speaker 4>So you're so the world in which we enter with

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<v Speaker 4>the Lobster is like a reality in which if you're

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<v Speaker 4>not part if you don't have a partner, like a

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<v Speaker 4>lifetime husband or wife partner, you are you're exiled from

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<v Speaker 4>the community or just kind of from the worlds. And

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<v Speaker 4>so that typically transpires in that like you either get

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<v Speaker 4>taken away, or you run a recluse in the forest,

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<v Speaker 4>or you get turned into an animal of your choosing

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<v Speaker 4>as soon as you lose your partner, Like if if

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<v Speaker 4>you break up or something happens, you have to go

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<v Speaker 4>to this hotel. You have to get it initiated, or

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<v Speaker 4>you just need to find another partner. So Colin Fower's

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<v Speaker 4>character goes to a hotel and he has I think

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<v Speaker 4>it's like forty days, I think, to find a match

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<v Speaker 4>with someone and then they can be reinented in society.

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<v Speaker 4>And if he doesn't, he gets turned into an animal

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<v Speaker 4>of his choosing. Yeah, and it's just kind of about him.

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<v Speaker 4>I am I allowed to spoil it? Is that how

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<v Speaker 4>we Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he can. There're certainly spoilers for eighth grade, but

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<v Speaker 1>also yeah, if you want to avoid spoilers with the Lobster,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe skip ahead a couple of thirty seconds.

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<v Speaker 4>So he it's just about him trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 4>what he's gonna then do, and he does eventually find love.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's one of the most beautiful love stories,

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<v Speaker 4>to be honest with you, and this kind of comment

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<v Speaker 4>on society and outlawing and keeping people apart. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 4>I just I really I remember, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 4>this is the same with you. There are some films

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<v Speaker 4>that do just genuinely impact you. But I also think

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<v Speaker 4>it's very much about circumstance and like how it's introduced

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<v Speaker 4>to you, where you saw it, what setting it was in,

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<v Speaker 4>and like I remember I was I was on Home

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<v Speaker 4>and Away at the time, and I was four fourteen maybe,

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<v Speaker 4>and the guy a guy who was my co star,

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<v Speaker 4>and he played my best friend and then my boyfriend,

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<v Speaker 4>then a cousin sister's uncle in very true Home and

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<v Speaker 4>Oi fashion, and he was a little bit older than me,

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<v Speaker 4>like he was in his twenties, Lucas Radovich, and he

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<v Speaker 4>was watching it just like on a little I think

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<v Speaker 4>might be a computer and an iPad or something. And

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<v Speaker 4>I think it was like my first introduction into like

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<v Speaker 4>this kind of art scene in that regard, Like my

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<v Speaker 4>own parents had really educated me fantastically on film, but

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<v Speaker 4>as a young person with a slightly older person showing

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<v Speaker 4>me a kind of nuanced film about love and leaving,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was just I think part of it was

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<v Speaker 4>that he trusted me that I could take on these

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<v Speaker 4>things and like could appreciate the art that he was

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<v Speaker 4>sharing with me, and like then that your Ghost now

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<v Speaker 4>is like my favorite director of all time, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think he's brilliant, and I yeah, like did my year

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<v Speaker 4>twelve media studies on him, and like watch all his films,

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<v Speaker 4>And when I write films, I have a I try

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<v Speaker 4>to have a similar process to him because I think

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<v Speaker 4>the way that he creates his art is really magical.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think, like I was going to pick I

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<v Speaker 4>was going to pick Poor Things as another favorite, but

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<v Speaker 4>I think that, like just specifically because the Lobster was

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<v Speaker 4>my entry point into it, I think that's yea why

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<v Speaker 4>as well?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, no, he makes extraordinary I haven't seen Kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of Kindness yet. I was really looking forward to watching

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<v Speaker 1>it on a plane coming back from Perth, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, almost saved you fight coming out on the

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<v Speaker 1>way back. It's like a four hour flight. Whatever it

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<v Speaker 1>is I've got, I can fit kind kinds of Kindness

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<v Speaker 1>in And the entertame system was.

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<v Speaker 4>Down, devastating.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. I was not happy at all. But he does

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<v Speaker 1>make extraordinary film.

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<v Speaker 4>I was saying this to Otis actually because I showed Otis,

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<v Speaker 4>who plays Peter in pera shameless Little pluck. There's something

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<v Speaker 4>so amazing about because like love when we's Anderson and

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<v Speaker 4>he does this too. And it's a kind of I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's a little bit more visual than your ghost.

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<v Speaker 4>But he feels like when he makes a movie, he

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<v Speaker 4>creates this entire world in which the dialogue or the

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<v Speaker 4>way that they behave is so iconic to a your

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<v Speaker 4>ghost film, like you immediately know or true. This is

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<v Speaker 4>no matter that like whether it be in the favorite

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<v Speaker 4>as a period piece or something in the future, or

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of his older stuff was in French and Greek.

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<v Speaker 4>Regardless of that, the way in which he creates his

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<v Speaker 4>worlds is so immediate that you know, yeah, And I

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<v Speaker 4>just think that's I don't know, yeah, I think that's

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<v Speaker 4>something so incredible about like being able to create like

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<v Speaker 4>this director, he has a universe in his head, and

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<v Speaker 4>every time he makes a movie, you get the opportunity

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<v Speaker 4>to enter into his world so immediately and the familiarity

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<v Speaker 4>of that. I'm sure lots of directors do that. I

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<v Speaker 4>think that's why people like and think.

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<v Speaker 1>My point was Thank God. There are filmmakers like Yugust

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<v Speaker 1>and Paul Thomas Anderson, Martin D. Mcdona who were about

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about and Ruben Osland is another one who

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<v Speaker 1>did Force Measure and was nominally for the Oscar for

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<v Speaker 1>the Triangle of Sadness. People talk about the marvelization of films,

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<v Speaker 1>but thank god there are some of these filmmakers who

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<v Speaker 1>are still making these weird, wonderful, beautiful films that we

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<v Speaker 1>can as adults appreciate and also that are.

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<v Speaker 4>Just stories too, Like I mean, we'll get I think

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<v Speaker 4>we'll dive into this more. But it was so lovely

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<v Speaker 4>to just sit there for ninety minutes this morning and

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<v Speaker 4>just it's just a story about someone and that's the

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<v Speaker 4>beautiful thing about doesn't need this mash crescendo or some

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<v Speaker 4>fucked up sorry, some horrible thing to happen. So I'm

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<v Speaker 4>so well media trained, I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>To take it back. Apologies to little lunch fans.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, it's just crazy because Josh from the front

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<v Speaker 4>gave me an energy, an energy remedy.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh is the best, is the best, Thank you, Josh.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're right. As a story, it's just.

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<v Speaker 4>It's and it's just that like we forget about that

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<v Speaker 4>that like it doesn't need to be a huge I

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<v Speaker 4>mean there's something too like crazy, big nuts, visceral stories,

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<v Speaker 4>but just like allowing yourself to just enter into the

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<v Speaker 4>living room or the space of someone for an hour

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<v Speaker 4>and a half and then you leave and it's not

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<v Speaker 4>a big message or a big letter. It's just you

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<v Speaker 4>sharing a vulnerable moment with these filmmakers as they've created

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<v Speaker 4>a little piece for you, and then you go again. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it's really it's humanizing.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess well, it's when they you might watch the

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<v Speaker 1>Oscars every year and somebody will get up and be

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<v Speaker 1>quite earnest about what movies do and they connect us

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<v Speaker 1>as human beings, and you can roll your arms a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, but it's it's it's kind of absolutely true.

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<v Speaker 1>We watch movies so we don't feel alone in this

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<v Speaker 1>in this world that we can connect with experiences and

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<v Speaker 1>the movie we're I'm talking about today. You know, I've

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<v Speaker 1>heard various people talk about it. It's you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to be a third in year old girl to understand

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<v Speaker 1>this film. Will get this film, and that's and that's

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<v Speaker 1>really powerful. But let's talk about your your Martin McDonough

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<v Speaker 1>is one of my favorite filmmakers as well, and he

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<v Speaker 1>made three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri. I love this film.

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<v Speaker 1>In Bruises is one of my absolute favorite films. Because

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<v Speaker 1>you've got brother Patrick, who also makes films Cavalry, Is

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<v Speaker 1>he the Cavalary? Was that his brother? He might have

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<v Speaker 1>been his brother, I think, which is also another great,

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<v Speaker 1>great film. And recently Martin made The Banshees of Insurance.

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<v Speaker 1>So great filmmaker. He's certainly if he's got a new

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<v Speaker 1>film out on my ticket is already purchased. Why do

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<v Speaker 1>you love Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri?

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's so incredible. Well, I think it's just

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<v Speaker 4>so incredibly profound, Like I think the story, the story

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<v Speaker 4>is just nuts. And I think that Francis McDermot always

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<v Speaker 4>reminds me of my mother a little bit, just in

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<v Speaker 4>her presence. Like I watched Almost Famous recently.

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<v Speaker 1>I was basically five minutes of it the other day

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<v Speaker 1>because I was leaving the house, but it was almost

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<v Speaker 1>like five minutes later than I had to because I

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<v Speaker 1>was watching so.

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<v Speaker 4>Good, such a good film. But just anyway, So I

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<v Speaker 4>think there's this there's this female strength that that woman

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<v Speaker 4>commands that makes me feel as if I'm her child

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<v Speaker 4>to some degree in anything that she does with her presence.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think it's just it's about the film is

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<v Speaker 4>about a takes place of her family after the eldest

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<v Speaker 4>daughter has been pretty brutally assaulted and murdered, and the

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<v Speaker 4>mother is waiting for the cops to do something about it,

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<v Speaker 4>and so she purchases three billboards outside of Eving, Missouri

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<v Speaker 4>that say some pretty crazy stuff about the lack of justice. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>the lack of justice directly towards the headshriff for cop

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<v Speaker 4>of the town. Yeah, And it's just I mean, this

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<v Speaker 4>story structure just blew my mind. I think, like this

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<v Speaker 4>is definitely one that you can't spoil, but like what

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<v Speaker 4>happens with him and that being in the first like third,

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<v Speaker 4>and then the growth of that other copy. I can't

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<v Speaker 4>remember the actor sent but that like just the turnaround,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think, like again talking about really, yeah, oh

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<v Speaker 4>my god, Samrockle is so good in that, and just

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<v Speaker 4>like that you didn't know what was going to happen.

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<v Speaker 4>You were already so devastated. It was so harsh and raw,

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<v Speaker 4>but also so hopeful. And then I don't know, it

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<v Speaker 4>just it just knocks me for a long time, and

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<v Speaker 4>I think it just has all of these incredible elements

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<v Speaker 4>to it that just it just it feels if it

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<v Speaker 4>feels so real and also so horrific, and yeah, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know, it just isn't incredibly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really it's really dark, but it is. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>is a it's a it's a beautiful film, and it

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<v Speaker 1>takes the places respected. Yeah, you know Woodie Harrelson's characters,

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<v Speaker 1>he has his own journey. It's not sideways in.

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<v Speaker 4>Sam Rockell's character has his own journey. And just like

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<v Speaker 4>the way in which they're able to paint these backgrounds

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<v Speaker 4>so gently too, like it's I don't know, it's it's

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<v Speaker 4>a crazy movie.

