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Speaker 1: Welcome back to The Female Athlete Project. My name is

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Speaker 1: Sophie and I'm the producer here at Teavat. Before we

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Speaker 1: jump in to today's episode, I'm here to let you

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Speaker 1: what will be an epic game of footing. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining us for a special episode today where Chloe

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Speaker 1: interviews Australia's Minister for Sport in the lead up to

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five Australian federal election. For full transparency,

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Speaker 1: the Female Athlete Project was approached by the Minister for

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Speaker 1: Sports office for this interview. The Minister was not provided

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Speaker 1: with any view questions beforehand and was only briefed on

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Speaker 1: the broad topics we wanted to discuss within her sports portfolio.

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Speaker 1: The Female Athlete Project also reached out to the Shadow

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Speaker 1: Minister for Sport, who expressed a keen interest in coming

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Speaker 1: on the podcast and being interviewed by Chloe. However, at

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Speaker 1: the time this episode drops, we are yet to hear

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Speaker 1: back from the Shadow Minister regarding her availability, despite multiple

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Speaker 1: attempts to arrange the interview. Thank you for understanding that

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Speaker 1: tefapp strives to provide you with transparency around the political

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Speaker 1: side of women's sports. Annika Wells was born and raised

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Speaker 1: in Queensland. She grew up playing many sports, including netbull,

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Speaker 1: touch football, tennis, and was even a gymnast. While she

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Speaker 1: spent the early years of her career practicing as a lawyer.

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Speaker 1: When her daughter was born, she decided she wanted to

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Speaker 1: make the world a better place for her and ran

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Speaker 1: for her local seat Lily in twenty nineteen. Wells became

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Speaker 1: Australia's youngest female MP when she was elected to Parliament.

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Speaker 1: She is currently the Minister for Age Karen Sport and

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Speaker 1: has a particular love for the way that sports makes

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Speaker 1: you want to hog strangers. Chloe chats with ANAKA about

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Speaker 1: a variety of the Australian government's policies that affect women

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Speaker 1: in sport, including play our Way, Sport, diplomacy and Sports Horizon.

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Speaker 1: Chloe and Attaka also chat all things tillies, wallaroos, diamonds

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Speaker 1: and of course the twenty thirty two Brisbane Olympic Games.

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Speaker 1: We hope you enjoyed this.

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Speaker 3: Episode, Federal Minister for Sport Anaka, Well's welcome to the

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Speaker 3: Female Athlete Project with you.

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Speaker 2: Such a pleasure.

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Speaker 3: I'm really looking forward to having a chat today. Can

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Speaker 3: you take us back You're very, very busy at the moment,

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Speaker 3: but can you take us back to Anako as a

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Speaker 3: little kid. Where did your love for sport come from?

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Speaker 4: I probably couldn't pick a single moment, but I think,

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Speaker 4: like countless Australian families, to sport was part of everything

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Speaker 4: that we did. Dad is Victorian, so we are slightly unusual.

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Speaker 4: We were in the eighties unusual for a Queensland household

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Speaker 2: So, and he was. He was a Carlton supporter.

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Speaker 4: They all switch when they get north of the border,

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Speaker 4: in primary school, artistic gymnastics until I grew too tall,

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Speaker 2: And like It's one of those sort of.

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Speaker 4: Markers in my life that I'm sure drives me in

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Speaker 2: Those girls are.

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Speaker 4: Having those kinds of experiences exicle day, and what can

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Speaker 3: And that gymnastic experience, I'm sorry that happened. Pretty it's

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Speaker 3: If you kind of reflect back to being a young person,

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Speaker 3: Did you picture that you might one day become a politician.

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Speaker 4: I never thought that I was going to be a politician.

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Speaker 4: you can't pick aside that would impair your ability to

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Speaker 4: this was going to be a real mic drop conversation. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they just said, yeah, we're not. We've been waiting for

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Speaker 4: And I think that's because I'm very average at sport.

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Speaker 4: You know, I did all those sports, but I never

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Speaker 4: it was okay to enjoy sport strange enjoyed sport, but

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Speaker 4: and I just thought that was so ironic that one

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Speaker 4: I think park run's really great for people. It's almost

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Speaker 4: Is that to track how people's lives are going. You

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Speaker 4: her thirties. Blah blah blah. See between Kieran and I,

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Speaker 4: I always have a crack when people when sports have

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Speaker 2: It's fine.

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Speaker 3: I love that and we actually chatted off. It's one

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Speaker 3: So I love that there's an opportunity to open up

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's so many people that surround an elite athlete,

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Speaker 4: our national sporting strategy. When you think about, yes, there's

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Speaker 4: But there's a place for you at Brisbane twenty thirty two,

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Speaker 4: So I was fifteen give the Sydney thousand Olympics and

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Speaker 4: And that's where I felt most aligned because I wasn't

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Speaker 3: step back. You kind of talked about telling your parents

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Speaker 4: So a couple of things happened to me in the

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Speaker 2: I was trying to have my first baby that was difficult.

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Speaker 2: So play our way again.

