Speaker 1: You a pete. Hell are you here? Welcome to you
Speaker 1: Ain't seen nothing yet? The movie podcast where our chat
Speaker 1: to a movie lover about a classic or beloved movie
Speaker 1: they haven't quite got around to watching until now. And
Speaker 1: today's guest actor, writer creator Olivia Diebel.
Speaker 2: All below. I want to stay here with you.
Speaker 3: He the jobble, I hate snake shucked, I hail you
Speaker 3: have an right so you ain't seen nothing.
Speaker 1: You looking forward to today's episode. Olivia Deebel is an
Speaker 1: astonishing young woman currently co starring with her in Peter
Speaker 1: and the Star Catcher, a Broadway hit, five Tony Awards,
Speaker 1: Yes where Tony Award winners and whatever. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: that how that works. And it is playing in Australia
Speaker 1: at the moment. It's a Peter pan origin story. Olivia
Speaker 1: plays Molly who may or may not be related to
Speaker 1: Wendy who knows. Come and find out. But it has
Speaker 1: been so much fun getting to know and working alongside Olivia.
Speaker 1: She is such a talented actor and she's absolutely killing
Speaker 1: it alongside Otis Danji, who plays boy who may or
Speaker 1: may not become Peter Panty does. Olivia is got many,
Speaker 1: many many fans, including some of my kids and my
Speaker 1: sister through Little Lunch, where she played Tomorrow Noodles, Tomorrow
Speaker 1: Noodles or Tomorrow Noodle. Weirdly, I almost directed episodes of
Speaker 1: a Little Lunch, but I was asked to by Wayne
Speaker 1: Hope and Robin Butler, who created a Little Lunch. I
Speaker 1: couldn't do it because I was doing the project. But
Speaker 1: that's just a weird little symmetry. And Home and Away
Speaker 1: fans know Olivia Deebel. She played Rappie on Home and Away.
Speaker 1: Was a big sensation on Home and Away. Won the
Speaker 1: Kid's Choice Award in twenty eighteen for Favorite Rising Stars.
Speaker 1: She got slimed as well. She's worked with Disney on
Speaker 1: the Secret Society of second Born Royals. She co created
Speaker 1: and wrote and starred in a series called More Than This,
Speaker 1: which she's shot during the pandemic and it's on Paramount Plus.
Speaker 1: Checked that out More Than This on Paramount Plus. You
Speaker 1: see Olivia with all her talents. She's in a horror movie.
Speaker 1: This Yek got Carnige for Christmas. She's doing a lot,
Speaker 1: and she's going to do a lot more. Come and
Speaker 1: see her live with Peter and a Star Catcher. She's
Speaker 1: absolutely killing it. Olivia is fun, funny, talented and bloody
Speaker 1: creative and on bloody stokes to be hanging with her.
Speaker 4: To that, Hello, my name is Olivia Diebel, and my
Speaker 4: three favorite films are The Lobster.
Speaker 2: Now. The fact that you're into an animal if you
Speaker 2: fail to fall in love with someone doing your stay
Speaker 2: here is not something that should upset you or get
Speaker 2: you down.
Speaker 4: The Three Billboards outside of Ebbing, Missouri.
Speaker 3: I don't think those billboards is very fair.
Speaker 1: The time it took you to get out of here,
Speaker 1: whining like a bitch willoughby some other poor girls probably
Speaker 1: out there being butchered right now.
Speaker 4: But I'm glad you got your priorities straight. And the Birdcage.
Speaker 3: Madonna, Madonna, Madonna, but you keep it all inside.
Speaker 4: And up until this morning, I had never seen the
Speaker 4: film Eighth Grade How to Be Confident.
Speaker 5: So I think one thing a lot of people think
Speaker 5: about confidence is that, like you know, you're born with it.
Speaker 5: You either are confident or you're not. You know, just
Speaker 5: like how some people are tall, you're either tall or short.
Speaker 4: But it's not like that.
Speaker 5: Actually, confidence is a choice. Only awesome thing about confidence
Speaker 5: is that you can just start acting like it, even
Speaker 5: if you feel like you don't have any For example,
Speaker 5: I used to like not be confident at all, but
Speaker 5: then one day I'm like, hmm, I want to be confident.
Speaker 5: So then I just kind of started acting like it,
Speaker 5: and then it made me feel good, and then I
Speaker 5: actually started being confident, like without trying. And like, a
Speaker 5: big part of being confident is being brave, and you
Speaker 5: can't be brave unless you're scared. So for those of
Speaker 5: you who are feeling scared about being confident, it's actually
Speaker 5: a big part of confidence to be scared, and that's
Speaker 5: normal because you can't be brave without being scared. So
Speaker 5: go out there and just like be confident.
Speaker 6: And if you don't feel confident, just do it anyways,
Speaker 6: make yourself confident, Okay.
Speaker 5: So as always, please share and subscribe to a channel
Speaker 5: if you guys like the video and thanks watching.
Speaker 1: It's hard being a kid. It's always been hard, but
Speaker 1: in the age of social media, it may be that
Speaker 1: adolescence is as hard to navigate now as it has
Speaker 1: been at any other time in human history. Kayla, played
Speaker 1: expertly by Elsie Fisher. The film commenced shooting a week
Speaker 1: after Elsie graduated year eight is a shy, awkward eighth
Speaker 1: grader trying desperately to convince the world and herself that
Speaker 1: she isn't shy and awkward through her video blogs or vlogs,
Speaker 1: where she offers advice on how to appear confident and
Speaker 1: putting yourself out there. On the eve of high school,
Speaker 1: Kayla dreams of being part of a gang, a team,
Speaker 1: a clique. It's not that she's overtly targeted by the
Speaker 1: usual mean girls. It's more that Kayla is overlooked. She's ignored.
Speaker 1: Kayla is invisible to almost everyone but geeky underwater summer
Speaker 1: souldier Gabe Jake Ryan, her sweet and supportive high school
Speaker 1: shadow Olivia, Emily Robinson, and of course her single that
Speaker 1: Mark Day, played beautifully by Josh Hamilton, who is desperately
Speaker 1: trying to connect with his only daughter whilst walking on eggshells. Remarkably,
Speaker 1: this seemingly authentic, raw take on a teenage girls journey
Speaker 1: is written by a man, comedian Bo Burnham, who you
Speaker 1: saw in Promising Young Woman, and he's brilliant lockdown comedy
Speaker 1: special Inside. I've only recently come to this film, and
Speaker 1: I'm so glad I have Olivia Deebel. Have you ever
Speaker 1: looked into the eyes that they're as blue as Aiden's?
Speaker 4: Yeah, or I very viscerally remember being that young and
Speaker 4: having a crush on someone who looked exactly like that.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, totally like all of the slower and when
Speaker 4: he had his shirt, we already agreed weren't going to
Speaker 4: get into it, but just this I completely took me
Speaker 4: back and I went, oh, yeah, no, no, yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: with her and this and you're just kind of watching
Speaker 4: it have no idea what to do.
Speaker 1: I did love the hard cuts, the aide and the music.
Speaker 4: The similarity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was great. It was great, But I don't
Speaker 1: want to get too far into eighth grade. Thanks for
Speaker 1: fitting us in. You are extremely busy currently on stage
Speaker 1: Peter and the Star Catcher. We'll get to that in
Speaker 1: a monment.
Speaker 4: I'll see you, I'll see We've got to be working
Speaker 4: for a few hours, and we're car pulling to work together.
Speaker 1: We are saving the environment in one country at a time.
Speaker 1: So we came to this film. I asked you to
Speaker 1: do the podcast. You agreed, and then we spoke about
Speaker 1: some films that we might do. Break Back Mountain came up.
Speaker 4: It did it did and then I watched Broke Back
Speaker 4: Mountain and then thought, perhaps maybe we weren't the two
Speaker 4: best people to perhaps delve into the thought on this film.
Speaker 1: Well, it's all cinema.
Speaker 4: It's a beautiful movie.
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful film. I haven't watched it for quite
Speaker 1: a while.
Speaker 4: Actually, so also you'd seen it previously.
Speaker 1: I saw when it came out. Yeah, right, yeah, everyone
Speaker 1: everyone was seeing Breakback Mountain. But then I watched Eighth
Speaker 1: Grade because it kept on coming up in people's top
Speaker 1: three films. Frankie McNair had it in her favorite three
Speaker 1: films a couple of episodes ago, and I thought, okay,
Speaker 1: I need to watch this film. And I watched it,
Speaker 1: and I just thought, because you are younger as with
Speaker 1: most of the demographic I have on this show, I thought,
Speaker 1: instead of me as a forty nine year old bloke
Speaker 1: chatting to one of his mates about this particular movie,
Speaker 1: I thought it would be interesting to have somebody who's
Speaker 1: a bit closer to this.
Speaker 4: I better still be your mate, though, Pete, you are mate.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll see at the end of this. Sometimes these
Speaker 1: conversations go pear shaped, Olivia, don't get me started on
Speaker 1: Hamish McDonald and puns drunk love. Anyway, we don't talk
Speaker 1: about that, so we don't know he's white. Yes, I
Speaker 1: didn't think it'd be interesting, and you happily agree. I
Speaker 1: think you said you had seen like a part of
Speaker 1: it or a moment of view.
Speaker 4: I've seen it advertised or some video of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you hadn't seen it, so I kind of
Speaker 1: left on this opportunity. You agreed, so thank you for
Speaker 1: doing this. And you watched it this morning, so it's fresh. Yep, yep, fantastic.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Peter in the Starcast before we get
Speaker 1: onto your three favorite films, because I must say I've
Speaker 1: said this to you privately. Congratulations. You are absolutely smashing it.
Speaker 1: To see you from day one at rehearsals in Brisbane
Speaker 1: a few months ago to every night where you kind
Speaker 1: of rire the anchor for this story and you're driving
Speaker 1: a lot of the story. It's emotional every night. You
Speaker 1: somehow manage to have a tear come down and exactly
Speaker 1: the right point at the right time every time. You're
Speaker 1: doing astonishing work.
