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Speaker 1: us in the studio this morning from Sky News, we've

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Speaker 1: got Matt Cunningham, Good morning to your mass Morning Wolf,

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Speaker 1: and we've got the acting Chief Minister of the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory Mat. Have we ever had a chief Minister on

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Speaker 1: the show before? Do you think it's Jared Mayley?

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Speaker 2: I think you have once.

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Speaker 1: That was Adam Giles all those years ago. Sorry, I

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Speaker 3: Hopefully this goes a bit I reckon it might.

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Speaker 1: We'll see though, Jared, We'll wait and see. Good morning

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 4: Good morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: And we've also got on the line the member for

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Speaker 1: Daily and he is also the Deputy Opposition leader, Duran Young.

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Speaker 5: Good morning, Good morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 6: And I hope you had a great break.

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Speaker 1: Thanks.

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Speaker 7: You know, I had the opportunity to interview Adam Jiles

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Speaker 7: for the first time in like a decade or did

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Speaker 7: you had the Bush someone a few weeks ago, and

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Speaker 3: Just like a throwback to the days it was.

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Speaker 2: Like nothing had changed.

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Speaker 3: One question about the daar and Port and it was

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Speaker 1: One thing I will say about Adam Giles is I'll

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Speaker 7: Now they voted where they voted where they voted to

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Speaker 1: And this is where I'll always give Adam Giles credit.

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Speaker 1: And you know, as much as I disagree with many

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Speaker 1: I will always respect someone fronting up and answering hard questions.

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Speaker 7: Well, I was expecting him to just sort of, you know,

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Speaker 7: and he just launched said he wouldn't wouldn't have done

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Speaker 1: There you go, will Jared sitting quietly there, but I'm

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Speaker 1: sure he won't for the rest of the show. There'll

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Speaker 1: be lots to discuss. Now, let's get into it. Matt Cunningham,

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Speaker 1: you broke a story in the last twenty four hours

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Speaker 7: I think this is a really concerning story, Katie, because

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Speaker 7: IT technician, who died suddenly about eight weeks ago, and

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Speaker 2: And about some of.

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Speaker 7: The things that are happening within that workplace, within the

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Speaker 1: I mean, Matt, I've read and I also watched some

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Speaker 7: Two weeks before his death, Kara enjoins his sister and

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Speaker 1: I mean, where do we go from here? Like this

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a tragic circumstances which is left to

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Speaker 7: Think, to be fair, it started with the JOLCLP government.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's been eight years of the previous government and

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Speaker 4: this is a very tragic situation. And I'm sure as

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Speaker 4: a result of this news story being broken, there'll be

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Speaker 7: The government earlier this year is because Acacia was suspended

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Speaker 7: At as far as having Acacia implement mended in RDH

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Speaker 4: I don't have that information right now at all. So

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Speaker 7: One thing that came that I was told during the

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Speaker 1: It's clearly not working. I mean, Daran, what do you

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Look, Katie, firstly, yeah, my thoughts go out to

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Speaker 7: Duran will the PAC also as part of its inquiry

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Speaker 7: The other issue that was raised with me, Katie, is

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Speaker 1: It's been a busy no doubt about it, and pressure

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Speaker 7: So I was at the press conference and asked the question.

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Speaker 4: Well, look, she's followed the due process. She's done what

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Speaker 1: Look for me, as someone who's worked as a media advisor,

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Speaker 6: No, I don't. I mean, this is a government we're

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Speaker 1: But when did you find out, Jared?

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Speaker 3: When did you know?

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Speaker 4: I found out through the media A couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 6: You go through the media three or four weeks ago,

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Speaker 4: Not what I said.

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Speaker 6: You Also, because you're cutting you out, you're a deputy

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Speaker 1: One thing that I will say is you know, look, look,

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Speaker 7: And I'd add a third recent case to those that

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Speaker 7: You have a situation there where a man is dead, right,

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Speaker 2: You thinks that's okay.

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Speaker 4: Look, we certainly are looking at the Sentencing Act and

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Speaker 4: Look, all options are on the table because we want

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Speaker 2: You're a lawyer.