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Speaker 4: It was something that I was hoping to make possible,

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Speaker 4: the Minister was set aside my ability to pick and

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Speaker 4: choose the winners, and I set up elite athletes and

442
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Speaker 4: highly respected female athletes like Lauren Jackson, like Lazelle's and

443
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Speaker 4: they made decisions around which projects and the other thing

444
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Speaker 4: we did was made very clear that we were not

445
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Speaker 4: just going to.

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Speaker 2: Fund new change roops out of this. We wanted to

447
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Speaker 2: see cultural change.

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Speaker 4: So what we asked people to do was to pitch

449
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Speaker 4: us how funding their project would generate cultural their club.

450
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Speaker 4: So examples were like, are you going to guarantee that

451
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Speaker 4: the girls teams get the same premium space on your

452
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Speaker 4: best fields and the best times They're not going to

453
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Speaker 4: be trapped at dusk with no lights or in the

454
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Speaker 4: cut up field whilst you prioritize your best men's team.

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Speaker 4: You tell us what policies and practices you're going to

456
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Speaker 4: put in place if you get this money, and so

457
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Speaker 4: we're hoping it would really turbocharge cultural change. And the

458
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Speaker 4: other thing we tried to do was to say, you're

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Speaker 4: the expert. You tell us, like, what is stopping women

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Speaker 4: and girls from coming to your club. Is it that

461
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Speaker 4: you are in a regional area that doesn't have public

462
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Speaker 4: transport and you need a bus to pick people up

463
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Speaker 4: and bring them and take them home again. Is it

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Speaker 4: that you don't have lights and you would be able

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Speaker 4: to double the amount of field time for people if

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Speaker 4: you had lights. Is it that actually you don't have

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Speaker 4: a female change room and you need a female change room.

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Speaker 4: So that's we announced the rounds in December. Those contracts

469
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Speaker 4: being rolled out. Some of them have already finished. Like

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Speaker 4: I was just at Melbourne Storm yesterday. They wanted to

471
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Speaker 4: past program that's already finished its first round. Yeah wow,

472
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Speaker 4: and they I think they said they've had thirty four

473
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Speaker 4: female refs come through as a result of the Play

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Speaker 4: our Way funding. And for us, that's a big problem

475
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Speaker 4: because our female coaches were still at less than twenty

476
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Speaker 4: percent of coaches who went to Paris were female, despite

477
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Speaker 4: the fact that our female athletes dominated the medal talent yeah,

478
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Speaker 4: they did, So we want to make sure that those

479
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Speaker 4: kinds of things being prioritized back in our sporting ecosystem here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. That I thought that Melbourne Storm one was really

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Speaker 3: interesting because again it comes back to this bigger picture

482
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Speaker 3: of sport. It's the funding for athletes and their facilities

483
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Speaker 3: is obviously very important, but I think pathways and opportunities

484
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Speaker 3: for women to be involved in roles that aren't just

485
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Speaker 3: as the athletes are so vital, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, And another one I was at a different

487
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Speaker 4: part of Melbourne, but they're play our way. Money is

488
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Speaker 4: funding women to learn to swim. A lot of people

489
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Speaker 4: come to this country not from places where you needed

490
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Speaker 4: to swim. They've now got kids growing up here. The

491
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Speaker 4: kids are getting lessons, they're not learning to swim. But

492
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Speaker 4: you know, if their kids want into trouble, they're still going.

493
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Speaker 2: To throw themselves in the pool to try and say

494
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Speaker 2: their kids.

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Speaker 4: So to do that in a way that it's culturally appropriate,

496
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Speaker 4: they sort of close off the pool on a Sunday night,

497
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Speaker 4: allow people to wear culturally appropriate dress or just be

498
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Speaker 4: in a women's only space, teach them to swim.

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Speaker 2: So these are the kinds.

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Speaker 4: Of things that butt for play our way wouldn't be

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Speaker 4: happening in the numbers that we're seeing and hopefully that

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Speaker 4: then drives more participation forever.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when we talk about sport, there's obviously kind of

504
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Speaker 3: the big codes with AFLW, NLW, we've got Day League

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Speaker 3: Women's and obviously off the back of the Matilda's in

506
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Speaker 3: the World Cup, that's a big part of that discussion.

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Speaker 3: How do you address when there's these smaller, potentially more

508
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Speaker 3: niche sports and how do they get funded compared to

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Speaker 3: these big, big name codes.

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Speaker 4: Yes, So the Australian Sport Commission, which is how the

511
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Speaker 4: federal government federal tax payer funds sport in the country,

512
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Speaker 4: looks after ninety seven different national sporting organizations and that

513
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Speaker 4: takes you from archery through to weightlifting and we fund

514
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Speaker 4: that according to sort of a criteria and that's how

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Speaker 4: those sports exist.

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Speaker 2: Essentially.

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Speaker 4: The pro codes obviously have their own commercial streams and

518
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Speaker 4: you know, like Football Australia, they would receive money through

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Speaker 4: with the strange Sport Commission because they have huge grassroots

520
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Speaker 4: soccer contingent and we love that, but they're also you know,

521
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Speaker 4: the A League obviously is entirely separate and has well

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Speaker 4: documented commercial funding challenges, so I.

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Speaker 2: Think that the.

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Speaker 4: Difficulty is as Sport Minister, it is rare that I

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Speaker 4: get a pitch that is unworthy.