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<v Speaker 1>And also I think it's one of the first times

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps i'd seen Caleb Landry Jones, who plays Red, who's

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<v Speaker 1>like the the let's just say that, the dumb cop

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<v Speaker 1>if you like.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and no, no, no, he played he played the printmaker.

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<v Speaker 1>The printmaker that's right, Yeah, that's right. And yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>France and mcderman has to buy the billboards off. Even

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<v Speaker 1>the police have it take exception to it. But he's

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<v Speaker 1>an extraordinary actor.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 4>Just but also like it's just everyone is so brilliant

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<v Speaker 4>in it, and it's just I think there's also this

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<v Speaker 4>level of like not romanticism with America, but it's very

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<v Speaker 4>separate from especially the experiences I've had. But I think

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<v Speaker 4>as a culture as a whole, We're not. It's very drat,

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<v Speaker 4>it's quite different, Like I don't know things about it.

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<v Speaker 4>So when you watch a film like that and it's

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<v Speaker 4>so quintessentially American, and I just kind of think in

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<v Speaker 4>the current climate as well, it's just like holy shit,

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<v Speaker 4>yeah crazy. But it's just a yeah, She's a really

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<v Speaker 4>impactful movie. And I think it's just like I think

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<v Speaker 4>female rage and pain and strength and power is just

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<v Speaker 4>so And this is like a biased and selfish perspective,

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<v Speaker 4>but I just find it so strong and so moving,

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<v Speaker 4>and especially a story about like a mother's kind of

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<v Speaker 4>love and what she will do and her sense of

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<v Speaker 4>injustice and how she needs to be heard and for that, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it's just that comparison and of like it wasn't good

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<v Speaker 4>enough and it's justifiable that it wasn't good enough for her,

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<v Speaker 4>and she will do whatever she needs to to.

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<v Speaker 1>Get justice for a daughter. Absolutely, and France McDormand sells

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<v Speaker 1>strength like no other actor.

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<v Speaker 4>I not like with a look that's what I'm saying. Yeah,

0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:46.240
<v Speaker 4>it's just she's so still and so it's not scary,

0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:47.919
<v Speaker 4>it's just but this is the thing, and I think

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<v Speaker 4>this is a beautiful thing. She doesn't or the way

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<v Speaker 4>that she comes across. She's not embarrassed about her emotions.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that this is a pretty big thing for

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<v Speaker 4>like women seen as hysterical or dramatic or over the top.

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<v Speaker 4>So you're quite consistently like checking yourself for regaining because

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<v Speaker 4>you don't want to come across as emotional or erratic.

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<v Speaker 4>She just doesn't care, and that just yeah, pays off

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<v Speaker 4>every single time and leaves such an impact on you

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<v Speaker 4>because she's being genuine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, extraordinary film and maybe.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's light things up with the Bird Cage. Such a

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<v Speaker 4>good film. I watched it really young, and I just

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<v Speaker 4>I love Nathan Lane and Robin Williams like he was

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<v Speaker 4>my first, like probably first like love. I watched More

0:25:37.160 --> 0:25:40.080
<v Speaker 4>Can Mindy quite young, and so I had a real

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<v Speaker 4>entrance into his comedy there and then just kind of

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<v Speaker 4>kept watching it and I think it's just you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's just a perfect storm. It's hilariously camp. It's it's

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<v Speaker 4>Nathan Lane and Robin Williams playing a married a gay

0:25:48.280 --> 0:25:53.399
<v Speaker 4>married couple that own a night club drag house, and

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<v Speaker 4>Nathan Lane is the head drag queen and Robbie Williams

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<v Speaker 4>owns it and their son is getting married. It's so funny.

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<v Speaker 4>I've forgot how funny it is. Have you seen it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't have the memory of it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's good, it's good. She's getting married to like a

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<v Speaker 4>super conservative the daughter of like a super conservative politician. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>and hilarity ensues as they meet, and they're stressed about

0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 4>the two dads meetings. So the two dads meeting the

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<v Speaker 4>conservative parents, so they like try to get rid of

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<v Speaker 4>Nathan Lane, and he's very camp and upset about that,

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<v Speaker 4>and then try to get his biological mother to come

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<v Speaker 4>and pretend to be the mom, but then she gets

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<v Speaker 4>suck in traffic. So then Nathan Lane dressed up as

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<v Speaker 4>a woman, and then like it's just this like dinner show. Oh,

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<v Speaker 4>it's just they're just hiding all the gay paraphernalia because

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<v Speaker 4>they're so stressed about like the conservative Yeah, it's just

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<v Speaker 4>a it's a lot of fun and it's music and

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<v Speaker 4>like just that incredible physical hilarity and it's just being

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<v Speaker 4>so over the top and yeah, just great, it's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Revisit the bird Cage. Really fun for a long time. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get in to the movie. We are here to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about Today from twenty eighteen, written and directed by

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<v Speaker 1>Bo Burnham, kind of came the prominence in on YouTube

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of YouTube stuff. Sound comedian, very good actor

0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:18.679
<v Speaker 1>as well promising young woman stars Elsie Fisher and Josh Hamilton.

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<v Speaker 1>Olivia Deevil, did you enjoy eighth Grade?

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<v Speaker 4>I really enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>It was lots of fun. There was some points where

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<v Speaker 4>not I just was a bit like, where's it going?

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<v Speaker 4>But I think that's I think that's nice. I think

0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:33.440
<v Speaker 4>it's nice when that happens because it's forcing you to,

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<v Speaker 4>like sit, It's like a concentration exercise. It's like I

0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:39.080
<v Speaker 4>don't need to be stimulated all the time. I can

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<v Speaker 4>just be enjoying what's going on objectively. I thought the

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<v Speaker 4>way it was shot was great, like what we talked

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<v Speaker 4>about it before, of like the just watching her watch

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<v Speaker 4>things and it being like she being quite still as

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<v Speaker 4>this world moves around. And I love the idea of

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<v Speaker 4>an immersive music or immersive kind of soundtrack when that

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<v Speaker 4>really takes over and describes. I thought the music was

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<v Speaker 4>great in it. I thought I complimented it really well,

0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:06.040
<v Speaker 4>and it lack was very like it was a big

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<v Speaker 4>variety of music too as well, So I thought that

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<v Speaker 4>was cool. What's the leads girl?

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<v Speaker 1>The girl's name Elsie Fisher.

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<v Speaker 4>She's just so good, so good, She's so so good.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh she made me like sometimes when she like.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, babe.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I so I can now say this. I loved this film,

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<v Speaker 1>which maybe is unsurprisingly because I was urging you to

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<v Speaker 1>watch it and wanted to do it. I was blown

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<v Speaker 1>away by this film, I understand. I went back and

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<v Speaker 1>looked at what films were nominated for the twenty nineteen Oscars,

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<v Speaker 1>and the favorite was was in there. Green Book won

0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:47.880
<v Speaker 1>and like Panther, Like Clansman, Vice, A Star Is Born,

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:52.040
<v Speaker 1>Bahemi Rhapsody, this should have been nominated. And I looked

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<v Speaker 1>at the best actresses. Olivia Coleman won for the Favorite.

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<v Speaker 1>Got no problem with that, Lady Garga and Melissa McCarthy

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<v Speaker 1>and one of the actresses from Roma and Glenn Close

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<v Speaker 1>for the Wife, and Elsie Fisher should have been in that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have no problem if you hear that one.

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<v Speaker 1>That was an astonishing performance, made all the more astonishing

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<v Speaker 1>by the fact that I've heard bo Burnham say that

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<v Speaker 1>all her starters and stumbles were all scripted, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>not this idea where.

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<v Speaker 4>This kind of just just just say, just film you

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<v Speaker 4>as you're doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is a performance. And sometimes when somebody the

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<v Speaker 1>first time I've all seen Elsie Fisher. I remember when

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<v Speaker 1>Chris O'Donnell came onto the scene with the sense of

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<v Speaker 1>a woman or Ethan Hawk in their pelts. So playing

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<v Speaker 1>like nervous, stumbling kind of characters, you're not sure how

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<v Speaker 1>much of it is just them and how much is

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<v Speaker 1>he is genuine acting. And then you see, particularly Ethan

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<v Speaker 1>Hawk's career evolved, you're going to go, I know, that

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<v Speaker 1>was a brilliant performance. And so sometimes you're not sure

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<v Speaker 1>and we still don't know. We haven't rely seen Elsie

0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:57.720
<v Speaker 1>Fisher's career evolve fully yet. But knowing that that was

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<v Speaker 1>all scripted, I think it's astonishing.

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<v Speaker 4>And it adds another it adds another layer to it

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<v Speaker 4>as well, because it's not just let me capture something

0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:10.400
<v Speaker 4>that's currently going on, it's replicating. Yeah, so she was awesome.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't have that. I had I had a very

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<v Speaker 4>unorthodox childhood experience.

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<v Speaker 1>So you so the age is thirteen, I think basically

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<v Speaker 1>eighth grade. Yes, so, and you had You had a

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<v Speaker 1>dip because you went off working for a bit and

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<v Speaker 1>you had a different kind of schooling kind of experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell us about that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so I, well I already had a pretty bizarre

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:33.600
<v Speaker 4>I went first to a bilingual primary school because my

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:36.760
<v Speaker 4>mum really wanted me to speak French, so I went

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<v Speaker 4>there for a few years. And then we went to

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<v Speaker 4>with Steiner Steiner Kids, which is like an alternative learning

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<v Speaker 4>stream like Montessori, so already not necessarily like an Australian

0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:51.360
<v Speaker 4>kind of education. And then I got Little Lunch, the

0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:53.720
<v Speaker 4>first TV show that I started doing at twelve. So

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<v Speaker 4>then I was out for a year and we did

0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:58.600
<v Speaker 4>schooling on set, but yeah, we were just in a

0:30:58.640 --> 0:31:01.120
<v Speaker 4>little kind of built school system. And then we just

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<v Speaker 4>go off every couple of hours in film. So that

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<v Speaker 4>was awesome but not not a normal experience. And then

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<v Speaker 4>I came back and then I was at school. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what probably for that kind of year. It

0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:17.320
<v Speaker 4>was this year going into years six, maybe finishing year sixty,

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<v Speaker 4>year seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this is a thing is in America, you know,

0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:24.880
<v Speaker 1>the first couple of years it's it's not quite high school.

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<v Speaker 1>So we go to high school in year.

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<v Speaker 4>Seven seven, yeah, so this is I believe the middle

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<v Speaker 4>school bit, which is yeah, six, seven a and then nine,

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:35.480
<v Speaker 4>ten eleven, I guess high school yea, yeah, so no,

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<v Speaker 4>this was actually I was the year seven to year

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<v Speaker 4>achs and I got home and away when I was

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<v Speaker 4>going into year eight, right, So yeah, I had like

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<v Speaker 4>one year at school in this regard, and I do

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<v Speaker 4>really there were the components I really related to, is like,

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<v Speaker 4>regardless of I think where you fit in the clicks

0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:54.280
<v Speaker 4>or your popularity, usually that monologue about how she feels

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<v Speaker 4>like she's just consistently and perpetually anxious, and I just

0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:01.280
<v Speaker 4>like that it's just so true and just like relatable

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<v Speaker 4>of you like so desperately trying to be cool and

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<v Speaker 4>just trying that to like you just want nothing more

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<v Speaker 4>than to be liked or not even liked, but just

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<v Speaker 4>to be like allowed to be part of the group

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<v Speaker 4>like this, like hankering for like watching them all laugh

0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:19.040
<v Speaker 4>and like having no idea what the what they're laughing

0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:21.560
<v Speaker 4>at and how do you find that funny or like

0:32:21.640 --> 0:32:23.920
<v Speaker 4>what's cool at the moment, and like, Okay, how do

0:32:24.040 --> 0:32:27.040
<v Speaker 4>I make myself cool? For that is just maybe it's

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<v Speaker 4>not a universal experience, but I think it's just it's

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<v Speaker 4>really interesting how much of that is placed like that

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<v Speaker 4>really feels like the quintessential kind of adolescence moment, which

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<v Speaker 4>I'm I don't know, is that that the same fear?