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Speaker 4: Look, mandatory sentencing is about community expectation. We need to

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Speaker 6: Look, yeah, there's those serious crimes have mentioned, especially around

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Speaker 6: was pretty appalling with those sentences. But any any acts

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Speaker 6: that come to Parliament, you know, they need to be

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Speaker 6: considered by us as opposition. And what we've routinely seen

442
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Speaker 6: over the last year is the government bringing in pieces

443
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Speaker 6: of legislation on urgency, then offering us I suppose briefing

444
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Speaker 6: a few hours before they even go through, and in

445
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Speaker 6: a lot of cases not even having a piece of

446
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Speaker 6: legislation in front of us so we can actually go

447
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Speaker 6: through to consider what we're actually passing in Parliament. And

448
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Speaker 6: then what we're seeing is when the bills are going

449
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Speaker 6: through their process in Parliament, they go into a thing

450
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Speaker 6: called consideration in detail, and that allows the opposition and

451
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Speaker 6: the Crossbence to ask those questions to each clause and

452
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Speaker 6: the Government just keeps coming back or the minister who's

453
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Speaker 6: responsible for those pieces of actual going oh, well that's

454
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Speaker 6: not relevant, that's not relevant. But that's an important part

455
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Speaker 6: of the process to ensure that the courts, the judges

456
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Speaker 6: are guided by those pieces of clause when they're interpreted

457
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Speaker 6: in the law of court, and the government just avoid

458
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Speaker 6: answering any of those questions.

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Speaker 4: It's a bit rich for trying to say that, Katie,

460
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Speaker 4: because we brought in legislation to bring back man if

461
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Speaker 4: you see any thing, and labor didn't support it. See

462
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Speaker 4: that they're calling for humanity expectation and sentencing, Well, they

463
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Speaker 4: had an opportunity to sup and they didn't support it.

464
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Speaker 4: When we come in this year, it's a bit rich

465
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Speaker 4: for them to come out and say that these sentences

466
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Speaker 4: don't out when they don't support changes for legislation that

467
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Speaker 4: bring in like community to be taken to the job.

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Speaker 1: And just talking about some of the legislative changes that

469
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Speaker 1: we have seen, I mean we were We have also

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Speaker 1: seen the latest crime statistics that have come out just recently, Matte.

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Speaker 1: You have gone through them a little bit more extensively

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Speaker 1: than I while on leave. But some areas we are

473
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Speaker 1: sort of seeing some real well you're seeing some impact.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's safe to say it.

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Speaker 7: Certainly appears that way, Katie. I mean, I would say,

476
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Speaker 7: for the first time in a long time, it looks

477
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Speaker 7: like there is a downward trend when it comes to

478
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Speaker 7: a lot of these areas. Property crime is down I

479
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Speaker 7: think eleven point six percent in Darwin over the seven

480
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Speaker 7: months first seven months of this year compared to the

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Speaker 7: first seven months of last year. You know, it's also

482
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Speaker 7: down in Alae Springs. Crimes again against the person I

483
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Speaker 7: think are up slightly when you compare the seven month period.

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Speaker 7: But if you look from you know, the beginning of

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Speaker 7: this year and you look at the latest number, I

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Speaker 7: think there were nine hundred and twenty three crimes against

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Speaker 7: the person in July twenty twenty five. That is the

488
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Speaker 7: lowest number for any month since police started recording the

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Speaker 7: crime stats through the surpro system. So you know, I

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Speaker 7: think there is I'm not sure whether you call it

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Speaker 7: evidence yet, but there's certainly some signs that the government's

492
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Speaker 7: policies are working, which I think is interesting given most

493
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Speaker 7: of the criticism of the government has been that they're

494
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Speaker 7: not following an evidence based approached. I just think that's

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Speaker 7: a furfe that argument. I think, you know, when we

496
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Speaker 7: hear people talk about this evidence evidence based approach to

497
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Speaker 7: addressing crime, I think we implemented a lot of those

498
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Speaker 7: policies following the twenty seventeen Royal Commission that we were

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Speaker 7: told were based on evidence I would see crime reduce,

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Speaker 7: and what we saw was the opposite.

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Speaker 1: Occurve the total that occur and unfortunately the community really

502
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Speaker 1: felt the impacts of that in more ways than one.

