Speaker 1: I hit it for so long, and I one't really
Speaker 1: knew then you I had an eating problem where I
Speaker 1: would sick certain things. No one knew I was billemix.
Speaker 1: I was bilimics for so long. I'm sure honest to
Speaker 1: people like you know you and Colin fighting, I was
Speaker 1: be like, it's still it's a real relationship. Now, I'd
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, you give me a shit sometimes, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, Colin, you search It's like it's a real
Speaker 1: relationship now. I'm not going to pretend everything's okay all
Speaker 1: the time when it's not. We just went through a
Speaker 1: bloody rollercoaster and then we had to hide for three months,
Speaker 1: and then they're just thrown in the public space. But
Speaker 1: everybody just jugs the shit out of us. Of course,
Speaker 1: there's going to be times where we really really struggle.
Speaker 1: I was exercising every day, so I didn't have a
Speaker 1: six pack. It's me. I always thought, you know, the bachelor,
Speaker 1: I had to this beautiful, you know, spit goal and
Speaker 1: might be averagely fit. To me, I didn't have my
Speaker 1: ideal bachelorette body. And then I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I don't get picked for the way I look, you know,
Speaker 1: amazing bachelorre body that I don't have. I got picked
Speaker 1: because of me.
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Outspoken, out Under the Influence episode.
Speaker 2: You're joined as usual by journalists Amy and Sophie Torber
Speaker 2: and today we're so excited to have Australia's reality show
Speaker 2: sweetheart Angie.
Speaker 3: Kent on the show.
Speaker 2: The bubbly, fun loving twenty nine year old one Hearts
Speaker 2: and Friends when she partnered with best friend Evie Jones
Speaker 2: to commentate from the couch as we watched them watching
Speaker 2: TV on goggle Box. Since then, she's gone on to
Speaker 2: appear on I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here,
Speaker 2: and Find Love on The Bachelorette. In today's episode, Angie
Speaker 2: candidly speaks about her struggles with bulimia, her time as
Speaker 2: a carer, and the speculation surrounding her relationship with Carlin.
Speaker 3: Here's Angie, So.
Speaker 2: Angie, welcome to Outspoken. We are so excited to have
Speaker 2: you on our show because we have to say you
Speaker 2: were our favorite bachelorette that has appeared on the show.
Speaker 1: Ah, thanks goal, No worries.
Speaker 2: So we've heard that you've had an incredibly busy end
Speaker 2: of the year. You've recently finished your book tour for
Speaker 2: your first book. If you don't laugh your cry, can
Speaker 2: you tell us a little bit about the book and
Speaker 2: what inspired you to write it in the first place.
Speaker 1: Well, I love writing. I've been writing since I was
Speaker 1: a little gal. I'd always write stories or do a
Speaker 1: lot of poetry. I was so bad, but like I thought,
Speaker 1: I was great and just you know, diaries and things.
Speaker 1: And then I studied creative writing at UNI, both in
Speaker 1: America and in prison at QUT. So I've always like
Speaker 1: dabbled in it, but I never thought of, you know,
Speaker 1: writing or anything like that. I just used it more
Speaker 1: of like a creative outlet and expressions things like that.
Speaker 1: And then after the Jungle and Goggle Book and then
Speaker 1: write before Bachelorette, I was approached to, yeah, write a book,
Speaker 1: and they didn't know they kind of wanted me to.
Speaker 1: You know, it's still my book, but that asking questions
Speaker 1: and I just speak, you know how I answer things
Speaker 1: like I did on Google Blocker in the Jungle or whatever.
Speaker 1: They didn't actually know that I loved to write. So
Speaker 1: I wrote the whole thing in three weeks before I
Speaker 1: went into lockdown, which was kind of full on. But
Speaker 1: it was just such a nice relief, Like it was
Speaker 1: kind of like a something I didn't have to think about,
Speaker 1: you know, bachelorette, and it was just straight into writing,
Speaker 1: which was Yeah, I think it's exactly what I need.
Speaker 3: It got three weeks.
Speaker 2: That's amazing to be able to produce a book in
Speaker 2: such a short amount of time. You're Australia's JK. Rowling.
Speaker 1: Basically, yeah, I wouldn't go that far. I don't know
Speaker 1: how to bake up really really good stories. I don't
Speaker 1: even how to tell my stories. But yeah, not only
Speaker 1: three weeks, so it was full on. It was quite
Speaker 1: a short redline. But in a way I see it
Speaker 1: as a blessing because I then didn't have time to
Speaker 1: like overthink every single topic I was going to discuss
Speaker 1: and edit myself. I was just like, go for goal,
Speaker 1: say how you would want to say, and don't edit yourself,
Speaker 1: Like this is the real you don't over don't you know.
Speaker 1: With any project we do with humans, we just ce critique.
Speaker 1: We always try to find something to make it better.
Speaker 1: But this way it was just like pure raw angy,
Speaker 1: no time to overthink, which I think was kind of yeah,
Speaker 1: a blessing in the sky.
Speaker 2: And as you say, You do speak so candidly in
Speaker 2: the book about growing up on the Sunshine Coast in
Speaker 2: your childhood. For those who haven't read it yet, can
Speaker 2: you tell us a little bit about what your childhood
Speaker 2: was like growing up.
