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Speaker 1: I'm Susy Burrow and o'mile and Wood, and together we

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Speaker 2: serious interactions with things like your blood pressure, your heart medications,

438
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Speaker 2: blood thinns, other medications. Maybe if you're taking a supplement

439
00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,119
Speaker 2: for your thyroid, some of these natural products can really

440
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Speaker 2: have quite severe interactions. And I never ever recommend my

441
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Speaker 2: clients they're pregnant or they're breastfeeding, take any form of

442
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Speaker 2: herbal medicine unless it's under the direct sort of guidance

443
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Speaker 2: of a doctor, not a natural path not even really

444
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Speaker 2: a dietician, a doctor or you know, like an obtuion

445
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Speaker 2: who actually understands.

446
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Speaker 4: You know, the conditions of pregnancy. Put it that way.

447
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Speaker 2: So I think that as Australians were too laxed when

448
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Speaker 2: it comes to herbal supplements. And I thought it was

449
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Speaker 2: a really good time to have a chat about this,

450
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,720
Speaker 2: because sure most of them may be generally harmless, but

451
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Speaker 2: there's a reason that they have a particular label. It

452
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Speaker 2: says please get medical advice, Never give these to children,

453
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Speaker 2: never give these to pregnant of breastfeeding women, because they

454
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Speaker 2: can actually have some pretty serious implications, and I think

455
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Speaker 2: the labeling in the law in Australia is very strict.

456
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Speaker 2: What I also see, Susie is a lot of these

457
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Speaker 2: I guess natural medications. Why people importing them, perhaps for

458
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Speaker 2: their hormones, perhaps for their theoroid, perhaps for you know,

459
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Speaker 2: their immune system.

460
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Speaker 4: They're importing them from overseas.

461
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Speaker 2: They're buying them from these overseas websites, and that's where

462
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,679
Speaker 2: the laws can get a little bit murky because they

463
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,200
Speaker 2: might not have the strict labeling that we have here

464
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Speaker 2: in Australia. So I always say to my clients, be

465
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Speaker 2: very careful where your products are from, and be very

466
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Speaker 2: careful to be making sure you're under the guidance of

467
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Speaker 2: a registered health professional who really understands the implications of that,

468
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Speaker 2: particularly if you do have a background with a particular

469
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Speaker 2: medical condition, you are taking other types of medication, or

470
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Speaker 2: you're going through a period of your life where you

471
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Speaker 2: need to be a little bit more careful ie pregnancy, breastfeeding, chemotherapy,

472
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Speaker 2: you have a compromised immune system.

473
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Speaker 4: So that's sort of my.

474
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Speaker 2: Little herbal supplement rant today, SUSI, because I just think

475
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Speaker 2: it's something that we all need to, particularly in the

476
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Speaker 2: middle of winter, keep at the front of our mind

477
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Speaker 2: that just because it's herbal does not automatically mean that

478
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Speaker 2: it's safe.

479
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Speaker 1: I think that you and I have also been checking

480
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Speaker 1: out a range of different products recently, looking to formulate

481
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Speaker 1: new products for women, and we're both pretty shocked that

482
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Speaker 1: there's a whole lot of ingredients, some of which are

483
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Speaker 1: even better and in foods, you know, supplementary foods that

484
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Speaker 1: many of our listeners would buy and be familiar with.

485
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Speaker 1: Because what happens is the government organizations who regulate this

486
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Speaker 1: are so far behind the production, especially if it's online sales.

487
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Speaker 1: So someone a celebrity comes along and decides to make

488
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Speaker 1: a supplement and they throw in at what they like

489
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Speaker 1: and there's a buzz at the moment they might have

490
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Speaker 1: picked it up from overseas and they're selling it and

491
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Speaker 1: it's actually banned for use, and then it's years until

492
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Speaker 1: perhaps they have to reregulate it. So I as soon

493
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Speaker 1: as I see anything that's full of herbals, I would

494
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Speaker 1: be very, very careful, and I'd even be more careful

495
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Speaker 1: if it's formulated by someone who doesn't have any qualifications,

496
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Speaker 1: you know. So it's great to be an influencer, it's

497
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Speaker 1: great to be a celebrity with your own supplement range. Great,

498
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Speaker 1: you look amazing, but you actually don't have the formal

499
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Speaker 1: scientific qualifications to be formulating or selling supplements. And I

500
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Speaker 1: think there needs to be a much more cracked down

501
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Speaker 1: on that, and that with our own company designed by dietitians,

502
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Speaker 1: we're deeply committed to making sure that whatever we put

503
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Speaker 1: into our products there's an evidence based for it for

504
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Speaker 1: a reason.