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Speaker 1: Look one of the other areas where the Northern Territory

504
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Speaker 1: government has faced some criticism in recent weeks, and an

505
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Speaker 1: open letter going out as well to the government is

506
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Speaker 1: on the oc spray. Now, some were probably saying I

507
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Speaker 1: told you so throughout this week, as we then saw

508
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Speaker 1: a situation over the weekend where a teenager sprayed security

509
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Speaker 1: guards upon being refused entry to a Darwin nightclub. Now,

510
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Speaker 1: the teenager sprayed two guards at the Maybury in the

511
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Speaker 1: early hours of Sunday morning, getting one in the forehead

512
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Speaker 1: the other in the back. The sixteen year old has

513
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Speaker 1: since pleaded guilty to two counts of aggravated assault and

514
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Speaker 1: one of using a prohibited weapon. That's according to the paper,

515
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Speaker 1: and is expected to be sentenced today. In fact, so

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Speaker 1: in this story by Harry Brill, it also said that

517
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Speaker 1: lawyers made a bid for bail, but the judge said

518
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Speaker 1: that would require careful consideration as the teen also allegedly

519
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Speaker 1: used pepper spray to threaten and rob someone in June

520
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Speaker 1: and was granted bail for that matter. So look to me,

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Speaker 1: I look at it and go, Well, if you're determined

522
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Speaker 1: to get your hands on some OC spray for the

523
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Speaker 1: wrong reasons, you're going to get your hands on the

524
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Speaker 1: OC spray for the wrong reasons. If you're determined to

525
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Speaker 1: get your hands on an edged weapon for the wrong reasons,

526
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Speaker 1: you're probably going to get them on an edged weapon

527
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Speaker 1: for the wrong reasons. I've been one of the people saying, look,

528
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Speaker 1: I'm a woman who feels unsafe at different times when

529
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Speaker 1: I go for a run. So if I want to

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Speaker 1: go and purchase some OC spray, sorry to the wonderful

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Speaker 1: gentleman listening to the show and new blokes in the

532
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Speaker 1: studio and on the phone, but I'm not going to

533
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Speaker 1: be told that I can't buy a man's six foot tall.

534
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Speaker 1: No I haven't yet, and that's funny, you know, well

535
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Speaker 1: five eleven six foot tall, but able to look after yourself.

536
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Speaker 1: And look, I've not rushed out to go and buy it,

537
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Speaker 1: because I'm not feeling unsafe at the moment, but it

538
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Speaker 1: would just take one run for me where i feel

539
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Speaker 1: like I'm being followed or something go on that I

540
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Speaker 1: think I'm going to go in and get myself a

541
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Speaker 1: little canister just in case. I don't want to have

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Speaker 1: to use it, but just in case. But as I said,

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Speaker 1: I know people have been saying, told you so, well.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 7: The flip side to the argument with the guy who

546
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Speaker 7: sprayed the bounces is, you know, a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 7: I think only a week or so after the trial began,

548
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Speaker 7: there was an incident in Coconut Grove where a guy

549
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Speaker 7: was threatened. He tried to intervene. There was an altercation

550
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Speaker 7: going on. He tried to intervene and break it up,

551
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Speaker 7: and someone came at him and.

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Speaker 2: He pulled out his pepper spray.

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Speaker 3: Didn't spray it, but just pulled it out.

554
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Right, and the guys ran away.

556
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Speaker 3: So there you go.

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Speaker 7: That said that said, I don't always will well, I

558
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Speaker 7: am envisaging that at some point we are going to

559
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Speaker 7: get a situation where where there will.

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Speaker 2: Be the misuse of that particular product.

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Speaker 4: Look, I see spray as a trial for twelve months

562
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Speaker 4: and no one's forcing you to buy it. You can

563
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Speaker 4: go and get it if you want to. I went

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Speaker 4: and brought some. I've got some in my car. I've

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Speaker 4: got it there just in case, and I encourage people,

566
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Speaker 4: if you feel like you need it, go and buy it.

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Speaker 4: If you don't want it, don't buy. It's pretty simple,

568
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Speaker 4: and maybe there will be someone who uses it in

569
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Speaker 4: the wrong way, But there are a lot of other

570
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Speaker 4: things out there you can buy off the shelf that

571
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Speaker 4: you can hurt people with. And would you want someone

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Speaker 4: to do with a machete or OC spray. It's a

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Speaker 4: balancing act. But back to those crime figures quickly, they

574
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Speaker 4: are on the way down, and I think people are

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Speaker 4: feeling safer generally right across the turity. People talk to

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Speaker 4: me a lot. It's a big ship to turn around,

577
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Speaker 4: and we're going to keep at it. We're going to

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Speaker 4: keep working hard because there's still a lot of work

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Speaker 4: to be done in relation to that crime space.