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<v Speaker 3>Well?

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<v Speaker 1>I think so I had a good, you know, high

0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:43.520
<v Speaker 1>school experience and primary school, and I had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of a group of friends who basically went from primary

0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:47.920
<v Speaker 1>school with me to my high school. And they're still

0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:50.800
<v Speaker 1>my friends. You know, they're still my group. Yeah, but

0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:55.480
<v Speaker 1>they're still we can all relate to the feeling of

0:32:57.720 --> 0:32:59.840
<v Speaker 1>being anxious or nervous about something. I mean, when we

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:02.400
<v Speaker 1>out of you know, these rehearsals repeat in the Starcatcher.

0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:05.600
<v Speaker 1>That first day felt like like the first day of school,

0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:09.560
<v Speaker 1>and like I knew Colin Lane was the only person

0:33:09.600 --> 0:33:12.920
<v Speaker 1>I knew beforehand, and I knew of people but I

0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:15.240
<v Speaker 1>didn't know and it's it's very different experience. And I

0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 1>remember thinking, oh, some of these people already know each

0:33:17.600 --> 0:33:19.800
<v Speaker 1>other and oh god, yeah, you know, and it was

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:21.240
<v Speaker 1>it was bizarre.

0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:21.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think, you know, you don't have to be

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<v Speaker 1>like I said early at third and you're a girl

0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:28.320
<v Speaker 1>to realize this is such a relatable thing. And I

0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:31.440
<v Speaker 1>think the genius about what they've done with eighth grade.

0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Bo Burnham is the dad character is also another window

0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:38.680
<v Speaker 1>into this movie like that I so I watched this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if I told you this. I'm not

0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:42.800
<v Speaker 1>sure if I've I told one or two of fellow

0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:46.320
<v Speaker 1>actors at Star Catcher. But I watched this after a

0:33:46.360 --> 0:33:48.720
<v Speaker 1>show one night and just put it on and I

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:52.240
<v Speaker 1>burst into tears at one point when and we'll play

0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:54.400
<v Speaker 1>it a bit later, when there's a when he finally

0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:57.600
<v Speaker 1>gets through to her, there's a connection and she kind

0:33:57.600 --> 0:34:00.560
<v Speaker 1>of like leaps into his arms, and I just I

0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:03.520
<v Speaker 1>just I took Like in the morning, I'm in an

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<v Speaker 1>apartment in camera by myself, and I'm just bawling at

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:08.880
<v Speaker 1>this movie about this eighth grade. But it's not just

0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:12.319
<v Speaker 1>about her. It's like having that window in because as

0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:15.440
<v Speaker 1>a parent, you are just trying to well. My attitude

0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:17.840
<v Speaker 1>is I won't be able to teach you everything. You know.

0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:20.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't have the skills like you know, like you

0:34:20.320 --> 0:34:22.360
<v Speaker 1>can learn how to put a fish on the hook yourself,

0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:24.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, or somebody an call teacher.

0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:25.600
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:27.799
<v Speaker 1>I'll teach you how to ride a bike and simple things,

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:30.560
<v Speaker 1>but my main aim is to make you feel that

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:32.719
<v Speaker 1>you are safe, that you are supported, and you are laughed.

0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:35.160
<v Speaker 1>That's been my attitude the whole way through. And also

0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:38.800
<v Speaker 1>you know he's had to, i think, be a good person, respect,

0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:42.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, and all that stuff. And you to see

0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:46.040
<v Speaker 1>him trying to get through to her, and they played

0:34:46.040 --> 0:34:49.279
<v Speaker 1>at a really good level that she is not nice

0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:52.719
<v Speaker 1>to her, but we don't, we don't dislike her. There's

0:34:52.719 --> 0:34:54.279
<v Speaker 1>a really good film playing in cinema at the moment

0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:58.200
<v Speaker 1>called Audrey, made by some friends of mine, Natalie Bailey

0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:01.000
<v Speaker 1>directed in Lucan's that they worked with me on how

0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:04.880
<v Speaker 1>to Stay married. And they have a daughter called Audrey

0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:09.920
<v Speaker 1>who and she is an awful, awful, awful character. You

0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:12.719
<v Speaker 1>hate you hate her pretty quickly, and she's a bit

0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:16.960
<v Speaker 1>older than than Kayla. But there's an absolute purpose that

0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:19.480
<v Speaker 1>she actually goes into a coma and everybody's lives becomes

0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:22.600
<v Speaker 1>better while she's in the So it's a strategy to

0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:26.840
<v Speaker 1>have the audience not like this character where you know,

0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:29.560
<v Speaker 1>in the wrong hands, else you could become a bit

0:35:29.680 --> 0:35:31.560
<v Speaker 1>unlikable because of the way she's treating her dad. But

0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:34.279
<v Speaker 1>because she's she is so likable, and we wanted to

0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:37.719
<v Speaker 1>win and we understand why that frustrations well.

0:35:37.600 --> 0:35:41.279
<v Speaker 4>Because inherently it's like that's for her. He is a

0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:44.480
<v Speaker 4>safe Like there's that thing of like she's just decompressing

0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:46.160
<v Speaker 4>on him and so like she's had to keep it

0:35:46.239 --> 0:35:48.000
<v Speaker 4>together so hard and be so nice and so smiling

0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:50.239
<v Speaker 4>to everyone that actually, like he is her place of

0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:53.400
<v Speaker 4>safety to relinquish or be disrespectful in that regard. I

0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:56.480
<v Speaker 4>also fucking love the fact that they had so they

0:35:56.480 --> 0:35:59.239
<v Speaker 4>were so similar like in their like he was so

0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:02.400
<v Speaker 4>anxious and he was like you just you know, you

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:04.839
<v Speaker 4>gotta be confident in himself and like, and I love

0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:07.360
<v Speaker 4>that because I feel like we don't we pit parent

0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:10.239
<v Speaker 4>and child relationships against each other in films so much

0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:13.640
<v Speaker 4>like you don't understand me, I don't understand you will

0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:15.960
<v Speaker 4>just keep budding and then we'll have a big yell

0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:17.640
<v Speaker 4>or something fucked up will happen, and then we can

0:36:17.680 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 4>be friends again at the end. Whereas this was just like, yeah,

0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:23.960
<v Speaker 4>you're totally right, Like his performance was so like I

0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:25.319
<v Speaker 4>just want to get through to her. Am I gonna

0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:26.880
<v Speaker 4>try this angle? L right, I'll try this angle or

0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:28.920
<v Speaker 4>back off, because in the beginning I was like, tell you,

0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:31.680
<v Speaker 4>tell it to get off a phone. Yeah, a little

0:36:31.719 --> 0:36:33.920
<v Speaker 4>bit when I hadn't like a little and I was like,

0:36:34.000 --> 0:36:36.000
<v Speaker 4>why is he So I was like, Oh, he's gonna

0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:37.239
<v Speaker 4>be a bit of a wet blanket, like he's just

0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:39.879
<v Speaker 4>kinda kind of a pear. And then I'm gonna he's

0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:41.799
<v Speaker 4>gonna say something that to go And it did. Wasn't

0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:44.800
<v Speaker 4>that like you? You also felt bad for him, but

0:36:45.000 --> 0:36:48.400
<v Speaker 4>justified for her and like confused as to why he

0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:51.320
<v Speaker 4>was so casual, like I wanted him to be more present,

0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:54.040
<v Speaker 4>but then realizing like he knew that's I don't know,

0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:56.040
<v Speaker 4>maybe his parents never did that for him, and so

0:36:56.160 --> 0:36:58.080
<v Speaker 4>he was trying to give her the space because he

0:36:58.160 --> 0:36:58.560
<v Speaker 4>knew that.

0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:02.080
<v Speaker 1>He probably also knows if he pushes goes down that road,

0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:05.960
<v Speaker 1>he will push her away. Only daughter. The mom's not

0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:10.000
<v Speaker 1>on the scene. There's only a fleeting reference of her leaving. Now.

0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:13.759
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like she left as opposed to die.

0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Die.

0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:16.400
<v Speaker 1>I think you will probably know more about it if

0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:18.359
<v Speaker 1>she did die. But I love that There's all these

0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:19.600
<v Speaker 1>things that aren't.

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:21.279
<v Speaker 4>Well.

0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:23.239
<v Speaker 1>The fact she's invited to that pool party. The only

0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:25.719
<v Speaker 1>reason she gets invited to that pool party the mum,

0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:28.600
<v Speaker 1>because the mum has the crush has a crush on

0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:31.320
<v Speaker 1>a single dad and it's so fleeting. If you're not

0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 1>paying attention, you don't see it. But it's the only reason.

0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:37.680
<v Speaker 1>When she's looking over her shoulders your dad. Yeah yeah,

0:37:37.920 --> 0:37:42.360
<v Speaker 1>And it's so it's so beautifully done. And also that

0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:45.120
<v Speaker 1>all of her posts basically come from something her dad

0:37:45.239 --> 0:37:48.680
<v Speaker 1>tells her. It's like he is getting true. Absolutely, it's

0:37:48.680 --> 0:37:51.560
<v Speaker 1>just so true. And for someone like Bo Burnham, who's

0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 1>a young man my knowledge, does not have kids. But

0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:56.680
<v Speaker 1>that was a made up trend, by.

0:37:56.600 --> 0:37:59.880
<v Speaker 4>The way, That's what I'm saying exactly, Like it's so.

0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Which which which I love because it's clever. Yeah, Elsie

0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:05.200
<v Speaker 1>apparently would say it, and she didn't know why she said.

0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:08.080
<v Speaker 1>She just kind of she was nervous and she didn't

0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:10.040
<v Speaker 1>have to finished sentence, and so she just got Gucci

0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:11.600
<v Speaker 1>and then it became the thing.