Speaker 4: Thank you. I really appreciate it. And I mean, yeah,
Speaker 4: we've we've definitely spoken about this before, but I think
Speaker 4: it's like and both of us coming from more kind
Speaker 4: of TV backgrounds as well, the support and camaraderie is
Speaker 4: just astonishing, to be honest with you, and like all
Speaker 4: of just this kind of you do it because you
Speaker 4: love it kind of like that. It's almost like this
Speaker 4: beautiful amalgamation of like that working hard Australian we do it,
Speaker 4: you know, because we've got to make good stuff. But
Speaker 4: then also it's just like everyone has so much fun
Speaker 4: every day. Yeah, it's just everyone respects everyone so much,
Speaker 4: and everyone's everyone's job there is so vital and important
Speaker 4: that you do just want to come to work every
Speaker 4: day and do your best. And you have that that
Speaker 4: and then you also have that amazing reaction from the
Speaker 4: audience immediately. And the thing I found really interesting is
Speaker 4: how much I don't want to say the audience dictates
Speaker 4: the performance, but how like I obviously knew that it's
Speaker 4: this incredible thing of like, you can't replicate the feelings
Speaker 4: that exist every each and every night again, but that
Speaker 4: moment of like we as an ensemble, go okay, they're
Speaker 4: not laughing at those jokes, as all right, we'll push
Speaker 4: you guys forward because you like it's even an unspoken way.
Speaker 4: It's like, Okay, they're laughing more at the physical humor.
Speaker 4: We'll all lean more into that opposed to the dialogue.
Speaker 4: Oh tonight, they're enjoying more quickly, kind of breaking the
Speaker 4: fourth wall to a degree. Great, we'll lean into that.
Speaker 4: And it's just like, that's been so incredible to just
Speaker 4: be part of with so many incredible talented people who
Speaker 4: just yeah, I don't know, and it's so unspoken, but
Speaker 4: then we and.
Speaker 1: It's such a beautiful mix of people who have done
Speaker 1: a lot of theater, you know. I know, the second
Speaker 1: half starts with dress as mermaids, and it's just like
Speaker 1: it's a very camp kind of you know, musical theater number,
Speaker 1: but we're dressing these like what like not like her,
Speaker 1: but they're kind of yeah, they are.
Speaker 4: They're like alycra aridescent scale.
Speaker 1: And I'm there and I've got we're doing high kicks
Speaker 1: and I have Allison White to my left and Paul
Speaker 1: Capsus to my right, and every night, at some point
Speaker 1: where we're doing those kicks, I just start laughing. I
Speaker 1: still I still manage to kind of keep singing, but
Speaker 1: I'm laughing through the singing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's so many points like that, it's like it.
Speaker 1: Is and it's kind of joyous. And then you know,
Speaker 1: so you have these people have done a lot of theater,
Speaker 1: and we caught up. We did some press before we
Speaker 1: started the rehearsal, and it was you told me it
Speaker 1: was your first time doing theater. It was my first
Speaker 1: time doing theater this big. I'd done the Rocky Horror
Speaker 1: with and narrating it. This is having a role and
Speaker 1: being there from day one totally different. It's really buying
Speaker 1: in at every level.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think now because we're so we're so
Speaker 4: polished with our performances now and like I think we're
Speaker 4: really in some kind of a routine. It's just crazy
Speaker 4: to think back into like I don't know if you
Speaker 4: had these moments on this when we're on stage and
Speaker 4: we're just like just I don't know, being a ridiculous
Speaker 4: mollusc or like pretending to be an animal as a pirate,
Speaker 4: and I just go back to Britain and I'm like,
Speaker 4: how the fuck did we get here? Like how these
Speaker 4: like initially we're just conversations and offerings or just like
Speaker 4: jokes that we've begun that now are like set in
Speaker 4: a play that we get to do every single night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy, it's really joyous.
Speaker 4: You should come and see it.
Speaker 1: Definitely, come and see it. We're almost finishing Melbourne by
Speaker 1: the time you listen. Listen to this Adelaide Sydney Brisbane
Speaker 1: in the new year twenty twenty five, come along and
Speaker 1: see Peter in a star catch. It's genuinely it is
Speaker 1: a five time Tony Award winning a Broadway play. The
Speaker 1: review the local reviews have been astonishing, The crowds are
Speaker 1: loving it. At the end of each night, it's hilarious.
Speaker 1: It's got this kind of goes full panto and myself
Speaker 1: and even Colin Lane get to kind of really play around,
Speaker 1: and you know, the audience gets involved some nights and
Speaker 1: then it just switches on the dime and this is
Speaker 1: where you know your talents are remarkable. And then along
Speaker 1: with Otis Dangi, who you played this really emotional scene
Speaker 1: where people have gone from like literally pissing themselves, well
Speaker 1: not literally pissed themselves.
Speaker 4: L literally really we're really in big trouble with darts.
Speaker 1: And then they are crying through your performance and the
Speaker 1: connection that you guys have and what it means to
Speaker 1: the Peter pan World. It's it's astonishing, and it's at
Speaker 1: the end of I come off stage every night. We're
Speaker 1: all beaming at the end of each night. It's it's phenomenal.
Speaker 1: So come along and check out Peter and the Star Catch.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about your three favorite films. They are three
Speaker 1: great films. The Lobster is if you haven't seen The Lobster,
Speaker 1: bloody hell. It is an incredible film Colin Farrell, and
Speaker 1: it is the director whose name, yes, yes, he did
Speaker 1: The Favorite Kindness and Poor Things, Pretty Things, Poor Things
Speaker 1: with Emma Stone winning the Oscar for that. He is
Speaker 1: a filmmaker to watch. And The Lobster is bizarre. So
Speaker 1: the Lobster is about it's Colin Farrell and he goes
Speaker 1: to a retreat where you.
Speaker 4: So you're so the world in which we enter with
Speaker 4: the Lobster is like a reality in which if you're
Speaker 4: not part if you don't have a partner, like a
Speaker 4: lifetime husband or wife partner, you are you're exiled from
Speaker 4: the community or just kind of from the worlds. And
Speaker 4: so that typically transpires in that like you either get
Speaker 4: taken away, or you run a recluse in the forest,
Speaker 4: or you get turned into an animal of your choosing
Speaker 4: as soon as you lose your partner, Like if if
Speaker 4: you break up or something happens, you have to go
Speaker 4: to this hotel. You have to get it initiated, or
Speaker 4: you just need to find another partner. So Colin Fower's
Speaker 4: character goes to a hotel and he has I think
Speaker 4: it's like forty days, I think, to find a match
Speaker 4: with someone and then they can be reinented in society.
Speaker 4: And if he doesn't, he gets turned into an animal
Speaker 4: of his choosing. Yeah, and it's just kind of about him.
Speaker 4: I am I allowed to spoil it? Is that how
Speaker 4: we Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he can. There're certainly spoilers for eighth grade, but
Speaker 1: also yeah, if you want to avoid spoilers with the Lobster,
Speaker 1: maybe skip ahead a couple of thirty seconds.
Speaker 4: So he it's just about him trying to figure out
Speaker 4: what he's gonna then do, and he does eventually find love.
Speaker 4: I think it's one of the most beautiful love stories,
Speaker 4: to be honest with you, and this kind of comment
Speaker 4: on society and outlawing and keeping people apart. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: I just I really I remember, I don't know if
Speaker 4: this is the same with you. There are some films
Speaker 4: that do just genuinely impact you. But I also think
Speaker 4: it's very much about circumstance and like how it's introduced
Speaker 4: to you, where you saw it, what setting it was in,
Speaker 4: and like I remember I was I was on Home
Speaker 4: and Away at the time, and I was four fourteen maybe,
Speaker 4: and the guy a guy who was my co star,
Speaker 4: and he played my best friend and then my boyfriend,
Speaker 4: then a cousin sister's uncle in very true Home and
Speaker 4: Oi fashion, and he was a little bit older than me,
Speaker 4: like he was in his twenties, Lucas Radovich, and he
Speaker 4: was watching it just like on a little I think
Speaker 4: might be a computer and an iPad or something. And
Speaker 4: I think it was like my first introduction into like
Speaker 4: this kind of art scene in that regard, Like my
Speaker 4: own parents had really educated me fantastically on film, but
Speaker 4: as a young person with a slightly older person showing
Speaker 4: me a kind of nuanced film about love and leaving,
Speaker 4: and it was just I think part of it was
Speaker 4: that he trusted me that I could take on these
Speaker 4: things and like could appreciate the art that he was
Speaker 4: sharing with me, and like then that your Ghost now
Speaker 4: is like my favorite director of all time, and I
Speaker 4: think he's brilliant, and I yeah, like did my year
Speaker 4: twelve media studies on him, and like watch all his films,
Speaker 4: And when I write films, I have a I try
Speaker 4: to have a similar process to him because I think
Speaker 4: the way that he creates his art is really magical.
Speaker 4: So I think, like I was going to pick I
Speaker 4: was going to pick Poor Things as another favorite, but
Speaker 4: I think that, like just specifically because the Lobster was
Speaker 4: my entry point into it, I think that's yea why
Speaker 4: as well?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, he makes extraordinary I haven't seen Kinds
Speaker 1: of Kindness yet. I was really looking forward to watching
Speaker 1: it on a plane coming back from Perth, and I
Speaker 1: was like, almost saved you fight coming out on the
Speaker 1: way back. It's like a four hour flight. Whatever it
Speaker 1: is I've got, I can fit kind kinds of Kindness
Speaker 1: in And the entertame system was.
Speaker 4: Down, devastating.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I was not happy at all. But he does
Speaker 1: make extraordinary film.
Speaker 4: I was saying this to Otis actually because I showed Otis,
Speaker 4: who plays Peter in pera shameless Little pluck. There's something
Speaker 4: so amazing about because like love when we's Anderson and
Speaker 4: he does this too. And it's a kind of I
Speaker 4: think it's a little bit more visual than your ghost.
Speaker 4: But he feels like when he makes a movie, he
Speaker 4: creates this entire world in which the dialogue or the
Speaker 4: way that they behave is so iconic to a your
Speaker 4: ghost film, like you immediately know or true. This is
Speaker 4: no matter that like whether it be in the favorite
Speaker 4: as a period piece or something in the future, or
Speaker 4: a lot of his older stuff was in French and Greek.