Speaker 1: My childhood, I would say, was like that pretty sock
Speaker 1: standard Sunshine Curast childhood. We were very lucky to have
Speaker 1: such beautiful weather and you know, spent so much time
Speaker 1: at outdoors. I was part of the generation early nineties
Speaker 1: where there was none of that you know, computer time.
Speaker 1: When there was a PlayStation, but even then we would
Speaker 1: only be allowed on it for like, you know, an
Speaker 1: hour of something a day, and that was like a tree.
Speaker 1: It was more like you know, plane trees, cobby houses.
Speaker 1: And my dad felt this like you know, amazing slide
Speaker 1: with his bare hands. Like there was things like that,
Speaker 1: like old school ninety stuff, which I you know, I loved.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad I've missed generation of technology, because then
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have probably had my wild imagination.
Speaker 3: Did you have a.
Speaker 2: Holly pocket or a baby born? Was that was that
Speaker 2: kind of.
Speaker 1: Oh my god? I had both of home. I had
Speaker 1: pocket do more. I was absessed with those tiny little goals.
Speaker 1: I was like I love putting them in all different
Speaker 1: like mermaids and like, oh my god, I forgot about
Speaker 1: something and baby born Mine was Amber Jane.
Speaker 2: Oh well, Sophie had a baby born, and so did
Speaker 2: our other sister, Kate. And they actually named theirs after
Speaker 2: Baywatch characters, which I don't know is actually appropriate now
Speaker 2: you think about it.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so tweaked. I love it.
Speaker 2: I think we're the same vintage. We turn thirty this year.
Speaker 2: You've got your thirtieth coming up soon, don't you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: February six is my thirtieth. I can't believe I'm going
Speaker 1: to be thirty. I have no more excuse to act
Speaker 1: like a complete idiot anymore, do I I'm still going to.
Speaker 1: I just don't have an excuse.
Speaker 2: I don't. I think, just be yourself. I think it's
Speaker 2: the worst thing is when you're twenty nine and you're
Speaker 2: waiting to turn thirty. Once you're thirty, it's like you
Speaker 2: can laure that over people and be like, well, I'm
Speaker 2: thirty and I know that now, Yeah, what.
Speaker 1: Have you got? Funny? I'm not really a birthday gal.
Speaker 1: I know that sounds really sad. I can't of never really,
Speaker 1: I just have dinner normally, but because it is my
Speaker 1: thirtieth and I feel like I really want to celebrate
Speaker 1: everything I've achieved in my twenties, I wouldn't mind doing something,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to be working, so I yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: working on my actual birthday, and then both weekend surrounding
Speaker 1: my birthday, I'm working. So I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know unless somebody wants to. One thing Carlin has brought
Speaker 1: me for my birthday is an to go see Gabby Bernstein.
Speaker 1: She's like my spiritual guru, So that's one way to helprate,
Speaker 1: which I'm really.
Speaker 3: Excited about it.
Speaker 1: But besides that, I'm not doing anything. I'll make I'll
Speaker 1: make Mum organize maybe a little family thing.
Speaker 2: On more serious topics, just going back to your book,
Speaker 2: I think what I loved most about it was just
Speaker 2: how open you were talking about your struggle with boliemia.
Speaker 3: Because I know a lot of young women.
Speaker 2: Would have read this book and related very much to it.
Speaker 2: Can you tell us about that time in your life
Speaker 2: when you were fourteen and you were going through these
Speaker 2: struggles For a.
Speaker 1: Long time, I didn't talk about it, and I was
Speaker 1: so embarrassed and ashamed because there was no real information
Speaker 1: or you know, knowledge surrounding this. I just thought people
Speaker 1: would think that I'm doing it for attention. They wouldn't
Speaker 1: understand why. I didn't really understand why I did it
Speaker 1: until later on in life. Yeah, I think. I mean
Speaker 1: it's so hard that time too. I kind of lanked
Speaker 1: a lot of it out. When you're in times of
Speaker 1: real hurt, you do, as humans do, tend to blank
Speaker 1: out certain parts. But I think it started around fourteen
Speaker 1: because that's when I remember I went to a natural
Speaker 1: pat and she says, you know you are w you
Speaker 1: eat and not having much knowledge or education on that. Obviously,
Speaker 1: as a fourteen year old with all those while for men,
Speaker 1: that to me kind of sounds like, you know, stop
Speaker 1: eating unless it's just carrot. So I literally did that.
Speaker 1: I would just eat salads and vegetables. But then you know,
Speaker 1: I got hungry around that crazy time of the month
Speaker 1: and I want to bin. And then that's kind of
Speaker 1: when it started. I was punishing myself for you know,
Speaker 1: I think it was flipping up and then it turned
Speaker 1: into more of an addiction, like I was addicted to
Speaker 1: doing it, and it wasn't because I wanted to be skinny.
Speaker 1: But then I did start to get really skinny, and
Speaker 1: a lot of people started to notice that, and then
Speaker 1: that would be that then became an obsession too. That's
Speaker 1: the way I got attention. Yeah, I could not not
Speaker 1: do it, like my body would physically until I did it.
Speaker 1: And then I'd just like, oh okay, grate my mind
Speaker 1: stopping saying do it, do it, do it, do it.
Speaker 1: As soon as I did it, it would go away. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was like a control thing too. You know, my
Speaker 1: life felt a little bit out of control, so I
Speaker 1: could control what went into my body. Therefore I could
Speaker 1: control what came out of it. It's all very when
Speaker 1: you do the research on it later on in life.