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Speaker 2: You know, everyone's trying to do good things in sport.

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Speaker 4: Everyone if they got I mean people still come to

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Speaker 4: see me about sport instructure, even though it is Minister

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Speaker 4: King's decision. Everyone's got an idea that would make their

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Speaker 4: club better. And sports clubs are like little towns, you know,

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Speaker 4: they like their own community and particularly in regions, they're

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Speaker 4: the life blight of community. So it's rare that you

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Speaker 4: get pitched something that is unworthy. But we don't have

534
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Speaker 4: infinite dollars and even though we're at landmarks sport funding,

535
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Speaker 4: we funded almost a billion dollars for Australian sport last year,

536
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Speaker 4: which looks like the two hundred million dollars Play our Way,

537
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Speaker 4: which looks like the four hundred and ninellion dollars High Performance,

538
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Speaker 4: and the two hundred and fifty dollars million dollars in

539
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Speaker 4: revitalizing the AIS, which we just have to do because

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Speaker 4: there's an equity argument that you know, you're a kid

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Speaker 4: from any part of the country and the AS is

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Speaker 4: your pathway to high performance if you don't happen to

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Speaker 4: live in inner city Sydney with access to the best

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Speaker 4: facilities nearby. So we did all those things because that's

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Speaker 4: what helps us get to the best possible outcome for

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Speaker 4: everyone at Brisbane twenty thirty two. Whilst those of individual

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Speaker 4: projects that always crop up are things that we can

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Speaker 4: fund further in the sequence, but we had to get

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Speaker 4: those kind of essentials right now.

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Speaker 3: On that billion dollars. We get comments. They're rare because

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Speaker 3: we've got quite an incredible community with the Female Athlete Project.

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Speaker 3: We get comments from some people who kind of will

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Speaker 3: see this amazing announcement that we might share of funding

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Speaker 3: in different sporting streams, and people say, well, what about

555
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Speaker 3: the host of living crisis, sorry, and the housing crisis.

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Speaker 3: Why are we putting so much money into sport. I

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Speaker 3: know as an athlete why sport is so important and

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Speaker 3: the work that we do at the Female Athlete Project.

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Speaker 3: I'm such a huge believer in the power of women's sport,

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Speaker 3: in particular in shaping attitudes. But what do you say

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Speaker 3: to people like that about the power of sport and

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Speaker 3: why it is so important to invest in sport.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think we've got a great record of sport

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Speaker 4: funding this term. The Prime Minister has been so supportive

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Speaker 4: of driving women's sport in particular, and you can see

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Speaker 4: that in the funding outcomes that we've achieved.

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Speaker 2: But I think that's right.

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Speaker 4: And whenever people come to complain that we haven't funded

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Speaker 4: their center of excellence or their home of whomever, so

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Speaker 4: say like it is a question of what federal taxpayers

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Speaker 4: prepared to pay. And you would have seen massive stash

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Speaker 4: over venues for Brisbane twenty thirty two. Yes, that's a

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Speaker 4: question of how much taxpayers are prepared to pay. And

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Speaker 4: like you say, with the cost of living crisis, people

575
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Speaker 4: have been saying they want money directed elsewhere in a

576
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Speaker 4: world where there's never enough money to spend on all

577
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Speaker 4: the things that we would like to spend money on.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's obviously economic benefits out of sport, but

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Speaker 4: I think and I know the Prime Minister shares this view,

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Speaker 4: there's a huge preventative health benefit in sport and that's

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Speaker 4: why sports sits under the Department of Health. And that's

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Speaker 4: why I'm the Age Care and Sport Minister, because sport

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Speaker 4: and age care are the two junior portfolios under the

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Speaker 4: Health Ministry. Mark Butler is the senior Health Minister, so

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Speaker 4: I started this term as the junior minister. We're in

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Speaker 4: charge of age care and sport under Health. But in

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Speaker 4: January this year the Prime Minister promoted me to the cabinet,

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Speaker 4: so currently sport is back at the cabinet table.

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Speaker 3: Let's chat Brisbane twenty thirty two and there has been

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Speaker 3: a lot of public discussion around the stadiums.

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Speaker 2: Where does that?

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Speaker 3: Where does that sit now?

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Speaker 4: Well, the I mean, I think it should be worth

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Speaker 4: it's worth noting that since Brisbane twenty thirty two was

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Speaker 4: bid for and succeeded, we have now been through two

596
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Speaker 4: governments at state and two governments at federal level. So

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Speaker 4: just that in itself creates an inertia. And the newly

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Speaker 4: elected state LNP government, Christophilie government has now handed down

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Speaker 4: its new venues plan and the reality is we are

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Speaker 4: we are at a time like we don't have any

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Speaker 4: more time to re prosecute, realtigate. And I would say

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Speaker 4: we've now been through three versions of venues plans and

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Speaker 4: each have their merits and each have their flaws.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we've.

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Speaker 4: Seen any of the three plans through now that have

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Speaker 4: been considered flawless, and that's probably the.

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Speaker 2: Nature of the game.

