1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: Kay Torber and coming up on today's show, Rebecca Little 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: calls out the behavior of a fellow influencer at the 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: Wicked premiere. Tammy Hembro admits she struggled to cope following 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: her public divorce and Sophie Gweedland's c section scar But first, 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: Matt Paul's fiance, Annalie's Oatway has been caught out selling 8 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: a sofa bed she advertised just two days earlier, so 9 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: as part of a paid partnership with a Kosa, the 10 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 1: nurse created a real of her and her ironman fiance 11 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: putting the bed together, and was pretty funny because Analice 12 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: kept making all these jokes that this room was a 13 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: bit of a refresh, going to be a second lounge 14 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: room for a kid's but also the doghouse for Matt 15 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: when he played too much golf, which I thought was 16 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: quite funny because recently we've had a lot of followers 17 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: messaging are saying, oh my god, poor Analie, She's always 18 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: stuck at home with the kids. Well, Matt's out golfing, 19 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: so obviously it's a bit of a contents topic. I 20 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: like when influencers actually play off that though, because it's 21 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: a great way to create engagement, get people commenting and 22 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: dming this on. Well, it appears like Matt won't have 23 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: a luxury place to recline next time he actually goes 24 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: and plays golf because the King sofa bed that they 25 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: advertised was up for sale and marketplace two days later. 26 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: Now the sofa bed in question is called the Sydney 27 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: Sofa Bed and retails for two three hundred and fifty dollars. 28 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: It's actually currently on sale as part of Black Friday 29 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: for one thousand, six hundred and forty five if you 30 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: do want it. Annalisa's listed it as forty five dollars cheaper, 31 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: so one thousand, six hundred. I like it. She's trying 32 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: to be a bit competitive with the pricing there. I 33 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: wanted to know was this gifted to her in exchange 34 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: for the post? Was it gifted to her as well 35 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: as her being paid to put up the post? I 36 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: think that makes a big difference, because I was thinking, well, 37 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,639 Speaker 1: is it okay for an influence that to sell items 38 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: that they're gifted as part of a paid partnership. Personally, 39 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: I think I would like to know the finer details 40 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: about the partnership before I make my decision on this one, 41 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: because if it was a contrad deal where they were 42 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: given the couch to promote it, I think it's okay 43 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: to sell it because that has been how you've been paid. 44 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: So if you're not the incentive for doing it as 45 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: you wanted the item, but then it doesn't make sense 46 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: as to wage sell it exactly. So, I think in 47 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 1: this situation, it seems like they were paid to make 48 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: the real and on top of that, they were given 49 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: the couch so that they could actually create the video 50 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: from it. See that to me gives more reason to 51 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: give it away because you were just doing the post 52 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: because of the partnership in place. But then should the 53 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: content be different rather than saying, I'm actually renovating my 54 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: second lounge room and this is going to be a 55 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: key part of it, and you know, putting your personal 56 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: spin on it that Matt's going to be sleeping on 57 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: her in the doghouse. Yeah, because but she's trying to 58 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 1: make it not as much of a sell. She's trying 59 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: to make it engaging for her audience. Yes, it's a 60 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: real catch twenty two, isn't it. Yeah, But the thing 61 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: is people are going to notice the couch isn't there 62 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: when she films in that room again if she does. 63 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: I mean, she's not someone that vlogs her daily life. 64 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 1: But you can get caught out, and I mean she's 65 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: been caught out. It's very embarrassing. It's quite damaging for 66 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: her moving forward with brand deals. I mean, I'm just 67 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: of the opinion that an influencer does have the right 68 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: to get rid of said item if it no longer 69 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: serves them. However, I think you need to wait a 70 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: little bit longer than two days. I think that's what 71 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: the issue is. Perhaps wait a couple of months when 72 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: everyone's forgotten about the deally you've just done, and then 73 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: offload the item. Or I think the issue was also 74 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: someone making money off it, So maybe give the item 75 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: away to a charity or a family member. But I mean, 76 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: if you don't make money off it, but if you 77 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: do sneakily want to make cash out of it, put 78 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: it on someone else's Facebook. Don't do it on your own. 79 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: But you know what I was going to say, have 80 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: a fake account, But Facebook marketplace are really cracking down 81 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: on accounts. You have to have your phone