Speaker 1: You know, now I understand why I did it. It's
Speaker 1: really quite sad because I was a little girl. Really,
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was doing. I just knew
Speaker 1: I had to do it. That's what I felt.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fourteen is so young.
Speaker 2: I mean at the time when we're all fourteen, I
Speaker 2: think we all thought we were just so old, But
Speaker 2: it's so young. Did you feel pressure to live up
Speaker 2: to any sort of girls in the magazines because now
Speaker 2: everyone's got Instagram and it kind of scares me a
Speaker 2: little bit. Does that kind of did you feel the
Speaker 2: pressure to live up to those these girls and do
Speaker 2: you know, oh no, was it more of a control thing?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, never to look like never to look like anyone.
Speaker 1: I suffered really bad acne. I think I just that
Speaker 1: really affected my self esteem. Yeah, so that was the
Speaker 1: main cause of it. It's suffering from the ACTE. I
Speaker 1: wanted to have to ski like all my friends, but no,
Speaker 1: I know when it's bad to beings to me that
Speaker 1: then it wasn't that big a deal, I think. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it was like MySpace and MSN Messenger, But
Speaker 1: I never felt the pressure to look like anyone. I
Speaker 1: always just felt pressure to be perfect, but not comparing
Speaker 1: myself to anyone. I was very odd.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's odd at all. I think that's
Speaker 3: quite normal.
Speaker 2: But such a tough time to navigate, isn't it like
Speaker 2: when you're going through high school when everything's changing And
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, while, how did.
Speaker 3: You manage to overcome all of this?
Speaker 1: I took years. I hit it for so long, but
Speaker 1: I one't really knew then you won't have an eating
Speaker 1: problem where I would eat certain things. No one knew
Speaker 1: I was BOLLEMI I was alimic for so long. I
Speaker 1: started to when I moved to Sydney, I started to
Speaker 1: see a psychologist and I finally started to open up
Speaker 1: about it. And then I really got into mindfulness, meditation,
Speaker 1: and I went down more of a spiritual path. I
Speaker 1: always had spirituality kind of growing up, but it was
Speaker 1: more Catholic religious space. I started to turn more universal
Speaker 1: self kind of expressing and finding out about myself. I'm
Speaker 1: just finding out triggers and why I did it, and
Speaker 1: went down the whole you know, family, life path, friends,
Speaker 1: relationships that may have affected me. I why I would
Speaker 1: have done this and that Really Yeah, I educated myself
Speaker 1: on it, and then you know, for you, I still
Speaker 1: had days where I had to when I felt that
Speaker 1: trigger of not being good enough for my body wanting
Speaker 1: to do that because it was so many years of
Speaker 1: using myself like that, I had to create channel it
Speaker 1: to go elsewhere. Would be like, you know, go meditate now,
Speaker 1: or go right, or say something beautiful about yourself, don't
Speaker 1: run to the toilet. It took a long time, and
Speaker 1: you know what I always say, It's like any addiction,
Speaker 1: it never goes away. You just channel it elsewhere, and
Speaker 1: you get addicted to something else, like treating yourself better
Speaker 1: or meditation or exercising. But yeah, I still have really
Speaker 1: bad thoughts when I'm down. I just don't want to
Speaker 1: do that to myself anymore, so I channel it to
Speaker 1: other other area, you could say, And.
Speaker 2: Were you worried at all that appearing on a show
Speaker 2: like The Bachelor, where you receive so much scrutiny and judgment,
Speaker 2: were you worried that that might spark some of those
Speaker 2: feelings again?
Speaker 1: Oh? One, and it did. At the beginning. I I
Speaker 1: went in like I was exercising every day, but I
Speaker 1: wasn't you know what was overly super fit? You know,
Speaker 1: I didn't have a six pack. It's me. I always thought,
Speaker 1: you're the Bachelor. I had to be beautiful, you know,
Speaker 1: fit Galon m'd be averagely. I'm only quite little. But
Speaker 1: to me, I didn't have my ideal bachelorette body. And
Speaker 1: then I was like, you know what, I didn't get
Speaker 1: picked for the way I look and for this, you know,
Speaker 1: amazing bachelorette body that I don't have. I got picked
Speaker 1: because of me. So I am focused on that more.
Speaker 1: But no idead. I often felt prescious through at you know,
Speaker 1: I would try to try to put me in size
Speaker 1: sixes and I wasn't a size six, but by the
Speaker 1: end I was six because I was so stressed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I watched myself just like anyone, and I'd
Speaker 1: worry mainly not about my body weight, but just my
Speaker 1: acme I look and I just like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: or I could notice was my scars. And then I
Speaker 1: just thought, you know, don't be ridiculous. Nobody is perfect,
Speaker 1: and focus on your heart. That's why you're in there.
Speaker 1: It's a find love, not to you know, why would
Speaker 1: I want to pick somebody that only liked me for
Speaker 1: the way I look.
Speaker 2: We all thought you looked absolutely stunning, and as we said,
Speaker 2: you were just saying this, but you were our favorite
Speaker 2: bachelorette because not only we think you're gorgeous, you're funny.
Speaker 3: You're the full package.
Speaker 2: I think that's not to say the other bachelorettes haven't made,
Speaker 2: but you brought such amazing personality. And you know, you
Speaker 2: actually stood up to those dicks in the house because
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's some kind of contracts you have to
Speaker 2: sign that you know they've got.