0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:14.759
<v Speaker 4>Exactly and they included it, which is like super clever

0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:17.359
<v Speaker 4>and I think that's really fun creating. Or just even

0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:20.440
<v Speaker 4>the like the whole movie was so awkward, like when

0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:24.640
<v Speaker 4>they're in the just even like the practice gun uh drill,

0:38:24.760 --> 0:38:27.439
<v Speaker 4>oh my god, or just even the like when they're

0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:30.440
<v Speaker 4>in the line just kids yelling out just absolute shit,

0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:34.440
<v Speaker 4>just like the Dribbler. Every time anyone said that was

0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:37.120
<v Speaker 4>really I was like, you were immediately back in like

0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:39.160
<v Speaker 4>I was back in this classroom with all of these

0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:42.200
<v Speaker 4>weird teenagers that I didn't understand, but I did really

0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:45.440
<v Speaker 4>relate to her. That other beautiful thing was the dad

0:38:45.480 --> 0:38:48.000
<v Speaker 4>relationship where he's spying and then he does let her go,

0:38:48.040 --> 0:38:49.800
<v Speaker 4>and like when he then says, Okay, I'll let you

0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:52.239
<v Speaker 4>go and I'll let like I trust that you're going

0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:56.279
<v Speaker 4>to be safe, and then she gets driven home by

0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:58.400
<v Speaker 4>that boy and we'll talk about that scene in a

0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:00.400
<v Speaker 4>second anyway, but that she did like she said no,

0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:03.840
<v Speaker 4>she said she wasn't comfortable, and then later when he said, like,

0:39:04.480 --> 0:39:08.560
<v Speaker 4>I've raised you to know your own boundaries and respect that,

0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:11.960
<v Speaker 4>I just thought, like that was just lovely in just

0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:13.960
<v Speaker 4>the space that they gave one another, and like actually

0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:16.719
<v Speaker 4>making her I think doing writing like that's really clever

0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:19.640
<v Speaker 4>because it was an evident decision of consent and the

0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:21.480
<v Speaker 4>levels that were comfortable with and also that like you

0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:24.160
<v Speaker 4>do need to it's okay that he let her go

0:39:24.280 --> 0:39:27.680
<v Speaker 4>and be in that car because she was pretty aware

0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:31.279
<v Speaker 4>of the danger or the risk quite early on and

0:39:31.400 --> 0:39:33.400
<v Speaker 4>I think it was like that is how you, as

0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:35.840
<v Speaker 4>a young woman learn. He's like, you can get in

0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:38.960
<v Speaker 4>a slightly hairy situation, you go, okay, no, that could

0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:40.800
<v Speaker 4>have been worse. So that's the boundary that leads to that, No,

0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:43.160
<v Speaker 4>I am able to still get myself home, or I'm

0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:45.680
<v Speaker 4>able to still be consenting. And then I really enjoyed

0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:48.600
<v Speaker 4>that the reason she stopped or the last video she makes,

0:39:48.600 --> 0:39:49.960
<v Speaker 4>she's like, I'm gonna stop making them a while because

0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:51.440
<v Speaker 4>I don't think I'm being authentic. I thought it was

0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:54.480
<v Speaker 4>going to be like a mental health spiral, but was

0:39:54.560 --> 0:39:56.840
<v Speaker 4>really incredibly insightful that she was just like, I just

0:39:56.880 --> 0:40:00.719
<v Speaker 4>don't think what I'm preaching right now is the truth yet,

0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:01.920
<v Speaker 4>and so I need to go. And I just thought

0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:05.760
<v Speaker 4>that was really great and like you could see her mature.

0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:08.719
<v Speaker 4>I think it's quite hard, and she matures quite late

0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:11.160
<v Speaker 4>in the film too, like I'm like last ten minutes

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:13.359
<v Speaker 4>kind of thing, you know, where she's really like, she's

0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:15.879
<v Speaker 4>pretty the same, pretty insecure and nothing like she isn't

0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:18.000
<v Speaker 4>really landing the friends, it isn't really working for her.

0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:20.680
<v Speaker 4>It's still feeling quite fake or performity of up until

0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:23.399
<v Speaker 4>those last ten minutes. And then that was really lovely

0:40:23.440 --> 0:40:25.760
<v Speaker 4>because it's almost like, yeah, but that's where hitting puberty

0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:27.759
<v Speaker 4>feels like. And then suddenly tomorrow the next day and

0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:30.680
<v Speaker 4>you're the you know everything and you're confident in yourself

0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:34.560
<v Speaker 4>and everything's changed now and like, oh, I'm new. Yeah,

0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:37.279
<v Speaker 4>And so it was even that like mirror mimicking that.

0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:40.120
<v Speaker 4>That's kind of what puberty. You're evolving, feels like. You

0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:44.200
<v Speaker 4>have like a really shit seven months and like everything sucks,

0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:47.359
<v Speaker 4>and then suddenly you're, oh, okay, we're on it. Right,

0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:49.680
<v Speaker 4>there's a new spike of some hormone or a doorphone,

0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:51.359
<v Speaker 4>or your brain develops a little bit more, you get

0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:53.840
<v Speaker 4>more insight, and then you you're there and you're changed.

0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:57.560
<v Speaker 1>Because I do think you're absolutely right. It's she's being performative,

0:40:57.800 --> 0:40:59.919
<v Speaker 1>and I think she's that's the thing. I think she's

0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:03.680
<v Speaker 1>she's smart and she's self aware, but she is trying

0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:08.520
<v Speaker 1>to convince herself or manifest this confident person by doing

0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:12.600
<v Speaker 1>these vlogs, and like she knows she's lying. I think

0:41:13.040 --> 0:41:16.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't think she really believes she's a guru, but

0:41:16.239 --> 0:41:19.280
<v Speaker 1>she I think she's thinking if I can convince people

0:41:20.280 --> 0:41:21.799
<v Speaker 1>that it will be true, then it will be true.

0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:25.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And this is the interesting thing. I think perhaps

0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:28.640
<v Speaker 4>this happens more because we've had access to social media

0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:31.880
<v Speaker 4>so young. You have access to it's not just a

0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:35.120
<v Speaker 4>small bubble, it's not that like this is the hierarchy

0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:38.480
<v Speaker 4>of the school. And then my social peers that I

0:41:38.600 --> 0:41:42.440
<v Speaker 4>hang out with here, like you immediately log on and

0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:44.960
<v Speaker 4>can interact with a variety of people from all these

0:41:44.960 --> 0:41:48.440
<v Speaker 4>different walks of life and immediately see images that you

0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 4>would not be privy to, like maybe you'd see them

0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:52.839
<v Speaker 4>in a magazine or a newspaper, but like that they're

0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:56.880
<v Speaker 4>immediately tangible and accessible to your phone, and that you

0:41:56.960 --> 0:41:59.799
<v Speaker 4>have this added like layer. It's like an added responsibility

0:41:59.840 --> 0:42:02.359
<v Speaker 4>of who's my what is my social presence? Like every

0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:04.680
<v Speaker 4>time like that happened to me when I first got

0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:07.279
<v Speaker 4>an Instagram account that was just for friends, Like you

0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:09.960
<v Speaker 4>sit and you mull over and you look at theirs

0:42:10.040 --> 0:42:11.880
<v Speaker 4>and you think, okay, is this right? So this is

0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:14.000
<v Speaker 4>the filter that everyone's using, Like okay, so I'll use

0:42:14.040 --> 0:42:16.120
<v Speaker 4>that filter and plan the photos and this is the

0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:18.960
<v Speaker 4>aesthetic that's going on, and so we all then like

0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:21.120
<v Speaker 4>I just remember that so viscerally in high school, like

0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:26.520
<v Speaker 4>from like like at the moment in Instagram landscape pictures

0:42:26.560 --> 0:42:28.560
<v Speaker 4>that have no editing that are kind of like or

0:42:28.600 --> 0:42:31.839
<v Speaker 4>of bizarre shit is really like popular and like if

0:42:31.840 --> 0:42:33.600
<v Speaker 4>you did that with the selfie and then like you covered,

0:42:33.680 --> 0:42:35.960
<v Speaker 4>so it's like and I don't need it, Like I'm not.

0:42:36.120 --> 0:42:38.840
<v Speaker 4>I try quite hard to remove myself from subscribing to

0:42:40.040 --> 0:42:43.320
<v Speaker 4>the importance, taking away importance from that because it just

0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:45.880
<v Speaker 4>it didn't make me inherently happy at all, and I

0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:48.480
<v Speaker 4>think it like is fucked for people's mental health, but

0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:52.000
<v Speaker 4>it's still inside me totally there, and I think that's

0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:54.600
<v Speaker 4>like he did it really well. When she's staying up

0:42:54.640 --> 0:42:56.880
<v Speaker 4>and just scrolling and scrolling and scrolling into the fucking

0:42:56.920 --> 0:42:59.400
<v Speaker 4>hours and just like you're looking at these women's bodies,

0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:01.839
<v Speaker 4>women's smile, telling you how confident and awesome they are

0:43:01.920 --> 0:43:03.640
<v Speaker 4>and how much you should just love yourself and like

0:43:04.600 --> 0:43:07.560
<v Speaker 4>you know it's fake, but you just still consume it

0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:10.080
<v Speaker 4>and you just it's a crazy like the phone is

0:43:10.120 --> 0:43:10.920
<v Speaker 4>a crazy addiction.

0:43:12.440 --> 0:43:14.840
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, it's gonna be fascinating over the next year

0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:17.680
<v Speaker 1>or so. In Australia, where there are laws that will

0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:20.960
<v Speaker 1>who knows how they're going to police it, and we

0:43:21.000 --> 0:43:23.920
<v Speaker 1>don't need to get into that, but it's you know,

0:43:24.120 --> 0:43:26.839
<v Speaker 1>if you you can't be on social media until you're sixteen. Yeah,

0:43:27.239 --> 0:43:28.399
<v Speaker 1>and I think it's great.

0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:31.239
<v Speaker 4>I think that's a great rule, you know.

0:43:31.320 --> 0:43:33.239
<v Speaker 1>And I hope, I hope it has an impact and

0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:35.920
<v Speaker 1>I hope that, you know, they can police it. I

0:43:36.080 --> 0:43:38.799
<v Speaker 1>noticed if my kids, they were all all my kids

0:43:38.840 --> 0:43:41.200
<v Speaker 1>were big readers growing up. Yeah, we read them a

0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:41.719
<v Speaker 1>whole lot.

0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:41.960
<v Speaker 5>You know.

0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:44.879
<v Speaker 1>I've written books that you know, you know, they've seen

0:43:44.920 --> 0:43:47.080
<v Speaker 1>me right then, they've seen them published, and as soon

0:43:47.120 --> 0:43:49.600
<v Speaker 1>as I put a phone in their hands, they stop reading. Yeah,

0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:52.680
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I'm hopeful it comes back to them

0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:55.840
<v Speaker 1>that we planted at an age where you know, sometimes

0:43:55.920 --> 0:43:57.520
<v Speaker 1>you do go away from books because you've reading them

0:43:57.560 --> 0:43:59.440
<v Speaker 1>for school and maybe you don't like the books you've

0:43:59.440 --> 0:44:02.520
<v Speaker 1>been told to read. But I'm hoping it's it's inherent

0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:05.120
<v Speaker 1>in them. It will come back. Yeah. I do like

0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:09.600
<v Speaker 1>that it doesn't overtly demonize social media though, Like it's

0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:12.560
<v Speaker 1>not like she's putting content out into the world people,

0:44:12.640 --> 0:44:16.759
<v Speaker 1>she's not getting trolled, yea. And even the fact that

0:44:17.120 --> 0:44:20.399
<v Speaker 1>like the Girls, they couldn't the versions of this movie

0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:22.759
<v Speaker 1>were they're meaner, you know, like like the mean girls,

0:44:22.880 --> 0:44:25.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, and and they they're not. They're really just

0:44:25.800 --> 0:44:29.040
<v Speaker 1>ignoring her really like for them, they she doesn't exist.

0:44:29.360 --> 0:44:34.040
<v Speaker 1>And yes, they could be nicer, but they're not. They're

0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:37.600
<v Speaker 1>not trolling her, they're not playing jokes on her. It's

0:44:38.200 --> 0:44:40.600
<v Speaker 1>and I thought that was a really clever move as well.

0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:42.680
<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of smart choices, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>times where bo Burn has not taken.

