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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie and to your listens. I'm coming live

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Speaker 1: This was quite a shock yesterday Lawson Broad resigning as

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Speaker 1: He said though, that his personal view is that these

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Speaker 1: Look, I agree, I agree that it's certainly an individual

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Speaker 2: Well, Leslie is an amazing candidate and he has so

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Speaker 1: Leah, let's talk about the EBA negotiation. Set it currently underway.

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Speaker 2: This review is well over, you, Katie, and it is

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Speaker 2: Our police force is in total crisis. Ninety seven zero

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Speaker 2: morning and do nothing other than focus on this issue.

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Speaker 2: because it is the single most important thing that could

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Speaker 2: It would be my first priority as Chief Minister, Katie.

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Speaker 2: It would be what I spent all my time focusing

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Speaker 1: So Leah, if you are going to attempt what it

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Speaker 2: Parliament, absolutely we will, Katie, because it is too important

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Speaker 2: ultimately as part of that review, of course, there needs

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Speaker 2: one of the first things that should do is be

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Speaker 1: Let me just go back to that for one second,

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Speaker 1: so you reckon that the police commissioner and the executive

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Speaker 2: One one hundred percent, Katie, one hundred percent. And that

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Speaker 2: has always been a feature of our five attempts to

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Speaker 2: because we cannot keep going at this level of dysfunction.

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Speaker 2: It is not healthy for our police force, it is

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Speaker 2: so as a COLP, building these issues out is a

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Speaker 2: You can't run a business if you've got boarded up

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Speaker 1: Lea very quickly before I let you go. We are

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Speaker 1: hearing this morning. I know that it's running nationally on

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Speaker 1: all of My understanding is the East Alligator and also

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Speaker 2: What I know, Katie, is that Natasha Fars has once

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Speaker 1: This has is sure understanding that those social fishes are

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, they've been locked out without any notice, any explanation.

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Speaker 2: Government simply failed to be able to negotiate and access

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Speaker 2: a result we've got fis shows rocking up. You know,

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Speaker 2: And ultimately this is going to lead to national shortages

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Speaker 2: today on something so simple that should be Again, if

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Speaker 2: this government was focused on economic growth, on ensuring people

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Speaker 1: This is one of the reasons why Look, is it

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Speaker 1: a basic hurdle negotiating that with the TS is it

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Speaker 2: This is something that has been done for time immemorial, Katie,

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Speaker 2: and is a basic function of government ensuring that you

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Speaker 2: have sustainable commercial fisheries. And ultimately this is one of

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Speaker 2: the reasons why we're doing the no confidence motion next week.

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Speaker 2: This government shows time and time again but it is unable, unfit,

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Speaker 2: incapable of governing. And so if territorians agree, they should

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Speaker 2: sign our petition and send this government a message that

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Speaker 2: people have had a gutfull and enough is enough.

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Speaker 1: Lea. How many have signed so far that petition?

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Speaker 2: the numbers that we've been communicating.

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Speaker 2: on that. But the more people we have signed it,

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Speaker 2: the better. We went door knocking and Kate Warden's elector

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Speaker 2: not doing enough here on the ground. In Warram Younger,

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Speaker 2: you can't drive anywhere without hottholes without you know, the

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Speaker 2: kids can't swim in the local pool. They're swimming in

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Speaker 2: fixed for three years. I mean, things are just diabolical

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Speaker 2: right across the territory. This government has had six years

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Speaker 2: more miserably now than it ever has before. Now is

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Speaker 2: the time for territories to come together and push forward.

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Speaker 2: Sign the petition and give them send them a message.

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Speaker 1: Well, almost sounds like I've written and authorized there by

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Speaker 1: Leah Finoki. A thank you, Leah.

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Speaker 2: I'll leave it there.

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Speaker 1: Always appreciate your time. Thank you for having your chat

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Speaker 1: with us.

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Speaker 2: Take care everyone.

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Speaker 1: Thank you,