505
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Speaker 5: So yeah, I just think we have to be really careful.

506
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Speaker 1: And it's a reminder because it's you know, I've had

507
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Speaker 1: clients or friends who have you know, had kidney issues

508
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Speaker 1: from overdosing things like herbal tea. They just think it's

509
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Speaker 1: a great idea to go on the diuretic tea and

510
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Speaker 1: lose lots of weight, and they completely muck their kidneys

511
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Speaker 1: up and end in renal failure. So, you know, too

512
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Speaker 1: much of anything is not good and sometimes things that

513
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Speaker 1: we're not familiar with are not great to take. So

514
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Speaker 1: when it comes to hold and flu remedies and formulasly

515
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Speaker 1: and I'm all for the garlic, the ginger, the lemon,

516
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Speaker 1: the honey water, I'd be staying well clear of anything

517
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Speaker 1: that sounds too good to be true or is not

518
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Speaker 1: a very reputable brand, which you know, in the face

519
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Speaker 1: of the one of the poor man who passed away,

520
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Speaker 1: that was actually a very reputable company. It was just

521
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 1: unfortunately he had an allergy he didn't know about. But

522
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Speaker 1: that could happen to any of us, So I think

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Speaker 1: be careful out there, all right, Land, Well, let's change

524
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Speaker 1: of tun We're going to be a bit more positive

525
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Speaker 1: now because we've been very ranty.

526
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Speaker 2: So that's what happens where we were recorded on a

527
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Speaker 2: Sunday afternoon. Just get fed up by the end of.

528
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Speaker 5: The week, we're tired.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but we have a positive spin on a cereal

530
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Speaker 1: today because we're very quick to jump on the bandwagon

531
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Speaker 1: when we're not happy with the product. But it was

532
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Speaker 1: actually nicely An sent me a product that you'll be

533
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Speaker 1: familiar with and a reasonably good option. You f food

534
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Speaker 1: that many children will like, So what we wanted to

535
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Speaker 1: talk about was the Uncle Toby's Cheios low sugar breakfast cereal.

536
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Speaker 1: Now not inexpensive, retailing for seven dollars fifty, but that's

537
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Speaker 1: the case of packet food in Australia at the.

538
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Speaker 5: Moment, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: It's got a four point five Health Star rating and

540
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Speaker 1: the reason for that is that it's actually pretty good

541
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Speaker 1: on the nutritionals and as we know, it can be

542
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Speaker 1: pretty tricky to get kids to eat cereals that are

543
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Speaker 1: a little bit plainer. So I look at the ingredient list.

544
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Speaker 1: There's a whole grain base of sixty seven percent, which

545
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Speaker 1: is pretty good, you know, with the more the better.

546
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Speaker 1: Oats are one hundred percent, but sixty seven is up there.

547
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Speaker 1: It's thirty three percent way, twenty five percent corn, four

548
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Speaker 1: point five percent oats, four point five percent rice, wheat starts,

549
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Speaker 1: chickory root fiber, which you may be sensitive to if

550
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Speaker 1: you've got a sensitive tummy, so be mindful of that.

551
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Speaker 1: There is sugar, vegetable oil, salt, cocoa flavors, city regulators,

552
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: vitamins and minerals, but pretty clean in general. But it's

553
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Speaker 1: also giving you some calcium, iron, zinc, vitamin CEB six

554
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Speaker 1: nice and B one B two folic acid, so probably

555
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Speaker 1: a particularly good one for kids who are a little

556
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Speaker 1: bit on the fussy side. Perserve it comes in it

557
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Speaker 1: just over one hundred calories per serve. Protein's reasonably low

558
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Speaker 1: two point one, the fiber or sorry, carbo hydro it's