0:44:44.200 --> 0:44:47.320
<v Speaker 4>The easy option absolutely or just it's also honed in

0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:50.200
<v Speaker 4>more like it inherently makes it more complicated because then you,

0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:52.000
<v Speaker 4>as an audience member have to go, oh, well, they're

0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:53.920
<v Speaker 4>not being mean, but they are completely ostracizing her, And

0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:55.600
<v Speaker 4>if I was in that position, I would be totally

0:44:55.719 --> 0:44:57.799
<v Speaker 4>upset and trying to Like, it makes you think about

0:44:57.800 --> 0:45:02.359
<v Speaker 4>it more because the obvious is not happening consistently. Yeah,

0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:04.840
<v Speaker 4>and just even that, like going back to this this

0:45:05.000 --> 0:45:07.160
<v Speaker 4>car scene where she's getting driven home and a boy

0:45:07.400 --> 0:45:09.160
<v Speaker 4>tries it on with her, you know, in the end

0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:12.160
<v Speaker 4>he even like when she's apologizing and he's just kind

0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:15.160
<v Speaker 4>of flipped it on his head, and that almost kind

0:45:15.160 --> 0:45:17.560
<v Speaker 4>of made it light again too, because it's like, yeah,

0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:20.239
<v Speaker 4>like you're both just yt like I don't know, it's

0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:22.080
<v Speaker 4>not like and that's really important to me. I think

0:45:22.080 --> 0:45:24.240
<v Speaker 4>it's like important to talk about the little the little

0:45:24.280 --> 0:45:27.640
<v Speaker 4>awkward bits that's like, that's not assault, it wasn't well.

0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:30.959
<v Speaker 4>I think it's dependent on like everyone's it was perspectively different,

0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:33.200
<v Speaker 4>but I don't. Like, I think it's really important talking

0:45:33.200 --> 0:45:36.239
<v Speaker 4>about acknowledging that things can make you feel uncomfortable, but

0:45:36.480 --> 0:45:40.400
<v Speaker 4>lines haven't been crossed or things haven't been taken away,

0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:42.840
<v Speaker 4>or you've been abused or something has now happened to you.

0:45:43.040 --> 0:45:45.560
<v Speaker 4>Like it's important to understand that things happen in the

0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:47.279
<v Speaker 4>world and going, oh, that didn't make me feel good,

0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:49.520
<v Speaker 4>but now I know that that doesn't make me feel good. Yeah,

0:45:49.560 --> 0:45:51.279
<v Speaker 4>and so I can move from this.

0:45:52.160 --> 0:45:53.480
<v Speaker 1>And there's a filmmaker and she's.

0:45:53.360 --> 0:45:55.760
<v Speaker 4>Not damaged, Like that's what it's nice. She's not damaged,

0:45:55.800 --> 0:45:57.480
<v Speaker 4>and that's so important, Like we don't need to see

0:45:57.480 --> 0:46:01.080
<v Speaker 4>another thirteen year old like take drugs and then something

0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:03.359
<v Speaker 4>awful happening to them and then burning all of their

0:46:03.800 --> 0:46:06.640
<v Speaker 4>all of their bridges before they're even like eighteen. It's

0:46:06.760 --> 0:46:10.880
<v Speaker 4>nice to just like someone who's just like having a

0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:14.200
<v Speaker 4>bit of a crap time and it gets better, is lovely.

0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And we've seen the movies where they might you know,

0:46:19.920 --> 0:46:24.080
<v Speaker 1>have sex before they wanted to or and then feel

0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:26.480
<v Speaker 1>bad about afterwards. And it's like we've seen that, I

0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:31.120
<v Speaker 1>think bo burn and makes a smart choice to not

0:46:31.200 --> 0:46:34.399
<v Speaker 1>even have any kind of physical contact. He doesn't even

0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:36.440
<v Speaker 1>lean in for a kiss or anything. But but it

0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:39.839
<v Speaker 1>still makes the point that these are my boundaries. Yeah,

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:41.560
<v Speaker 1>and the fact that she has to kind of then

0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:45.600
<v Speaker 1>he's trying to kind of apologize to him, and he,

0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:47.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, says a lot as well, let's have listened

0:46:47.440 --> 0:46:49.960
<v Speaker 1>to this a little bit of that moment.

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<v Speaker 7>Ah, okay, well, choose their dare.

0:46:55.920 --> 0:46:56.520
<v Speaker 3>I think there?

0:46:58.000 --> 0:46:58.439
<v Speaker 2>Oh kay?

0:46:59.400 --> 0:46:59.600
<v Speaker 8>Yeah?

0:47:00.600 --> 0:47:05.719
<v Speaker 4>Uh uh?

0:47:06.719 --> 0:47:11.800
<v Speaker 7>Put this corder in your mouth? You yeah, sorry, that

0:47:11.920 --> 0:47:20.560
<v Speaker 7>was gross. Ah okay, Well, like you know, uh what

0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:21.320
<v Speaker 7>do you what do?

0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:22.320
<v Speaker 2>What do you want to do?

0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:27.480
<v Speaker 4>You know you can pick.

0:47:30.800 --> 0:47:33.799
<v Speaker 5>H. I don't know ship.

0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:36.640
<v Speaker 4>So much.

0:47:43.120 --> 0:47:44.480
<v Speaker 3>I could take my shirt off.

0:47:45.719 --> 0:47:51.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean that's stupid though, Is that stupid? Uh? No, No,

0:47:52.880 --> 0:47:55.080
<v Speaker 2>that's fine. I feel like a fucking idiot.

0:47:57.040 --> 0:47:59.359
<v Speaker 1>Is it fine if I take my shirt off?

0:47:59.480 --> 0:47:59.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:01.800
<v Speaker 2>All right, I'm.

0:48:01.680 --> 0:48:02.200
<v Speaker 3>Gonna do it.

0:48:12.760 --> 0:48:22.359
<v Speaker 2>H truth are there? Uh uh uh?

0:48:22.800 --> 0:48:23.080
<v Speaker 4>Truth?

0:48:25.920 --> 0:48:25.960
<v Speaker 2>No?

0:48:26.120 --> 0:48:26.359
<v Speaker 8>Fun?

0:48:28.840 --> 0:48:31.600
<v Speaker 4>Uh sorry, okay.

0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:37.680
<v Speaker 1>There, Yeah, and she she she does take a stay

0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:39.520
<v Speaker 1>in and say no, I'm not I'm not comfortable doing this,

0:48:39.640 --> 0:48:41.560
<v Speaker 1>and it's it's a really good performance by both of them.

0:48:42.120 --> 0:48:44.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure what the actor's name is, but yeah,

0:48:44.840 --> 0:48:50.080
<v Speaker 1>it's so the intention, you know what the intention is,

0:48:51.160 --> 0:48:53.279
<v Speaker 1>and you're kind of right, they're gond of go what

0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:56.400
<v Speaker 1>it like? You know, what.

0:48:58.280 --> 0:48:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Is it?

0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:01.239
<v Speaker 1>Okay? Like you know, like we're at the line, like

0:49:01.440 --> 0:49:05.000
<v Speaker 1>what lines has he crossed? It's a it's a much

0:49:05.040 --> 0:49:08.680
<v Speaker 1>of murky and youanced scene then just the obvious one

0:49:08.719 --> 0:49:11.279
<v Speaker 1>of him, you know, forcing himself on.

0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:16.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, exactly, and I think it's it's important to honor

0:49:16.719 --> 0:49:20.640
<v Speaker 4>that like that. Yeah, like that is the age, Like

0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:22.640
<v Speaker 4>that's kind of the age range that it does happen.

0:49:22.680 --> 0:49:24.560
<v Speaker 4>And it's or just even like the boy that she

0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:27.160
<v Speaker 4>has a crush on, like walking around like with the

0:49:27.360 --> 0:49:30.080
<v Speaker 4>T shirt just like around his neck, or then just

0:49:30.160 --> 0:49:32.719
<v Speaker 4>like he's playing a game and she's like, oh, I

0:49:32.840 --> 0:49:37.239
<v Speaker 4>don't open this dirty picture? Really, what's it off? Just

0:49:37.320 --> 0:49:40.480
<v Speaker 4>like it's so but there's still so much youth in it.

0:49:40.640 --> 0:49:42.520
<v Speaker 4>I guess I didn't really have that experience as much

0:49:42.560 --> 0:49:45.799
<v Speaker 4>with like felt like boys were a little bit more

0:49:45.920 --> 0:49:48.040
<v Speaker 4>terrified of me because I was more so I don't

0:49:48.040 --> 0:49:50.239
<v Speaker 4>think I kind of had that experience with bot, Like

0:49:50.640 --> 0:49:52.279
<v Speaker 4>it was me and me being like, who wants to

0:49:52.280 --> 0:49:53.200
<v Speaker 4>bliss in the bottle?

0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:53.600
<v Speaker 2>Am I?

0:49:53.760 --> 0:49:53.920
<v Speaker 4>Right?

0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:54.239
<v Speaker 1>Am?

0:49:54.280 --> 0:49:54.560
<v Speaker 3>I right?

0:49:54.680 --> 0:49:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Crazy?

0:49:55.080 --> 0:50:00.400
<v Speaker 4>Guys? But yeah, it just I don't it was it

0:50:00.520 --> 0:50:02.920
<v Speaker 4>was so light and youthful and that like it was

0:50:02.960 --> 0:50:05.239
<v Speaker 4>just it was really refreshing and that was really nice.

0:50:05.280 --> 0:50:10.000
<v Speaker 4>And it don't like a it blasts you back into reminiscing,

0:50:10.640 --> 0:50:13.320
<v Speaker 4>but it also is like quite accurate of what teens

0:50:13.320 --> 0:50:16.680
<v Speaker 4>are still like today as well. Yeah, like it's still

0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:18.960
<v Speaker 4>it managed to I mean, I don't know mine, my

0:50:20.120 --> 0:50:22.960
<v Speaker 4>my nostalgia only goes not that far back, but yeah,

0:50:22.960 --> 0:50:25.160
<v Speaker 4>I think it managed to balance that well. And I

0:50:25.200 --> 0:50:26.920
<v Speaker 4>don't know if you feel like the best piece of

0:50:26.960 --> 0:50:30.200
<v Speaker 4>advice I ever got for things I'm writing is trust

0:50:30.239 --> 0:50:32.160
<v Speaker 4>that your audience are going to be as intelligent as

0:50:32.200 --> 0:50:35.759
<v Speaker 4>you are. Like once you kind of let go of like,

0:50:35.840 --> 0:50:37.680
<v Speaker 4>oh well, we have to explain this to the audio.

0:50:37.840 --> 0:50:39.719
<v Speaker 4>You need to give them some exposition. They're funck, They're

0:50:39.760 --> 0:50:41.040
<v Speaker 4>not gonna understand if we don't, so then you have

0:50:41.120 --> 0:50:44.640
<v Speaker 4>to take all this time to like justify the story

0:50:44.800 --> 0:50:47.480
<v Speaker 4>and it it's in a lot of cases I think

0:50:47.520 --> 0:50:50.759
<v Speaker 4>sometimes it's helpful, like, for example, in this play, the

0:50:50.800 --> 0:50:53.359
<v Speaker 4>exposition is very helpful that we're doing because it needs

0:50:53.520 --> 0:50:56.800
<v Speaker 4>for the story. But obviously that's a very different comparison.