Speaker 3: You know, some of the entertaining people have to stay in.
Speaker 2: But I actually thought that in terms of criticism, I
Speaker 2: think people haven't been openly criticizing you as much as
Speaker 2: maybe previous bachelorettes. Have you felt that or have you
Speaker 2: felt a lot of criticism?
Speaker 1: I got so lucky, But then again, I didn't search
Speaker 1: for it because I have some suggars and suffering from
Speaker 1: both of esteem and eating sort of for so long
Speaker 1: back in the day. I don't like to search. You know,
Speaker 1: some people misery likes companies that if you're in a
Speaker 1: feral mood you kind of want to attract, like book
Speaker 1: for more. No, I was really important, and just maybe
Speaker 1: ignorance is blissed too. Since I didn't look for it,
Speaker 1: I didn't see it, but I don't reckon. Many people
Speaker 1: commented on the way I looked at all. I think
Speaker 1: because it wasn't that type of bachelorette. It was just
Speaker 1: really emotional and kind of personality based, like even my
Speaker 1: boys they well, I thought that was a lot of
Speaker 1: people were like little why not? But it was very much.
Speaker 1: They had huge personality. So I was like, and I
Speaker 1: love a personality, I thought, looking but a lot of
Speaker 1: people were like, god, you locked out girlfriend, and I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I'm not unless I have low standards.
Speaker 2: Well, I've got to say, as soon as Carlin came on,
Speaker 2: I mean, SOF and I we always played that game,
Speaker 2: and I think you and Eve played it a little
Speaker 2: bit on Google Box, where you'd be like nah nah no.
Speaker 2: We were literally not well, not that we were saying no,
Speaker 2: but I was like, he's clearly the best looking of
Speaker 2: all of them.
Speaker 1: A game. That's the game we'd play.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, were you playing that in your head
Speaker 2: the night they were all coming down to beat you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, just just by myself, I was said, and wonder
Speaker 1: if I did. That night was so long I probably
Speaker 1: can say I was like, I was like, yeah, girl,
Speaker 1: oh my god. With Carlin, he was just yes, he's
Speaker 1: obviously so good looking, but to me, it was just
Speaker 1: like his presence and how calming he was, and he
Speaker 1: really looked into my eyes, and that feeling was just
Speaker 1: so overwhelming. A lot of the boys were so nervous
Speaker 1: and highly strong, because like such an intimidating night. I
Speaker 1: can't even explain how full on that night is. And
Speaker 1: it's so cold, so everyone's knows and they're cold, and
Speaker 1: then they're just hanging for a drink, but they've been
Speaker 1: waiting around for hours. But he had this like beautiful,
Speaker 1: calming presence. And yeah, usually I wouldn't go for the
Speaker 1: best looking guy because I would think this is so mean,
Speaker 1: but I was kind of thinking, oh, you're probably boring,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't. They didn't show his personality as much
Speaker 1: because they've lost such big, big personalities like Kim and Kieran,
Speaker 1: Jamie and all that. That kind of stole the show
Speaker 1: a bit. But yeah, I know he he looks for
Speaker 1: just a bonus, seriously, Like it's his personality and his
Speaker 1: presence that really really drew me to him. And he
Speaker 1: looked ridiculously good enough that white food, let's say so.
Speaker 2: Well, I just felt like he was discriminated against throughout
Speaker 2: the series because of his looks, because everyone sort of
Speaker 2: judged him as to be like, oh, you're just on
Speaker 2: here for your Instagram and that kind of thing. And
Speaker 2: I suppose we've seen that in the past with The Bachelor,
Speaker 2: a lot of the women often get judged. But I
Speaker 2: don't know, soph did you feel the same thing that
Speaker 2: people were Well, as Andre was saying, I felt like
Speaker 2: they refer that he didn't have much of a personality,
Speaker 2: and it is hard to show everyone's personalities, I suppose
Speaker 2: in that half an hour time.
Speaker 3: But also the Bachelor.
Speaker 2: The Bachelor wants everyone to be shocked at the end
Speaker 2: as well, and I felt like that always, you know,
Speaker 2: it doesn't work in the favor of the winner. Did
Speaker 2: you find that you thought that it was very much
Speaker 2: focused on Tim, wasn't it the last few episodes.
Speaker 1: I think that definitely kept everyone on the edge of
Speaker 1: their seats in terms of who I was going to pick.
Speaker 1: But that wasn't That was because I I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I really didn't know. And I did have to tell
Speaker 1: Carla this, you know, as soon as the show was done,
Speaker 1: and I picked him, and because I didn't want him
Speaker 1: to think that I, you know, was keeping anything from him,
Speaker 1: because he was got to see it in real, you
Speaker 1: know time when you guys were watching it. But I
Speaker 1: had no idea who I was going to kick until
Speaker 1: I stood there on that thing environ and they had
Speaker 1: to send someone down first. That's the name of the game.
Speaker 1: And they said, it's the first person that comes your head.
Speaker 1: Who comes down first doesn't mean that he's the one
Speaker 1: that's going home. And I just Kim and I had
Speaker 1: time to change my mind, and I didn't. I just
Speaker 1: felt like, no, I can't spend I can't spend Carlen home,
Speaker 1: and thank God, because I feel like, you know, I
Speaker 1: will always have a soft spots for Tim. He's, like
Speaker 1: I said, I still stand by the fact that he
Speaker 1: is one of my soulmates. But Carlin is my future.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a future with Carlin. And yeah, but no,
Speaker 1: I think they they edited definitely to be the Tim Show.