559
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Speaker 1: nineteen point seven, and the sugar is pretty low perserve

560
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Speaker 1: at one point two. That is a good level. Even

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Speaker 1: though there's added sugar, it's a very small proportion. As

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Speaker 1: I mentioned, there's a whole range of nutriments going in,

563
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Speaker 1: and you're getting four point eight grams of dietary fiber

564
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Speaker 1: and one hundred and twenty milligrams of calcium and three

565
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Speaker 1: milligrams of iron. So I actually would be particularly a

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Speaker 1: fan for the more fussy child. They're going to get

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Speaker 1: a nice array of nutrition with that cereal. And I

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Speaker 1: think you said, Leanne that you use it as a

569
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Speaker 1: bit of a snack, as a healthier alternative to chips

570
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Speaker 1: and crackers, which I would agree it absolutely is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been giving this to my kids. It was

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Speaker 2: the only way we could bribe me to stay in

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Speaker 2: the stroller when she was little. We'd go for a

574
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Speaker 2: big walk in the morning, and we'd start with, you know,

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Speaker 2: a little bit of toast or something, and then on

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Speaker 2: the walk back we'd whip out the low sugar cheerios.

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Speaker 2: So these areund a bright blue boxy Uncle Toby's cheerios.

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Speaker 2: I get the Vanilla O's. It's a low sugar variety.

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Speaker 2: And like Zeue said, they're actually quite expensive. They're seven

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Speaker 2: dollars fifty. It's a big packet, but I routinely find

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Speaker 2: them on sale for half price. So I just picked

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Speaker 2: them up from Woollies literally yesterday, Susie, and they were

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Speaker 2: half priced that I think three dollars fifty or something.

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Speaker 2: So I sort of only buy them kind of once

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Speaker 2: a month because it's a really big box. And Mia

586
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Speaker 2: calls them loops, so she goes, can I have some loops, Mummy?

587
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Speaker 2: But we've been using this as a snack for a while.

588
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Speaker 2: And I remember about a month or two ago, I

589
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Speaker 2: put it on my stories and some lady was not

590
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Speaker 2: happy with me. She came at me and my DMS

591
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Speaker 2: and she was like, oh, dietician promoting. So Uncle Toby

592
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Speaker 2: syr like, how you know, like you sponsored post of course,

593
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Speaker 2: and I was like, it's not sponsored. I've been buying

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Speaker 2: this myself for a while. Compared to the rest of

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Speaker 2: the bulk of the breakfast cereals, it's very good. Like

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Speaker 2: it's nowhere near on par with fruit loops. Like, as

597
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Speaker 2: you said, the ingredient list is pretty good. Could it

598
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Speaker 2: be a little bit better, sure, but it's sixty seven

599
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Speaker 2: percent whole grain cereal. So the bulk of the fiber

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Speaker 2: eaten in the service some from chickery root fiber, which

601
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Speaker 2: for little kids who don't tend to have a sensitive

602
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Speaker 2: tummy as a sum of adults, you know with ibs

603
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Speaker 2: such as myself, I can't tolerate chickery roots, but my

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Speaker 2: kid's absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Fine with it.

606
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Speaker 2: It is a positive, it's a probotic, so it's a

607
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Speaker 2: positive influence for your gut health.

608
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Speaker 4: Combined with the actual.

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Speaker 2: Fiber from the whole grain cereals, that's a really nice

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Speaker 2: amount of fiber for kids.

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Speaker 4: And when you compare this to something like.

612
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Speaker 2: Corn flakes or fruit loops or cocoa pops, like, this

613
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: is far far better. Is it as good as our

614
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 2: wheatbis or our Vita bricks?

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00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 3: No?

616
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 4: Is it as good as some plain rolled oats?

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Speaker 3: No?

618
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Speaker 2: But kids being kids, like they need a bit of

619
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Speaker 2: flavor to their foods, and in my opinion, Suzi, even

620
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Speaker 2: adults need a little bit of flavor to their foods.

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Speaker 2: Like how many of us are going to sit down

622
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Speaker 2: and eat a plain bowl of vider bricks and all

623
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Speaker 2: brea and for breakfast?

624
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Speaker 4: Not many of us.