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Speaker 1: Duran, I know the union earlier this week areon early

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Speaker 1: really she called on the government's OC spray trial to

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Speaker 1: be scrapped after this situation with the teenager. What do

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Speaker 1: you think?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, look, and I do want to acknowledge what you

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Speaker 6: mentioned about how you feel Katie and other people may

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Speaker 6: feel do feel unsafe, I should say in the community,

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Speaker 6: and I totally understand that. But you know, we've kind

588
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Speaker 6: of been warning the government that it's not the right

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Speaker 6: way to go to deal with tricky situations kind of escalating.

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Speaker 6: I suppose not a weapon, but that's something that can escalate,

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Speaker 6: Like we've heard about that man to intervene with a

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Speaker 6: fight and then they've come at him, and that's kind

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Speaker 6: of escalated. And that was the concern that we've had,

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Speaker 6: you know, for a while.

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Speaker 1: Look, I will say I have it has just been

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Speaker 1: reminded to me by a listener as well that the

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Speaker 1: youth was not using the legally available spray he'd purchased.

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Speaker 1: That spray not available in the Northern Territory. I've got

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Speaker 1: a message from somebody else who said, Katie, my mum

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Speaker 1: is seventy one years old. She runs ten k's every day.

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Speaker 1: She's a bloody legend doing that at seventy one. I

602
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Speaker 1: reckon and she bought some on day one. She has

603
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Speaker 1: it just in case and it helps her feel safe

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Speaker 1: and she's very happy to have it as an option.

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Speaker 6: And I think that's no concern around this is that,

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Speaker 6: you know, if a perpetrator gets it in the hands

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Speaker 6: and then use it and then against the victim, and

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Speaker 6: then they can't they're blind and can't see what's going on,

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Speaker 6: and it just further escalates. But I will just pick

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Speaker 6: up on Jared Mayley's point earlier that you know he

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Speaker 6: said that he's purchased O C spray and it's currently

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Speaker 6: in his car. I thought that part of the purchase,

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Speaker 6: when you purchase this, you have to have it on

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Speaker 6: you at all times? Isn't that correct, Jared? That you shan't.

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Speaker 6: You can't just leave it in your on the person person.

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Speaker 6: So you're breaking your own rules, your own laws. When

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Speaker 6: you're purchased those sea spray and you've said you've left

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Speaker 6: it in your.

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Speaker 1: Car, you do?

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Speaker 4: You do? You support the ice spray.

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Speaker 3: It makes a good point, Jared, if they're the rules.

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Speaker 5: Should you have it on you and you're saying it's

623
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Speaker 5: in your car on you?

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Speaker 4: I have it in my car because I use my

625
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Speaker 4: car every day. And and that's to say.

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Speaker 6: Right now you're in the studio, the legal requirement is

627
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Speaker 6: you need to have it on you well.

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Speaker 1: And that that being the legal requirement. That's actually interesting,

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Speaker 1: isn't it, Because.

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Speaker 5: I kind of think breaks into your car right now

631
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Speaker 5: and then takes that spray, then at.

632
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Speaker 4: Breaking a lot more stuff in my card and noc sporil.

633
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Speaker 6: It doesn't matter. The point is the rules. Are you

634
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Speaker 6: breaking your own rules? You don't even know your own

635
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Speaker 6: rules around O Sea spray.

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Speaker 1: Well there you go, all right, we're going to take

637
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Speaker 1: a very quick break. Well mate, we'll let Jared run

638
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: down to his car and get his OC spray. Maybe

639
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: you are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

640
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Speaker 1: It is the week that was. Plenty more coming your

641
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Speaker 1: way this hour, Well you are listening to the week

642
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: that was if you've just joined us today, We've got

643
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Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham, Gered Mayley and we've also got Duran Young

644
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: on the line. Now there's plenty to discuss this week.

645
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Speaker 1: But we had a situation where nearly five thousand Northern

646
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Speaker 1: Territory public servants rejected the colp's proposed twenty twenty five

647
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Speaker 1: to twenty nine enterprise agreements. So the no vote will

648
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: it outweighed the roughly three thousand in support, highlighting growing

649
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: anger the opposition say over job security and workload pressure.