number attached 82 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: to it. I mean, but that being said, Matt Pool's 83 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: more famous than her, so I feel like he would 84 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: get caught out too if he was sharing it. But 85 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: it's bad because it's the deal that she did. No, 86 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: but don't get mad to do it. Get a friend 87 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: or your family member or something like. Its just someone 88 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: on your own account. I mean it looks bad. It 89 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: does look like they have a relatively small place though, 90 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: So I mean, if this bed you didn't really need 91 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: it and it was taking up a lot of bit 92 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: a sofa bed do it folds up? Yeah, I know, 93 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: but you might not want it in your house. I 94 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: mean I didn't actually see it. Was it not particularly 95 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: nice looking? No, it was really nice. It looked really comfy. 96 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: I don't know why they got rid of it. Well, 97 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: they've got a wedding to pay for, so perhaps they 98 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: need the extra cash. 99 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: I trust the process and I trust him. 100 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 3: Think it would be a bit hard if I didn't 101 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 3: trust him. 102 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: Sophie Gweedland has left her followers puzzled after she spoke 103 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: about the location of her CEA section scar during an 104 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: Instagram Q and A, the controversial fitness influencer, was asked 105 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: why her sea section scar isn't visible in her bikini photos. Kay, 106 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: can you tell us more well as someone who has 107 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: fairly recently had a cesarean? Sophie's answer had me flawed, 108 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: so she responded to the followers question, writing, it was 109 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: on my volver, like the top of where my labia joins. 110 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: She then went on to share that a naturopath had 111 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: performed deep trauma healing on her scar and now it's 112 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: completely gone now unfortunately for those who want to book 113 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: in the same treatment. Sophie revealed that her natural path 114 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 1: no longer practices anymore, as her practice was sadly destroyed 115 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: in a cyclone. 116 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 3: Now. 117 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: As you can imagine, it didn't take long for Sophie's 118 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: inbox to be flooded with confused people. She ended up 119 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: sharing a screenshot of a message that she received from 120 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: a medical practitioner who wrote, I'm sorry, but anatomically speaking, 121 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: this is impossible. A C section occurs in your lower abdomen, 122 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: not your volver or where your labia joins, and Sophie 123 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: captioned the screen shot stop, I can't with the internet, 124 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: ha ha How on earth do people think they know 125 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: their body better than you? Ha ha ha. At one 126 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: point I was told if I didn't post my scar, 127 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: I must have used a surrogate. I have to admit. 128 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: After I had my C section, I was pleasantly surprised 129 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: at how low the scar actually is. I thought it 130 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: would be higher, but in saying that it's definitely not 131 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: as low as your volver. I'm wondering whether her scar 132 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: is a little bit lower because she had twins. There'd 133 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: be some epulding in that, but it's not actually surgically 134 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: possible to do a C section incision in the volver. 135 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: It's anatomically impossible and would cause catastrophic damage. Yeah, I 136 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: just think maybe it was a little bit lower than 137 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: the general C section and she's maybe just worded it wrong. Well, 138 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: your volver doesn't actually provide access to the uterus, which 139 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,559 Speaker 1: is where you need to be questioning whether it does. 140 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: I just think perhaps a C section scar is a 141 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: little lower than the average person's. Well, for those who 142 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: haven't had a C section or haven't seen a C 143 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: section scar, the incision is normally made five to eight 144 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: centimeters above the pubic bone across the abdomen now in 145 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: terms of the position of Sophie's C section scar. She 146 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: ended up responding to the backlash on her Instagram story, 147 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: and it turns out she had actually blocked twenty people 148 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: who accused her of lying about her C section. So 149 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: she posted a photo in a bikini and she drew 150 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,679 Speaker 1: a red line on where her scar actually is and wrote, 151 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: the red line is how low my scar is. Factually, 152 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: not potentially or impossible it is. And she went to 153 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: say that she is sick of there being so much 154 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: misinformation out there about C sections and wrote, just because 155 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: that is your experience. Every berth is different. Maybe you 156 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: had an emergency or overweight, had a keloid a shitty doctor. 157 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: But when you say things like it's impossible, it's folks. 158 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: I am proof of that. Now based on this photo 159 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: Sophie shared, is clear she needs an anatomy lesson because 160 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: it is not on her volver. It's literally where a 161 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: C section sky is. Yeah, well that's what I was thinking. 