1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Jonesy and Demanda podcast. 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 2: Let's talk about Neanderthals. Remember the chart that you saw 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 2: when you were at school of the ascent of Man? 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 2: Is that what it was. There'd be a hunched over chimpanzee, 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 2: then gradually standing slightly more upright, until eventually you saw 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 2: the Homo sapien. 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 3: And there was chromegnum man. 8 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: Chromegnum man, and the Homo sapien. The Neanderthal was somewhere 9 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 2: in the middle of all that, and the Anderthal was 10 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 2: a slight, heavy browed, crouched over, hairy creature. Yep, what 11 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: they are saying now. I heard an interesting podcast is 12 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: as a New York Times did a podcast on this, 13 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 2: is that when they found the skeleton of the Neanderthal 14 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 2: and then sort of put it together shonkily, they kind 15 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 2: of didn't put it together correctly, then just drew it 16 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 2: with hair on it. And that's the image we've had 17 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 2: of the Neanderthal or Neanderthal as some people say. But 18 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: apparently the one skeleton they had they've discovered now was 19 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: an old one that had osteoarth writers. So to be 20 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 2: like taking someone who is suffering terribly from arthritis and 21 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: all stoopid and saying that's what all human beings look like. Ah, 22 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: so we have attributed a lot of imagery to Neanderthal 23 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: That isn't necessarily true. 24 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 3: You just hadn't mean drinking the A two milk and. 25 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: Take your tablets, for God's sake, take your calcium. 26 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 3: Has he been at a chemists warehouse? 27 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: But what they're saying now is that other studies have 28 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 2: also shown that Neanderthals were, as they say here, robust, clever, 29 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 2: They used tools, well fed. They may have been the 30 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 2: first ones to harness fire. There's evidence I don't know 31 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: how they found this evidence that maybe they kissed written 32 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 2: in the tree, that they held funerals for each other, 33 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 2: which shows that they had empathy and family community relations 34 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: with you know, an emotional kind of component to it. 35 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: So not the caveman stereotype that we've all fought. So 36 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: they're going back now and looking at that. And of 37 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: course the way the chain goes is that where most 38 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: of us would have maybe up to two percent maybe 39 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: more than that of Neanderthal genes DNA. So at some 40 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: point we splintered off. The Homo sapiens went towards Africa. 41 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 2: I think and the Neanderthals maybe went through Asia. But 42 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 2: having said that, over the intervening years there was co mingling, 43 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: which is why we share some DNA. But let's talk 44 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: about what they're constantly finding out about the Neanderthals. So 45 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 2: they're not dumb, they move, they're not all that stuff 46 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: that we've attributed them to them. But they have been 47 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 2: able to study the voice characteristics of the Neanderthal, the 48 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: how the voice box would work, how the bones in 49 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: the throat would work, how their vocalizations would sound. This 50 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: is a historian and to help them recreate the sound 51 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 2: of the Neanderthal, we have a voice actor called Elliott. 52 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 2: Imagine getting this call from your agent Hu and you've 53 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: done a lot of great voice over work. How do 54 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: you feel about learning to recreate the voice. 55 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 3: Of voice agency? So what did they ring up? Eight? 56 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: Kid? 57 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 3: We've got a big gig for you. 58 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 2: Maybe, how would you feel afterwards? Anyway, this is Iliot 59 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 2: being taken through the steps of how to speak like 60 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 2: a Neanderthal and most of. 61 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 3: All, a huge nasal cavity. 62 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:13,679 Speaker 1: Let's just add a bit of nasal now one free now. 63 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: The other thing that would be happening, which would actually 64 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: increase that quality is a very heavy skull that seems 65 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: to pull down into the throat there. Now add to 66 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: that the fact that they had a fantastic chest, which 67 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: is a support system of breath which can produce enormous 68 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: chess resonance and tremendous power. So I imagine that they wouldn't 69 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: have subtle sounds. It would be loud, very loud, or 70 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: very very loud. And we can try and get that 71 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: by I'm now going to engage Eliot by pushing to me, 72 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: and this is actually getting him right into his body. 73 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: Now speak, Now, let's make a sound. Just let's make 74 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: a huge r and again. 75 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: Now it's off to do a macas ade. 76 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 3: Hello, it's one step away from home and away. Thank you. 77 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 3: That was very good, Interesting, isn't it