0:50:56.920 --> 0:50:59.680
<v Speaker 4>But when you're doing something like this, they don't need

0:50:59.760 --> 0:51:02.200
<v Speaker 4>to know. We're smart enough that we'll go, okay, well,

0:51:02.239 --> 0:51:04.480
<v Speaker 4>it's probably because of this. Okay, it's probably because of this,

0:51:04.920 --> 0:51:06.600
<v Speaker 4>And that's just like, I don't know, that was the

0:51:06.640 --> 0:51:09.759
<v Speaker 4>best advice I've ever got when writing. It's like the

0:51:09.880 --> 0:51:12.320
<v Speaker 4>producer might go, hang on, well, no, but this doesn't

0:51:12.320 --> 0:51:15.319
<v Speaker 4>make sense, and it doesn't. If you just use your

0:51:15.480 --> 0:51:18.200
<v Speaker 4>logical thinking, you will probably come to a conclusion that

0:51:18.480 --> 0:51:20.280
<v Speaker 4>it might not be the answer. But isn't that exciting?

0:51:21.160 --> 0:51:22.880
<v Speaker 4>Isn't it exciting that you're allowed to come into this

0:51:22.960 --> 0:51:24.759
<v Speaker 4>a little bit. You don't know where her mum is,

0:51:24.840 --> 0:51:26.719
<v Speaker 4>you don't know where the dad ends up, you don't

0:51:26.719 --> 0:51:29.439
<v Speaker 4>know if she has If it gets much worse before

0:51:29.440 --> 0:51:31.200
<v Speaker 4>it gets better again, you know, like this is just

0:51:31.280 --> 0:51:33.400
<v Speaker 4>a tiny blip and it's up to you to then

0:51:34.280 --> 0:51:36.680
<v Speaker 4>continue to mull over what that makes you feel. But

0:51:37.200 --> 0:51:40.399
<v Speaker 4>if it's all kind of really played out, and lots

0:51:40.440 --> 0:51:42.640
<v Speaker 4>of times when something really horrific happens, you kind of

0:51:42.719 --> 0:51:45.440
<v Speaker 4>just then get stuck on that and it's not even

0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:49.160
<v Speaker 4>then about the story or what has evolved and what

0:51:49.320 --> 0:51:51.439
<v Speaker 4>this person has made you feel, or all her little

0:51:51.480 --> 0:51:53.920
<v Speaker 4>tiny little arms and ahs, you know.

0:51:54.719 --> 0:51:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, they remind me that the body language that

0:51:59.320 --> 0:52:01.120
<v Speaker 1>Elsie gives, that the hunts.

0:52:00.960 --> 0:52:04.360
<v Speaker 4>Just even the shoulders and the arm kind of.

0:52:04.480 --> 0:52:06.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, across her body, you know, and holding the

0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:10.040
<v Speaker 1>other arm and scratching. You know, it is such so good.

0:52:10.080 --> 0:52:13.440
<v Speaker 1>And I also loved again not an obvious choice, like

0:52:13.520 --> 0:52:18.080
<v Speaker 1>when when she had the shadow day at the high

0:52:18.120 --> 0:52:22.000
<v Speaker 1>school and she met Olivia, who was.

0:52:22.040 --> 0:52:24.600
<v Speaker 4>Kind of like her but popular. Yeah, like she was

0:52:24.680 --> 0:52:25.520
<v Speaker 4>awkward and.

0:52:25.719 --> 0:52:28.080
<v Speaker 1>Was like immediately lovely, and you're kind of thought, Okay,

0:52:28.280 --> 0:52:29.960
<v Speaker 1>she's going to let her down at some point, and

0:52:30.080 --> 0:52:32.799
<v Speaker 1>she calls her that night, and you know, she does

0:52:32.880 --> 0:52:36.120
<v Speaker 1>them all and then and and it's like the obvious

0:52:36.160 --> 0:52:38.319
<v Speaker 1>thing is to kind of have her let her down.

0:52:38.400 --> 0:52:41.759
<v Speaker 1>Like I was almost waiting for Elsie to overhear a

0:52:41.800 --> 0:52:43.520
<v Speaker 1>conversation where they're having a go with her, you know,

0:52:43.520 --> 0:52:45.520
<v Speaker 1>when they're bagging her, you know, well, have you bought

0:52:45.600 --> 0:52:48.759
<v Speaker 1>this girl? And you know, and and and be let

0:52:48.800 --> 0:52:50.600
<v Speaker 1>down by that. But Olivia doesn't let her down.

0:52:50.680 --> 0:52:52.719
<v Speaker 4>And I think that's also the nice thing maybe, or

0:52:52.880 --> 0:52:54.920
<v Speaker 4>what I really do appreciate about this is it's like

0:52:55.800 --> 0:52:59.960
<v Speaker 4>a her faux confidence, but also her disdain towards herself

0:53:00.160 --> 0:53:02.640
<v Speaker 4>is so personal, like no one is. And I think

0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:04.480
<v Speaker 4>that's the thing, right, It's like, no one is actually

0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:07.279
<v Speaker 4>thinking about you that much, No one cares that much,

0:53:07.960 --> 0:53:10.879
<v Speaker 4>Like you're just the nice ninth grader that they've got,

0:53:10.960 --> 0:53:13.520
<v Speaker 4>come on along, who's a bit shy. No one is

0:53:13.560 --> 0:53:16.640
<v Speaker 4>thinking about eat any more than that. And that was

0:53:16.680 --> 0:53:20.160
<v Speaker 4>really refreshing too. It's not like this completely ostracized for

0:53:20.280 --> 0:53:22.560
<v Speaker 4>being a weirdo. It's just like, yeah, if you don't

0:53:22.600 --> 0:53:24.560
<v Speaker 4>speak in class, and then if you do, something will

0:53:24.600 --> 0:53:27.040
<v Speaker 4>happen and you don't. Yeah, it was good. It was

0:53:27.040 --> 0:53:28.800
<v Speaker 4>a good movie. It was really it was nice and

0:53:28.880 --> 0:53:31.960
<v Speaker 4>refreshing to watch this morning gave me a good like

0:53:32.680 --> 0:53:33.680
<v Speaker 4>pep and it was.

0:53:33.800 --> 0:53:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:53:34.080 --> 0:53:37.440
<v Speaker 4>It was nice and light but also tackled I think,

0:53:38.719 --> 0:53:41.040
<v Speaker 4>checking in with yourself and your confidence and anxiety.

0:53:41.440 --> 0:53:45.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's funny. It had you know, the performances. You know,

0:53:45.920 --> 0:53:48.400
<v Speaker 1>she's so good, no good, I can't like it. I

0:53:48.560 --> 0:53:52.040
<v Speaker 1>really believe it's in the ask a worthy performance, and

0:53:52.160 --> 0:53:54.759
<v Speaker 1>then you have I mean, let's let's play when we

0:53:54.960 --> 0:53:57.359
<v Speaker 1>first meet Gabe. No, this is not when we first

0:53:57.400 --> 0:53:59.399
<v Speaker 1>meet Gabe. I don't think this is I think when

0:54:00.360 --> 0:54:01.920
<v Speaker 1>the date he goes.

0:54:04.280 --> 0:54:07.480
<v Speaker 4>Has the fish fingers and then every single source provided

0:54:07.600 --> 0:54:11.120
<v Speaker 4>and oh what is that looking at? Oh? Yes, well actually,

0:54:11.600 --> 0:54:13.919
<v Speaker 4>and that was even lovely too, because it's like those

0:54:14.000 --> 0:54:16.200
<v Speaker 4>two boys, like the one she initially has a crush

0:54:16.280 --> 0:54:22.400
<v Speaker 4>on seeing with his fucking gum oh my god, like

0:54:24.160 --> 0:54:28.960
<v Speaker 4>monkeys anyways, but even human gay being the same mate,

0:54:28.960 --> 0:54:30.840
<v Speaker 4>and that's totally just like it's such a fun like

0:54:30.920 --> 0:54:34.120
<v Speaker 4>the tween area is so funny, right, and almost like

0:54:34.200 --> 0:54:36.000
<v Speaker 4>being a young girl is funny too, because you are

0:54:36.120 --> 0:54:39.040
<v Speaker 4>desired by this bizarre older boy who wants you to

0:54:39.120 --> 0:54:40.440
<v Speaker 4>take his shirt off in the back of his car,

0:54:40.960 --> 0:54:43.040
<v Speaker 4>and you also have a crush on this person who's

0:54:43.040 --> 0:54:45.640
<v Speaker 4>like laid out identical fish fingers and does arm Marie,

0:54:45.719 --> 0:54:49.439
<v Speaker 4>but actually think its pretty stupid, Like it's just yeah,

0:54:49.640 --> 0:54:52.120
<v Speaker 4>it's those those two things can exist at once, and

0:54:52.239 --> 0:54:56.320
<v Speaker 4>she can feel both comfortable and uncomfortable in both circumstances,

0:54:56.360 --> 0:55:00.080
<v Speaker 4>and she tries to fit in and establish her place, and.

0:55:00.120 --> 0:55:02.839
<v Speaker 1>Also like during this date, they kind of they kind

0:55:02.880 --> 0:55:05.120
<v Speaker 1>of say, this is we're hanging out as friends, you know,

0:55:05.239 --> 0:55:08.000
<v Speaker 1>like just to have that we don't we don't know again,

0:55:08.040 --> 0:55:10.279
<v Speaker 1>we don't know if down the track and my turning

0:55:10.320 --> 0:55:13.400
<v Speaker 1>to something something else, but let's have a listened to

0:55:13.480 --> 0:55:15.320
<v Speaker 1>Gabe and Kayla.

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<v Speaker 2>I've I've seen some of your videos. Oh those are

0:55:19.719 --> 0:55:20.080
<v Speaker 2>really dumb.

0:55:20.160 --> 0:55:22.000
<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, no, they're actually really cool.

0:55:22.120 --> 0:55:26.040
<v Speaker 2>I love those videos. You're really you're really smart.

0:55:25.719 --> 0:55:29.080
<v Speaker 3>About stuff, like you know a lot of things. Thanks.

0:55:29.920 --> 0:55:31.960
<v Speaker 4>I was thinking you should maybe you can maybe have

0:55:32.040 --> 0:55:33.200
<v Speaker 4>like your own talk show or something.

0:55:34.480 --> 0:55:39.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it might be weird that all you like.

0:55:40.400 --> 0:55:42.800
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, okay, good, I'm just nervous.

0:55:42.920 --> 0:55:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, no, it's fine. I am yeah. Yeah, am

0:55:51.480 --> 0:55:54.719
<v Speaker 2>I being like quiet or okay.

0:55:55.880 --> 0:55:57.879
<v Speaker 6>You've been pretty talkative, but not in like an annoying way,

0:55:58.040 --> 0:55:59.600
<v Speaker 6>just just responding to me here.

0:56:00.400 --> 0:56:03.879
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this is a this is a good conversation, don't

0:56:03.920 --> 0:56:04.200
<v Speaker 4>you think.

0:56:04.480 --> 0:56:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're doing some good talking. Yeah, it's a nice chat.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it's it's so good. It's funny stuff

0:56:19.360 --> 0:56:22.200
<v Speaker 1>all the way. Even when they the fact that when

0:56:23.000 --> 0:56:26.160
<v Speaker 1>she finally approaches Gabe it's done during you know, basically

0:56:26.239 --> 0:56:28.880
<v Speaker 1>a shooting drill that we mentioned earlier, like having that

0:56:29.000 --> 0:56:31.520
<v Speaker 1>in there, This is great, I think. And then her

0:56:31.880 --> 0:56:34.600
<v Speaker 1>with the banana stuff, are like eating the banana and

0:56:35.960 --> 0:56:37.040
<v Speaker 1>then she like, I just.