162 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: I was thinking it's probably just a bit lower than 163 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: maybe she initially thought it was going to be. Where 164 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: I do draw a line though, is people accusing her 165 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: of having a saragain? And saying you actually didn't have 166 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: a C section. I think that that is a bit unfair. 167 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: But can you see why people are confused, because if 168 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: you go through a C section, you definitely know the 169 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: incision isn't in your volver and the place, and she 170 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: described it in such detail like it's just bizarre. I 171 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: just think as well, if you don't want people questioning 172 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: you about it, just don't go into that much detail 173 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: about it and don't open up about it. I mean, 174 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: she could have just said, oh, you know, my scar 175 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: has faded a lot because I went to a naturopath. 176 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: She didn't have to go into the fact of where 177 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: it was. How's your day going because mine's great? So yeah, anyway, 178 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: I shall probably get finish the dresser. Hi'm lad at 179 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: Linda wand Rebecca Little has slammed the behavior of a 180 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: group of fellow influencers at the Wicked premiere in Melbourne. 181 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: While the micro influencer didn't name names, she described their 182 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: actions as unsettling and desperate. So if it's really becoming 183 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: a bit of a trend for influencers to break down 184 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: the fourth walllet influencer events, Yeah, it really is, and 185 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: I'm all here for it. I think Isabel Clark was 186 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: one of the first influencers I really saw do that 187 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: this year. In a candid TikTok she spoke about how 188 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: clicky and uncomfortable influencer events can be, and also spoke 189 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: about the egos that can come out at them. I 190 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: can't believe that story was this year. I remember covering 191 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: it seems like a lifetime ago. It was in conjunction 192 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: with Mikayla Tester calling out Anna Pole at the time, 193 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: and there was a story about how Anna Pol allegedly 194 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: said that Isabel Clark had close set eyes. And it 195 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 1: seems like this was a bit of a hang up 196 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: for Anna because apparently she said that so many different 197 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: influencers had closed their eyes. It was also sofi dofa Oh. 198 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: I am actually really looking forward to the end of 199 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: the year going back through the top ten stories because 200 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: so much has happened this year. 201 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 4: Yeah. 202 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: Now back to Rebecca Little. Instead of creating a TikTok 203 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: tell all video like we've seen in the past, Rebecca 204 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: opted to air her grievances with her forty nine thousand 205 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: followers by writing down and sharing her thoughts in an 206 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: Instagram storytyle, which was very millennial of her. Well, I 207 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: think it's still a good way to get information out 208 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: there because you can really choose your words carefully and 209 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: people can't cut it up. True Well. In the lengthy post, 210 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: Rebecca explained that she was invited to attend the Wicked 211 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: premiere in Melbourne with her daughter. She said they were 212 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: both genuinely excited to see the movie. In fact, it 213 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: made her remember why she fell in love with the 214 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: cinema in the first place. However, it was a run 215 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: in with a group of fellow influencers which appeared to 216 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: derail her otherwise pleasant evening, So she wrote, I watched 217 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: people literally step over others. The desperation to be seen 218 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: rather than to actually see was unsettling. And then, of 219 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: course came the cherry on top, the snide, performative little comments. 220 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: I could almost admire the commitment to the bit if 221 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: it weren't aimed at slash near my child. That's when 222 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: something in me shifted. Say or post whatever you want 223 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: about me. But when that energy starts circling my daughter, 224 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: absolutely not. That's where the line is drawn. The irony 225 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: is I still love movies, always will. The magic on 226 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: the screen untouchable, but the circus around it, I'm out. 227 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: I think I'm officially done with premieres. The spotlight used 228 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 1: to reveal art, now it just exposes egos. I don't 229 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: think that it's news to any of us that there 230 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: would be people with egos at these type of events. 