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Speaker 1: are often marketed for their protein content. On today's episode

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Speaker 1: of The Nutrition Couch, we deep dive these snack foods

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 3: I'm Susi Burrow and I'm Lean Wood, and together.

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Speaker 1: We bring you The Nutrition Couch, the weekly podcast that

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Speaker 1: keeps you up to date on everything you need to

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Speaker 1: know in the world of nutrition as well as process

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Speaker 1: meat snacks. Today we are going to chat herbal supplements

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Speaker 1: and why you need to always be very careful with

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Speaker 1: sugar cereal option that we think rates pretty highly, and

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Speaker 1: our listener question is all about cheese.

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Speaker 3: But to kick us off today, Lean, we have been

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Speaker 3: wanting to tune.

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Speaker 1: In with our members or members, our followers, our listeners,

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Speaker 1: our family, our listener family, and I have to say that,

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Speaker 1: you know, when I run into someone who listens to

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Speaker 4: I know, it's like a listener family. I like it.

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Speaker 2: I was getting my makeup done at Mecca and these

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Speaker 4: They heard my voice and they like stuck their head

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Speaker 1: But we wanted to have a chat because many of

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Speaker 1: you will know that we launched our supplement range design

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Speaker 1: But there has often been questions about where people can

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Speaker 2: as their liver or their kidneys, because some of these

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Speaker 2: herbal supplements, although you might think that they're natural, they

439
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Speaker 2: can have really serious interactions with things like your blood pressure,

440
00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,560
Speaker 2: your heart medications, blood thinners, other medications.

441
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Speaker 4: Maybe if you're taking a supplement for.

442
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Speaker 2: Your thyroid, some of these natural products can really have

443
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Speaker 2: quite severe interactions. And I never ever recommend my clients

444
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Speaker 2: they're pregnant or they're breastfeeding, take any form of herbal

445
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Speaker 2: medicine unless it's under the direct sort of guidance of

446
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Speaker 2: a doctor, not a natural path not even really a dietician,

447
00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,840
Speaker 2: a doctor or you know, like an ob gyn who

448
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Speaker 2: actually understands, you know, the conditions of pregnancy.

449
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Speaker 4: Put it that way.

450
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Speaker 2: So I think that as Australians were too laxed when

451
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Speaker 2: it comes to herbal supplements, and I thought it was

452
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Speaker 2: a really good time to have a chat about this

453
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Speaker 2: because sure most of them may be generally harmless, but

454
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Speaker 2: there's a reason that they have a particular label.

455
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Speaker 4: It says, please get medical advice.

456
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Speaker 2: Never give these to children, never give these to pregnant

457
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Speaker 2: or breastfeeding women, because they can actually have some pretty

458
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Speaker 2: serious implications, and I think the labeling in the law

459
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Speaker 2: in Australia is very strict. What I also see, Susie

460
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Speaker 2: is a lot of these I guess natural medications.

461
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Speaker 4: Why people importing them.

462
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Speaker 2: Perhaps for their hormones, perhaps for their theoroid, perhaps for

463
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Speaker 2: you know, their immune system.

464
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Speaker 4: They're importing them from overseas.

465
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Speaker 2: They're buying them from these overseas websites, and that's where

466
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Speaker 2: the laws can get a little bit murky because they

467
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Speaker 2: might not have the strict labeling.

468
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Speaker 4: That we have here in Australia.

469
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Speaker 2: So I always say to my clients, be very careful

470
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Speaker 2: where your products are from, and be very careful to

471
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Speaker 2: be making sure you're under the guidance of a registered

472
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Speaker 2: health professional who really understands the implications of that, particularly

473
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Speaker 2: if you do have a background with a particular medical condition,

474
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Speaker 2: you are taking other types of medication, or you're going

475
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Speaker 2: through a period of your life where you need to

476
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Speaker 2: be a little bit more careful, i e. Pregnancy, breastfeeding, chemotherapy,

477
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Speaker 2: you have a compromised immune system. So that's sort of

478
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Speaker 2: my little herbal supplement rant today, SUSI, because I just

479
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Speaker 2: think it's something that we all need to, particularly in

480
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Speaker 2: the middle of winter, keep at the front of our

481
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Speaker 2: mind that just because it's herbal does not automatically mean

482
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Speaker 2: that it's safe.