650
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: Now it comes as we know that we had allied

651
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Speaker 1: health staff who were rallying the day before yesterday at

652
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Speaker 1: Royalty In Hospital and also at Alice Springs Hospital. Look,

653
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Speaker 1: I think it's a fine line here in some ways

654
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Speaker 1: with our public servants because for many others who work

655
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Speaker 1: in the private sector around the community, we are not

656
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Speaker 1: in a situation where we're getting pay rises. And I

657
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Speaker 1: get that the cost of living is going up, but

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Speaker 1: it was three percent I believe each year. Please feel

659
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Speaker 1: free to correct me if I'm wrong. Now. Joe Hersey

660
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Speaker 1: then was on the show yesterday. She's the Minister Responsible

661
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Speaker 1: and she indicated that if the pay offer, well, if

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Speaker 1: they can't come to some kind of agreement, the government

663
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Speaker 1: will consider revising its wages policy and potentially taking the

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Speaker 1: matter to the Fair Work Commission. Now, I guess the

665
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Speaker 1: question there is or what's going to happen? You know

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Speaker 1: what will happen there? Will it be a situation where

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Speaker 1: they get a fair a deal or could it be worse?

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Speaker 4: Well, exactly right. That's the Commission as a tribunal that

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Speaker 4: makes a decision in the end, because the process is

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Speaker 4: that you negotiate. If you can't reach a deal, it

671
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Speaker 4: goes off the Fair Work Everyone puts their case up

672
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Speaker 4: and then they make a decision. So that looks like

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Speaker 4: where it's heading. It may be there'll be more negotiations

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Speaker 4: on the eleventh hour. It happens on most occasions things

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Speaker 4: like that. So we know that CPI and Darwin is

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Speaker 4: at one point six I think at the moment last

677
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Speaker 4: financial year, the pay increase or offer is three percent,

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Speaker 4: which is basically almost double that, so we think it's

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Speaker 4: a fair deal. Unfortunately, we've got a massive debt. We

680
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Speaker 4: know that the previously over government froze wages and did

681
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Speaker 4: all sorts of things. We need to make sure that

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Speaker 4: we get the best for public servants, best for territory

683
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Speaker 4: and balance that against our balance sheet because we know

684
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Speaker 4: we've got a massive fifteen billion dollar debt. So we're

685
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Speaker 4: in a tough situation. We need to work hard to

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Speaker 4: resolve this because the public servants do a great job

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Speaker 4: and we need to ensure that they continue to work.

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Speaker 1: Look, I got to say I don't have a big

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Speaker 1: issue with frontline workers receiving a bit of a pay booster,

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Speaker 1: not to discredit any of our pen pushing friends that

691
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Speaker 1: listen to the show in the public service, but you

692
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Speaker 1: know there is still a pay offer on the table,

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Speaker 1: and as I said, I think it is a fine line.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Duran, I know that you guys have said

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Speaker 1: this is an embarrassing sit situation for the government, right now.

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Speaker 1: But I guess part of the reason while we're in

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Speaker 1: such an enormous amount of debt is because the Labor Party,

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Speaker 1: who were previously in power, was spending money willy nilly.

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Speaker 6: Look, Katie, this is a pattern that we're seeing across

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Speaker 6: all industry across the Northern Territory when it comes to

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Speaker 6: negotiations around pay. Like we saw earlier in the year,

702
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Speaker 6: corrections officers show up around the privacization of corrections officers.

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Speaker 6: Jared Mayley himself was hiding in the chamber and couldn't

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Speaker 6: even go out and meet with corrections officers. We then

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Speaker 6: recently seen the police which has rejected the offer that

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Speaker 6: was put forward, and now we've seen the public service

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Speaker 6: reject the offer that has come forward. And I want

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Speaker 6: to give you a little bit of context of this

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Speaker 6: because when the CLP government first came into government, the

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Speaker 6: first thing they did in Parliament was except the four

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Speaker 6: percent offer for all of us as politicians. Now the

712
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Speaker 6: CLP government could have actually rejected that offer for that

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Speaker 6: four percent increase for us as politicians, I think they

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Speaker 6: should have rejected it. So what we're seeing now the

715
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Speaker 6: public service at three percent and that's been rejected and

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Speaker 6: these are our frontline workers, and yet the government are saying,

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Speaker 6: I know we deserve more of a pay rise, but you,

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Speaker 6: as frontline workers, don't deserve a three percent.