Speaker 4: Regardless of that, the way in which he creates his
Speaker 4: worlds is so immediate that you know, yeah, And I
Speaker 4: just think that's I don't know, yeah, I think that's
Speaker 4: something so incredible about like being able to create like
Speaker 4: this director, he has a universe in his head, and
Speaker 4: every time he makes a movie, you get the opportunity
Speaker 4: to enter into his world so immediately and the familiarity
Speaker 4: of that. I'm sure lots of directors do that. I
Speaker 4: think that's why people like and think.
Speaker 1: My point was Thank God. There are filmmakers like Yugust
Speaker 1: and Paul Thomas Anderson, Martin D. Mcdona who were about
Speaker 1: to talk about and Ruben Osland is another one who
Speaker 1: did Force Measure and was nominally for the Oscar for
Speaker 1: the Triangle of Sadness. People talk about the marvelization of films,
Speaker 1: but thank god there are some of these filmmakers who
Speaker 1: are still making these weird, wonderful, beautiful films that we
Speaker 1: can as adults appreciate and also that are.
Speaker 4: Just stories too, Like I mean, we'll get I think
Speaker 4: we'll dive into this more. But it was so lovely
Speaker 4: to just sit there for ninety minutes this morning and
Speaker 4: just it's just a story about someone and that's the
Speaker 4: beautiful thing about doesn't need this mash crescendo or some
Speaker 4: fucked up sorry, some horrible thing to happen. So I'm
Speaker 4: so well media trained, I'm.
Speaker 1: To take it back. Apologies to little lunch fans.
Speaker 4: No, no, it's just crazy because Josh from the front
Speaker 4: gave me an energy, an energy remedy.
Speaker 1: Josh is the best, is the best, Thank you, Josh.
Speaker 1: But you're right. As a story, it's just.
Speaker 4: It's and it's just that like we forget about that
Speaker 4: that like it doesn't need to be a huge I
Speaker 4: mean there's something too like crazy, big nuts, visceral stories,
Speaker 4: but just like allowing yourself to just enter into the
Speaker 4: living room or the space of someone for an hour
Speaker 4: and a half and then you leave and it's not
Speaker 4: a big message or a big letter. It's just you
Speaker 4: sharing a vulnerable moment with these filmmakers as they've created
Speaker 4: a little piece for you, and then you go again. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's really it's humanizing.
Speaker 1: I guess well, it's when they you might watch the
Speaker 1: Oscars every year and somebody will get up and be
Speaker 1: quite earnest about what movies do and they connect us
Speaker 1: as human beings, and you can roll your arms a
Speaker 1: little bit, but it's it's it's kind of absolutely true.
Speaker 1: We watch movies so we don't feel alone in this
Speaker 1: in this world that we can connect with experiences and
Speaker 1: the movie we're I'm talking about today. You know, I've
Speaker 1: heard various people talk about it. It's you don't have
Speaker 1: to be a third in year old girl to understand
Speaker 1: this film. Will get this film, and that's and that's
Speaker 1: really powerful. But let's talk about your your Martin McDonough
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite filmmakers as well, and he
Speaker 1: made three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri. I love this film.
Speaker 1: In Bruises is one of my absolute favorite films. Because
Speaker 1: you've got brother Patrick, who also makes films Cavalry, Is
Speaker 1: he the Cavalary? Was that his brother? He might have
Speaker 1: been his brother, I think, which is also another great,
Speaker 1: great film. And recently Martin made The Banshees of Insurance.
Speaker 1: So great filmmaker. He's certainly if he's got a new
Speaker 1: film out on my ticket is already purchased. Why do
Speaker 1: you love Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri?
Speaker 4: I think it's so incredible. Well, I think it's just
Speaker 4: so incredibly profound, Like I think the story, the story
Speaker 4: is just nuts. And I think that Francis McDermot always
Speaker 4: reminds me of my mother a little bit, just in
Speaker 4: her presence. Like I watched Almost Famous recently.
Speaker 1: I was basically five minutes of it the other day
Speaker 1: because I was leaving the house, but it was almost
Speaker 1: like five minutes later than I had to because I
Speaker 1: was watching so.
Speaker 4: Good, such a good film. But just anyway, So I
Speaker 4: think there's this there's this female strength that that woman
Speaker 4: commands that makes me feel as if I'm her child
Speaker 4: to some degree in anything that she does with her presence.
Speaker 4: And I think it's just it's about the film is
Speaker 4: about a takes place of her family after the eldest
Speaker 4: daughter has been pretty brutally assaulted and murdered, and the
Speaker 4: mother is waiting for the cops to do something about it,
Speaker 4: and so she purchases three billboards outside of Eving, Missouri
Speaker 4: that say some pretty crazy stuff about the lack of justice. Yeah,
Speaker 4: the lack of justice directly towards the headshriff for cop
Speaker 4: of the town. Yeah, And it's just I mean, this
Speaker 4: story structure just blew my mind. I think, like this
Speaker 4: is definitely one that you can't spoil, but like what
Speaker 4: happens with him and that being in the first like third,
Speaker 4: and then the growth of that other copy. I can't
Speaker 4: remember the actor sent but that like just the turnaround,
Speaker 4: and I think, like again talking about really, yeah, oh
Speaker 4: my god, Samrockle is so good in that, and just
Speaker 4: like that you didn't know what was going to happen.
Speaker 4: You were already so devastated. It was so harsh and raw,
Speaker 4: but also so hopeful. And then I don't know, it
Speaker 4: just it just knocks me for a long time, and
Speaker 4: I think it just has all of these incredible elements
Speaker 4: to it that just it just it feels if it
Speaker 4: feels so real and also so horrific, and yeah, I
Speaker 4: don't know, it just isn't incredibly.
Speaker 1: It's really it's really dark, but it is. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: is a it's a it's a beautiful film, and it
Speaker 1: takes the places respected. Yeah, you know Woodie Harrelson's characters,
Speaker 1: he has his own journey. It's not sideways in.
Speaker 4: Sam Rockell's character has his own journey. And just like
Speaker 4: the way in which they're able to paint these backgrounds
Speaker 4: so gently too, like it's I don't know, it's it's
Speaker 4: a crazy movie.
Speaker 1: And also I think it's one of the first times
Speaker 1: perhaps i'd seen Caleb Landry Jones, who plays Red, who's
Speaker 1: like the the let's just say that, the dumb cop
Speaker 1: if you like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and no, no, no, he played he played the printmaker.
Speaker 1: The printmaker that's right, Yeah, that's right. And yeah, so
Speaker 1: France and mcderman has to buy the billboards off. Even
Speaker 1: the police have it take exception to it. But he's
Speaker 1: an extraordinary actor.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Just but also like it's just everyone is so brilliant
Speaker 4: in it, and it's just I think there's also this
Speaker 4: level of like not romanticism with America, but it's very
Speaker 4: separate from especially the experiences I've had. But I think
Speaker 4: as a culture as a whole, We're not. It's very drat,
Speaker 4: it's quite different, Like I don't know things about it.
Speaker 4: So when you watch a film like that and it's
Speaker 4: so quintessentially American, and I just kind of think in
Speaker 4: the current climate as well, it's just like holy shit,
Speaker 4: yeah crazy. But it's just a yeah, She's a really
Speaker 4: impactful movie. And I think it's just like I think
Speaker 4: female rage and pain and strength and power is just
Speaker 4: so And this is like a biased and selfish perspective,
Speaker 4: but I just find it so strong and so moving,
Speaker 4: and especially a story about like a mother's kind of
Speaker 4: love and what she will do and her sense of
Speaker 4: injustice and how she needs to be heard and for that, Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's just that comparison and of like it wasn't good
Speaker 4: enough and it's justifiable that it wasn't good enough for her,
Speaker 4: and she will do whatever she needs to to.
Speaker 1: Get justice for a daughter. Absolutely, and France McDormand sells
Speaker 1: strength like no other actor.
Speaker 4: I not like with a look that's what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's just she's so still and so it's not scary,
Speaker 4: it's just but this is the thing, and I think
Speaker 4: this is a beautiful thing. She doesn't or the way
Speaker 4: that she comes across. She's not embarrassed about her emotions.
Speaker 4: I think that this is a pretty big thing for
Speaker 4: like women seen as hysterical or dramatic or over the top.
Speaker 4: So you're quite consistently like checking yourself for regaining because
Speaker 4: you don't want to come across as emotional or erratic.
Speaker 4: She just doesn't care, and that just yeah, pays off
Speaker 4: every single time and leaves such an impact on you
Speaker 4: because she's being genuine.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, extraordinary film and maybe.
Speaker 4: Let's light things up with the Bird Cage. Such a
Speaker 4: good film. I watched it really young, and I just
Speaker 4: I love Nathan Lane and Robin Williams like he was
Speaker 4: my first, like probably first like love. I watched More
Speaker 4: Can Mindy quite young, and so I had a real
Speaker 4: entrance into his comedy there and then just kind of
Speaker 4: kept watching it and I think it's just you know,
Speaker 4: it's just a perfect storm. It's hilariously camp. It's it's
Speaker 4: Nathan Lane and Robin Williams playing a married a gay
Speaker 4: married couple that own a night club drag house, and
Speaker 4: Nathan Lane is the head drag queen and Robbie Williams
Speaker 4: owns it and their son is getting married. It's so funny.
Speaker 4: I've forgot how funny it is. Have you seen it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have the memory of it.
Speaker 4: It's good, it's good. She's getting married to like a
Speaker 4: super conservative the daughter of like a super conservative politician. Yes,
Speaker 4: and hilarity ensues as they meet, and they're stressed about
Speaker 4: the two dads meetings. So the two dads meeting the
Speaker 4: conservative parents, so they like try to get rid of
Speaker 4: Nathan Lane, and he's very camp and upset about that,
Speaker 4: and then try to get his biological mother to come
Speaker 4: and pretend to be the mom, but then she gets
Speaker 4: suck in traffic. So then Nathan Lane dressed up as
Speaker 4: a woman, and then like it's just this like dinner show. Oh,
Speaker 4: it's just they're just hiding all the gay paraphernalia because
Speaker 4: they're so stressed about like the conservative Yeah, it's just
Speaker 4: a it's a lot of fun and it's music and
Speaker 4: like just that incredible physical hilarity and it's just being
Speaker 4: so over the top and yeah, just great, it's great.