483
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Speaker 1: I think that you and I have also been checking

484
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Speaker 1: out a range of different products recently, looking to formulate

485
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Speaker 1: new products for women, and we're both pretty shocked that

486
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Speaker 1: there's a whole lot of ingredients, some of which are

487
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Speaker 1: even better and in foods, you know, supplementary foods that

488
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Speaker 1: many of our listeners would buy and be familiar with.

489
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Speaker 1: Because what happens is the government organizations who regulate this

490
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Speaker 1: are so far behind the production, especially if it's online sales.

491
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Speaker 1: So someone a celebrity comes along and decides to make

492
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Speaker 1: a supplement and they throw in at what they like

493
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Speaker 1: and there's a buzz at the moment they might have

494
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Speaker 1: picked it up from overseas and they're selling it and

495
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Speaker 1: it's actually banned for use, and then it's years until

496
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Speaker 1: perhaps they have to reregulate it. So I as soon

497
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Speaker 1: as I see anything that's full of herbals, I would

498
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Speaker 1: be very, very careful, and I'd even be more careful

499
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Speaker 1: if it's formulated by someone who doesn't have any qualifications,

500
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Speaker 1: you know. So it's great to be an influencer, it's

501
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Speaker 1: great to be a celebrity with your own supplement range. Great,

502
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Speaker 1: you look amazing, but you actually don't have the formal

503
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Speaker 1: scientific qualifications to be formulating or selling supplements. And I

504
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Speaker 1: think there needs to be a much more crackdown on that,

505
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Speaker 1: and that with our own company, designed by dietitians, we're

506
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Speaker 1: deeply committed to making sure that whatever we put into

507
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Speaker 1: our products there's an evidence based for it for a reason.

508
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I just think we have to be really careful.

509
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Speaker 1: And it's a reminder because it's you know, I've had

510
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Speaker 1: clients or friends who have you know, had kidney issues

511
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Speaker 1: from overdosing things like herbal tea. They just think it's

512
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Speaker 1: a great idea to go on the diuretic tea and

513
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Speaker 1: lose lots of weight, and they completely muck their kidneys

514
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Speaker 1: up and end in renal failure. So, you know, too

515
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Speaker 1: much of anything is not good. And sometimes things that

516
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Speaker 1: we're not familiar with are not great to take. So

517
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Speaker 1: when it comes to hold and flu remedies and formulas,

518
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Speaker 1: ly and I'm all for the garlic, the ginger, the lemon,

519
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Speaker 1: the honey water.

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Speaker 3: I'd be staying well clear of anything that sounds too good.

521
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Speaker 1: To be true or is not a very reputable brand,

522
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Speaker 1: which you know, in the face of the one of

523
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Speaker 1: the poor man who passed away, that was actually a

524
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Speaker 1: very reputable company. It was just unfortunate he had an

525
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Speaker 1: allergy he didn't know about. But that could happen to

526
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Speaker 1: any of us, So I think be careful out there,

527
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Speaker 1: all right, Lan, Well, let's change of tum We're going

528
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Speaker 1: to be a bit more positive now because we've been

529
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Speaker 1: very ranty.

530
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Speaker 4: So that's what happens where we were recorded on a

531
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Speaker 4: Sunday afternoon. Just get fed up. By the end of

532
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Speaker 4: the week, we're tired.

533
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a positive spin on a cereal today

534
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Speaker 1: because we're very quick to jump on the bandwagon when

535
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Speaker 1: we're not happy with the product. But it was actually

536
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Speaker 1: nicely an sent me a product that you'll be familiar

537
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Speaker 1: with and a reasonably good option, you know, f food

538
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Speaker 1: that many children will like. So what we wanted to

539
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Speaker 1: talk about was the Uncle Toby's Cheerios low sugar breakfast

540
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Speaker 1: cereal now not inexpensive, retailing for seven dollars fifty. But

541
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Speaker 1: that's the case of packet food in Australia at the moment,

542
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Speaker 1: isn't it. It's got a four point five Health Star

543
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Speaker 1: rating and the reason for that is that it's actually

544
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Speaker 1: pretty good on the nutritionals and as we know, it

545
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Speaker 1: can be pretty tricky to get kids to eat cereals

546
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Speaker 1: that are a little bit plainer. So I look at

547
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Speaker 1: the ingredient list. There's a whole grain base of sixty

548
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Speaker 1: seven percent, which is pretty good, you know, with the

549
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Speaker 1: more the better. Oats are one hundred percent, but sixty

550
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Speaker 1: seven is up there. It's thirty three percent way, twenty

551
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Speaker 1: five percent corn, four point five percent oats, four point

552
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Speaker 1: five percent rice, wheat starts, chickory root fiber, which you

553
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Speaker 1: may be sensitive too if you've got a sensitive tummy,

554
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Speaker 1: so be mindful of that. There is sugar, vegetable oil, salt, cocoa, flavors,

555
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: city regulators, vitamins and minerals, but pretty clean in general.