625
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 2: We do know it's one of the best varieties of cereal,

626
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Speaker 2: but let's be honest, it kind of tastes like cardboard

627
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 2: at the end of the day. So I use this

628
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 2: as a little bit of a sweeter snack for my kids,

629
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Speaker 2: which is far better than me throwing them a bag

630
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 2: of Oreos or tiny Teddies or anything like that. And

631
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Speaker 2: from a cost perspective, it's actually a lot cheaper. Like

632
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Speaker 2: you buy a snack pack of Oreos or a snack

633
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Speaker 2: pack of tiny Teddies, I think you're looking at five

634
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: bucks for maybe six packets. As I mentioned, I buy

635
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Speaker 2: it half price and the box is 'enormost like it's

636
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 2: actually huge, and then I decant it into like little

637
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Speaker 2: small top ooid containers.

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Speaker 4: Kid's just munch on this.

639
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 2: If I'm at the gym and I need to get,

640
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 2: you know, five or ten more minutes out of them

641
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: in the crati, I'll whip these out and they're pretty

642
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: happy to sit there for a little bit longer and

643
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 2: munch on these. So they're certainly not the world's healthiest product,

644
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: but they're also far, far better than the majority of

645
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 2: kid cereals on the market, and they do have that

646
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: little bit of sugar, which I feel like is important

647
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 2: from a taste and an enjoyment perspective, and compared to

648
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Speaker 2: the majority of kid cereals out there, this one ticks

649
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: all my boxes, Susie, so it's a.

650
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 4: Big yest from me.

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Speaker 2: I like to be expider Brits in with a little

652
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Speaker 2: bit of this, and then I might put a little

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Speaker 2: bit of banana and some milk in there for the

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Speaker 2: kids if they're having it as a breakfast option.

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Speaker 4: But my kids really aren't into cereal.

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Speaker 2: They're big toast lovers for breakfast, so we tend to

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Speaker 2: use it more as a snack based option. So I

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Speaker 2: just thought i'd give our listeners a little bit of

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Speaker 2: a hot tip what I do in terms of for

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Speaker 2: my younger kids. I'm not sure if you know, if

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Speaker 2: you've got teenagers if they like something like this, but

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Speaker 2: for young kids, if you outdate the park and you're

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Speaker 2: just looking for a little bit of a treat in

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Speaker 2: the car to get them through. They're quite sort of

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Speaker 2: soft as a cereal too, so when my kids were

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Speaker 2: quite little, particularly Tilly, she likes them. I was a

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Speaker 2: bit fearful of some of the harder breakfast cereals as well,

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Speaker 2: from like a choking wrist, so I do like this one.

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Speaker 2: It is a little bit softer and smaller, so it's

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Speaker 2: a little bit easier for them to chew if they're

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Speaker 2: a bit smaller too.

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Speaker 1: I might try with the boys actually, because it's so

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Speaker 1: tricky with school lunchboxes and you end up reverting to

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Speaker 1: stuff like grain waves and shapes and they're not great.

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Speaker 1: It's just that you're trying to get a bit of

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Speaker 1: color in or you can't always bake and everyone else's

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Speaker 1: got stuff. So I actually might try it, putting them

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Speaker 1: in a little container and see if they like them,

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Speaker 1: because I agree with you. Nutritionally, they're far superior to

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Speaker 1: most ultra process net fruit out there, and they take

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Speaker 1: quite a few nutritional boxes, including iron and calcium, which

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Speaker 1: are two nutrients that children can struggle with, particularly through

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Speaker 1: the day at school.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, we'll give it a go and pass it on.

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Speaker 2: And fiber like it's a decent like a fiber perserve,

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Speaker 2: which particularly I know so many friends that are struggling

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Speaker 2: with their kids with constipation.

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Speaker 4: I say, just give them fruit, and.

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Speaker 2: They don't like fruit, and I just I think that's

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Speaker 2: so odd because my kids are both fruit bats. But

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Speaker 2: I do appreciate that some kids just don't like fruits.

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Speaker 2: So this is a really good option. If they're sort

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Speaker 2: of white kids, they like white bread, they like you know,

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Speaker 2: most white things, and they don't eat much fruits, you'll

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Speaker 2: really be struggling to get the amount of fiber in.