Speaker 1: Revisit the bird Cage. Really fun for a long time. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's get in to the movie. We are here to
Speaker 1: talk about Today from twenty eighteen, written and directed by
Speaker 1: Bo Burnham, kind of came the prominence in on YouTube
Speaker 1: a lot of YouTube stuff. Sound comedian, very good actor
Speaker 1: as well promising young woman stars Elsie Fisher and Josh Hamilton.
Speaker 1: Olivia Deevil, did you enjoy eighth Grade?
Speaker 4: I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It was lots of fun. There was some points where
Speaker 4: not I just was a bit like, where's it going?
Speaker 4: But I think that's I think that's nice. I think
Speaker 4: it's nice when that happens because it's forcing you to,
Speaker 4: like sit, It's like a concentration exercise. It's like I
Speaker 4: don't need to be stimulated all the time. I can
Speaker 4: just be enjoying what's going on objectively. I thought the
Speaker 4: way it was shot was great, like what we talked
Speaker 4: about it before, of like the just watching her watch
Speaker 4: things and it being like she being quite still as
Speaker 4: this world moves around. And I love the idea of
Speaker 4: an immersive music or immersive kind of soundtrack when that
Speaker 4: really takes over and describes. I thought the music was
Speaker 4: great in it. I thought I complimented it really well,
Speaker 4: and it lack was very like it was a big
Speaker 4: variety of music too as well, So I thought that
Speaker 4: was cool. What's the leads girl?
Speaker 1: The girl's name Elsie Fisher.
Speaker 4: She's just so good, so good, She's so so good.
Speaker 4: Oh she made me like sometimes when she like.
Speaker 2: No, no, babe.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I so I can now say this. I loved this film,
Speaker 1: which maybe is unsurprisingly because I was urging you to
Speaker 1: watch it and wanted to do it. I was blown
Speaker 1: away by this film, I understand. I went back and
Speaker 1: looked at what films were nominated for the twenty nineteen Oscars,
Speaker 1: and the favorite was was in there. Green Book won
Speaker 1: and like Panther, Like Clansman, Vice, A Star Is Born,
Speaker 1: Bahemi Rhapsody, this should have been nominated. And I looked
Speaker 1: at the best actresses. Olivia Coleman won for the Favorite.
Speaker 1: Got no problem with that, Lady Garga and Melissa McCarthy
Speaker 1: and one of the actresses from Roma and Glenn Close
Speaker 1: for the Wife, and Elsie Fisher should have been in that,
Speaker 1: and I have no problem if you hear that one.
Speaker 1: That was an astonishing performance, made all the more astonishing
Speaker 1: by the fact that I've heard bo Burnham say that
Speaker 1: all her starters and stumbles were all scripted, so it's
Speaker 1: not this idea where.
Speaker 4: This kind of just just just say, just film you
Speaker 4: as you're doing this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a performance. And sometimes when somebody the
Speaker 1: first time I've all seen Elsie Fisher. I remember when
Speaker 1: Chris O'Donnell came onto the scene with the sense of
Speaker 1: a woman or Ethan Hawk in their pelts. So playing
Speaker 1: like nervous, stumbling kind of characters, you're not sure how
Speaker 1: much of it is just them and how much is
Speaker 1: he is genuine acting. And then you see, particularly Ethan
Speaker 1: Hawk's career evolved, you're going to go, I know, that
Speaker 1: was a brilliant performance. And so sometimes you're not sure
Speaker 1: and we still don't know. We haven't rely seen Elsie
Speaker 1: Fisher's career evolve fully yet. But knowing that that was
Speaker 1: all scripted, I think it's astonishing.
Speaker 4: And it adds another it adds another layer to it
Speaker 4: as well, because it's not just let me capture something
Speaker 4: that's currently going on, it's replicating. Yeah, so she was awesome.
Speaker 4: I didn't have that. I had I had a very
Speaker 4: unorthodox childhood experience.
Speaker 1: So you so the age is thirteen, I think basically
Speaker 1: eighth grade. Yes, so, and you had You had a
Speaker 1: dip because you went off working for a bit and
Speaker 1: you had a different kind of schooling kind of experience.
Speaker 1: Tell us about that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I, well I already had a pretty bizarre
Speaker 4: I went first to a bilingual primary school because my
Speaker 4: mum really wanted me to speak French, so I went
Speaker 4: there for a few years. And then we went to
Speaker 4: with Steiner Steiner Kids, which is like an alternative learning
Speaker 4: stream like Montessori, so already not necessarily like an Australian
Speaker 4: kind of education. And then I got Little Lunch, the
Speaker 4: first TV show that I started doing at twelve. So
Speaker 4: then I was out for a year and we did
Speaker 4: schooling on set, but yeah, we were just in a
Speaker 4: little kind of built school system. And then we just
Speaker 4: go off every couple of hours in film. So that
Speaker 4: was awesome but not not a normal experience. And then
Speaker 4: I came back and then I was at school. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know what probably for that kind of year. It
Speaker 4: was this year going into years six, maybe finishing year sixty,
Speaker 4: year seven.
Speaker 1: Well, this is a thing is in America, you know,
Speaker 1: the first couple of years it's it's not quite high school.
Speaker 1: So we go to high school in year.
Speaker 4: Seven seven, yeah, so this is I believe the middle
Speaker 4: school bit, which is yeah, six, seven a and then nine,
Speaker 4: ten eleven, I guess high school yea, yeah, so no,
Speaker 4: this was actually I was the year seven to year
Speaker 4: achs and I got home and away when I was
Speaker 4: going into year eight, right, So yeah, I had like
Speaker 4: one year at school in this regard, and I do
Speaker 4: really there were the components I really related to, is like,
Speaker 4: regardless of I think where you fit in the clicks
Speaker 4: or your popularity, usually that monologue about how she feels
Speaker 4: like she's just consistently and perpetually anxious, and I just
Speaker 4: like that it's just so true and just like relatable
Speaker 4: of you like so desperately trying to be cool and
Speaker 4: just trying that to like you just want nothing more
Speaker 4: than to be liked or not even liked, but just
Speaker 4: to be like allowed to be part of the group
Speaker 4: like this, like hankering for like watching them all laugh
Speaker 4: and like having no idea what the what they're laughing
Speaker 4: at and how do you find that funny or like
Speaker 4: what's cool at the moment, and like, Okay, how do
Speaker 4: I make myself cool? For that is just maybe it's
Speaker 4: not a universal experience, but I think it's just it's
Speaker 4: really interesting how much of that is placed like that
Speaker 4: really feels like the quintessential kind of adolescence moment, which
Speaker 4: I'm I don't know, is that that the same fear?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: I think so I had a good, you know, high
Speaker 1: school experience and primary school, and I had a lot
Speaker 1: of a group of friends who basically went from primary
Speaker 1: school with me to my high school. And they're still
Speaker 1: my friends. You know, they're still my group. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: they're still we can all relate to the feeling of
Speaker 1: being anxious or nervous about something. I mean, when we
Speaker 1: out of you know, these rehearsals repeat in the Starcatcher.
Speaker 1: That first day felt like like the first day of school,
Speaker 1: and like I knew Colin Lane was the only person
Speaker 1: I knew beforehand, and I knew of people but I
Speaker 1: didn't know and it's it's very different experience. And I
Speaker 1: remember thinking, oh, some of these people already know each
Speaker 1: other and oh god, yeah, you know, and it was
Speaker 1: it was bizarre.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, you don't have to be
Speaker 1: like I said early at third and you're a girl
Speaker 1: to realize this is such a relatable thing. And I
Speaker 1: think the genius about what they've done with eighth grade.
Speaker 1: Bo Burnham is the dad character is also another window
Speaker 1: into this movie like that I so I watched this.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I told you this. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if I've I told one or two of fellow
Speaker 1: actors at Star Catcher. But I watched this after a
Speaker 1: show one night and just put it on and I
Speaker 1: burst into tears at one point when and we'll play
Speaker 1: it a bit later, when there's a when he finally
Speaker 1: gets through to her, there's a connection and she kind
Speaker 1: of like leaps into his arms, and I just I
Speaker 1: just I took Like in the morning, I'm in an
Speaker 1: apartment in camera by myself, and I'm just bawling at
Speaker 1: this movie about this eighth grade. But it's not just
Speaker 1: about her. It's like having that window in because as
Speaker 1: a parent, you are just trying to well. My attitude
Speaker 1: is I won't be able to teach you everything. You know.
Speaker 1: I don't have the skills like you know, like you
Speaker 1: can learn how to put a fish on the hook yourself,
Speaker 1: you know, or somebody an call teacher.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I'll teach you how to ride a bike and simple things,
Speaker 1: but my main aim is to make you feel that
Speaker 1: you are safe, that you are supported, and you are laughed.
Speaker 1: That's been my attitude the whole way through. And also
Speaker 1: you know he's had to, i think, be a good person, respect,
Speaker 1: you know, and all that stuff. And you to see
Speaker 1: him trying to get through to her, and they played
Speaker 1: at a really good level that she is not nice
Speaker 1: to her, but we don't, we don't dislike her. There's
Speaker 1: a really good film playing in cinema at the moment
Speaker 1: called Audrey, made by some friends of mine, Natalie Bailey
Speaker 1: directed in Lucan's that they worked with me on how
Speaker 1: to Stay married. And they have a daughter called Audrey
Speaker 1: who and she is an awful, awful, awful character. You
Speaker 1: hate you hate her pretty quickly, and she's a bit
Speaker 1: older than than Kayla. But there's an absolute purpose that
Speaker 1: she actually goes into a coma and everybody's lives becomes
Speaker 1: better while she's in the So it's a strategy to
Speaker 1: have the audience not like this character where you know,
Speaker 1: in the wrong hands, else you could become a bit
Speaker 1: unlikable because of the way she's treating her dad. But
Speaker 1: because she's she is so likable, and we wanted to
Speaker 1: win and we understand why that frustrations well.