231 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that's why they're there, really, to promote it, 232 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: to show that they're going to this event, to create 233 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: some publicity around Yeah. Also, I'm not surprised that influencers 234 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: would be focused on creating content at that event, but 235 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: that's what they're there to do. A lot of the 236 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: influencers took their costumes to the next level, and there 237 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: was a lot of excitement around creating TikTok videos, and 238 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: I mean that's what the pr people want you to 239 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: do as well. That being said, I love the tea, 240 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: particularly the swipe that Rebecca made about the performative little 241 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: comments that were aimed at her child, because that really 242 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: piqued my interest because that really makes the behaviors at 243 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: place sound terrible. How old is her child? Oh, I 244 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: think she's about eleven. Okay. As soon as I saw 245 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: Rebecca's post, I instantly started racking my brain to remember 246 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: which influencers attended the Melbourne premiere, because the only influencers 247 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: who I could remember sharing stories were Georgia Love and 248 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: Matt Zakowski. Now, Matt does pride himself on being a 249 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: bit of a movie buff, so it wasn't really surprising 250 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: to see him at this event. He seems to be 251 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: branding himself as this movie reviewer. Georgia Love also wasn't 252 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: a surprise to see that she absolutely loves musical theater 253 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: and often travels overseas to see it, so I was 254 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: glad that she got an invia Yeah, and when I 255 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: saw Rebecca's post pop up about the bad behavior of 256 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: influencers at the event, I quickly remembered this post that 257 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: Matt shared where he did a bit of a fit 258 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: check not another one. Let's have we listen to what 259 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: he said. 260 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 3: So I'm going on the Word Kid premiere in Melbourne, 261 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 3: and I've got my pink suit on. Yeah, it's pretty loud. 262 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: Now. I wanted to include Matt walking into the premiere 263 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: because I was like, is this the sort of behavior 264 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: that she's talking about, which is desperate someone wanting to 265 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: be seen? I mean, that's just normal influence the behavior 266 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: isn't it that you do a fit check before an event. 267 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine Matt Sakowski being rude to anyone. No, 268 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: he kind of gives me Bambi vibes at the moment. Oh, 269 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 1: it definitely wasn't him. But this is how things can 270 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: easily be misconstrued when you don't actually identify who you're 271 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,599 Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, and particularly because when you say an influencer, 272 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 1: there were only so many invited, so by not actually 273 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: naming names, she is basically the faming hobbit. Yeah. The 274 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 1: thing is, her post felt a lot more loaded. It 275 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: felt as though she had some long standing beef with 276 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: the individual or individuals involved, and that kind of highlights 277 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: who it potentially was about. So I decided to put 278 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: it out to our Facebook community. I put up a 279 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: post asking if anyone had an inkling about who Rebecca 280 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: was speaking about, and instantly listeners started writing in saying 281 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: they were convinced that she was talking about Olivia White, 282 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: otherwise known as House of White. Now OG listeners will 283 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: remember the story we did back in twenty twenty about 284 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 1: Olivia White selling Ali Barber glassware that she said was 285 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: modeled off her mother's body. This was actually one of 286 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: my favorite stories to date that we've covered. I actually 287 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 1: want to put it out there as a bit of 288 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: a Christmas special, maybe cut up some of our favorites 289 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: style That would because hilarious. Now. Olivia and Rebecca are 290 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: both in the motherhood and lifestyle space and have reportedly 291 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: had a falling out. Now when I looked at Olivia's 292 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: Instagram account, I was even more convinced that Rebecca was 293 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: directing this at her. Yeah, because she attended the event 294 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: alongside fellow influencer Nikia Joy Now. Nikia is a professional 295 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: makeup artist who has over two hundred and thirty three 296 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: thousand followers on Instagram, one point one million on TikTok, 297 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: and over nine hundred thousand on YouTube. Now, both Olivia 298 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: and Nikia took their costumes to the next level. Nikia 299 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: ended up painting her whole body green to come as 300 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: Alpha Bart, whilst Olivia spent months creating the ultimate Glinda gown. 301 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: So she found a dress in an op shop and 302 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: she and her mum completely customized it so they added 303 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: a lot of beating. She died at Brown. She even 304 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: used a three D printer to make her own wand 305 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: and Olivia White is known for sharing this type of content. 306 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: I remember a couple of years ago she did this 307 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: really cool DIY Taylor Swift birthday party for her kids, 308 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: Like she takes things next level. Yeah, I find her 309 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: content now to be quite wholesome. I mean, there was 310 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: a bit of a hiccup there with the glasses, but 311 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: I quite enjoy her content now, and I think that 312 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: they seem to just really get into the spirit of 313 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: the event. They created a lot of TikTok videos of 314 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: themselves getting ready in a hotel room together and it 315 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: was all just a bit of fun. Well that's exactly 316 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: what the pr team that invited them want. They want 317 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: hype around this movie and excitement. Yeah, and apparently their 318 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: costumes were so epic that on the way to the premiere, Yeah, 319 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: they kept being stopped by kids for photos on the streets. 