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<v Speaker 4>Remember and I'm sure your kids have done this to

0:56:38.800 --> 0:56:40.760
<v Speaker 4>you too, like we're obviously doing something that we shouldn't

0:56:40.840 --> 0:56:42.680
<v Speaker 4>or like we're embarrassed about something, and then we'll just

0:56:43.000 --> 0:56:45.239
<v Speaker 4>lash it out on you, like it's all your fault

0:56:45.320 --> 0:56:47.920
<v Speaker 4>just to find out I don't like banana, drink me,

0:56:48.000 --> 0:56:48.279
<v Speaker 4>eat it.

0:56:49.800 --> 0:56:50.480
<v Speaker 2>I did it.

0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:55.000
<v Speaker 4>I've done that so many times, or coming in and

0:56:55.080 --> 0:56:55.640
<v Speaker 4>Mum will.

0:56:55.600 --> 0:56:59.520
<v Speaker 1>Be like, oh, fine, right, so you hate me? Is

0:56:59.560 --> 0:56:59.920
<v Speaker 1>that right?

0:57:00.760 --> 0:57:01.000
<v Speaker 3>Cool?

0:57:02.040 --> 0:57:06.160
<v Speaker 1>And then the she's like a list of a list

0:57:06.239 --> 0:57:09.520
<v Speaker 1>of things that she wants, you know, she wants to

0:57:09.560 --> 0:57:14.359
<v Speaker 1>get a you know, a friend, a friend and a boyfriend. Yes, yeah,

0:57:14.840 --> 0:57:17.400
<v Speaker 1>all you want. And you know, I'm not sure if

0:57:17.400 --> 0:57:20.360
<v Speaker 1>I had exactly that list. Do stuff like that, and

0:57:20.560 --> 0:57:22.800
<v Speaker 1>certainly rehearse conversations before you jump on.

0:57:22.800 --> 0:57:24.760
<v Speaker 4>The phone, yeah, and that, like or we're just saying

0:57:24.800 --> 0:57:26.400
<v Speaker 4>the bits that you want to say, like that, when

0:57:26.440 --> 0:57:28.680
<v Speaker 4>she's in the she's I think she's in the bathroom

0:57:28.720 --> 0:57:29.960
<v Speaker 4>and she's just going up and forth and back and

0:57:30.040 --> 0:57:32.080
<v Speaker 4>forth and back and forth, but only kind of half

0:57:32.120 --> 0:57:35.480
<v Speaker 4>saying or then getting embarrassed and restarting it. Like I

0:57:35.560 --> 0:57:36.840
<v Speaker 4>remember all of that so much.

0:57:37.640 --> 0:57:40.840
<v Speaker 1>It is nice as she finally does get to take

0:57:40.920 --> 0:57:42.880
<v Speaker 1>out her aggression, we talk about the you know, the

0:57:43.400 --> 0:57:47.960
<v Speaker 1>aggression she maybe but then she finally has, you know,

0:57:48.000 --> 0:57:50.840
<v Speaker 1>on graduation day she goes up to the two girls

0:57:50.920 --> 0:57:55.200
<v Speaker 1>who Kennedy and the other girl, and and she does

0:57:55.280 --> 0:57:58.160
<v Speaker 1>have a bit of a government. Let's go and listen

0:57:58.160 --> 0:57:58.320
<v Speaker 1>to this.

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<v Speaker 8>Hey, I wrote you that letter thanking you for inviting

0:58:03.760 --> 0:58:05.720
<v Speaker 8>me to your birthday party, and you didn't write back

0:58:05.800 --> 0:58:06.160
<v Speaker 8>or anything.

0:58:06.200 --> 0:58:07.520
<v Speaker 4>I didn't even get a DM on like.

0:58:07.560 --> 0:58:08.439
<v Speaker 5>Instagram or whatever.

0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:11.320
<v Speaker 8>And you know what, You're always mean to me, and

0:58:11.320 --> 0:58:13.840
<v Speaker 8>I'm always nice to you, and being mean isn't nice.

0:58:13.960 --> 0:58:16.040
<v Speaker 8>And when someone does something nice to you, you're supposed

0:58:16.040 --> 0:58:17.680
<v Speaker 8>to be nice back. And you're always mean to me.

0:58:17.760 --> 0:58:19.680
<v Speaker 8>And I know I'm like a good person because I'm

0:58:19.680 --> 0:58:22.080
<v Speaker 8>always nice to you and you're just And also that

0:58:22.240 --> 0:58:23.840
<v Speaker 8>card game I got you is like a really fun

0:58:23.960 --> 0:58:25.720
<v Speaker 8>version of go fish or whatever, and you'd actually know

0:58:25.800 --> 0:58:27.640
<v Speaker 8>if you played it instead of trying to be cool

0:58:27.680 --> 0:58:30.960
<v Speaker 8>all the time. I don't know, it's it's like dumb

0:58:31.080 --> 0:58:33.280
<v Speaker 8>or whatever, but you know it's dumb in a way

0:58:33.320 --> 0:58:35.320
<v Speaker 8>that's fun to play when it's raining outside, and you

0:58:35.400 --> 0:58:36.920
<v Speaker 8>know that if you stop trying to be cool all

0:58:36.920 --> 0:58:37.200
<v Speaker 8>the time.

0:58:39.120 --> 0:58:43.200
<v Speaker 1>Again, it's not like a it's name Mark drop moment,

0:58:43.480 --> 0:58:46.680
<v Speaker 1>but it's at least her standing up for a phon.

0:58:46.800 --> 0:58:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:58:47.600 --> 0:58:51.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and there is something. I found the dialogue difficult

0:58:51.600 --> 0:58:54.480
<v Speaker 4>at times, but that's just because I think in I

0:58:54.640 --> 0:58:57.200
<v Speaker 4>just am okay, yeah, we get it, but we need

0:58:57.320 --> 0:59:00.360
<v Speaker 4>more words. Now, please use more words. But at that point,

0:59:00.480 --> 0:59:03.080
<v Speaker 4>like you just do because you've like you've fallen into

0:59:03.120 --> 0:59:05.360
<v Speaker 4>her language. You know that she doesn't actually ever say

0:59:05.400 --> 0:59:07.200
<v Speaker 4>what she means, and so you've got to read in

0:59:07.240 --> 0:59:10.280
<v Speaker 4>between the lines of like her little insecure moments, and

0:59:10.440 --> 0:59:12.800
<v Speaker 4>that's then when you figure out actually how she's gauging it.

0:59:13.040 --> 0:59:15.320
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, she just.

0:59:15.400 --> 0:59:18.160
<v Speaker 4>Played that like I just just wanted to give her

0:59:18.160 --> 0:59:20.600
<v Speaker 4>a hugged the whole time. I just wanted to be like,

0:59:21.080 --> 0:59:23.840
<v Speaker 4>come on, beb, like it's gonna be okay, like let's

0:59:23.880 --> 0:59:24.720
<v Speaker 4>get this together.

0:59:25.800 --> 0:59:27.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm the same way, and I think everyone who watches

0:59:27.560 --> 0:59:29.880
<v Speaker 1>this film you just want her to win. So badly

0:59:29.920 --> 0:59:33.680
<v Speaker 1>because when you're you're a parent, like when you send

0:59:33.720 --> 0:59:36.920
<v Speaker 1>your kids off the school, like it is you literally

0:59:36.960 --> 0:59:39.800
<v Speaker 1>have seen them. Like first you start with kindergarten and this, yeah,

0:59:39.840 --> 0:59:42.800
<v Speaker 1>that's its own thing, and you are just pushing these

0:59:42.880 --> 0:59:45.360
<v Speaker 1>kids into you know, who seem way too young, and

0:59:45.520 --> 0:59:47.560
<v Speaker 1>it's not that you are literally watching them walk into

0:59:47.640 --> 0:59:50.600
<v Speaker 1>the world, yeah, you know, and you're watching them through

0:59:50.640 --> 0:59:53.280
<v Speaker 1>the you know, the the cyclone fencing and staying there

0:59:53.320 --> 0:59:55.520
<v Speaker 1>for longer than you need to. And and then you

0:59:55.600 --> 0:59:57.840
<v Speaker 1>send them to school where you feel that there's more

0:59:58.440 --> 0:59:59.280
<v Speaker 1>danger potentially.

0:59:59.560 --> 1:00:03.800
<v Speaker 4>Literally it's like it's so specific, like who picks who's

1:00:03.840 --> 1:00:06.160
<v Speaker 4>the kill? Like what's cool for that? Like, and it's

1:00:06.240 --> 1:00:08.160
<v Speaker 4>nothing you as a parent can do because it's just

1:00:08.240 --> 1:00:09.840
<v Speaker 4>like you've just raised your child for them to be

1:00:09.960 --> 1:00:13.080
<v Speaker 4>themselves right and to like love who that person is,

1:00:13.160 --> 1:00:16.240
<v Speaker 4>and then immediately there's a huge chance they'll be ostracized

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<v Speaker 4>for that. Yeah, so then how do.

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<v Speaker 1>You Yeah, one of our kids, he was my oldest kid,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he's twenty two now and he's got great

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of mates. But it took him a while in

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<v Speaker 1>prep to find you know, his mate, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was really kind of you know, like just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it took us a while to maybe to realize that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he's doesn't seem to be finding his mates yet,

1:00:40.880 --> 1:00:43.600
<v Speaker 1>and there's a small, very small window of a time

1:00:43.600 --> 1:00:45.280
<v Speaker 1>where we thought he might have been being bullied, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like, it's just no other feeling I've had

1:00:49.520 --> 1:00:54.680
<v Speaker 1>is he feel so hopeless and helpless and it's an awful,

1:00:54.760 --> 1:00:58.600
<v Speaker 1>awful feeling. And I'm so relieved that my three boys

1:00:58.640 --> 1:01:02.960
<v Speaker 1>have found great friendship groups, but that feeling stays with me.

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<v Speaker 1>So when we get to this scene with the dad,

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<v Speaker 1>I just lost it. I just was for all my

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<v Speaker 1>own experiences with kids, all the feelings I had, the

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<v Speaker 1>hopes that I had for them, and I.

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<v Speaker 4>Just also loved that it's set up, sorry to interrupt,

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<v Speaker 4>when she they're at the bonfire and he's like, what

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<v Speaker 4>are you burning, She's like, oh, just all my hopes.

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<v Speaker 1>And dreams, hopes and dreams because it's it's this uh

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<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, so it's but it's a what do

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<v Speaker 1>you call a time capsule. Yeah, the releasing and it's

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<v Speaker 1>in the shoe box and it's got the Coolest Girl

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<v Speaker 1>in the World written on, which I just fucking love

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<v Speaker 1>like that's exactly what she wants to be, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a message to her future self.

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<v Speaker 4>And and then even that, her next time capsule was

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<v Speaker 4>more like, are you this But it's okay if not, Like,

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<v Speaker 4>it's okay if you don't.