556
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Speaker 1: But it's also giving you some calcium, iron, zinc, vitamin

557
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 1: CEB six nice and B one B two acid so

558
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Speaker 1: probably a particularly good one for kids who are a

559
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Speaker 1: little bit on the fussy side. Perserve it comes in

560
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Speaker 1: it just over one hundred calories per serve. Protein's reasonably

561
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Speaker 1: low two point one. The fiber or sorry, carbo hydro

562
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Speaker 1: it's nineteen point seven, and the sugar is pretty low

563
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Speaker 1: perserve at one point two. That is a good level.

564
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Speaker 1: Even though there's added sugar, it's a very small proportion.

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Speaker 1: As I mentioned, there's a whole range of nutrients going in,

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Speaker 1: and you're getting four point eight grams of dietary fiber

567
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Speaker 1: and one hundred and twenty milligrams of calcium and three

568
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Speaker 1: milligrams of iron. So I actually would be particularly a

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Speaker 1: fan for the more fussy child. They're going to get

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Speaker 1: a nice array of nutrition with that cereal. And I

571
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Speaker 1: think you said, Leanne that you use it as a

572
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Speaker 1: bit of a snack, as a healthier alternative to chips

573
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Speaker 1: and crackers, which I would agree it absolutely is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been giving this to my kids. It was

575
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Speaker 2: the only way we could bribe me to stay in

576
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Speaker 2: the stroller when she was little. We'd go for a

577
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Speaker 2: big walk in the morning and we'd start with, you know,

578
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Speaker 2: a little bit of toast or something, and then on

579
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Speaker 2: the walk back, we'd whip out the low sugar cheerios.

580
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Speaker 2: So these around a bright blue boxy Uncle Toby's cheerios.

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Speaker 2: I get the Vanilla O's. It's a low sugar variety.

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Speaker 2: And like Zee said, they're actually quite expensive. They're seven

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Speaker 2: dollars fifty. It's a big packet, but I routinely find

584
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Speaker 2: them on sale for half price. So I just picked

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Speaker 2: them up from Woolies literally yesterday, Susie, and they were

586
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Speaker 2: half priced that I think three dollars fifty or something.

587
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Speaker 2: So I sort of only buy them kind of once

588
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Speaker 2: a month because it's a really big box. And Mia

589
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,959
Speaker 2: calls them loops, so she goes, can I have some loops, Mummy.

590
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Speaker 2: But we've been using this as a snap for a while.

591
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Speaker 2: And I remember about a month or two ago, I

592
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Speaker 2: put it on my stories and some lady was not

593
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Speaker 2: happy with me.

594
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Speaker 4: She came at me and my DMS and she was like.

595
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Speaker 2: Oh, dietician promoting Sue Uncle Toby Syr or like how

596
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Speaker 2: you know, like you sponsored post, of course, and I

597
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Speaker 2: was like, it's not sponsored.

598
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Speaker 4: I've been buying this myself for a while.

599
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Speaker 2: Compared to the rest of the bulk of the breakfast cereals,

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Speaker 2: it's very good. Like it's nowhere near on par with

601
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Speaker 2: fruit loops. Like, as she said, the ingredient list is

602
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: pretty good. Could it be a little bit better, sure,

603
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: but it's sixty seven percent whole grain cereal. So the

604
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Speaker 2: bulk of the fiber eaten in the service some from

605
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Speaker 2: chickery root fiber, which for little kids who don't tend

606
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Speaker 2: to have a sensitive tummy as a sum of adults,

607
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 2: you know with ibs such as myself, I can't tolerate

608
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Speaker 2: chickery roots, but my kid's absolutely fine with it. It is

609
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Speaker 2: a positive, it's a probotic, so it's a positive influence

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Speaker 2: for your gut health. Combined with the actual fiber from

611
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Speaker 2: the whole grain cereals, that's a really nice amount of

612
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Speaker 2: fiber for kids.