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Speaker 1: So all the Polly's got a four percent pay rise,

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Speaker 1: but we're giving the public servants a three percent pay rise.

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Speaker 1: I will say the police, as I understand it, the

722
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Speaker 1: police have now reached an agreement on the on their

723
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Speaker 1: pay dispute. I thought that that had been reached. I

724
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Speaker 1: could be wrong, but I thought they'd reached that agreement.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, Jared, is that fair that you guys

726
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Speaker 1: got four percent and then you're expecting the general public

727
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Speaker 1: servants to only get three.

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Speaker 4: But our pay is just settled by the tribunial that independently.

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Speaker 4: So I think on it, you're going to approve it.

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Speaker 4: And I was just going to say, Dran, did you

731
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Speaker 4: move a motion to it reject at pay increased? Drund

732
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Speaker 4: did your labor party? I don't, I don't remember. I

733
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Speaker 4: don't think you did. So you're here talking now, But

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Speaker 4: in reality, you you gave.

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Speaker 7: Yourself four You're going to justify while you gave yourself

736
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Speaker 7: four percent and you're only giving thee I'm just.

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Speaker 6: Happy, except you were the one in government and put

738
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Speaker 6: it through, And.

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Speaker 4: Did you move a motion to say not reject it?

740
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Speaker 4: You did it, So now now you're talking.

741
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Speaker 6: You rushed it through quietly. You didn't tell anyone because

742
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Speaker 6: you didn't want anyone to know. You didn't want to become.

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Speaker 5: Public and now certainly public, you are.

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00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 6: Trying to question me. You were in government, you had

745
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Speaker 6: the power.

746
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Speaker 4: Well, you had the power to move emotion to reject it.

747
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Speaker 4: You didn't do it either, dr So you better look

748
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Speaker 4: at yourself.

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Speaker 7: Well, even if we assume you're both as bad as

750
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Speaker 7: each other, why do you guys get four percent in

751
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 7: the public service only gets three?

752
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Speaker 6: Well, that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: No, no, Well, i'm.

754
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Speaker 3: Asking him the question, Duran, I'm trying to get an answer.

755
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Speaker 4: Yeah, because we're in a different We don't negotiate. Our

756
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 4: pay get set by a different probunal. They bring a

757
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 4: recommendation into Parliament either stiching, either except it and reject it.

758
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Speaker 4: No applications were made to rejected and got passed.

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Speaker 7: Do you think that's fair though, I mean, regardless of

760
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Speaker 7: what the process is, do you think that's fair that

761
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Speaker 7: politicians get four and the public service gets three?

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Speaker 4: It's a difficult situation, and I understand that the publicly.

763
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Speaker 6: I would say this, No, I don't think it's fair.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think it is either. I certainly didn't

765
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Speaker 1: get a four percent pay rise.

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Speaker 3: That's not bunny.

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Speaker 1: Sure, But hey, one area.

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Speaker 5: Where let's be very honest here where we are on

769
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 5: very good salaries.

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Speaker 6: We need to be honest and upfront about that. And

771
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Speaker 6: then yet you've come in and put that four percent

772
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Speaker 6: pay rise, which the government had control of at that time,

773
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Speaker 6: and rushed it through very carefully so it wouldn't get

774
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Speaker 6: media attention, so you know, and then here we are

775
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Speaker 6: rejecting the public service for a three percent pay rise

776
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Speaker 6: I think. And then going back to your comments around

777
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Speaker 6: the pay freees, well, the difference between now this one,

778
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 6: what I'm talking about now and then was all politicians

779
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 6: back then had to pay freeze as well. It's the

780
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 6: same as the public service. So we're just trying to

781
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Speaker 6: get remember that between the negotiations with it comes to EBA.

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Speaker 1: Look, we are going to have to take a really

783
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Speaker 1: quick break because I'm keen to also talk about some

784
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Speaker 1: of the ambulance wait times in just a moment. So

785
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Speaker 1: we'll take a really quick break. You are listening to

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Speaker 1: Mix one O four nine's three sixty. It is the

787
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Speaker 1: week that was well, you are listening to the week

788
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Speaker 1: that wasn't If you've just joined us, we've got Matt Cunningham,

789
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Speaker 1: we've got Jared Maylee, and we've got Duran Young. Now, Jared,

790
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Speaker 1: you've received a bit of an update about the OC sprame,

791
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Speaker 1: whether you're allowed to leave it in your car or

792
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: not after we've accused you of breaking the law.