320 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: It seemed to be very sweet. And people think that 321 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: this is the reason why Rebecca is taking a swipe 322 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: at Olivia, due to the fact that they put so 323 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: much effort into the costumes, Because she spoke about this 324 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: desperation to be seen rather than to actually see the movie. 325 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: It seems like Rebecca's rocked up to this event and 326 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: seen Olivia White's costume and gone, fuck, she beat me. 327 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: Her costume is better. Other thing is I kind of 328 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: think that they put in a lot of effort because 329 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: they are actually genuinely fans of the movie, not because 330 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: they necessarily want to be seen. I mean, yes, of 331 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: course it is a great opportunity to create content, but 332 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: I don't think you put in that much effort if 333 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: you weren't a fan. I think the Eras Tour has 334 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: actually triggered this new phenomenon where the main character, of course, 335 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: has always been the person on the stage that used 336 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: to be Taylor Swift at the Eras Tour. However, now 337 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: that we have TikTok, you become the main character in 338 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: an event like that. So you show yourself getting ready 339 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: to go the event, you show yourself getting dressed up, 340 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,239 Speaker 1: you show your reaction too when the person goes on stage, 341 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: and it's all very inwood. Now. I think it's also 342 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: this phenomenon of girlhood where it's this excuse for adults 343 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: to revert back to childhood and find wonder and enjoyment 344 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: in wholesome things like this. You know, it's an excuse 345 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: to catch up with your friends, and you know, plan 346 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: your outfit and get creative. I really enjoy it. Yeah, 347 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: And it made me feel a little bit sad for 348 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: Olivia that this was seemingly targeted at her, because she 349 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: obviously had a lot of fun going to this event 350 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: put a lot of effort into it. 351 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 352 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: The thing that also made me feel for Olivia was 353 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: that it was quite clear that she felt a bit 354 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: anxious in the lead up to the event, because she 355 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: ended up sharing a post shouting out all of the 356 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: incredible people in her life who help make the event 357 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: so magical. So she thanked her mum for helping her 358 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: make the dress and her husband for helping her ideas 359 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: come to life. She wrote, those are my close friends 360 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: would know the self doubt and fear I had this week, 361 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: because sometimes when you put yourself out there, especially as 362 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: a euro divergent woman, you tell yourself it won't be perfect. 363 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: What if people laugh at you, That people will not 364 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: understand your excitement and passion and will label you as 365 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: too much attention seeking and over the top. But I'm 366 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: glad I pushed through, and I'm so incredibly humbled by 367 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: how kind everyone has been. And of course my ADHD 368 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 1: brain is already deep on the next project, So did 369 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: she share that after Rebecca Little came out with her statement, 370 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: because it seems like a dig back at her. Yes, 371 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: she did share it a little bit after, so you 372 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: can imagine how those negative comments have clearly affected her. 373 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: And it was quite awkward because both women gave two 374 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: very different overviews of the event. So while Rebecca said 375 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: that the actions of some invited guests was unsettling, Olivia 376 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: gushed about what a safe space the event felt like. 377 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: So she praised the host, Reuben Kay, writing absolutely nailed 378 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: it and captured the essence of the room, a safe 379 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: space of bright, sparkly people who were all different and 380 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: unique and equally as wonderful. Melbourne certainly turned it on. 381 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: I was in awe of everyone's incredible outfits. I need 382 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: to ask, does anyone know what Rebecca Little wore to 383 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: the event. She wore a black gown, so it definitely 384 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: wasn't an out there costume. I mean, I wasn't a 385 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: costume at all. No, I mean, yeah, she had sort 386 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: of dramatic makeup on, which was sort of in the 387 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: vibe of wicked, but obviously she didn't go to the 388 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: same level as a lot of the other influencers there. 