Speaker 4: Because inherently it's like that's for her. He is a
Speaker 4: safe Like there's that thing of like she's just decompressing
Speaker 4: on him and so like she's had to keep it
Speaker 4: together so hard and be so nice and so smiling
Speaker 4: to everyone that actually, like he is her place of
Speaker 4: safety to relinquish or be disrespectful in that regard. I
Speaker 4: also fucking love the fact that they had so they
Speaker 4: were so similar like in their like he was so
Speaker 4: anxious and he was like you just you know, you
Speaker 4: gotta be confident in himself and like, and I love
Speaker 4: that because I feel like we don't we pit parent
Speaker 4: and child relationships against each other in films so much
Speaker 4: like you don't understand me, I don't understand you will
Speaker 4: just keep budding and then we'll have a big yell
Speaker 4: or something fucked up will happen, and then we can
Speaker 4: be friends again at the end. Whereas this was just like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you're totally right, Like his performance was so like I
Speaker 4: just want to get through to her. Am I gonna
Speaker 4: try this angle? L right, I'll try this angle or
Speaker 4: back off, because in the beginning I was like, tell you,
Speaker 4: tell it to get off a phone. Yeah, a little
Speaker 4: bit when I hadn't like a little and I was like,
Speaker 4: why is he So I was like, Oh, he's gonna
Speaker 4: be a bit of a wet blanket, like he's just
Speaker 4: kinda kind of a pear. And then I'm gonna he's
Speaker 4: gonna say something that to go And it did. Wasn't
Speaker 4: that like you? You also felt bad for him, but
Speaker 4: justified for her and like confused as to why he
Speaker 4: was so casual, like I wanted him to be more present,
Speaker 4: but then realizing like he knew that's I don't know,
Speaker 4: maybe his parents never did that for him, and so
Speaker 4: he was trying to give her the space because he
Speaker 4: knew that.
Speaker 1: He probably also knows if he pushes goes down that road,
Speaker 1: he will push her away. Only daughter. The mom's not
Speaker 1: on the scene. There's only a fleeting reference of her leaving. Now.
Speaker 1: It sounds like she left as opposed to die.
Speaker 2: Die.
Speaker 1: I think you will probably know more about it if
Speaker 1: she did die. But I love that There's all these
Speaker 1: things that aren't.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 1: The fact she's invited to that pool party. The only
Speaker 1: reason she gets invited to that pool party the mum,
Speaker 1: because the mum has the crush has a crush on
Speaker 1: a single dad and it's so fleeting. If you're not
Speaker 1: paying attention, you don't see it. But it's the only reason.
Speaker 1: When she's looking over her shoulders your dad. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's so it's so beautifully done. And also that
Speaker 1: all of her posts basically come from something her dad
Speaker 1: tells her. It's like he is getting true. Absolutely, it's
Speaker 1: just so true. And for someone like Bo Burnham, who's
Speaker 1: a young man my knowledge, does not have kids. But
Speaker 1: that was a made up trend, by.
Speaker 4: The way, That's what I'm saying exactly, Like it's so.
Speaker 1: Which which which I love because it's clever. Yeah, Elsie
Speaker 1: apparently would say it, and she didn't know why she said.
Speaker 1: She just kind of she was nervous and she didn't
Speaker 1: have to finished sentence, and so she just got Gucci
Speaker 1: and then it became the thing.
Speaker 4: Exactly and they included it, which is like super clever
Speaker 4: and I think that's really fun creating. Or just even
Speaker 4: the like the whole movie was so awkward, like when
Speaker 4: they're in the just even like the practice gun uh drill,
Speaker 4: oh my god, or just even the like when they're
Speaker 4: in the line just kids yelling out just absolute shit,
Speaker 4: just like the Dribbler. Every time anyone said that was
Speaker 4: really I was like, you were immediately back in like
Speaker 4: I was back in this classroom with all of these
Speaker 4: weird teenagers that I didn't understand, but I did really
Speaker 4: relate to her. That other beautiful thing was the dad
Speaker 4: relationship where he's spying and then he does let her go,
Speaker 4: and like when he then says, Okay, I'll let you
Speaker 4: go and I'll let like I trust that you're going
Speaker 4: to be safe, and then she gets driven home by
Speaker 4: that boy and we'll talk about that scene in a
Speaker 4: second anyway, but that she did like she said no,
Speaker 4: she said she wasn't comfortable, and then later when he said, like,
Speaker 4: I've raised you to know your own boundaries and respect that,
Speaker 4: I just thought, like that was just lovely in just
Speaker 4: the space that they gave one another, and like actually
Speaker 4: making her I think doing writing like that's really clever
Speaker 4: because it was an evident decision of consent and the
Speaker 4: levels that were comfortable with and also that like you
Speaker 4: do need to it's okay that he let her go
Speaker 4: and be in that car because she was pretty aware
Speaker 4: of the danger or the risk quite early on and
Speaker 4: I think it was like that is how you, as
Speaker 4: a young woman learn. He's like, you can get in
Speaker 4: a slightly hairy situation, you go, okay, no, that could
Speaker 4: have been worse. So that's the boundary that leads to that, No,
Speaker 4: I am able to still get myself home, or I'm
Speaker 4: able to still be consenting. And then I really enjoyed
Speaker 4: that the reason she stopped or the last video she makes,
Speaker 4: she's like, I'm gonna stop making them a while because
Speaker 4: I don't think I'm being authentic. I thought it was
Speaker 4: going to be like a mental health spiral, but was
Speaker 4: really incredibly insightful that she was just like, I just
Speaker 4: don't think what I'm preaching right now is the truth yet,
Speaker 4: and so I need to go. And I just thought
Speaker 4: that was really great and like you could see her mature.
Speaker 4: I think it's quite hard, and she matures quite late
Speaker 4: in the film too, like I'm like last ten minutes
Speaker 4: kind of thing, you know, where she's really like, she's
Speaker 4: pretty the same, pretty insecure and nothing like she isn't
Speaker 4: really landing the friends, it isn't really working for her.
Speaker 4: It's still feeling quite fake or performity of up until
Speaker 4: those last ten minutes. And then that was really lovely
Speaker 4: because it's almost like, yeah, but that's where hitting puberty
Speaker 4: feels like. And then suddenly tomorrow the next day and
Speaker 4: you're the you know everything and you're confident in yourself
Speaker 4: and everything's changed now and like, oh, I'm new. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And so it was even that like mirror mimicking that.
Speaker 4: That's kind of what puberty. You're evolving, feels like. You
Speaker 4: have like a really shit seven months and like everything sucks,
Speaker 4: and then suddenly you're, oh, okay, we're on it. Right,
Speaker 4: there's a new spike of some hormone or a doorphone,
Speaker 4: or your brain develops a little bit more, you get
Speaker 4: more insight, and then you you're there and you're changed.
Speaker 1: Because I do think you're absolutely right. It's she's being performative,
Speaker 1: and I think she's that's the thing. I think she's
Speaker 1: she's smart and she's self aware, but she is trying
Speaker 1: to convince herself or manifest this confident person by doing
Speaker 1: these vlogs, and like she knows she's lying. I think
Speaker 1: I don't think she really believes she's a guru, but
Speaker 1: she I think she's thinking if I can convince people
Speaker 1: that it will be true, then it will be true.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And this is the interesting thing. I think perhaps
Speaker 4: this happens more because we've had access to social media
Speaker 4: so young. You have access to it's not just a
Speaker 4: small bubble, it's not that like this is the hierarchy
Speaker 4: of the school. And then my social peers that I
Speaker 4: hang out with here, like you immediately log on and
Speaker 4: can interact with a variety of people from all these
Speaker 4: different walks of life and immediately see images that you
Speaker 4: would not be privy to, like maybe you'd see them
Speaker 4: in a magazine or a newspaper, but like that they're
Speaker 4: immediately tangible and accessible to your phone, and that you
Speaker 4: have this added like layer. It's like an added responsibility
Speaker 4: of who's my what is my social presence? Like every
Speaker 4: time like that happened to me when I first got
Speaker 4: an Instagram account that was just for friends, Like you
Speaker 4: sit and you mull over and you look at theirs
Speaker 4: and you think, okay, is this right? So this is
Speaker 4: the filter that everyone's using, Like okay, so I'll use
Speaker 4: that filter and plan the photos and this is the
Speaker 4: aesthetic that's going on, and so we all then like
Speaker 4: I just remember that so viscerally in high school, like
Speaker 4: from like like at the moment in Instagram landscape pictures
Speaker 4: that have no editing that are kind of like or
Speaker 4: of bizarre shit is really like popular and like if
Speaker 4: you did that with the selfie and then like you covered,
Speaker 4: so it's like and I don't need it, Like I'm not.
Speaker 4: I try quite hard to remove myself from subscribing to
Speaker 4: the importance, taking away importance from that because it just
Speaker 4: it didn't make me inherently happy at all, and I
Speaker 4: think it like is fucked for people's mental health, but
Speaker 4: it's still inside me totally there, and I think that's
Speaker 4: like he did it really well. When she's staying up
Speaker 4: and just scrolling and scrolling and scrolling into the fucking
Speaker 4: hours and just like you're looking at these women's bodies,
Speaker 4: women's smile, telling you how confident and awesome they are
Speaker 4: and how much you should just love yourself and like
Speaker 4: you know it's fake, but you just still consume it
Speaker 4: and you just it's a crazy like the phone is
Speaker 4: a crazy addiction.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's gonna be fascinating over the next year
Speaker 1: or so. In Australia, where there are laws that will
Speaker 1: who knows how they're going to police it, and we
Speaker 1: don't need to get into that, but it's you know,
Speaker 1: if you you can't be on social media until you're sixteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think it's great.
Speaker 4: I think that's a great rule, you know.