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Speaker 4: But it just takes a long time to build these

609
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Speaker 4: huge piece so we have to get going and I

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Speaker 4: think everyone appreciates that. And the other thing I guess

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Speaker 4: is that there's a huge pipeline of people who want

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Speaker 4: to use Brisbane twenty thirty two to do other good things,

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Speaker 4: and we really can't turn our minds to those things

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Speaker 4: until all the foundation pieces are bettered down. So the

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Speaker 4: other thing is that the Chryzfly government's venue plan got

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Speaker 4: handed down on Federal Budget Day, which for us was

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Speaker 4: busy and somewhat That was Tuesday, and then the Prime

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Speaker 4: Minister called the federal election on the friday and we

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Speaker 4: entered caretake US, so a caretaker convention for aspiring os

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Speaker 4: poor people listening. It means that you can't make decisions

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Speaker 4: as a government that would be binding on a subsequent government.

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Speaker 4: So it just means that we really can't do anything

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Speaker 4: meaningful until a new ministry is sworn in, be it

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Speaker 4: a second Albanese ministry or being a Dunton ministry. So

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Speaker 4: at the moment, we've just asked for a bunch of

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Speaker 4: information because the sort of the specifics worn't available. Details

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Speaker 4: weren't available, and we need that to be able to

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Speaker 4: make sure that it is value for money the federal

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Speaker 4: government is contributing. I mean, it's almost twenty billion dollars

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Speaker 4: when you put together the twelve point four billion for

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Speaker 4: transport infrastructure which is Games related but obviously just blot

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Speaker 4: out beneficial transport instructure for Queensland venue infrastructure which is

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Speaker 4: three and a half billion, and then the almost a

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Speaker 4: billion dollars that we've put in the sport ecosystem for

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Speaker 4: the people that we're trying to get to the Games.

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Speaker 2: So it's a huge, huge.

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Speaker 4: Contribution that by contrast Sydney two thousand, I think the

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Speaker 4: Fed's put in two hundred and fifty million. It was carrying.

639
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 4: It was borne by the state government. So and that's

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Speaker 4: because we know we love Brisbane twenty thirty two. But

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Speaker 4: we want all Australians, no matter whether you live in

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Speaker 4: Caratha or Condomine, to feel a sense of ownership and

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Speaker 4: like they have a stake and that they will receive

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Speaker 4: some dividends. And when I talk to state sports ministers

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Speaker 4: about that, I convene a National Sports Minister's meeting will

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Speaker 4: be all together and I sort of said, you know,

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Speaker 4: what do you need at Brisbane to twenty thirty two

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Speaker 4: for your people to feel like it's success. The consistent

649
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Speaker 4: answer is we want the biggest ever Tazzy delegation or

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Speaker 4: you know, we want the biggest ever gold medal hall

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Speaker 4: for West Australians. So that means that we need our

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Speaker 4: participation in our high performance programs shmick now so that

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Speaker 4: those athletes have that shot.

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Speaker 3: It's quite crazy to think it's what seven years away?

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Speaker 3: Are we at seven years? I was chatting to so If,

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Speaker 3: my producer ahead of this interview, and she was like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: they're going to be teenagers now. A lot of the

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Speaker 3: athletes will be competing in Brucebane. And I was like,

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Speaker 3: so if it's like ten years away, I was like, no,

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Speaker 3: it's a lot sooner.

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Speaker 2: Actually yeah, no shout out.

662
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Speaker 3: But oh my gosh, Australian Athletics at the moment that

663
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Speaker 3: is out on fire.

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Speaker 2: But what haunts me is that, I mean, goat gad.

665
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Speaker 4: He and his team are doing everything that they can obviously,

666
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Speaker 4: but who else is out there that we don't know

667
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 4: about because they live somewhere that they haven't been you know,

668
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 4: passed the eye of someone who can help them on

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Speaker 4: their way, and we just want to catch that as

670
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Speaker 4: much as we can and give those kids because you're right,

671
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 4: like the average Olympian I don't know about twenty. I

672
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 4: think a bit older for the Paralympians, but the average

673
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Speaker 4: Olympian is twenty three. Yeah, and if we're seven years out,

674
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Speaker 4: that means they're sixteen.

675
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Speaker 3: And how do you approach that in your role? Those

676
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 3: pathways for those teenagers who we hope will be competing

677
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Speaker 3: at Brisbane.

678
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Speaker 4: So we boosted funding to sporting schools again because that

679
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 4: gives people the chance to dip their toe in the

680
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 4: water at school and we have, like I said, record

681
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Speaker 4: funding for participation and for high performance, huge boosts to

682
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Speaker 4: individual sports to give them that shot.

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Speaker 3: When we chat Brisbane twenty thirty to the Paralympics obviously

684
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Speaker 3: a very very big part of that. Earlier this year

685
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Speaker 3: you announced the Athlete Barrier Fund. Can you tell us

686
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Speaker 3: what this is?

687
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Speaker 4: Oh? This was I'm really really proud that we were

688
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Speaker 4: able to do this one. We doubled the funding for Paralympians,

689
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Speaker 4: so obviously they have the same cycle four year cycle

690
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Speaker 4: as Olympians, but without nearly the funding. Traditionally and it's

691
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 4: still not equitable, and let me be the first to

692
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 4: say there's still a long way to go, but it

693
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Speaker 4: shifted it to much closer to equity.

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Speaker 2: And I think.