389 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't required for you to wear a 390 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: costume there, Yeah, but it's giving vibes that she kind 391 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 1: of regretted not going fully out there, so then wanted 392 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: to kind of ridicule the ones that did yeah well. 393 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: On Friday, Rebecca decided to share more details about the 394 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: alleged incident that took place at the event. So she 395 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: shared a photo of her and her daughter on the 396 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 1: red carpet and explained that it had taken her a 397 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: few days to process the incident and said she never 398 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: realized a movie premiere could teach her so much in 399 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: one night. It's all very dramatic, isn't it. What She's 400 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: been right about what happened, Like, I don't get it. 401 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,959 Speaker 1: So she continued on with the wicked theme, writing, Wicked 402 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: for good hit me harder than I expected. It reminded 403 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: me that being called wicked often means you're brave enough 404 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: to be yourself in a world that wants you smaller. 405 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: That it's better to go your own way then stay 406 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: grounded just to get approval, and that being good doesn't 407 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: mean staying quiet. It means speaking your truth, even if 408 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: it makes people uncomfortable, She continued, saying, now I see 409 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: it in my daughter. She's learning that kindness isn't weakness, 410 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: that strength and softness can live in the same heart, 411 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: and that she doesn't have to accept cruelty, disrespect, or 412 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: intimidation or anyone trying to dim her light. Now, this 413 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: is where the post went up a notch. Rebecca then 414 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: went on to accuse an adult at the event of 415 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: purposely stepping on her daughter's belongings, which were tucked away 416 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: in a corner. She also said disgusting jokes were made 417 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: from the same individual about a staple gun being in 418 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 1: their bag, and she said that her daughter needs to 419 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: know she can walk away from bullies, set boundaries and shine. 420 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: What's the staple gun? Do you mean that there was 421 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: sort of a violent threat or something. I'm confused by 422 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: that as well. I mean, does it imply that someone 423 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: was using a staple gun for an out there costume? 424 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: I'm confused by it. This is the issue when people 425 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: go public and talk riddles, because you can draw your 426 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: own conclusions that are very wrong, and particularly when you 427 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: are accusing an adult of like trotting on a child belongings. 428 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: I mean, surely this is not about Olivia White. I 429 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: want to believe that there's some wires that are crossed. 430 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: I can't see a mum doing this to another child, 431 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: And from watching Olivia's content, I also think that she 432 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: has it in her. She seems genuinely like a nice 433 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: person who just has been excited about this event. I mean, obviously, 434 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: if these events that Rebecca Little has outlined are truth, 435 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 1: then it's not a very nice thing to do. But 436 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: I think it is worse to come out and make 437 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: these allegations with no proof and to essentially defame all 438 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: of the influences where at the event, particularly the one 439 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: that she has beef with. I don't think that's fair. Well, 440 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: it's quite telling because the post has subsequently been deleted 441 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: so well. That says a lot, doesn't it. 442 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 4: I would just say, like, girl, I know you love 443 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 4: so hard and you're so much love to give, but just. 444 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: Give that love to yourself. Yeah. In her most candid 445 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: interview to date, Tammy Hembro has admitted she struggled to 446 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: cope following her public divorce from Matt Zakowski. The Gold 447 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: Coast influencer broke down on her sister Emily Hembro's podcast, 448 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: saying she should have noticed the red flags that appeared 449 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: early on. Now kay, you called part one of Emily's 450 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: chat with Tammy and also their sister Amy a bit 451 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: of a snowfest, but this episode definitely delivered. Yeah, it 452 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: definitely made up for Part one, but from a production sense, 453 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: I probably would have aired it first, just to get 454 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: the hype around the launch of her podcast. Now, this 455 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: is the first time we've really heard Tammy open up 456 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: about her divorce on a podcast. I mean, in recent weeks, 457 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: she has been doing a bit of a publicity tour 458 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: for her supplement brands Selfish, where she's been popping up 459 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: on a number of influencer led podcasts. She was coming 460 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: on Outspoken, but that got canceled last minute. We're Dirty 461 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: on It. 462 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 2: Or any Man. 463 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: No. That being said, she didn't really give much away hmm. 464 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: During those interviews. She spoke very generally and with not 465 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,479 Speaker 1: much emotion. So my guess is that she was waiting 466 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: to give her sister Emily the exclusive to help bolster 467 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: her new podcast. I mean, it also makes sense because obviously, 468 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: if she's talking to her sister, she's going to be 469 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: in a safe space to open up. If I was Emily, though, 470 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: I would have got my episode out first. Because now 471 