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Speaker 4: And when you compare this to something like.

614
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Speaker 2: Corn flakes or fruit loops or cocoa pops, like, this

615
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 2: is far far better. Is it as good as our

616
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: whetbis or our Vita bricks? No?

617
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 4: Is it as good as the plain rolled oats? No?

618
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: But kids being kids, like, they need a bit of

619
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Speaker 2: flavor to their foods. And in my opinion, Suzi even

620
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 2: adults need a little bit of flavor to their foods. Like,

621
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Speaker 2: how many of us are going to sit down and

622
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: eat a plain bowl of viter bricks and all brown

623
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Speaker 2: for breakfast. Not many of us. We do know it's

624
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: one of the best varieties of cereal, but let's be honest,

625
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 2: it kind of tastes like cardboard at the end of

626
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 2: the day. So I use this as a little bit

627
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: of a sweet a snack for my kids, which is

628
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 2: far better than me throwing them a bag of Oreos

629
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Speaker 2: or tiny Teddies or anything like that. And from a

630
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 2: cost perspective, it's actually a lot cheaper.

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Speaker 4: Like you buy a.

632
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Speaker 2: Snack pack of Oreos or a snack pack of tiny Teddies,

633
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Speaker 2: I think you're looking at five bucks for maybe six packets.

634
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 2: As I mentioned, I buy it half price, and the

635
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 2: box is enormost like it's actually huge, and then I

636
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 2: decant it into like little small top aoid containers.

637
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Speaker 4: My kids just munch on this.

638
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 2: If I'm at the gym and I need to get,

639
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 2: you know, five or ten more minutes out of them

640
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: in the crati, I'll whip these out and they're pretty

641
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: happy to sit there for a little bit longer and

642
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: munch on these, so they're certainly not the world's healthiest product,

643
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 2: but they're also far, far better than the majority of

644
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 2: kid cereals on the market, and they do have that

645
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: little bit of sugar, which I feel like is important

646
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 2: from a taste and an enjoyment perspective, and compared to

647
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 2: the majority of kid cereals out there, this one ticks

648
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 2: all my boxes, Susie, so it's a big yes from me.

649
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: I like to be expider Brits in with a little

650
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 2: bit of this, and then I might put a little

651
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 2: bit of banana and some milk in there for the

652
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 2: kids if they're having it as a breakfast option. But

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Speaker 2: my kids really aren't into cereal. They're big toast lovers

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Speaker 2: for breakfast, so we tend to use it more as

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Speaker 2: a snack based option. So I just thought i'd give

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Speaker 2: our listeners a little bit of a hot tip what

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Speaker 2: I do in terms of for my younger kids. I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure if you know if you've got teenagers if

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Speaker 2: they like something like this, But for young kids, if

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Speaker 2: you outdate the park and you're just looking for a

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Speaker 2: little bit of a treat in the car to get

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Speaker 2: them through, they're quite sort of soft as a cereal too,

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Speaker 2: So when my kids were quite a little, particularly Tilly,

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Speaker 2: she likes them. I was a bit fearful of some

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Speaker 2: of the harder breakfast cereals as well from like a

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Speaker 2: choking risk, So I do like this one. It is

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Speaker 2: a little bit softer and smaller, so it's a little

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Speaker 2: bit easier for them to chew if they're a bit

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Speaker 2: smaller too.

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Speaker 1: I might try with the boys actually, because it's so

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Speaker 1: tricky with school lunchboxes and you end up reverting to

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Speaker 1: stuff like grain waves and shapes and they're not great.

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Speaker 1: It's just that you're trying to get a bit of

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Speaker 1: color in or you can't always bake and everyone else's

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Speaker 1: got stuff. So I actually might try it, putting them

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Speaker 1: in a little container and see if they like them.

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Speaker 1: Because I agree with you nutritionally, they're far superior to

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Speaker 1: most ultra process and neck fruit out there, and they

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Speaker 1: take quite a few nutritional boxes, including iron and calcium,

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Speaker 1: which are two nutrients that children can struggle with, particularly

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Speaker 1: through the day at school. So yeah, we'll give it

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Speaker 1: a go and pass it on.

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Speaker 2: And fiber like it's a decent like a fiber perserve,

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Speaker 2: which particularly I know, so many friends that are struggling

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Speaker 2: with their kids with constipation. I say, just give them fruit,

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Speaker 2: and they don't like fruit, and I just I think

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Speaker 2: that's so odd because my kids are both fruit bats.