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<v Speaker 1>But she also has the coolest girl in the world

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<v Speaker 1>just done the same thing. So it's her owning it,

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<v Speaker 1>which is really cool. Yeah, I really love it. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's have a listen. We gonn play this in two parts?

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<v Speaker 1>This is this is It's got me. I just for

1:02:02.440 --> 1:02:05.920
<v Speaker 1>are you poor? Thing? Like like this is where Kayla is.

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<v Speaker 4>So this is what she's talking about, my child devastating.

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<v Speaker 2>Do I make you sad? What?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>No, not at all, not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do I seem sad?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 8>What?

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<v Speaker 1>Why would you think you make me sad?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just it's just.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes, you know, I think that when I'm older, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe i'll have a daughter on my own or something.

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<v Speaker 2>And I feel like, you know, if she was like me,

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<v Speaker 2>then being her mom would make me sad all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>because like, you know, i'd love her because she's my daughter,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 6>But I don't know, I just.

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<v Speaker 2>I think if she turned out like me, that being

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<v Speaker 2>her mom would make me really sad.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that that's that's devastating. That here that she has

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<v Speaker 1>thought about becoming a parent and having herself as her

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<v Speaker 1>daughter and how she would view herself as as a

1:03:33.760 --> 1:03:36.520
<v Speaker 1>mom might like that, you, I guess when you you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you want your kids, of course to be popular and

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<v Speaker 1>to be a version of their uncool whatever that might be.

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<v Speaker 1>And you want them to be good at sport and

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<v Speaker 1>good at music and good reader. You have this like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you know these made up listening to your

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<v Speaker 1>own head of because you just want your kids to

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<v Speaker 1>have options and to be confident and and and I

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<v Speaker 1>guess she's seeing herself and as as almost none of

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<v Speaker 1>those things.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but I guess it's also that thing of like

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<v Speaker 4>the thing that is so important to her at that time,

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<v Speaker 4>his popularity where it's like you've become an adult and

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<v Speaker 4>go well, like even as the dad said, he says,

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<v Speaker 4>like all of your teachers think you're a wonderful person.

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<v Speaker 4>Like like again, it's that actually realizing that, yeah, being

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<v Speaker 4>a good person is more important than being popular.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, well liked yeah, well, which is absolutely true.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the response and it's it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 1>scene that goes for six or seven minutes, so obviously

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<v Speaker 1>we can't play play over. But this, this scene is

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<v Speaker 1>why I love movies. I think like this, having moments

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<v Speaker 1>and and things reflected that are universal, that her heartfelt.

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<v Speaker 1>But you've never seen it done like this before. The

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<v Speaker 1>performances by again, we're sweying so much about Elsie Fisher,

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<v Speaker 1>but the performance by Josh Hamillon, who I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen him before, and I haven't seen him since.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure he's been a heap of stuff, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>just it's so grounded and true. And this is his

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<v Speaker 1>response to Kayla.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you made me brave?

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<v Speaker 1>And if you could just see yourself how I see you,

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<v Speaker 1>which is how you are, how you really are, how

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<v Speaker 1>you always have been.

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<v Speaker 2>I swear to God you wouldn't be scared either.

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<v Speaker 1>So what I love about it is he finally gets

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<v Speaker 1>to say what he wants and it comes out right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it comes out kind of pretty perfect exactly. And when

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<v Speaker 1>she said, when she then gets up and basically jumps

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<v Speaker 1>on him into his arms, that's when I just it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like finally, because there are you know, I remember

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<v Speaker 1>you know, around this time, my boys they all went

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<v Speaker 1>through the same thing where they kind of disappeared, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like not completely speit obviously, but they became these grumpy

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<v Speaker 1>a versions. You know, they kind of spoke to their

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to their chests, you know, and and we

1:06:01.560 --> 1:06:03.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, I remember somebody's saying who had kids a

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<v Speaker 1>bit older the mind that you just have to be

1:06:06.320 --> 1:06:08.840
<v Speaker 1>there for them and love them and support them because

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<v Speaker 1>they're literally their brains that are not connected yet, Like

1:06:12.240 --> 1:06:14.480
<v Speaker 1>there's the frontal lobe in the backward logan, they're not

1:06:14.640 --> 1:06:16.600
<v Speaker 1>there's there's this mushy bit in the middle, and their

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<v Speaker 1>brains are a bit.

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<v Speaker 4>Mushy, and they're not they don't have that life experience yet.

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<v Speaker 4>So everything is so selfish and personal and direct, like

1:06:23.680 --> 1:06:28.439
<v Speaker 4>there's no greater world kind of nuance in like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>their their privilege or their you know what actually like

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<v Speaker 4>is the life they're living compared to how the rest

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<v Speaker 4>of them, Like it's just so all about me. Woe

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<v Speaker 4>is me? This is happening to me?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I remember my oldest spoiled lamb, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>he went through this stage because it was the first

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<v Speaker 1>time he you know, our first child and see them

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<v Speaker 1>go through this period of their lives, you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>a bit more worried. And and he had allergies and

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<v Speaker 1>asthma and all these other things on top of that,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're like, Hobe, he's okay. And and and then

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<v Speaker 1>one day this bounded down the stairs, like it's a

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<v Speaker 1>different person.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's like, oh, it's trusting that, Like it's I

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<v Speaker 4>guess it's just that giving them the space to grow.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, you've taught the tools young and they

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<v Speaker 4>then use those tools.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. Absolutely, some quick fun facts before we wrap this up,

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<v Speaker 1>because we've got a play to dude, damn.

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<v Speaker 4>It, we're to entertain We've got a player down.

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<v Speaker 1>A play to do. The original working title was the

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<v Speaker 1>Coolest Girl in the World. That was the original title

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<v Speaker 1>for the film. Initially in the script, they had Kaylee

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<v Speaker 1>using Facebook to kind of connect with people, but Elsie said,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody uses Facebook, so they changed it to Instagram and snapchat.

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<v Speaker 1>They wanted to. They approached Apple to provide phones for them,

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<v Speaker 1>but Apple have a rule where you probably know this

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<v Speaker 1>because you've created the series and made stuff, but you

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<v Speaker 1>basically can't break Apple products in your in your production.

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<v Speaker 1>And he wanted the smash phone, so so they used

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<v Speaker 1>to use cruise iPads and and so that's how they

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<v Speaker 1>did that. And Elsie Fisher finally made this movie and

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<v Speaker 1>then or did for her high school play and missed out.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting it. So if you listening to this and

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<v Speaker 1>you don't get that job where you don't get that part,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're an actor, don't worry.

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't stress.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't stress about it. The next one is around the corner,

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<v Speaker 1>Olivia Debel, It's been an absolute joy. Thanks for having

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<v Speaker 1>me my pleasure. I didn't I meant to mention this

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<v Speaker 1>in the In the train you referred to your your

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<v Speaker 1>mum a couple of times, but you come from an

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<v Speaker 1>acting dynasty. I've worked with your think grandmother and she

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<v Speaker 1>reminded you in the she was on an episode of

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<v Speaker 1>it today. She was a fantastic Your mom's amazing, but

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<v Speaker 1>you're I told you this a.

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<v Speaker 4>While ago in prisone rehearsing in Brisbane.

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<v Speaker 1>Your grandfather is an absolute icon. Reg Gorman was in

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<v Speaker 1>The Sullivans and which is almost like the first TV

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<v Speaker 1>show I remember watching, and he what a legend he was.

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<v Speaker 1>I know he passed it a few years ago, but

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<v Speaker 1>he knowed that he would have had a big influence.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, oh huge, huge. I remember once he had this

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<v Speaker 4>because he was like, he's kind of one of the

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<v Speaker 4>last people to do that Vaudevillion slapstick kind of live.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean for a little bit. Obviously we were working

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<v Speaker 4>with Colin Lane for God's sake, but he had this

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<v Speaker 4>like stand up called hanging On to Vaudeville, and I remember,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't remember the story gets told to me that

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<v Speaker 4>like he asked someone to come up and at three

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<v Speaker 4>years old, I ran up onto the stage and then

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<v Speaker 4>did patter with him. So it's run deep for a

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<v Speaker 4>long time.

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<v Speaker 1>And you are playing it all out now exactly actually right,

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<v Speaker 1>you're absolutely killing it. And congratulations on you getting a

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<v Speaker 1>series more than this on Paramount. Plus it's making stuff

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<v Speaker 1>as much as there's a lot of you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>I remember when all the streaming services coming coming in,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone was like, oh great, there's gonna be so much opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes up it's still so hard to make stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh that's almost harder. Someone say, yeah, most harder.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think that's true. So congratulations, and like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, congratulations on your role in Peed and A

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<v Speaker 1>Star Catcher. And we've still got three more cities to

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<v Speaker 1>get to, Adelaide, Sydney and Brisbane coming to you in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five. Get your tickets now. Olivia Devil, Gucci, Gucci.

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<v Speaker 1>There you have it, Olivia Deevil, fantastic young actor, creator

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<v Speaker 1>and having a ball working with her on Peter and

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<v Speaker 1>a Star Catcher. And like I said in the chat,

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<v Speaker 1>you can catch her series more than this on Paramount Plus. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>my kids were very excited when I told him that

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<v Speaker 1>Olivia was in peed in the Star Catch and I

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<v Speaker 1>was working with her because I got big little lunch fans,

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<v Speaker 1>and my sister still loves Home and Away and she

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty excited about raf or Raffi being on the

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<v Speaker 1>show as well. So she's been a real joy to

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<v Speaker 1>work with. The very talented woman. I loved eighth Grade,

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<v Speaker 1>I really and this kind of falls I think this

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<v Speaker 1>episode falls in. You could argue is it a classic?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it beloved? I don't know, but I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a film that people should see. So if you have kids,

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<v Speaker 1>I think watch it with your kids. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's an important film to be honest, It's

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<v Speaker 1>actually was r rated for reasons that I don't completely

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<v Speaker 1>understand in America, but some cinemas were allowing parents to

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<v Speaker 1>bring their kids because they believe that it was an

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<v Speaker 1>important film for parents to watch with their kids. So

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<v Speaker 1>do check it out. It is available on Netflix. Eighth

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<v Speaker 1>grade by Bo Burnham. Thank you for everyone obviously listening.

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<v Speaker 1>As always, you can support the podcast by giving a

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<v Speaker 1>review on iTunes. I recommend five stars as well. It

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<v Speaker 1>keeps the algorithm moving in the right direction. Next on

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<v Speaker 1>the show, another very talented woman. I've worked with her

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<v Speaker 1>a lot behind the scenes. She's a great writer. I

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<v Speaker 1>met her when I was in the project. Always wrote

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<v Speaker 1>great stuff. She's also worked on the weekly with Charlie Pickering.

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<v Speaker 1>Maggie Look will be joining us next week. I really

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<v Speaker 1>love Maggie. She's great. She's the partner of Ben Russell.

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<v Speaker 1>They are fantastic and they often do improvisation stuff together.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's a comedian, she's a writer, an actress. She's

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<v Speaker 1>just great. And we're gonna be going deep next week,

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<v Speaker 1>deep and mysterious and weird and bizarre. We are doing

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<v Speaker 1>David Lynch's My holand Drive, My holand Drive. Starting her

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<v Speaker 1>very own Naomi watts. That'll be next week and you

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<v Speaker 1>ain't see nothing yet until then. Back an out and

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<v Speaker 1>so we leave all Pete save Van sal And to

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<v Speaker 1>our friends of the radio audience, we've the pleasant, good time.