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: that Tammy's been on quite a number of podcasts, I 472 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: think the interest is dwindling. They kind of interrupted her 473 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: a bit too, like she was about to divulge a 474 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: bit more, and then, as sisters do, they all spoke 475 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 1: over each other and you kind of like, hold on, 476 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: let us be because they know the full story, so 477 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: they're not as interested to hear it, whereas if it 478 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: was on a podcast like Outspoken, you know, we would 479 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: have shut up and listened. Yeah, now Tammy lifted the 480 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,719 Speaker 1: lid on how she's really been coping with the divorce 481 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: behind the scenes. Let's take a listen to some of 482 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: what she said. 483 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, dealing with like my divorce and everything so publicly 484 00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 4: is really difficult because I don't know, it's just like 485 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 4: there's so many different emotions, Like it's humiliating, it's heartbreaking, 486 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 4: it's just I yeah, you guys have seen firsthand like 487 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 4: what I've sort of been going through with it, Like 488 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 4: I honestly haven't coped Like in the beginning, I like 489 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 4: really was not coping well with it, and I feel 490 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 4: like it's definitely changed my perspective on a lot of things, 491 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,959 Speaker 4: especially like future relationships. 492 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: I mean, while this is the first time we've heard 493 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: Tammy speak in depth about the breakup on a podcast, 494 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: she has given us tidbits on her TikTok and on 495 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: her YouTube before trying to paint a picture of how 496 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: upset she is, because I think, in order to win 497 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: a breakup when you actually haven't said the reason behind it, 498 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: if you are deemed as the one that's more upset, 499 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,239 Speaker 1: you win. Well, yeah, you're the victim in it. And 500 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: I think because she appeared to move on very quickly 501 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: and gone that date with Bailey Smith, people assume that 502 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: she was an upset about it, but she went on 503 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: to say that shortly after the divorce she struggled to 504 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 1: even function. She said that she was very anxious and 505 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: she could barely walk from her car to the front 506 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: door without being in hysterics. She even went as far 507 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: as saying that she felt like she wasn't showing up 508 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: as a mum, so she said that there would be 509 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: times when she'd go and hide in her shower and 510 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: lie on the shower floor to cry because she didn't 511 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: want her kids coming in and seeing how upset that 512 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: she was that would be so hard going through a 513 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: breakup having kids, because I mean, I think back to 514 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: the breakups that I went through in my twenties. I 515 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: mean I couldn't function. You have to go to work 516 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: and put on a brave face. I suppose that's what 517 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: it would be like in front of kids. But you're 518 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: having to do that at work and then at home, 519 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: like you need some time to decompress. Well, she said 520 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: that her kids were actually a big part of her healing. 521 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 1: So she said that while she didn't feel like she 522 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: was showing up for them, they were showing up for 523 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: her and they were a good distraction. Now, during Tammy 524 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: and Matt's relationship, there were persistent rumors that Matt was 525 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: tuning girls behind her back. That seemed to be the narrative, 526 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: and this was really exacerbated by the DM scandal at 527 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: the Grand Prix and also his ex Genevieve claiming that 528 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,479 Speaker 1: there was a crossover between her and Tammy. 529 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 3: Now. 530 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: While they didn't confirm this during the interview, the sisters 531 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 1: seemed to hint that there was bad behavior from Matt. 532 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen, Well. 533 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 2: You obviously wanted it to work, like even when there 534 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 2: was situation after situation after situation, and I'm not sure 535 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 2: about Youomi, but I was like, enough is enough, Like 536 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 2: you are just trying so hard to make it work 537 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 2: that you are just letting everything, you know, all these 538 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 2: situations yeah, where it's not okay. 539 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 4: And looking back now, I'm like it's crazy to me, 540 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 4: but like I was so just swept up in it 541 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 4: that I was willing to overlook so many things. 542 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: And I was so like, Yeah, they were obviously putting 543 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: a lot of blame on Matt. And it's no surprise 544 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,959 Speaker 1: because Emily and Amy are not as big as fan. 545 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: Like we have spoken in length about the podcast episode 546 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: that they appeared on on Wednesday head at when they 547 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: essentially gave it to Matt on his own podcast. Yeah, 548 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I just want to know what were the scenarios, 549 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: Like tell us, we want to know. And I think 550 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: that the reason they are putting this out there is 551 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: because Matt has been trying to sell a different story 552 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: on his podcast and if anything, he has been receiving 553 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: a lot of sympathy and he's sort of been playing 554 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: off that it was Tammy's fault, yeah, or the divorce. 