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Speaker 2: But I do appreciate that some kids just don't like fruits.

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Speaker 2: So this is a really good option. If they're sort

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Speaker 2: of white kids, they like white bread, they like you know,

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Speaker 2: most white things, and they don't eat much fruits, you'll

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Speaker 2: really be struggling to get the amount of fiber in.

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Speaker 2: So this might just provide a little bit extra boost

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Speaker 2: to the diet.

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Speaker 3: Put it that way, true, true.

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Speaker 1: All right, le and well, for our last segment of

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Speaker 1: the week, we have got a listener question from one

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Speaker 1: of our audience on Instagram, and the question is, I

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Speaker 1: know that cottage cheese is good for you, but I

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Speaker 1: hate it? Can I sub in Ricosha, And first of all,

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Speaker 1: we would like to say that, yes, cottage cheese is

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Speaker 1: an acquiet taste. It's not for everyone, but you may

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Speaker 1: have noticed on social media there's a lot of recipes

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Speaker 1: popping up utilizing cottage cheese to make like rat breads

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Speaker 1: and all different forms. And in our upcoming book that's coming,

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Speaker 1: we're going to do a whole special podcast episode on it.

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Speaker 3: It's called Reset Norrish Burd.

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Speaker 1: We've got a couple of cottage cheese recipes in there,

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Speaker 1: and I do use it in cooking more than anything

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Speaker 1: than I would spread it on toast because it is

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Speaker 1: so exceptionally high in protein and calcium and low in calories,

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Speaker 1: which was why in the seventies it was always the

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Speaker 1: superior diet food. Now, ricotta is still very nutritious and

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Speaker 1: it is much lower in fat than yellow cheese. I

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Speaker 1: want to say ricotta comes in at about ten percent,

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Speaker 1: but I'm going to double check that while I'm talking.

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Speaker 1: It is still a good choice, but it is unfortunately

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Speaker 1: not comparable to cottage cheese. Cottage cheese is a real

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Speaker 1: anomaly because of the way do they concentrate the curds.

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Speaker 1: Isn't the isn't cottage cheese the curd component. That's why

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Speaker 1: it's so high in protein.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's why it's a little bit water on

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Speaker 4: top sometimes as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So it's a really specific food. But you know, it's

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Speaker 1: interesting I've got when I've got clients from European backgrounds,

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Speaker 1: in particularly like Jewish backgrounds, they're big eaters of that

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Speaker 1: of cottage cheese and or on that quark, you know

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Speaker 1: quark that comes from Scandinavia. So it's often a cultural

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Speaker 1: thing as well, whether we're familiar with it. I know

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Speaker 1: in the UK a lot of cottage cheese is popular

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Speaker 1: and my dad always has cottag cheese with salmon on

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Speaker 1: a sandwich. But just digressing for a second, because the

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Speaker 1: fat in rocotta is about six percent.

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Speaker 3: So actually very low.

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Speaker 1: That's in a light rocotta, but the protein's eight point six,

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Speaker 1: which is about half that of cottage cheese, so it's

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Speaker 1: still a really good choice. It's definitely a lighter option

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Speaker 1: than regular cheese, I like because with the racotta you

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Speaker 1: tend to spread it a bit thinner, I think on

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Speaker 1: a slice of protein toast or dense hole grain toast

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Speaker 1: with tomato, or even a little bit of banana and

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Speaker 1: a little bit of honey. It's a great option to

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Speaker 1: increase the protein and you can go quite heavy with

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Speaker 1: the portions. But it's not equivalent unfortunately, So yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: sort of middle ground. I think it's a really nutritious food,

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Speaker 1: it's just not the same and you're not getting as

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Speaker 1: much protein. So I would still team rocotta with a

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Speaker 1: protein toast at breakfast, whereas you could get away with

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Speaker 1: cottage cheese on regular toast and really tick the box

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Speaker 1: on your protein targets.

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Speaker 2: I give my clients rocotder with like an egg, you

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Speaker 2: know how, Sometimes I would routinely like my clients to

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Speaker 2: have two or three eggs, because one egg is only

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Speaker 2: roughly six grams of protein. It's actually not enough protein,

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Speaker 2: particularly if the goal is to maintain or.