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Speaker 4: The we know that three out of four people with

696
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 4: disability want to play sport, but only one out of

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Speaker 4: four do, and you know it helps us all if

698
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 4: we can change that. And in City two thousand we

699
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 4: actually topped the Paralympics medal tally in Australia, but we

700
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Speaker 4: came in Paris and we should get back to number

701
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 4: one for Brisbane. There's no reason why we can't do that.

702
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Speaker 4: And I want to be part of the public policy

703
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 4: solution that got us there. The Paralympians, they're one of

704
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Speaker 4: our most beloved sporting teams and they have had a

705
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Speaker 4: huge uptick in common try days and participation since Paris,

706
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Speaker 4: and we want to back them.

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Speaker 3: You from what I understand, you surveyed the athletes before this.

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Speaker 3: What was some of the biggest barriers that were identified

709
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Speaker 3: for these para athletes.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think you need a support crew to do

711
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Speaker 4: I mean, particularly when you think about some sports like bocher,

712
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 4: which you know some of our most profoundly disabled athletes

713
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 4: participated in things like butcher. Do you live near somewhere

714
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 4: that's offering the chance to come and try butcher? So firstly,

715
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 4: there's that opportunity and unlike I mean, you could probably

716
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 4: make this argument both ways. But obviously we've got the

717
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Speaker 4: AIS that is the national center of excellence for Paralympics

718
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Speaker 4: as it is for Olympics. But it's harder for you

719
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Speaker 4: if you are someone with a disability and you rely

720
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Speaker 4: upon a support team to do what you need to

721
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 4: do day to day, to then pick up alone and

722
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Speaker 4: move to Canberra for that, or to pick up your

723
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 4: whole crew and move to Canberra for that. So it

724
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 4: just looks more decentralized, which means it's harder to fund,

725
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 4: and it's harder to support, which just means we need

726
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 4: to do more to help them because we all benefit

727
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 4: when it goes well.

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Speaker 3: You touch on the equity of funding. So according to

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Speaker 3: the AC, total amount of funding giving to sporting organizations

730
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Speaker 3: versus disability sporting organizations was two hundred and ten compared

731
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Speaker 3: to about twenty million. So we know the great progress

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Speaker 3: is being made, but how do you continue that and

733
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Speaker 3: in the long term to narrow that gap?

734
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Speaker 2: That's right, I mean I hope I have the opportunity.

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Speaker 4: I hope that the Abanese government is re elected, and

736
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Speaker 4: I hope if we are re elected, that I have

737
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Speaker 4: the opportunity to stay on as the Sport Minister and

738
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Speaker 4: that we can keep pushing this agenda because I think

739
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 4: such good public policy outcomes for the public policy enthusiasts

740
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 4: among you, but also it just lights the fire. Sport

741
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 4: makes us want to hug strangers. Athletes give us those

742
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 4: experiences where we can find ways to fund them and

743
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 4: where there's good value for federal taxpayers in doing it,

744
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 4: we should do it. And if people need to be

745
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 4: convinced it, I don't think they do, but if they

746
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 4: do need to be convinced, if you look at what

747
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,959
Speaker 4: the Japanese government did a head of Tokyo. They really

748
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 4: invested in their Paralympic side and they saw huge outcomes.

749
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Speaker 4: So we have that to point to as well. Yeah,

750
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Speaker 4: I love that sport makes you want to hug strangers.

751
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 3: I need to put that.

752
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 2: Teach so many strangers in this job. I love that.

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Speaker 3: A quick look I'm conscious of time, but a quick

754
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 3: look at sport diplomacy twenty thirty oh sorry, twenty thirty

755
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Speaker 3: two strategy are we twenty thirty two strategies?

756
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Speaker 4: I writed it from twenty thirty to twenty thirty two

757
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 4: just encapsulate that it's our new North stuff great.

758
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Speaker 3: So it's about creating pathways for world class athletes domestically

759
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 3: in Australia. An example is probably looking at the Tillis

760
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Speaker 3: and we know they're so incredible as people and as athletes,

761
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 3: but so many of them are overseas. If we look

762
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 3: at the A League Women, we've got some big names

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Speaker 3: who are in A leagues. I know Kaya Simon, Tamika

764
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Speaker 3: Yalapa playing in the aleagues, but how do we get

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Speaker 3: more Matilda's players playing in the aleagues as an example?

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Speaker 4: And then I guess you know some of them did

767
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 4: and then then went overseas. Yes, I mean I would

768
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Speaker 4: hesitate to speak on this when you yourself sort of

769
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 4: are that kind of person who sits in that sort

770
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Speaker 4: of semi professional world where you get some funding, you

771
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 4: don't get enough funding.

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Speaker 2: You sit in that gray area.

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Speaker 4: So how I welcome you and your listeners' thoughts about

774
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 4: what more we could do in that space. But where

775
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 4: I have the power to make change with significantly increase

776
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 4: the datis funding. That's kind of individual athlete funding that

777
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 4: we give people to help them with their expenses whilst

778
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 4: they're having a go as a PI performance athlete. We've

779
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Speaker 4: taken that from fourteen million a year to twenty million

780
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Speaker 4: a year, so a big boost percentage wise. But it's

781
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Speaker 4: also about changing the culture to recognize the value of

782
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 4: what our female athletes give us. And I know when

783
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 4: I talk to them, like when I go and talk

784
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 4: to AFLW players, they often say they feel or they're told,

785
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Speaker 4: we have to provide better content. You need to provide

786
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 4: high quality content. You need to provide the eyeballs. But

787
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 4: it's not just down to you on the pitch to

788
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 4: make that happen. That comes down to what broadcast is

789
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 4: offering when the times, like when the games are played.