Speaker 1: But that's because I didn't even know who I was
Speaker 1: going to pick, so I played a huge part in
Speaker 1: them kind of having that footage where it's like we
Speaker 1: didnt know who's going to pick into the last minute anyway,
Speaker 1: So you.
Speaker 2: Would, well, that's great to hear that you were being
Speaker 2: genuine because often I watch, especially the American Bachelor and Bachelorette.
Speaker 3: Do you watch those?
Speaker 1: No, I have, like in the past, but no, I
Speaker 1: haven't you everything's.
Speaker 3: So sensationalized compared to the Australian.
Speaker 2: One, and they're always I could imagine I.
Speaker 3: Wanted to see you guys watch it on Google Box
Speaker 3: because it's I.
Speaker 2: Feel like anyway, but they they're always, oh, they actually
Speaker 2: tell the people that they love both of them, and
Speaker 2: then you never know who they're going to pick.
Speaker 3: So I love that you're pe.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they would have loved thing do things differently.
Speaker 1: But I always said, if I'm going to be a bachelorette,
Speaker 1: you have to let maybe meet Otherwise I'm not going
Speaker 1: to get anything. I'm just going to be awkward. I'm
Speaker 1: going to try to be someone I'm not and no
Speaker 1: one wants to watch that. So I often would go
Speaker 1: rogue and do what I wanted, and by halfway they
Speaker 1: were like, don't overly, you know, tell Angie what to do,
Speaker 1: because obviously I had rules and things like to follow
Speaker 1: and you know, boxes to tick. They were like, the
Speaker 1: magic happens when Angie gets an idea in her head
Speaker 1: and grows rogue. And they often let me to do
Speaker 1: what I wanted, which is great. Otherwise I would have
Speaker 1: just felt felt trapped and like I had to be
Speaker 1: someone I'm not and that's that would have just everybody
Speaker 1: would have seen through it. People who have followed me
Speaker 1: for years, they would have been like, that's just while
Speaker 1: we're watching this bachelorette, that's not Angie and I devil
Speaker 1: wanted that.
Speaker 2: I think that's so true talking about people going Kieran
Speaker 2: seemed to do a lot of what he wanted to do.
Speaker 2: Was he actually fully nude in front of.
Speaker 1: You all, fully nude? Fully nude? I thought when he
Speaker 1: took off his rob but I kept saying to Evan,
Speaker 1: surely not, surely not. She's like, I reckon he would,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, it'll He'll have a little cheese
Speaker 1: during one and we'll just seek He's like what he
Speaker 1: was darker and he thought it was only going to
Speaker 1: be for like twenty minutes. He was naked for like
Speaker 1: four hours and he was just standing there for so long.
Speaker 1: I just kept getting up afooring him drinks. So I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to be drunk because he's got
Speaker 1: three more hours of this. Otherwise he's just going to start.
Speaker 1: It's going to kick in and he's going to be
Speaker 1: like what am I?
Speaker 2: So well during the show, I felt like there's been
Speaker 2: constant speculation of rumors that you didn't end up finding love.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you felt that, but I felt
Speaker 2: like it was very much that feeling this year, and
Speaker 2: now since you've obviously announced that you're with Carlin, there
Speaker 2: seems to be so much pressure put on for you
Speaker 2: to show how in you are via Instagram.
Speaker 3: Have you felt that pressure at all?
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit, because the ending is so full,
Speaker 1: and with you know, them editing Kim so well and
Speaker 1: not editing the way I saw him. I mean like,
Speaker 1: obviously they didn't fake any of it. All that stuff happened.
Speaker 1: They just didn't shine so much light on the connection.
Speaker 1: Corlin and I had a bought through shine the light
Speaker 1: on the connection Tim and I had. I was kind
Speaker 1: of like, oh god, you know this could go. There
Speaker 1: wasn't really fifty fifty. It was like sixty forty, like
Speaker 1: everybody wanted Jim doing and then Carlin. So I was
Speaker 1: like I felt this pressure in a way because so
Speaker 1: many people were like, oh, she's made the biggest mistake
Speaker 1: of her life, and it's like, no, I haven't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people aren't there, you know, they don't understand what actually
Speaker 1: goes on. That's the show. I was watching it as
Speaker 1: a show. I already lived the experience. I already know
Speaker 1: what happened. So yeah, when I left, I was a
Speaker 1: little bit like, you know, I felt like I kind
Speaker 1: of had to prove and then I'm like, well, so
Speaker 1: as long as my friend's family go and Colin friends
Speaker 1: and family, no, and Colin, and I know, I don't
Speaker 1: really overly care what anybody else has to say. I'm
Speaker 1: glad they had they got their show. At the end
Speaker 1: of the day, they didn't get their happy ending, but
Speaker 1: I got mine. And isn't that the basis of the
Speaker 1: show exactly?
Speaker 2: And sometimes you know when you see couples on Instagram
Speaker 2: and they try a bit too hard, you know they're
Speaker 2: posting these love Yeah, I feel like that's the first
Speaker 2: sign that a relationship probably isn't going too well.
Speaker 1: I'm true honest to like the people that even said
Speaker 1: which would probably get me in trouble. People are like,
Speaker 1: you know, you and Colin fighting, I'd be like, it's
Speaker 1: still it's a real relationship now. I'd be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he gives me the ship sometimes, Oh my god, Colin surging,
Speaker 1: It's like, it's a real relationship now. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to pretend everything's okay all the time when it's gone.