Speaker 1: And I hope, I hope it has an impact and
Speaker 1: I hope that, you know, they can police it. I
Speaker 1: noticed if my kids, they were all all my kids
Speaker 1: were big readers growing up. Yeah, we read them a
Speaker 1: whole lot.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: I've written books that you know, you know, they've seen
Speaker 1: me right then, they've seen them published, and as soon
Speaker 1: as I put a phone in their hands, they stop reading. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm hopeful it comes back to them
Speaker 1: that we planted at an age where you know, sometimes
Speaker 1: you do go away from books because you've reading them
Speaker 1: for school and maybe you don't like the books you've
Speaker 1: been told to read. But I'm hoping it's it's inherent
Speaker 1: in them. It will come back. Yeah. I do like
Speaker 1: that it doesn't overtly demonize social media though, Like it's
Speaker 1: not like she's putting content out into the world people,
Speaker 1: she's not getting trolled, yea. And even the fact that
Speaker 1: like the Girls, they couldn't the versions of this movie
Speaker 1: were they're meaner, you know, like like the mean girls,
Speaker 1: you know, and and they they're not. They're really just
Speaker 1: ignoring her really like for them, they she doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: And yes, they could be nicer, but they're not. They're
Speaker 1: not trolling her, they're not playing jokes on her. It's
Speaker 1: and I thought that was a really clever move as well.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of smart choices, a lot of
Speaker 1: times where bo Burn has not taken.
Speaker 4: The easy option absolutely or just it's also honed in
Speaker 4: more like it inherently makes it more complicated because then you,
Speaker 4: as an audience member have to go, oh, well, they're
Speaker 4: not being mean, but they are completely ostracizing her, And
Speaker 4: if I was in that position, I would be totally
Speaker 4: upset and trying to Like, it makes you think about
Speaker 4: it more because the obvious is not happening consistently. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and just even that, like going back to this this
Speaker 4: car scene where she's getting driven home and a boy
Speaker 4: tries it on with her, you know, in the end
Speaker 4: he even like when she's apologizing and he's just kind
Speaker 4: of flipped it on his head, and that almost kind
Speaker 4: of made it light again too, because it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: like you're both just yt like I don't know, it's
Speaker 4: not like and that's really important to me. I think
Speaker 4: it's like important to talk about the little the little
Speaker 4: awkward bits that's like, that's not assault, it wasn't well.
Speaker 4: I think it's dependent on like everyone's it was perspectively different,
Speaker 4: but I don't. Like, I think it's really important talking
Speaker 4: about acknowledging that things can make you feel uncomfortable, but
Speaker 4: lines haven't been crossed or things haven't been taken away,
Speaker 4: or you've been abused or something has now happened to you.
Speaker 4: Like it's important to understand that things happen in the
Speaker 4: world and going, oh, that didn't make me feel good,
Speaker 4: but now I know that that doesn't make me feel good. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and so I can move from this.
Speaker 1: And there's a filmmaker and she's.
Speaker 4: Not damaged, Like that's what it's nice. She's not damaged,
Speaker 4: and that's so important, Like we don't need to see
Speaker 4: another thirteen year old like take drugs and then something
Speaker 4: awful happening to them and then burning all of their
Speaker 4: all of their bridges before they're even like eighteen. It's
Speaker 4: nice to just like someone who's just like having a
Speaker 4: bit of a crap time and it gets better, is lovely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we've seen the movies where they might you know,
Speaker 1: have sex before they wanted to or and then feel
Speaker 1: bad about afterwards. And it's like we've seen that, I
Speaker 1: think bo burn and makes a smart choice to not
Speaker 1: even have any kind of physical contact. He doesn't even
Speaker 1: lean in for a kiss or anything. But but it
Speaker 1: still makes the point that these are my boundaries. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the fact that she has to kind of then
Speaker 1: he's trying to kind of apologize to him, and he,
Speaker 1: you know, says a lot as well, let's have listened
Speaker 1: to this a little bit of that moment.
Speaker 7: Ah, okay, well, choose their dare.
Speaker 3: I think there?
Speaker 2: Oh kay?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Uh uh?
Speaker 7: Put this corder in your mouth? You yeah, sorry, that
Speaker 7: was gross. Ah okay, Well, like you know, uh what
Speaker 7: do you what do?
Speaker 2: What do you want to do?
Speaker 4: You know you can pick.
Speaker 5: H. I don't know ship.
Speaker 4: So much.
Speaker 3: I could take my shirt off.
Speaker 2: I mean that's stupid though, Is that stupid? Uh? No, No,
Speaker 2: that's fine. I feel like a fucking idiot.
Speaker 1: Is it fine if I take my shirt off?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: All right, I'm.
Speaker 3: Gonna do it.
Speaker 2: H truth are there? Uh uh uh?
Speaker 4: Truth?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 8: Fun?
Speaker 4: Uh sorry, okay.
Speaker 1: There, Yeah, and she she she does take a stay
Speaker 1: in and say no, I'm not I'm not comfortable doing this,
Speaker 1: and it's it's a really good performance by both of them.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the actor's name is, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so the intention, you know what the intention is,
Speaker 1: and you're kind of right, they're gond of go what
Speaker 1: it like? You know, what.
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: Okay? Like you know, like we're at the line, like
Speaker 1: what lines has he crossed? It's a it's a much
Speaker 1: of murky and youanced scene then just the obvious one
Speaker 1: of him, you know, forcing himself on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, and I think it's it's important to honor
Speaker 4: that like that. Yeah, like that is the age, Like
Speaker 4: that's kind of the age range that it does happen.
Speaker 4: And it's or just even like the boy that she
Speaker 4: has a crush on, like walking around like with the
Speaker 4: T shirt just like around his neck, or then just
Speaker 4: like he's playing a game and she's like, oh, I
Speaker 4: don't open this dirty picture? Really, what's it off? Just
Speaker 4: like it's so but there's still so much youth in it.
Speaker 4: I guess I didn't really have that experience as much
Speaker 4: with like felt like boys were a little bit more
Speaker 4: terrified of me because I was more so I don't
Speaker 4: think I kind of had that experience with bot, Like
Speaker 4: it was me and me being like, who wants to
Speaker 4: bliss in the bottle?
Speaker 2: Am I?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Am?
Speaker 3: I right?
Speaker 1: Crazy?
Speaker 4: Guys? But yeah, it just I don't it was it
Speaker 4: was so light and youthful and that like it was
Speaker 4: just it was really refreshing and that was really nice.
Speaker 4: And it don't like a it blasts you back into reminiscing,
Speaker 4: but it also is like quite accurate of what teens
Speaker 4: are still like today as well. Yeah, like it's still
Speaker 4: it managed to I mean, I don't know mine, my
Speaker 4: my nostalgia only goes not that far back, but yeah,
Speaker 4: I think it managed to balance that well. And I
Speaker 4: don't know if you feel like the best piece of
Speaker 4: advice I ever got for things I'm writing is trust
Speaker 4: that your audience are going to be as intelligent as
Speaker 4: you are. Like once you kind of let go of like,
Speaker 4: oh well, we have to explain this to the audio.
Speaker 4: You need to give them some exposition. They're funck, They're
Speaker 4: not gonna understand if we don't, so then you have
Speaker 4: to take all this time to like justify the story
Speaker 4: and it it's in a lot of cases I think
Speaker 4: sometimes it's helpful, like, for example, in this play, the
Speaker 4: exposition is very helpful that we're doing because it needs
Speaker 4: for the story. But obviously that's a very different comparison.
Speaker 4: But when you're doing something like this, they don't need
Speaker 4: to know. We're smart enough that we'll go, okay, well,
Speaker 4: it's probably because of this. Okay, it's probably because of this,
Speaker 4: And that's just like, I don't know, that was the
Speaker 4: best advice I've ever got when writing. It's like the
Speaker 4: producer might go, hang on, well, no, but this doesn't
Speaker 4: make sense, and it doesn't. If you just use your
Speaker 4: logical thinking, you will probably come to a conclusion that
Speaker 4: it might not be the answer. But isn't that exciting?
Speaker 4: Isn't it exciting that you're allowed to come into this
Speaker 4: a little bit. You don't know where her mum is,
Speaker 4: you don't know where the dad ends up, you don't
Speaker 4: know if she has If it gets much worse before
Speaker 4: it gets better again, you know, like this is just
Speaker 4: a tiny blip and it's up to you to then
Speaker 4: continue to mull over what that makes you feel. But
Speaker 4: if it's all kind of really played out, and lots
Speaker 4: of times when something really horrific happens, you kind of
Speaker 4: just then get stuck on that and it's not even
Speaker 4: then about the story or what has evolved and what
Speaker 4: this person has made you feel, or all her little
Speaker 4: tiny little arms and ahs, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they remind me that the body language that
Speaker 1: Elsie gives, that the hunts.
Speaker 4: Just even the shoulders and the arm kind of.
Speaker 1: You know, across her body, you know, and holding the
Speaker 1: other arm and scratching. You know, it is such so good.
Speaker 1: And I also loved again not an obvious choice, like
Speaker 1: when when she had the shadow day at the high
Speaker 1: school and she met Olivia, who was.
Speaker 4: Kind of like her but popular. Yeah, like she was
Speaker 4: awkward and.
Speaker 1: Was like immediately lovely, and you're kind of thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: she's going to let her down at some point, and
Speaker 1: she calls her that night, and you know, she does
Speaker 1: them all and then and and it's like the obvious
Speaker 1: thing is to kind of have her let her down.
Speaker 1: Like I was almost waiting for Elsie to overhear a
Speaker 1: conversation where they're having a go with her, you know,
Speaker 1: when they're bagging her, you know, well, have you bought
Speaker 1: this girl? And you know, and and and be let
Speaker 1: down by that. But Olivia doesn't let her down.
Speaker 4: And I think that's also the nice thing maybe, or
Speaker 4: what I really do appreciate about this is it's like
Speaker 4: a her faux confidence, but also her disdain towards herself
Speaker 4: is so personal, like no one is. And I think
Speaker 4: that's the thing, right, It's like, no one is actually
Speaker 4: thinking about you that much, No one cares that much,
Speaker 4: Like you're just the nice ninth grader that they've got,
Speaker 4: come on along, who's a bit shy. No one is
Speaker 4: thinking about eat any more than that. And that was
Speaker 4: really refreshing too. It's not like this completely ostracized for
Speaker 4: being a weirdo. It's just like, yeah, if you don't
Speaker 4: speak in class, and then if you do, something will
Speaker 4: happen and you don't. Yeah, it was good. It was
Speaker 4: a good movie. It was really it was nice and
Speaker 4: refreshing to watch this morning gave me a good like
Speaker 4: pep and it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It was nice and light but also tackled I think,
Speaker 4: checking in with yourself and your confidence and anxiety.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. It had you know, the performances. You know,
Speaker 1: she's so good, no good, I can't like it. I
Speaker 1: really believe it's in the ask a worthy performance, and
Speaker 1: then you have I mean, let's let's play when we
Speaker 1: first meet Gabe. No, this is not when we first
Speaker 1: meet Gabe. I don't think this is I think when
Speaker 1: the date he goes.