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Speaker 2: So this might just provide a little bit extra boost

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Speaker 2: to the diet.

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Speaker 5: Put it that way, true, true.

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Speaker 1: All right, Lea, and well, for our last segment of

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Speaker 1: the week, we have got a listener question from one

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Speaker 1: of our audience on Instagram, and the question is I

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Speaker 1: know that cottage cheese is good for you, but I

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Speaker 1: hate it? Can I sub in Ricosha, And first of all,

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Speaker 1: we would like to say that, yes, cottage cheese is

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Speaker 1: an acquiet taste. It's not for everyone, but you may

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Speaker 1: have noticed on social media there's a lot of recipes

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Speaker 1: popping up utilizing cottage cheese to make like rap breads

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Speaker 1: and all different forms, and in our upcoming book that's coming,

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Speaker 1: we're going to do a whole special podcast episode on

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Speaker 1: It's called Reset Nourish Burd.

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Speaker 5: We've got a couple of cottage cheese recipes.

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Speaker 1: In there, and I do use it in cooking more

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Speaker 1: than anything than I would spread it on toast because

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Speaker 1: it is so exceptionally high in protein and calcium and

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Speaker 1: low in calories, which was why in the seventies it

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Speaker 1: was always the superior diet food. Now, ricotta is still

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Speaker 1: very nutritious and it is much lower in fat than

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Speaker 1: yellow cheese. I want to say ricotta comes in at

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Speaker 1: about ten percent, but I'm going to double check that

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Speaker 1: while I'm talking. It is still a good choice, but

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Speaker 1: it is unfortunately not comparable to cottage cheese. Cottage cheese

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Speaker 1: is a real anomaly because of the way do they

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Speaker 1: concentrate the curds. Isn't the isn't cottage cheese the curd component.

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Speaker 1: That's why it's so high in protein.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why it's a little bit water around

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Speaker 2: on top sometimes as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's a really specific food. But you know,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting. I've got when I've got clients from European

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Speaker 1: backgrounds in particularly like Jewish backgrounds. They're big eaters of

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Speaker 1: that of cottage cheese and or on that quark, you know,

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Speaker 1: quark that comes from Scandinavia. So it's often a cultural

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Speaker 1: thing as well, whether we're familiar with it. I know

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Speaker 1: in the UK a lot of cottage cheese is popular

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Speaker 1: and my dad always cottag cheese with salmon on a sandwich.

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Speaker 1: But just digressing for a second, because the fat in

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Speaker 1: rocotta is about six percent, so actually very low. That's

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Speaker 1: in a light rocotta, but the protein's eight point six

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Speaker 1: which is about half that of cottage cheese, so it's

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Speaker 1: still a really good choice. It's definitely a lighter option

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Speaker 1: than regular cheese, I like because with the rocotda you

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Speaker 1: tend to spread it a bit thinner, I think on

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Speaker 1: a slice of protein toast or dense whole grain toast

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Speaker 1: with tomato or even a little bit of banana and

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Speaker 1: a little bit of honey. It's a great option to

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Speaker 1: increase the protein and you can go quite heavy with

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Speaker 1: the portions. But it's not equivalent unfortunately. So yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: sort of middle ground. I think it's a really nutritious food,

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Speaker 1: it's just not the same and you're not getting as

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Speaker 1: much protein. So I would still team rocotta with a

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Speaker 1: protein toast at breakfast, whereas you could get away with

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Speaker 1: cottage cheese on regular toast and really tick the box

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Speaker 1: on your protein targets.

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Speaker 2: I give my clients rocotda with like an egg, you

754
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Speaker 2: know how, sometimes I would routinely let my clients to

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Speaker 2: have two or three eggs, because one egg is only

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Speaker 2: roughly six grams of protein. It's actually not enough protein,

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Speaker 2: particularly if the goal is to maintain or build a

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Speaker 2: little bit of muscle. But I guess a lot of

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Speaker 2: my clients are like, look, I just can't do three eggs,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, no, I'll get it. It's a lot

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Speaker 2: of eggs. So what I'll do is I'll team one

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Speaker 2: or two eggs with some rocotta. So it certainly does

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Speaker 2: have some benefits, but like you said, it's not quite.

