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Speaker 1: And Amanda jam Nation. Well, we heard yesterday that the assailant,

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Speaker 1: the murderer at Bondi Junction, had a fixation with knives.

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Speaker 1: There's also some beliefs that this wasn't a spur of

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Speaker 1: the moment attack. It wasn't one psychotic moment. Apparently he

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Speaker 1: had googled that he searched about killing. He was seen

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Speaker 1: at two other Westfield shopping centers at Penrith and at

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Speaker 1: Paramatta in the weeks beforehand. That may there's leading investigators

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Speaker 1: to question he may have been scoping out those for

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Speaker 1: a possible attack. So obviously his schizophrenic Hearing his parents

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Speaker 1: on the news last night was one of the most

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Speaker 1: heartbreaking things. These two ordinary people who were trying to

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Speaker 1: raise their son in love and he had a terrible,

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Speaker 1: terrible illness. Here's the dad.

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Speaker 2: I'm extremely sorry. I'm heartbreaking for you.

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Speaker 3: Look, this is so horrendous that I can't even explain it.

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Speaker 2: You trying to get me to give you an intelligent conversation.

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Speaker 4: I can't do it because I'm just devastated. I love

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Speaker 4: my son.

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Speaker 2: I made myself a servant to my son when I

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Speaker 2: poured out he had a mental illness. I became yourself

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Speaker 2: and I did everything because I love that boy.

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Speaker 3: Do you have any reason to understand why he would

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Speaker 3: have targeted women?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Why because he wanted a girlfriends and he's got no

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Speaker 4: social skills and he was frustrated out of his brain.

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Speaker 2: He also said this, I love my son. I'd give

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Speaker 2: my life for it.

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Speaker 1: I loved him nearly.

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Speaker 3: You know, how do you love a monster give birth

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Speaker 3: to him?

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Speaker 2: I'm extremely sorry.

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Speaker 1: I'm heartbreaking for you.

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Speaker 3: Look, this is so horrendous that I can't even explain it.

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Speaker 1: We are just onny people who brought up our son

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Speaker 1: as best we could. He was brought up in love.

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Speaker 1: He was a love charge. He had lots of friends,

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Speaker 1: untrul he got sick.

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Speaker 2: I made myself a certain and to my son.

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Speaker 4: When I tell that he had a mental illness.

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Speaker 1: His father says he even confiscated five US Army knives.

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Speaker 2: Joel brought home. I took him off him man it

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Speaker 2: with help, you know, really help.

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Speaker 4: What did he say?

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Speaker 2: Oh, he went.

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Speaker 4: Mental and I had a mate who's He was worried

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Speaker 4: that his son would stab him, so he hit all

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Speaker 4: the knives in the house. This is my mate, and

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Speaker 4: I knew this kid since he was a little little kid.

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Speaker 4: And I said, you're kidding me, and he said, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'm worried the kid is going to stab me.

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Speaker 2: So your own child, Like these people, they did their best.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: They said, no, it's not just mental illness.

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Speaker 4: There's plenty of people that have schizophrenia, and there's plenty

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Speaker 4: of people that kid is responsible for what happened.

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Speaker 1: And the parents are saying that. They say, we support

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Speaker 1: the police officer who shot him. But this must be

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Speaker 1: so hard, they say, to you, he's a monster. To me,

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Speaker 1: he's a very sick boy. The father was also asked

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Speaker 1: he would have liked he wanted a girlfriend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: This is the epidemic we face is violence against women

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Speaker 1: from men. And this is all allegations about what his

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Speaker 1: motives were, sure, but men who can't handle how to

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Speaker 3: But the broader picture is this whole Inceell thing. It's

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Speaker 3: the world of Andrew Tate, of the Joe Rogans. It's

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Speaker 3: these guys that are giving young guys a and as

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Speaker 1: Your nephew, my nephew is in the mid thirties. He's

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Speaker 1: a very smart, right on young guy, and he's gone

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Speaker 1: off social media because he said the algorithm that he's

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Speaker 1: supposition that because he's white and because he's male, that

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Speaker 1: he is interested in Andrew Tate and in Joe Rogan,

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Speaker 1: which he isn't. He said, his feed is full of transphobic, homophobic,

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Speaker 1: misogynistic stuff. This is what our men, not just our

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Speaker 3: But also this used to be the stuff you talk

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Speaker 3: go out to the greater world. That's where and I'm

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Speaker 3: not against men talking about that, you know, behind the

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Speaker 3: when you're at the pub, and that's what I was

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Speaker 2: Managed to differentiate.

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Speaker 3: But if you're mentally unwell and you've got an algorithm,

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Speaker 3: this is all what we're living in. This is what

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Speaker 3: Andrew Twiggy Foster is doing about suing or having a

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Speaker 3: go at Zuckerburg because this guy sits here and controls this.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, it's free speech. It's not free speech.

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Speaker 3: It's a silo, it's an algorithm, and what will you

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Speaker 3: it's going to come up like that.

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Speaker 1: Have a look. I'll read you something I saw yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Thirteen of the sixteen people who were stabbed in Australia

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Speaker 1: at Bondi Junction were women. If the victims were black,

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Speaker 1: he would be called a racist. If the victims were gay,

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Speaker 1: There's not even a word for what it is to

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Speaker 1: Anthony Albenezi later in the show, might put to him

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Speaker 1: about where can women feel safe? Why is it that

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Speaker 1: against women. Might not be the only reason that this

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Speaker 1: happened on the weekend, but it seems like a big factor, and.

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Speaker 2: It comes down to the individual. If you're mentally unwell,

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Speaker 1: Well, this is what happened with this boy. His parents said,

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Speaker 1: and this often happens. He was on antipsychotic medication. Went

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Speaker 2: Yep, you can't just wring your hands of this