Speaker 4: Has the fish fingers and then every single source provided
Speaker 4: and oh what is that looking at? Oh? Yes, well actually,
Speaker 4: and that was even lovely too, because it's like those
Speaker 4: two boys, like the one she initially has a crush
Speaker 4: on seeing with his fucking gum oh my god, like
Speaker 4: monkeys anyways, but even human gay being the same mate,
Speaker 4: and that's totally just like it's such a fun like
Speaker 4: the tween area is so funny, right, and almost like
Speaker 4: being a young girl is funny too, because you are
Speaker 4: desired by this bizarre older boy who wants you to
Speaker 4: take his shirt off in the back of his car,
Speaker 4: and you also have a crush on this person who's
Speaker 4: like laid out identical fish fingers and does arm Marie,
Speaker 4: but actually think its pretty stupid, Like it's just yeah,
Speaker 4: it's those those two things can exist at once, and
Speaker 4: she can feel both comfortable and uncomfortable in both circumstances,
Speaker 4: and she tries to fit in and establish her place, and.
Speaker 1: Also like during this date, they kind of they kind
Speaker 1: of say, this is we're hanging out as friends, you know,
Speaker 1: like just to have that we don't we don't know again,
Speaker 1: we don't know if down the track and my turning
Speaker 1: to something something else, but let's have a listened to
Speaker 1: Gabe and Kayla.
Speaker 2: I've I've seen some of your videos. Oh those are
Speaker 2: really dumb.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, they're actually really cool.
Speaker 2: I love those videos. You're really you're really smart.
Speaker 3: About stuff, like you know a lot of things. Thanks.
Speaker 4: I was thinking you should maybe you can maybe have
Speaker 4: like your own talk show or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it might be weird that all you like.
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, good, I'm just nervous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, it's fine. I am yeah. Yeah, am
Speaker 2: I being like quiet or okay.
Speaker 6: You've been pretty talkative, but not in like an annoying way,
Speaker 6: just just responding to me here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a this is a good conversation, don't
Speaker 4: you think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're doing some good talking. Yeah, it's a nice chat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's it's so good. It's funny stuff
Speaker 1: all the way. Even when they the fact that when
Speaker 1: she finally approaches Gabe it's done during you know, basically
Speaker 1: a shooting drill that we mentioned earlier, like having that
Speaker 1: in there, This is great, I think. And then her
Speaker 1: with the banana stuff, are like eating the banana and
Speaker 1: then she like, I just.
Speaker 4: Remember and I'm sure your kids have done this to
Speaker 4: you too, like we're obviously doing something that we shouldn't
Speaker 4: or like we're embarrassed about something, and then we'll just
Speaker 4: lash it out on you, like it's all your fault
Speaker 4: just to find out I don't like banana, drink me,
Speaker 4: eat it.
Speaker 2: I did it.
Speaker 4: I've done that so many times, or coming in and
Speaker 4: Mum will.
Speaker 1: Be like, oh, fine, right, so you hate me? Is
Speaker 1: that right?
Speaker 3: Cool?
Speaker 1: And then the she's like a list of a list
Speaker 1: of things that she wants, you know, she wants to
Speaker 1: get a you know, a friend, a friend and a boyfriend. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: all you want. And you know, I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: I had exactly that list. Do stuff like that, and
Speaker 1: certainly rehearse conversations before you jump on.
Speaker 4: The phone, yeah, and that, like or we're just saying
Speaker 4: the bits that you want to say, like that, when
Speaker 4: she's in the she's I think she's in the bathroom
Speaker 4: and she's just going up and forth and back and
Speaker 4: forth and back and forth, but only kind of half
Speaker 4: saying or then getting embarrassed and restarting it. Like I
Speaker 4: remember all of that so much.
Speaker 1: It is nice as she finally does get to take
Speaker 1: out her aggression, we talk about the you know, the
Speaker 1: aggression she maybe but then she finally has, you know,
Speaker 1: on graduation day she goes up to the two girls
Speaker 1: who Kennedy and the other girl, and and she does
Speaker 1: have a bit of a government. Let's go and listen
Speaker 1: to this.
Speaker 8: Hey, I wrote you that letter thanking you for inviting
Speaker 8: me to your birthday party, and you didn't write back
Speaker 8: or anything.
Speaker 4: I didn't even get a DM on like.
Speaker 5: Instagram or whatever.
Speaker 8: And you know what, You're always mean to me, and
Speaker 8: I'm always nice to you, and being mean isn't nice.
Speaker 8: And when someone does something nice to you, you're supposed
Speaker 8: to be nice back. And you're always mean to me.
Speaker 8: And I know I'm like a good person because I'm
Speaker 8: always nice to you and you're just And also that
Speaker 8: card game I got you is like a really fun
Speaker 8: version of go fish or whatever, and you'd actually know
Speaker 8: if you played it instead of trying to be cool
Speaker 8: all the time. I don't know, it's it's like dumb
Speaker 8: or whatever, but you know it's dumb in a way
Speaker 8: that's fun to play when it's raining outside, and you
Speaker 8: know that if you stop trying to be cool all
Speaker 8: the time.
Speaker 1: Again, it's not like a it's name Mark drop moment,
Speaker 1: but it's at least her standing up for a phon.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there is something. I found the dialogue difficult
Speaker 4: at times, but that's just because I think in I
Speaker 4: just am okay, yeah, we get it, but we need
Speaker 4: more words. Now, please use more words. But at that point,
Speaker 4: like you just do because you've like you've fallen into
Speaker 4: her language. You know that she doesn't actually ever say
Speaker 4: what she means, and so you've got to read in
Speaker 4: between the lines of like her little insecure moments, and
Speaker 4: that's then when you figure out actually how she's gauging it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, she just.
Speaker 4: Played that like I just just wanted to give her
Speaker 4: a hugged the whole time. I just wanted to be like,
Speaker 4: come on, beb, like it's gonna be okay, like let's
Speaker 4: get this together.
Speaker 1: I'm the same way, and I think everyone who watches
Speaker 1: this film you just want her to win. So badly
Speaker 1: because when you're you're a parent, like when you send
Speaker 1: your kids off the school, like it is you literally
Speaker 1: have seen them. Like first you start with kindergarten and this, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's its own thing, and you are just pushing these
Speaker 1: kids into you know, who seem way too young, and
Speaker 1: it's not that you are literally watching them walk into
Speaker 1: the world, yeah, you know, and you're watching them through
Speaker 1: the you know, the the cyclone fencing and staying there
Speaker 1: for longer than you need to. And and then you
Speaker 1: send them to school where you feel that there's more
Speaker 1: danger potentially.
Speaker 4: Literally it's like it's so specific, like who picks who's
Speaker 4: the kill? Like what's cool for that? Like, and it's
Speaker 4: nothing you as a parent can do because it's just
Speaker 4: like you've just raised your child for them to be
Speaker 4: themselves right and to like love who that person is,
Speaker 4: and then immediately there's a huge chance they'll be ostracized
Speaker 4: for that. Yeah, so then how do.
Speaker 1: You Yeah, one of our kids, he was my oldest kid,
Speaker 1: you know, he's twenty two now and he's got great
Speaker 1: bunch of mates. But it took him a while in
Speaker 1: prep to find you know, his mate, you know, and
Speaker 1: it was really kind of you know, like just you know,
Speaker 1: it took us a while to maybe to realize that,
Speaker 1: you know, he's doesn't seem to be finding his mates yet,
Speaker 1: and there's a small, very small window of a time
Speaker 1: where we thought he might have been being bullied, and
Speaker 1: it's just like, it's just no other feeling I've had
Speaker 1: is he feel so hopeless and helpless and it's an awful,
Speaker 1: awful feeling. And I'm so relieved that my three boys
Speaker 1: have found great friendship groups, but that feeling stays with me.
Speaker 1: So when we get to this scene with the dad,
Speaker 1: I just lost it. I just was for all my
Speaker 1: own experiences with kids, all the feelings I had, the
Speaker 1: hopes that I had for them, and I.
Speaker 4: Just also loved that it's set up, sorry to interrupt,
Speaker 4: when she they're at the bonfire and he's like, what
Speaker 4: are you burning, She's like, oh, just all my hopes.
Speaker 1: And dreams, hopes and dreams because it's it's this uh
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, so it's but it's a what do
Speaker 1: you call a time capsule. Yeah, the releasing and it's
Speaker 1: in the shoe box and it's got the Coolest Girl
Speaker 1: in the World written on, which I just fucking love
Speaker 1: like that's exactly what she wants to be, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's a message to her future self.
Speaker 4: And and then even that, her next time capsule was
Speaker 4: more like, are you this But it's okay if not, Like,
Speaker 4: it's okay if you don't.
Speaker 1: But she also has the coolest girl in the world
Speaker 1: just done the same thing. So it's her owning it,
Speaker 1: which is really cool. Yeah, I really love it. So
Speaker 1: let's have a listen. We gonn play this in two parts?
Speaker 1: This is this is It's got me. I just for
Speaker 1: are you poor? Thing? Like like this is where Kayla is.
Speaker 4: So this is what she's talking about, my child devastating.
Speaker 2: Do I make you sad? What?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No, not at all, not at all.
Speaker 1: Why do I seem sad?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 1: Why would you think you make me sad?
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's just it's just.
Speaker 2: Sometimes, you know, I think that when I'm older, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe i'll have a daughter on my own or something.
Speaker 2: And I feel like, you know, if she was like me,
Speaker 2: then being her mom would make me sad all the time,
Speaker 2: because like, you know, i'd love her because she's my daughter,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 6: But I don't know, I just.