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Speaker 4: There's lots of elements that go into that which.

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Speaker 2: Makes it tricky to solve. Like it's not a silver

792
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Speaker 2: bullet plot. It means that we all have to push

793
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Speaker 2: on the door when we have the chance. Yes.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. Taking a look at the Australia Pacific Sports Linkages program,

795
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 3: women and girls with Pacific heritage contribute so much here

796
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Speaker 3: in Australia in particular, we've got a really diverse group

797
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Speaker 3: of women and girls at play sport, which is amazing.

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Speaker 3: How do we continue to make sure there's opportunities that

799
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Speaker 3: are culturally relevant as well for these women and girls.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that was something that when we did

801
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Speaker 4: play our way, when we said you tell us, we

802
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 4: were trying to sort of have that discussion. Have people

803
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 4: feel empowered to come forward and say, do you hear

804
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 4: the intersexual barriers that we're up against that might not

805
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 4: be articulated in your policy handbook down in Canberra, And

806
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Speaker 4: I think we are seeing the benefits of that. Some

807
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 4: of the women that I met yesterday who've just completed

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Speaker 4: the female Referee and coaching program were women of pacifica

809
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Speaker 4: and they were talking about, you know, their favorite at

810
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 4: URLW players as being women from their own country like Tonga,

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Speaker 4: and that's great that they can see that success now

812
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Speaker 4: and work towards it in the power space. I think

813
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Speaker 4: the Pacific is really important because in we did a

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Speaker 4: ceremony at the Para Village where all the Pacific nations

815
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Speaker 4: in Australia got together and one by one they sort

816
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Speaker 4: of spoke to their experience coming to the Games and

817
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 4: Australia really is a lynchpin to all of that. We

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Speaker 4: fund a lot of it and they rely upon our resourcing,

819
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Speaker 4: but also just the collaboration required, the planes required, the logistics.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a real opportunity for us in Brisbane

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Speaker 4: twenty thirty two to think holistically about our place in

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Speaker 4: the world and our island neighbors. Because if you're in

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Speaker 4: the Pacific, let's not rule anything out. But Brisbane twenty

824
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Speaker 4: thirty two might be the closest you ever get to

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Speaker 4: hosting a Games, and we want them to feel that ownership.

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Speaker 4: So what can we build in now with zeven years

827
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Speaker 4: to go or what we work towards with seven years

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Speaker 4: to go that will give everybody that piece of Olympic

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Speaker 4: and parailm pick glitter when the moment comes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that. I might go to some questions

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Speaker 3: from our community. Sure, we put a question box on

832
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 3: our Instagram story, so I'm going to pick a few.

833
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 3: There was heaps actually that came through. I'm going to

834
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Speaker 3: pick a few out. This one we've got, how do

835
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 3: we get free to air channels to broadcast better quality

836
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Speaker 3: content across all codes?

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Speaker 2: Spoke about this already, haven't we.

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Speaker 4: I think we keep putting pressure on them, and that

839
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Speaker 4: looks like putting a question to me on the Female

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Speaker 4: Athlete podcast.

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Speaker 2: So thank you for your service. Whoever wrote that.

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Speaker 4: In people like me when I meet with broadcasters saying

843
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 4: that's what we want to see as a public policy outcome.

844
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Speaker 4: And then I think the proofs in the pudding as well,

845
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 4: because when they do it well, it goes berserk, doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: So all of those things.

847
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Speaker 3: Can local small sporting clubs be held to D and

848
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 3: I policies to ensure equality in their sports?

849
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Speaker 4: I think the answer the answer that depends on which

850
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 4: particular club this person's thinking about. Within the Australian sporting ecosystem,

851
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 4: our national sporting organizations are funded by federal taxpayers through

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00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 4: the Australian Sport Commission, and the Australian Sport Commission works

853
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 4: with individual sports about policies to comply with what you

854
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 4: know we mandate at a government level. For example, I

855
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 4: have put in place governance quotas which means that from

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00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 4: one July twenty twenty seven, the national sport organizations will

857
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 4: need to have fifty to fifty gender equity for their

858
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 4: chairs and on their boards. Now that the particular ins

859
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 4: and outs of that is getting worked through for each

860
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 4: sport with the ASC and I would hope that there

861
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 4: is a trickle down effect and that we will see

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00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 4: more women in more leadership roles across all sports because

863
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 4: of this measure. But I think people shouldn't be afraid

864
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 4: of quotas. Quotas simply make you look for talent where

865
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 4: you haven't looked for it before. Talent is out there,

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Speaker 4: they're just not being given every opportunity. This is a

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Speaker 4: me that helps people look for talent where they haven't

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Speaker 4: looked for it before.

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Speaker 3: How have you seen that rolled out so far ahead

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Speaker 3: of twenty twenty seven?