793
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Speaker 4: Yes, I have received an update. You can lock an

794
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Speaker 4: in a secure location which includes your car or your house,

795
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Speaker 4: or you can carry on your person.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to issue an unreserved apology.

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Speaker 7: I've got an update too, though you got well, I'm

798
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Speaker 7: informed that the police gave themselves four point nine almost

799
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Speaker 7: five percent.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well I'm not sure exactly. I thought it was

801
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Speaker 6: four percent, But if it's four point nine, that's That's

802
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Speaker 6: the point of the matter I was trying to make

803
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 6: is that where the CLP government has given us a

804
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 6: higher pay rise than what we're giving to our frontline workers,

805
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Speaker 6: and I just don't think it's fair.

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Speaker 1: Well, fair call, I think Duran, fair call. Hey, I

807
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: want to just take you across though, to this story

808
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Speaker 1: that we've been covering throughout this week about ambulance wait times. Now,

809
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: the ABC were first to cover this situation where a

810
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: young dancer had waited about six hours for an ambulance

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Speaker 1: to arrive after dislocating her knee. Now, her mum had

812
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Speaker 1: called the paramedics to come and help, or Saint John

813
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Speaker 1: to come and help about eight fifteen. They weren't able

814
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Speaker 1: to get there until around two o'clock in the morning. Now,

815
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Speaker 1: I spoke to Saint John yesterday on the show. They

816
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Speaker 1: were really upfront about it. They came on the show.

817
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Speaker 1: They told me, Katie, we've got we had four of

818
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Speaker 1: our emergency ambulances on the road at that point in time,

819
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Speaker 1: and there were around thirty two incidences at that point

820
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Speaker 1: in time. They obviously have to triage things they were,

821
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Speaker 1: you know, they were incredibly apologetic that they were not

822
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Speaker 1: able to to get there sooner. But they also spoke

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Speaker 1: to me and gave me a bit of context when

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Speaker 1: it comes to the stress, the strain that paramedics that

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Speaker 1: all of Saint John are under, and also that our

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Speaker 1: hospital are under. Right now, they said that over a

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Speaker 1: three month period they had ambulances ramping so waiting outside

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Speaker 1: the hospital to get patients in for around twenty thousand

829
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Speaker 1: hours over that three month period, or maybe it was

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Speaker 1: two thousand hours. I will double check that I do

831
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Speaker 1: apologize because that's a big difference. But either way, it

832
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Speaker 1: was a massive, massive amount of time that they're waiting

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Speaker 1: for each and every day. Now I know, Chrystal it

834
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Speaker 1: was two thousand hours over three months. It's a huge

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Speaker 1: amount of time to be ramped outside the hospital waiting

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Speaker 1: for a patient to get a bit. Again, I will say,

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Speaker 1: I know that our health professionals do a tremendous job

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Speaker 1: with the resources that they have. But to me, when

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Speaker 1: we're talking about spending money, you know, when we're talking

840
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Speaker 1: about things like art galleries on the show yesterday, got

841
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Speaker 1: to tell you, if there's one area that I think

842
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: people want some money invested, it's into our health system

843
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: and making sure that when you're hurt, when you're injured,

844
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Speaker 1: when you need help, that you're able to get ash.

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Speaker 4: That's correct, one hundred percent. Cardie and I fully agree.

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Speaker 4: We've been office a year and I've said on many

847
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Speaker 4: many fronts we've been here a chaotic mess on corrections,

848
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Speaker 4: on the police, on the court, and on the health

849
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Speaker 4: system and educator. There's a whole range of things, but

850
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Speaker 4: we've been working hard to try and fix that. Unfortunately

851
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 4: we don't have a huge money to we're going out

852
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 4: at the back like one, but we don't have one

853
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 4: of those and things do take time. Even we did

854
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Speaker 4: have unlimited money, it would take time to fix the

855
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Speaker 4: health system because staff shortages is an issue. No matter

856
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Speaker 4: what industry you talk about, health or anything at all,

857
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 4: staff's an issue right across Australia. So we're working on

858
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Speaker 4: that and now that's what we go back to our

859
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Speaker 4: crime to.

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Speaker 1: Pay them more, well, the Allied Health staff.