Speaker 1: We just went through a bloody roller coaster and then
Speaker 1: we had to hide for three months and then we're
Speaker 1: just thrown in the public space. But everybody was judge
Speaker 1: the shit out of us. Of course, there's going to
Speaker 1: be times where we really really struggle that we communicate
Speaker 1: so well, but yeah, we have some Sarry Crockers. We
Speaker 1: have days where we're just like, this is so hardcore,
Speaker 1: but we talk it out. We don't shut down, which
Speaker 1: is good. That was growth like that because I could
Speaker 1: see how it feel really hard for couples after this
Speaker 1: show because it's hardcore, Oh for sure.
Speaker 2: I mean even when you look at Matt Agnews series
Speaker 2: and they constantly were showing him, you know, humping, well,
Speaker 2: try humping Abbey on the beach, I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: that's going to be a hard episode to watch for
Speaker 2: those two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, everybody signs up, so you know, no
Speaker 1: one's forced to do it, but you don't realize how
Speaker 1: hard it's going to be, and you don't really think
Speaker 1: about what Australia is going to think of you when
Speaker 1: you're living the experience and throwing yourself in there to
Speaker 1: find love. I mean, that's my case. I never thought
Speaker 1: what Australia think of me when I was filming those
Speaker 1: nine weeks because I just wanted to get through the
Speaker 1: days and make connections and you know, look after my heart.
Speaker 1: During the process. But yeah, you just watch it and
Speaker 1: you're just like, oh my gosh, this is you don't
Speaker 1: think about that and you've got to have the right
Speaker 1: too mentally to be able to deal with it. For sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would have been so hard for Chelsea to watch that,
Speaker 1: but it is it is. It is showing they did
Speaker 1: do it. So it's kind of like it's it's up
Speaker 1: for they can show whatever they want at the end
Speaker 1: of the day.
Speaker 2: And many of our listeners would have first fell in
Speaker 2: love with you, of course on Google Box. You appeared
Speaker 2: on the show along Evie, but there was also a
Speaker 2: third housemate who we didn't get to see, your best
Speaker 2: friend Tom, and you of course acted as Tom's care
Speaker 2: for three and a half years.
Speaker 3: Can you tell us a little bit about what that
Speaker 3: time was like in your life.
Speaker 1: Oh, that was a magical time. It was a hardcore
Speaker 1: time obviously, because you know, I went from moving to
Speaker 1: Sydney in Turning my slight off in the film television world,
Speaker 1: so I moved Therefore, I wanted to produce and eventually direct,
Speaker 1: and you know I had all these different ideas and yeah,
Speaker 1: I was you know, partying because I was only young
Speaker 1: in Turning working as a dinning or doing chromo and
Speaker 1: then when I met you, I was just convinced me
Speaker 1: into moving in. So I went from this young twenty
Speaker 1: one twenty two year old girl. So then kind of
Speaker 1: being like a not a parent because Tom's older than me,
Speaker 1: but you know, being a full time support worker but
Speaker 1: also best friend and house mate. So it just makes
Speaker 1: me kind of not grow up quicker, but really, you know,
Speaker 1: put my caring hat on, and yeah, we kind of
Speaker 1: had our own family. It was like being easy with
Speaker 1: the moms and dads and then we had our had
Speaker 1: our Tom, and then we had our seven at baby
Speaker 1: seven at a time, rescue dogs, let's go on environment.
Speaker 1: There was always a lot of people coming and going,
Speaker 1: but it was so magical. I learned so much about myself.
Speaker 1: And you know, I've traveled with Tom Sabali twice and
Speaker 1: We've been to London together and he comes and stays
Speaker 1: on the Sunshine Coast and we stay in apartments and
Speaker 1: you know, we go. He's just like a family member
Speaker 1: to me. Now. Yeah, it was a real Ironsina and
Speaker 1: I wouldn't change a thing. Learning how to look after
Speaker 1: somebody with the intellectual disability and diabetes is it's hard
Speaker 1: work because he could wake up in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night scareaming bloody birder and you know, from a
Speaker 1: hyperoguo semic attack, and I'd have to you know, he
Speaker 1: would kind of have to pin him down, and I'd
Speaker 1: have to put food in his mouth, and then we
Speaker 1: have to get the needles into him. So it's it
Speaker 1: could be quite full lot of times. But then other times,
Speaker 1: you know, you just learn to live in the moment
Speaker 1: because that's how Tom lived, and you learn so much
Speaker 1: about getting over stuff because there's just more to life
Speaker 1: and worrying about, you know, being stuck in traffic Sydney traffic,
Speaker 1: or not getting the new iPhone, you know, stuff that
Speaker 1: people lose their minds over. It just made me realize
Speaker 1: that more. I'm kind of just live in the moment,
Speaker 1: which was exactly what I needed being a youngster moving
Speaker 1: to that wild while Sitney lifestyle.
Speaker 2: And the goggle Box, of course, seems to kind of
Speaker 2: pride itself on showing diverse families in Australia. Did it
Speaker 2: annoy you a little bit that they chose not to
Speaker 2: include Tom as part of your family in the show?