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Speaker 4: Some people hit it the first hour of day one,

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Speaker 4: and I think we should highlight that more. There are

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00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 4: great organizations out there, there are great sports that are

874
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 4: very forward leaning on this that already had fifty to

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00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 4: fifty in place because it was the right thing to do.

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Speaker 2: We are now working through it with the more recalcitran.

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Speaker 3: I was like, what word are you going to?

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Speaker 4: You know, the various different reasons and various different validities

879
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 4: of those reasons, but that's right.

880
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 3: We work through.

881
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 4: We work through it all and they'll be really good outcomes.

882
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 4: I think the proof is in the putting you see

883
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 4: that women making decisions for women helps more women succeed.

884
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: It's a good thing.

885
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 3: I love that. Why does she take trained professionals correcting

886
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 3: her gym techniques? So personally, I won't name.

887
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 4: The handle for giving him away, but that is my

888
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 4: husband water stitch up friend of the pot loves your

889
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 4: work after So what he's saying is that when we

890
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 4: go to the gym together, which we do, it's one

891
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 4: of the few things we get to do together. I

892
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 4: am very reluctant to accept feedback on my technique from

893
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 4: the trainers. I feel that I get a lot of

894
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 4: feedback in my job, and sometimes when I'm turning up

895
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 4: to the gym, turning up is the victory, you know,

896
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 4: it's a mental health adding. It's not a we're going

897
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 4: for Peeb's today. And every time I am reluctant to accept.

898
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: That feedback, Fin shakes his head. So that is my

899
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 2: answer to that. I have a lot on and sometimes

900
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 2: I don't need more feedback.

901
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,959
Speaker 3: I respect that it's kind of your sweitch off time.

902
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have girlfriends that I only see when

903
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 2: we're at the gym.

904
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 4: So when you're doing like we sort of work in

905
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 4: a crossfitty type.

906
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: It's fit stop where it fits stop.

907
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 4: So you know some there's a station where it's like

908
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 4: a exercise be exercise see exercise recover. We take the

909
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 4: recover part quite seriously, very important. Finn takes the other

910
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 4: bit seriously and that's his choice.

911
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 3: I love that out, Finn, thanks for being a fan

912
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 3: of the podcast. I'm here for that. I love that

913
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Speaker 3: We're gonna stick on a slightly humorous theme. Does she

914
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 3: kick a footy better than Dutton?

915
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 4: She shut us for an AFL household. I wouldn't be

916
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 4: allowed to sleep inside if I could not kick an

917
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 4: AFL footy. But I would also say, as someone who

918
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 4: has been sport minister for three years, last campaign, Scott

919
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 4: Morrison took out a child.

920
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 2: Yes, this campaign, Peter Dutton has taken out a cameraman.

921
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 4: Can I please get a little bit of credit for

922
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 4: going three years incident free without.

923
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: Maiming a child or a cameraman.

924
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 3: It's still a lot of the heart, isn't it all right?

925
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 3: Can you please explain why netball is so poorly funded

926
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 3: number one female sport four dollars per person. I imagine

927
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 3: they've worked it out based on participation. Is it funding

928
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Speaker 3: that were.

929
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Speaker 4: This, Like we've covered earlier in our put let me

930
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 4: try and do this concisely. We fund netball through this

931
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 4: showIn Sport Commission, we fund all sports according to the

932
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 4: same criteria around participation, and we can't wait twenty twenty seven,

933
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 4: one hundred years of netball in this glorious country. I

934
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 4: really want the Diamonds to have their Tilly's moment. We're

935
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 4: putting a lot of thought into how we create the

936
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 4: settings to have that happen again for all of us

937
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 4: next year. We could always give every sport more money.

938
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 4: It's always the case that there's more that we could

939
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 4: be do what we could be doing, and it's a

940
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 4: question of how successsful we are fighting against all the

941
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 4: other competing priorities.

942
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 3: What are we going to do about the scary sport

943
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 3: dropout rates of girls in high school?

944
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 2: Yes, so play.

945
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 4: Our way was specifically designed to combat that, and I

946
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 4: hope that we'll see after two hundred million dollars worth

947
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 4: of funding across hundred and sixty odd projects across the country,

948
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 4: that we will see those dropout rates ease, if not

949
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 4: stop all together. Obviously, it's one of those intersectional things

950
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 4: where there's a lot going on at that time, but

951
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 4: we want anything that we can help with to be

952
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 4: something that we do address, and we've done that with

953
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 4: Play our Way.

954
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 3: How do you handle the misogynistic barriers at work, at.

955
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 4: My work, at your work? Gosh, there's this is its

956
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 4: own separate podcast. It's been a wild right. We've already

957
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 4: mentioned my husband Finn. One of the first things that

958
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 4: happened to us when I got made the sport minister, we.

959
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: Actually as the Tillies. We went to see the Tillies.

960
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 4: This is twenty two and after the game we went

961
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 4: onto the pitch. We've got three little kids. We've got

962
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 4: twin boys and a girl, and they were gambling around.

963
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 4: They wanted me to come and do a piece to

964
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 4: camera for their doco that came out. And when the

965
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 4: moment came, someone went over to fit and said, Minister,

966
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 4: if you'll just come this way, we're ready for you now.