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Speaker 4: As good as cottage cheese.

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Speaker 2: But if you don't like cottage chees, you don't like

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Speaker 2: cottage cheese, and certainly ricotta is the next best option.

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Speaker 2: But I would still look to be adding a little

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Speaker 2: bit of extra protein in there, whether that's coda and

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Speaker 2: a little bit of smoke, salmon you might want to

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Speaker 2: do it on a bit of protein toast, like Susie mentioned,

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Speaker 2: you might also do a bit of ricotta with some

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Speaker 2: smash at amamai beans and a little bit of avocado

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Speaker 2: or something that can be a nice little thing to

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Speaker 2: kind of whip up as a bit of a spread

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Speaker 2: for your toast. So I'm a big fan of ricotta.

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Speaker 2: I use it instead of white sauce in my lasagna.

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Speaker 2: Like when I'm making a lasagna, I get a couple

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Speaker 2: of tubs of ricotta and spread that on. But I

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Speaker 2: find that the biggest reason my clients don't like cottage cheese, Susie,

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Speaker 2: is because of the texture.

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Speaker 4: It's not so much the taste is the texture.

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Speaker 2: And I know there's a big trend on Instagram or

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Speaker 2: TikTok at the moment blending cottage cheese to do blended

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Speaker 2: cottage cheese, and that's how a lot of people are

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Speaker 2: getting around the texture. But I just think I'm not

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Speaker 2: gonna have to clean my entire blender just to blend

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Speaker 2: up cottash cheese. Like I'll just suffer through the texture

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Speaker 2: and get it down because it's good.

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Speaker 4: I actually don't mind the taste of it.

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Speaker 2: But if you want to go the next step and

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Speaker 2: you want to blend your cottage cheese, see if that

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00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: helps you out a little bit, and then adding a

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Speaker 2: nice herb taste. That so deal goes really well with

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Speaker 2: cottage cheese, A little squeeze of lemon juice, crack a

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Speaker 2: black pepper, a little bit of gar like. I think

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Speaker 2: the flavoring in cottage cheese can go a long way

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Speaker 2: because it's quite bland by itself, and then other mashing

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Speaker 2: it down really well or blending it. If you're a

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Speaker 2: textual person, that can be helpful as well. If not,

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Speaker 2: recorda is absolutely the next best thing for you.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing is it doesn't make a massive

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Speaker 1: difference if you do regular cottage cheese or low fat,

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00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: like they're all really good because I have that question come.

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Speaker 2: I think most of them are low fat though, like

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Speaker 2: a lot of my clients are like, is this low fat?

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, I think all of them are low fat, Like.

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Speaker 5: It's pretty low.

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Speaker 1: It's like, it doesn't make a significant difference whether you

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Speaker 1: go for the high protein one. They're all actually pretty similar,

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Speaker 1: So don't be sucked into that. Just go with the

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Speaker 1: one you like, I would suggest, but with recoder. I

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Speaker 1: would go for a light recorder that will slash the

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Speaker 1: fat down a bit more.

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Speaker 2: Also quick glass, little tip buller do a really good

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Speaker 2: is it cheese and chive cotta cheese?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's hard to get. It's so hard to get.

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Speaker 1: It's not available like it used to be.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I find it, regulate my one. It's tasty. So

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Speaker 4: if you're not a Cottash shoes.

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Speaker 2: Fan, if you can find that one, give that a

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Speaker 2: whirl and maybe it can kind of ease you into it.

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Speaker 1: I like when they used to have the snack pack

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Speaker 1: one h but they don't have that anymore.

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Speaker 4: AnyWho.

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Speaker 1: That brings us to the end of the Disitionition couch

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Speaker 1: for another week. Keep telling your friends about us, and

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Speaker 1: particularly any friends who might have an exercise studio or

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Speaker 1: physiopractice or pilate studio or supplement shop, because we would

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Speaker 1: love them to consider stocking our design by Dietitians proteins.

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Speaker 1: So please get in touch if you've got any contacts

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Speaker 1: like that who might be interested, and we will see

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Speaker 1: you same time next Wednesday for another episode.

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Speaker 5: Have a great week.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for listening, guys,