555 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: I mean, even on his podcast last week. He was 556 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: talking about how much it's been affecting him seeing Tiktoks 557 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: of Lapland, which is where he and Tammy went for 558 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: their honeymoon, and about how he's going to be alone 559 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: this Christmas, and again you would get the vibe that 560 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: she was the one who was responsible for the split 561 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: and who cut things off. Yeah, Matt's story isn't that 562 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: consistent because he makes it sound like he was the 563 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,199 Speaker 1: one that was dumped, but then he's spoken about the 564 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 1: fact that he was the one that decided to leave 565 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: the marriage. Yeah, I think they've got to stop talking 566 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,199 Speaker 1: in these constant riddles because it is getting very confusing. 567 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: I mean, Tammy spoke about having rose colored glasses on 568 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: at the start of their relationship, which was quite interesting, 569 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,239 Speaker 1: and she warned her listeners that early red flags are 570 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: going to be ten times worse later on. But that 571 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: is quite telling. Can you believe that this Sunday would 572 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: have been their first wedding? Antiverse like that blows my mind. 573 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: I remember when the pap photos of the pink dress 574 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: came out, the drone images. It does not seem that 575 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 1: long ago at all. Yeah, it's pretty wild. I mean, 576 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: it's going to be an emotional time for both of them, 577 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: and predicting that they'll both put something up. Well, I mean, 578 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: surely that's a weekend where you want to keep busy, 579 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: maybe go on a trip, take your mind off things. 580 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: Tammy did touch on the wedding, describing it as an 581 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: expensive learning experience. Are we assuming she paid for it all? Oh? 582 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: You get that vibe. It's clear that she has done 583 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: quite a lot of self reflection and also a lot 584 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 1: of therapy since the divorce. Because she admitted that she 585 00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: had been naive entering into the relationship, her sisters like, yes, 586 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: yes you were. Let's take a listen to what she said. 587 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 4: I feel like I genuinely like have learnt though now 588 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 4: that I can't be so you know, like naive when 589 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 4: it comes to just like fought me in love And 590 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 4: that's something that you had to learn on your own, 591 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 4: as much as we could try and give you advice. 592 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: And it's it hurts me very. 593 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 2: Much shame that I had to go through like a 594 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 2: whole wedding to learn that lesson and publicly like at 595 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 2: the time, obviously I didn't think I was going to 596 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:42,239 Speaker 2: be getting divorce. Obviously you thought it was forever, So 597 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 2: you're grieving a future that you saw as well. 598 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, like, but hindsight's twenty twenty. Like it's so crazy 599 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 4: to me now, Like, looking pack, I see so many 600 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 4: things that I didn't like notice at the time that 601 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 4: people around me were telling me, and I just felt. 602 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: Like why they say, like love is blind blinding. I 603 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: was definitely blind at the time. 604 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 4: I think I just like, I think I just wanted, like, 605 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 4: you know, the fairy tels. 606 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: This would be very validating for Amy and Emily because 607 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: they were probably the loudest voices in Tammy's life telling 608 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: her that, you know, there are a lot of red flags, 609 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: don't marry this guy. I would say that one of 610 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: the early red flags that we know about is when 611 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: Matt attended Tammy's New Year's Eve party, So it was 612 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: hosted at her place, and according to Emily and Amy, 613 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: he kept referring to it as our house. So they 614 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: mentioned that on his podcast during that infamous interview, and 615 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: he's like, I don't recall that, and they're like, you 616 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: definitely did. Isn't that just such an ick when someone 617 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: puts claim to something that is not theirs, that is 618 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: the result of someone else's hard work. Yeah, I mean 619 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: it did give a bit of clout chasing vibes there, 620 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: and it did lead obviously her FAUNI me to question 621 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: whether he was interested in her money. I mean, they 622 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: did end up signing a prenup, so it'd be interesting 623 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: to actually see what happens with the divorce, whether he 624 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: will get any money. Well, that is where we're going 625 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: to leave things today. But if you want to hear 626 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: more from us, we drop a subscriber only episode every Thursday. 627 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: All the details to subscriber in our show notes. 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