967
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,720
Speaker 4: And Finn pointed across at me hauling these two twins

968
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 4: on my hips across the pitch and said, she's the Minister.

969
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 4: We've had so many instances of that, wow, and the

970
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 4: other I mean there's lots too, there's lots, but I

971
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 4: think the other thing that happens a bit is man'splaining,

972
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 4: which I'm sure you've experienced in your time as well.

973
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 4: One of my faves of the genre was someone who

974
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 4: was in all other ways completely welcoming, excited that I

975
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 4: was at his particular sport event, and he was explaining

976
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 4: blah blah blah blah blah. The Witer Testing Site. Sorry,

977
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 4: Wider is the World Anti Doping Agency. They police doping

978
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 4: in sport. I sit on the Executive Committee of Water,

979
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 4: so I just nodded politely, and then another time he's like,

980
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 4: blah blah blah blah blah when the AOC comes through. Sorry,

981
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 4: the AOC is the Australian Olympic Committee. I'm talking about

982
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 4: John Coates. John Coates is I'm a vice president of

983
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 4: Brisbane twenty thirty two Olympic Committee alongside John Coates.

984
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: But there's a bit of that. Mostly it's best just

985
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: to let it wash over you.

986
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 4: But sometimes if I feel like it's if it's malevolent,

987
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 4: I'll push back.

988
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 2: But mostly if it's mostly.

989
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 4: It's easier just to smile, and you got to pick

990
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 4: and choose your bat or sometimes don't.

991
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 2: It's a better way of putting it.

992
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 3: I'm going to finish with two questions for you. What

993
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 3: advice would you give to a young person who might

994
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 3: want to follow in your footsteps?

995
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 2: My advice would be show up, know your stuff, don't

996
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 2: back down.

997
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 3: And finally, a question I ask everyone is what is

998
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 3: your favorite failure?

999
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 4: So, Finn, my husband, who is a dedicated listener, warned

1000
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 4: me that you would ask me this, and I'm glad

1001
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 4: you because I hate failure, so I wouldn't call it

1002
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 4: my favorite. But I listened to Marley and I sort

1003
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 4: of think she's on the right track. Talk what you

1004
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 4: got out of it. When I first got elected in

1005
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, taking over from Wayne Swan, he had a

1006
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 4: five percent margin. Twenty nineteen election wasn't a great one

1007
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 4: for labor, and on the night my seat was too

1008
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 4: close to call, they'd been a big swing against us,

1009
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 4: and it took I think ten days in countback for

1010
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,720
Speaker 4: the outcome to be decided, which was a very long wait.

1011
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 4: So for ten days I had to sit in my

1012
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 4: own political mortality, fearing that I had lost this seat.

1013
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 4: And to me, as I'm sure many women listening to

1014
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 4: this will identify with, I'd let everybody down. I'd been

1015
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 4: entrusted with this great task and I hadn't met it,

1016
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 4: and it felt awful. In the end, we clung on

1017
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 4: by twelve hundred and twenty nine votes, which in an

1018
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 4: electure of one hundred and thirty thousand people is not

1019
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:50,919
Speaker 4: very many. And it made me such a better representative

1020
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 4: because for the next three years, between twenty nineteen and

1021
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two, you know, not a blade of grass

1022
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 4: moved in my electuate without me knowing about it. And

1023
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 4: we worked so hard to prove to people that they

1024
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 4: had made the correct decision in trusting me with their

1025
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 4: vote in the seat that I mean, even I just

1026
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 4: I was laughing about this. I was door knocking a

1027
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 4: couple of weekends ago and it was the same street

1028
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 4: that I'd been out three years before.

1029
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 2: And I knocked on the door and I said, are

1030
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 2: you guys?

1031
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 4: Are you new to the to the area, And she said, oh, yeah,

1032
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 4: we only just moved in a year ago. IM like, yeah,

1033
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 4: it was a different car in the driveway and she said,

1034
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 4: you know every car at the drive I don't know

1035
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,720
Speaker 4: every car in the driveway, but to give you a sense,

1036
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 4: it has made me so dedicated to being a good

1037
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,720
Speaker 4: representative that never happens again.

1038
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 2: That has made me better overall, even if it was

1039
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,479
Speaker 2: it was a difficult, difficult time.

1040
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 3: I like that. I really like that. Thank you so

1041
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 3: much for your time today and what is a very

1042
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 3: very busy period for you, such a pleasure. It's it's

1043
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 3: been really great to talk to you. I've I've met

1044
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 3: you at multiple difference morning and yeah, it's always been

1045
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 3: very brief. Yeah, I'm really appreciative of your time and

1046
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 3: your honesty, and and I really love that. Firstly, you're

1047
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 3: a woman, a woman in this role. But I love

1048
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 3: the way that you are so passionate about sport. I

1049
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 3: think it's I think it's awesome for our country.

1050
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 2: Too, passionate, bubbing average, that's sport.

1051
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 3: Yes, that's on a T shirt too. I love it. Thanks,

1052
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 3: thank you so much, Thanks so much for listening. If

1053
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 3: you got something out of this episode, I would absolutely

1054
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,000
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1055
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1056
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