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Speaker 4: That's what they call crime issue. People would come to

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Speaker 4: dar on and you know, we know that crime has

863
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Speaker 4: been a big issue and it's a number one priority

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Speaker 4: on our government. And we can fix that because then

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Speaker 4: that'll invite people who's come in stay because if someone

866
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Speaker 4: comes up to their professional maybe they'll bring up their

867
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Speaker 4: wife and their kids and we want them to have

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Speaker 4: a joyful experience. If they get bashed or they get

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Speaker 4: the castle and straight away they're not going to like

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Speaker 4: that and they want to leave, we got to or

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Speaker 4: as long as it's locked.

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Speaker 6: That's the risk that you take well, look, in all.

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Speaker 1: Seriousness, though, I like I get the point that you're making,

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Speaker 1: and that's something that we've spoken about for years on

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Speaker 1: this show, that you need to get the crime under

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Speaker 1: control so that people feel safe, they want to live

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Speaker 1: here and they want to stay here. But you also

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Speaker 1: need competitive wages. And when you look at the Allied

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Speaker 1: Health stuff, you know, the thing that they had said

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Speaker 1: to me on the show yesterday was that they aren't

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Speaker 1: competitive with other states. So then if you're trying to

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Speaker 1: get people to move here, all you're simply trying to

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Speaker 1: do is sell a lifestyle. Well, it's got to be

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Speaker 1: a bit more than that. You've got to have opportunity, remember,

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Speaker 1: is lower than.

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Speaker 4: In other states as well.

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Speaker 7: I remember talking to Kath Hatcher from the Nurses Union

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Speaker 7: maybe three or four years ago when the when the

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Speaker 7: previous government had implemented the pay freeze, and she said

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Speaker 7: at that time her concern was that the territories nursing

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Speaker 7: staff are basically going to go from some of the

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Speaker 7: best paid in the country to some of the worst

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Speaker 7: paid in the country. And then you're in a situation

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Speaker 7: where it becomes almost impossible to recruit people to work

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Speaker 7: here because you know, I can tell you from you, well,

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Speaker 7: not my own experience, but certainly from my wife's experience,

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Speaker 7: that working in a Northern Territory hospital is a far

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Speaker 7: more arduous task than working in a hospital in Melbourne

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Speaker 7: or Sydney or Brisbane. And so to attract people to

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Speaker 7: work in under those conditions where instead of having four

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Speaker 7: patients per staff member, you've got seven or more, where

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Speaker 7: you constantly run off your feet, where you're working with

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Speaker 7: some of the most complex patients in the country, you

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Speaker 7: need to pay your staff more under those conditions. And

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Speaker 7: I know I've over the years criticized the size of

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Speaker 7: the public service and the cost burden of the public service.

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Speaker 7: But back to your point that you made before, Katie,

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Speaker 7: when it comes to frontline staff, I think we're in

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Speaker 7: a position where we need to pay them competitive rates.

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Speaker 7: I think Victorian nurse has got a twenty eight percent

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Speaker 7: pay rise over.

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Speaker 3: Four years last wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: And so we're just making ourselves uncompetitive and we're making

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Speaker 7: it more difficult to fill those roles that we desperately need.

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Speaker 1: Look, a security guard, Brad from the Buffs Clubs, just

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Speaker 1: called in to Crystal to say they aren't getting a

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Speaker 1: pay rise and haven't for some time, and they do

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Speaker 1: all the walk work before frontline workers even get there,

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Speaker 1: and also work under government legislation. You know that's somebody

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Speaker 1: working in the private sector. Of course, who you know

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Speaker 1: who's dealing with I guess what a lot that work

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Speaker 1: in the private sector are dealing with, and that is

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Speaker 1: no pay increase. So I certainly hear what he's saying.

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Speaker 1: But look, that is all we've got time for this morning.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you all joining us on the show.

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Speaker 1: Acting Chief Minister of the Northern Territory Jared Mayley, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for your time today.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Katie, and thank you to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham from Sky News, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: joining us this morning. Thanks Wolf and Daran Young the

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Speaker 1: deputy Opposition leader, but I think you're acting Opposition leader

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Speaker 1: as well. We've got all the leaders on this morning.

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Speaker 1: Duran Young, thank you for your time today.

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Speaker 6: Yes, thank you r Katie, and to the listeners

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Speaker 1: And to Matt and Jared, thanks mate, and well that

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Speaker 1: has been the week that was