Speaker 1: No, I know, the thing that was a lot of
Speaker 1: pressure for goggle Box because it just seems so much hate, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, what's the show? It sounds rubbish. So
Speaker 1: they didn't want it to be that show where they're
Speaker 1: putting in I don't know how to say this without
Speaker 1: coming across that I don't know. They say, I know
Speaker 1: what you do, and you know exactly what you you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. They don't want it to be
Speaker 1: that show where they're just putting in a bunch of
Speaker 1: minorities to sell it to people are like, oh, you
Speaker 1: know that. That's how they felt to serve. And also
Speaker 1: Tom was one do it because he would not want
Speaker 1: to sit for four hours watching the amount of crap
Speaker 1: we've watched. Sometimes amongst the amazing shows, we watched a
Speaker 1: lot of crap. He'd be like, I don't like it.
Speaker 1: I want to play my video games, I want to
Speaker 1: eat like good. Only we wanted to live his best life.
Speaker 1: We wouldn't have wanted to hold him down because that's
Speaker 1: not the way, That's not what we're there to do.
Speaker 1: You know, when he's half my support workers, we're not
Speaker 1: going to force him to do stuff. Plus Tom's very
Speaker 1: hard to understand, So every time Tom would have spoke,
Speaker 1: we either or I would have had to repeat what
Speaker 1: he said, because only close people to Tom can really
Speaker 1: understand what he's thinking and saying, so there'd be some
Speaker 1: titles or we'd have to repeat everything. So there was
Speaker 1: kind of reasons as to why Tom couldn't be apart,
Speaker 1: but there was no resentment there at all. If anything,
Speaker 1: Tom would have resented asked if we forced he watched
Speaker 1: that much television.
Speaker 3: Too much Bachelor for him. I was gonna say, what,
Speaker 3: oh God, what's.
Speaker 2: The reality of actually being on google Box? Because I mean,
Speaker 2: as I said, we all love the show, but do
Speaker 2: people recognize you on the street.
Speaker 3: I suppose when you were on google Box.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when Edie and I went together, especially when we
Speaker 1: were with like Sisy, our big bulldog, and the two
Speaker 1: Pomeranians we had at the time that are both passed
Speaker 1: now rest in peace, our little princes. They were kind
Speaker 1: of like the original google Box dogs. Yeah, we were together,
Speaker 1: people would buying the dog cart. So when we went
Speaker 1: to dog pubs and stuff. Even now, people will still
Speaker 1: yell out goggle Box girls, and a lot of people
Speaker 1: it is, and a lot of people at my book
Speaker 1: signings will still say we just loved you on google Box,
Speaker 1: and I was like, They're like, we watched the other shows,
Speaker 1: but we missed you so much on goggle Box. Are
Speaker 1: you coming back? I get that question every time I'm
Speaker 1: out and about usually when are you going back to
Speaker 1: goggle Box? And I'm like, guys, been here and they
Speaker 1: ain't taking us back. Once you leave and do other shows,
Speaker 1: they not having your back.
Speaker 2: Were you interested to see how they would actually cover
Speaker 2: the Bachelorette because I watched, you know, I was really
Speaker 2: interested to see how they would tackle it.
Speaker 1: Yes, I was interested in Slash, excited, slash, a bit nervous.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I'm still pretty close with all of them. Some are
Speaker 1: talking more than others, but that's just like any work,
Speaker 1: you know, friends, situation, you talk to some people more
Speaker 1: than others. I've got a lot of support, mainly from
Speaker 1: my goggle block, but yeah, I saw from the jungle
Speaker 1: some of them weren't that supportive of a little bit like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, here we go. But I sat on my
Speaker 1: couch for four years the same to other people, so
Speaker 1: you know, comma whatever it was my time to cover.
Speaker 2: And just how rigorous is the filming process? I mean,
Speaker 2: I suppose like for a lot of people watching at home.
Speaker 2: Is there a cameraman actually there or is it a
Speaker 2: camera setup or what exactly does that look like?
Speaker 3: In your house?
Speaker 1: There is an entire crew, so there's really like five people,
Speaker 1: but they're all set up. It was my at the time,
Speaker 1: so they do they operate everything from another room, so
Speaker 1: they'll have two cameras, but there's not a cameraman behind.
Speaker 1: So I mean after the second season, you don't even
Speaker 1: notice if the cameras are there. And we did it
Speaker 1: for four years, so it was just like second h
Speaker 1: to us. They're lighting and sounding into a mic and stuff,
Speaker 1: but nothing there to make you, you know, overly feel
Speaker 1: like you're not, you know, in the comfort of your
Speaker 1: home watching television with your friends or family or seven
Speaker 1: rescue dogs.
Speaker 2: Were you ever concerned about what you might say if
Speaker 2: it came back to buy you because I know, we
Speaker 2: always joke that our family would be amazing, that our
Speaker 2: dad would just be too offensive in his comments.
Speaker 3: From you know, the shows he watches. Yeah, are you
Speaker 3: have a bit worried?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: At first I think we were a little bit, and
Speaker 1: then with time because it was just like God, if
Speaker 1: I have to send to everything, I said there, there's
Speaker 1: be no point me talking because my brain to mouth
Speaker 1: ratio is like quite off sometimes and so as my
Speaker 1: heart to mouth ratio. So I usually say what I
Speaker 1: think and then later I'll go, oh, my god, oh
Speaker 1: that probably wasn't right. But they never showed me saying that,
Speaker 1: so they just show that's the thing. I'd say.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: We were never allowed at to be around the celebrities
Speaker 1: that we would speak about, so we felt really protected.