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Speaker 4: Build a little bit of muscle.

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Speaker 2: But I guess a lot of my clients are like, look,

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Speaker 2: I just can't do three eggs, and I'm like, no,

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Speaker 2: I'll get it. It's a lot of eggs. So what

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Speaker 2: I'll do is I'll team one or two eggs with

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Speaker 2: some rocotta. So it certainly does have some benefits, but

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Speaker 2: like you said, it's not quite.

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Speaker 4: As good as cottage cheese.

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Speaker 2: But if you don't like cottas cheese, you don't like

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Speaker 2: cottage cheese, and certainly ricotta is the next best option.

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Speaker 2: But I would still look to be adding a little

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Speaker 2: bit of extra protein in there, whether that's recotta and

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Speaker 2: a little bit of smoke salmon. You might want to

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Speaker 2: do it on a bit of protein toast, Like Susie mentioned,

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Speaker 2: you might also do a bit of ricotta with some

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Speaker 2: smash at amamai beans and a little bit of avocado

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Speaker 2: or something that can be a nice little thing to

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Speaker 2: kind of whip up as a bit of a spread

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Speaker 2: for your toast. So I'm a big fan of ricotta.

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Speaker 2: I use it instead of white sauce in my lasagna.

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Speaker 2: Like when I'm making a lasagna, I get a couple

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Speaker 2: of tubs of ricotta and spread that on. But I

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Speaker 2: find that the biggest reason my clients don't like cottage cheese, Susie,

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Speaker 2: is because of the texture.

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Speaker 4: It's not so much the taste is the texture.

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Speaker 2: And I know there's a big trend on Instagram or

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Speaker 2: TikTok at the moment blending cottage cheese to do blended

784
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Speaker 2: cottage cheese, and that's how a lot of people are

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Speaker 2: getting around the texture. But I just think I'm not

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Speaker 2: gonna have to clean my entire blender just to blend

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Speaker 2: up cottash sheese. Like I'll just suffer through the texture

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Speaker 2: and get it down because it's good.

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Speaker 4: I actually don't mind the taste of it.

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Speaker 2: But if you want to go the next step and

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Speaker 2: you want to blend your cottage cheese, see if that

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Speaker 2: helps you out a little bit, and then adding a

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Speaker 2: nice herb taste of that. So deal goes really well

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Speaker 2: with cottage cheese, a little squeeze of lemon juice, crack

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Speaker 2: a black pepper, a little bit of gar like.

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Speaker 4: I think the.

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Speaker 2: Flavoring in cottage cheese can go a long way because

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Speaker 2: it's quite bland by itself, and then other mashing it

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Speaker 2: down really well or blending it. If you're a textual person,

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Speaker 2: that can be helpful as well. If not, recorda is

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Speaker 2: absolutely the next best thing for you.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing is it doesn't make a massive

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Speaker 1: difference if you do regular cottage cheese or low fat

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Speaker 1: like they're all really good. Because I have that question come.

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Speaker 2: I think most of them are low fat though, like

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Speaker 2: a lot of my clients are like, is this low fat?

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I think all of them are low fat.

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Speaker 3: Like it pretty low.

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Speaker 1: It's like, it doesn't make a significant difference whether you

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Speaker 1: go for the high protein one. They're all actually pretty similar,

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Speaker 1: so don't be sucked into that.

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Speaker 3: Just go with the one you like.

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Speaker 1: I would suggest, but with recotder, I would go for

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Speaker 1: a light recorder that will slash the fat down a

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Speaker 1: bit more.

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Speaker 2: Also, quick glass, little tip buller do a really good

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Speaker 2: is it cheese and chive cotta cheese?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's hard to get. It's so hard to get.

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Speaker 1: It's not available like it used to be.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I find it, regulate my one. It's tasty.

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Speaker 2: So if you're not a coottas shoes fan, if you

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Speaker 2: can find that one, give that a whirl and maybe

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Speaker 2: it can kind of ease you into it.

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Speaker 1: I like when they used to have the snackpack one

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Speaker 1: h but they don't have that anymore.

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Speaker 3: AnyWho.

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Speaker 1: That brings us to the end of the disitionion couch

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Speaker 1: for another week. Keep telling your friends about us, and

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Speaker 1: like that who might be interested, and we will see

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Speaker 1: you same time next Wednesday for another episode. Have a

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Speaker 1: great week.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for listening, guys,