Speaker 2: I think if she turned out like me, that being
Speaker 2: her mom would make me really sad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that's that's devastating. That here that she has
Speaker 1: thought about becoming a parent and having herself as her
Speaker 1: daughter and how she would view herself as as a
Speaker 1: mom might like that, you, I guess when you you know,
Speaker 1: you want your kids, of course to be popular and
Speaker 1: to be a version of their uncool whatever that might be.
Speaker 1: And you want them to be good at sport and
Speaker 1: good at music and good reader. You have this like yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you know these made up listening to your
Speaker 1: own head of because you just want your kids to
Speaker 1: have options and to be confident and and and I
Speaker 1: guess she's seeing herself and as as almost none of
Speaker 1: those things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I guess it's also that thing of like
Speaker 4: the thing that is so important to her at that time,
Speaker 4: his popularity where it's like you've become an adult and
Speaker 4: go well, like even as the dad said, he says,
Speaker 4: like all of your teachers think you're a wonderful person.
Speaker 4: Like like again, it's that actually realizing that, yeah, being
Speaker 4: a good person is more important than being popular.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well liked yeah, well, which is absolutely true.
Speaker 1: And then the response and it's it's a it's a
Speaker 1: scene that goes for six or seven minutes, so obviously
Speaker 1: we can't play play over. But this, this scene is
Speaker 1: why I love movies. I think like this, having moments
Speaker 1: and and things reflected that are universal, that her heartfelt.
Speaker 1: But you've never seen it done like this before. The
Speaker 1: performances by again, we're sweying so much about Elsie Fisher,
Speaker 1: but the performance by Josh Hamillon, who I don't know.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him before, and I haven't seen him since.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's been a heap of stuff, but it's
Speaker 1: just it's so grounded and true. And this is his
Speaker 1: response to Kayla.
Speaker 2: Can you made me brave?
Speaker 1: And if you could just see yourself how I see you,
Speaker 1: which is how you are, how you really are, how
Speaker 1: you always have been.
Speaker 2: I swear to God you wouldn't be scared either.
Speaker 1: So what I love about it is he finally gets
Speaker 1: to say what he wants and it comes out right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it comes out kind of pretty perfect exactly. And when
Speaker 1: she said, when she then gets up and basically jumps
Speaker 1: on him into his arms, that's when I just it's
Speaker 1: just like finally, because there are you know, I remember
Speaker 1: you know, around this time, my boys they all went
Speaker 1: through the same thing where they kind of disappeared, you know,
Speaker 1: like not completely speit obviously, but they became these grumpy
Speaker 1: a versions. You know, they kind of spoke to their
Speaker 1: you know, to their chests, you know, and and we
Speaker 1: you know, I remember somebody's saying who had kids a
Speaker 1: bit older the mind that you just have to be
Speaker 1: there for them and love them and support them because
Speaker 1: they're literally their brains that are not connected yet, Like
Speaker 1: there's the frontal lobe in the backward logan, they're not
Speaker 1: there's there's this mushy bit in the middle, and their
Speaker 1: brains are a bit.
Speaker 4: Mushy, and they're not they don't have that life experience yet.
Speaker 4: So everything is so selfish and personal and direct, like
Speaker 4: there's no greater world kind of nuance in like, yeah,
Speaker 4: their their privilege or their you know what actually like
Speaker 4: is the life they're living compared to how the rest
Speaker 4: of them, Like it's just so all about me. Woe
Speaker 4: is me? This is happening to me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember my oldest spoiled lamb, you know, like
Speaker 1: he went through this stage because it was the first
Speaker 1: time he you know, our first child and see them
Speaker 1: go through this period of their lives, you know, you
Speaker 1: a bit more worried. And and he had allergies and
Speaker 1: asthma and all these other things on top of that,
Speaker 1: and we're like, Hobe, he's okay. And and and then
Speaker 1: one day this bounded down the stairs, like it's a
Speaker 1: different person.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like, oh, it's trusting that, Like it's I
Speaker 4: guess it's just that giving them the space to grow.
Speaker 4: And you know, you've taught the tools young and they
Speaker 4: then use those tools.
Speaker 1: Yep. Absolutely, some quick fun facts before we wrap this up,
Speaker 1: because we've got a play to dude, damn.
Speaker 4: It, we're to entertain We've got a player down.
Speaker 1: A play to do. The original working title was the
Speaker 1: Coolest Girl in the World. That was the original title
Speaker 1: for the film. Initially in the script, they had Kaylee
Speaker 1: using Facebook to kind of connect with people, but Elsie said,
Speaker 1: nobody uses Facebook, so they changed it to Instagram and snapchat.
Speaker 1: They wanted to. They approached Apple to provide phones for them,
Speaker 1: but Apple have a rule where you probably know this
Speaker 1: because you've created the series and made stuff, but you
Speaker 1: basically can't break Apple products in your in your production.
Speaker 1: And he wanted the smash phone, so so they used
Speaker 1: to use cruise iPads and and so that's how they
Speaker 1: did that. And Elsie Fisher finally made this movie and
Speaker 1: then or did for her high school play and missed out.
Speaker 1: I'm getting it. So if you listening to this and
Speaker 1: you don't get that job where you don't get that part,
Speaker 1: if you're an actor, don't worry.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't stress.
Speaker 1: Don't stress about it. The next one is around the corner,
Speaker 1: Olivia Debel, It's been an absolute joy. Thanks for having
Speaker 1: me my pleasure. I didn't I meant to mention this
Speaker 1: in the In the train you referred to your your
Speaker 1: mum a couple of times, but you come from an
Speaker 1: acting dynasty. I've worked with your think grandmother and she
Speaker 1: reminded you in the she was on an episode of
Speaker 1: it today. She was a fantastic Your mom's amazing, but
Speaker 1: you're I told you this a.
Speaker 4: While ago in prisone rehearsing in Brisbane.
Speaker 1: Your grandfather is an absolute icon. Reg Gorman was in
Speaker 1: The Sullivans and which is almost like the first TV
Speaker 1: show I remember watching, and he what a legend he was.
Speaker 1: I know he passed it a few years ago, but
Speaker 1: he knowed that he would have had a big influence.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh huge, huge. I remember once he had this
Speaker 4: because he was like, he's kind of one of the
Speaker 4: last people to do that Vaudevillion slapstick kind of live.
Speaker 4: I mean for a little bit. Obviously we were working
Speaker 4: with Colin Lane for God's sake, but he had this
Speaker 4: like stand up called hanging On to Vaudeville, and I remember,
Speaker 4: I don't remember the story gets told to me that
Speaker 4: like he asked someone to come up and at three
Speaker 4: years old, I ran up onto the stage and then
Speaker 4: did patter with him. So it's run deep for a
Speaker 4: long time.
Speaker 1: And you are playing it all out now exactly actually right,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely killing it. And congratulations on you getting a
Speaker 1: series more than this on Paramount. Plus it's making stuff
Speaker 1: as much as there's a lot of you know, there's
Speaker 1: I remember when all the streaming services coming coming in,
Speaker 1: everyone was like, oh great, there's gonna be so much opportunity.
Speaker 1: That makes up it's still so hard to make stuff.
Speaker 4: Oh that's almost harder. Someone say, yeah, most harder.
Speaker 1: I think I think that's true. So congratulations, and like
Speaker 1: I said, congratulations on your role in Peed and A
Speaker 1: Star Catcher. And we've still got three more cities to
Speaker 1: get to, Adelaide, Sydney and Brisbane coming to you in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. Get your tickets now. Olivia Devil, Gucci, Gucci.
Speaker 1: There you have it, Olivia Deevil, fantastic young actor, creator
Speaker 1: and having a ball working with her on Peter and
Speaker 1: a Star Catcher. And like I said in the chat,
Speaker 1: you can catch her series more than this on Paramount Plus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my kids were very excited when I told him that
Speaker 1: Olivia was in peed in the Star Catch and I
Speaker 1: was working with her because I got big little lunch fans,
Speaker 1: and my sister still loves Home and Away and she
Speaker 1: was pretty excited about raf or Raffi being on the
Speaker 1: show as well. So she's been a real joy to
Speaker 1: work with. The very talented woman. I loved eighth Grade,
Speaker 1: I really and this kind of falls I think this
Speaker 1: episode falls in. You could argue is it a classic?
Speaker 1: Is it beloved? I don't know, but I think it's
Speaker 1: a film that people should see. So if you have kids,
Speaker 1: I think watch it with your kids. I think it's
Speaker 1: I think it's an important film to be honest, It's
Speaker 1: actually was r rated for reasons that I don't completely
Speaker 1: understand in America, but some cinemas were allowing parents to
Speaker 1: bring their kids because they believe that it was an
Speaker 1: important film for parents to watch with their kids. So
Speaker 1: do check it out. It is available on Netflix. Eighth
Speaker 1: grade by Bo Burnham. Thank you for everyone obviously listening.
Speaker 1: As always, you can support the podcast by giving a
Speaker 1: review on iTunes. I recommend five stars as well. It
Speaker 1: keeps the algorithm moving in the right direction. Next on
Speaker 1: the show, another very talented woman. I've worked with her
Speaker 1: a lot behind the scenes. She's a great writer. I
Speaker 1: met her when I was in the project. Always wrote
Speaker 1: great stuff. She's also worked on the weekly with Charlie Pickering.
Speaker 1: Maggie Look will be joining us next week. I really
Speaker 1: love Maggie. She's great. She's the partner of Ben Russell.
Speaker 1: They are fantastic and they often do improvisation stuff together.
Speaker 1: So she's a comedian, she's a writer, an actress. She's
Speaker 1: just great. And we're gonna be going deep next week,
Speaker 1: deep and mysterious and weird and bizarre. We are doing
Speaker 1: David Lynch's My holand Drive, My holand Drive. Starting her
Speaker 1: very own Naomi watts. That'll be next week and you
Speaker 1: ain't see nothing yet until then. Back an out and
Speaker 1: so we leave all Pete save Van sal And to
Speaker 1: our friends of the radio audience, we've the pleasant, good time.