Speaker 1: And then when we got into the world of you know,
Speaker 1: after the Jungle and especially Bachelorette, I'm working with all
Speaker 1: these people I spoke about, I do get a little
Speaker 1: bit nervous because I'm like, for four years I watched
Speaker 1: you and they were like, yeah, and I remember you
Speaker 1: said this, and I was like, I don't remember. I
Speaker 1: just love.
Speaker 2: And one question I suppose people are interested to find
Speaker 2: out is how will you and Carlin be spending Christmas
Speaker 2: this year? Is your first Christmas together? Is the pressure
Speaker 2: on to see families and make it a special one?
Speaker 1: We were Yeah, we were originally going to do his
Speaker 1: family fos and then mine, but this was at a
Speaker 1: time where it was like still super fresh, and I
Speaker 1: thought to myself, if I was dating somebody in the
Speaker 1: real world after three months have been together. Even in
Speaker 1: the normal setup, I would never be like, again, I'm
Speaker 1: going to your house to christ and you're kind of fine,
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't. But I did feel this pressure of,
Speaker 1: like you after the show, you almost feel like you're engaged,
Speaker 1: and I had this I was putting pressure on it,
Speaker 1: which is not like me to do that, and I
Speaker 1: kind of I'm speaking to Georgia love actually, and I
Speaker 1: said to her, I just feel like I need to
Speaker 1: not rush it, but keep that flow of the show
Speaker 1: kind of alive. You know, there's a high, intense, bold feeling.
Speaker 1: She's like, no, you're at a real world now, girl,
Speaker 1: do what you would do. And I'm like, oh god,
Speaker 1: I'd take it. Let's go back to basics and let's
Speaker 1: just date and still be boyfriend girlfriend, but like just
Speaker 1: be normal. So he's I'm not going there for Christmas,
Speaker 1: but he's coming puts very infamous Kent Boxing Day, which
Speaker 1: I need to bribe all the boys on the show about.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, yeah, your don't behavior. Wo'd be coming
Speaker 1: to the Kent Boxing Day and everybody was like a
Speaker 1: joke we had in the mansion, so Yeah, he's coming
Speaker 1: for Boxing Day and we're going to spend Boxing Day
Speaker 1: and up until New Year's Day together.
Speaker 3: Oh that's so nice.
Speaker 2: And just lastly, so when I am massive Christmas fan,
Speaker 2: so we have to ask are you a big Christmas
Speaker 2: fan or can you sort of You're not you're not
Speaker 2: that into it?
Speaker 3: Not tragic like us?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my god, I love Christmas so much. I've
Speaker 1: already been to the Contrary Christmas Carols and then the
Speaker 1: next night I do the Karamunday Lake Christmas Carols and life.
Speaker 1: And we've got like Christmas Light looking we're going to
Speaker 1: do we go to that like what's that religious one
Speaker 1: down in a dream that they put on that big really? Oh,
Speaker 1: we have it, I know.
Speaker 2: All I'm such as for Christmas Treo, do you have
Speaker 2: a real Christmas tree or a fake?
Speaker 1: No, we have a thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all right.
Speaker 1: My family passes too, like we've got too much stuff
Speaker 1: going on, and there's a way will we be able
Speaker 1: to get a real Christmas tree up in horror? But no,
Speaker 1: I love Christmas. I love Christmas so much. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: And just lastly, obviously you've got your book out at
Speaker 2: the moment, what other exciting things you have planned for
Speaker 2: next year?
Speaker 3: And where can people get a copy of your book
Speaker 3: as well?
Speaker 1: I think my book is still here, there and everywhere,
Speaker 1: which is great. Again, I like to say very clearly
Speaker 1: that my book is in like a biography. I know,
Speaker 1: I'm only like twelve years old and I haven't lived
Speaker 1: a lot of lives to be like, listen to my
Speaker 1: story of my life. It's more like, you know, life lessons,
Speaker 1: what to do, what not to do for your best mate.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been through some stuff. I've learned. This
Speaker 1: is how I got navigated through some things. This is
Speaker 1: what you shouldn't do. I recommend, but again, I'm not
Speaker 1: a doctor or a spiritual guru. Kind of Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a nice, little lighthearted read. You can read a lot about,
Speaker 1: you know, living with people with the disability, rescuing dog, relationships, friendship,
Speaker 1: and I'm pretty sure it's still online book Tropia Dimmicks,
Speaker 1: and I think it's a lot like Target. Everything. Target
Speaker 1: sounds like a present. It's a cute little Christmas present
Speaker 1: and it's really easy reading my mom's goat done and
Speaker 1: read it in like an hour, put it down. I
Speaker 1: know that's my mom that's been embarrassing.
Speaker 2: Well, if your mom didn't like it, would be a
Speaker 2: bit concerned.
Speaker 3: She's loving it as well.
Speaker 1: At least I've got my mom and my number one.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for joining us. We've had
Speaker 2: such a lovely time chatting with you and we wish
Speaker 2: you all the best.
Speaker 3: But I hope you have a nice Christmas.
Speaker 1: Guy. It's merry Christmas and joy the festivities. And watch
Speaker 1: this face because there's some other exciting things popping up
Speaker 1: your full secret Squirrel, but time will reveal.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, so nearly said that at the same time. Sorry,
Speaker 3: we can't wait to find out.
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