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Speaker 1: Now joining us on the line live from Canberra is

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Speaker 1: the Chief Minister Leafanokiarro. Good morning to your.

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Speaker 2: Chief, Good morning Katie and jo all your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Chief Minister, before I get an update on those

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Speaker 1: meetings in Canberra, can I just ask house the situation

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Speaker 1: in the Daily region at the moment. We know that

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Speaker 1: significant major flooding occurring in the Daily at this point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look it was sixteen point four one meters. This

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Speaker 2: is the biggest ever flood of the Daily River since

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Speaker 2: records began. The latest footage I've seen is horrific. I

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Speaker 2: mean there is water lapping the roofs of people's houses

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Speaker 2: in areas even down at Williana that have traditionally not

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Speaker 2: had really high levels, they're experiencing floods as well. So

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Speaker 2: we've had the second biggest flood ever in Catherine and

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Speaker 2: now the biggest in Daily with every single building in

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Speaker 2: Daily River in undated with water.

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Speaker 1: So what's the plan for the Daily at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Obviously everybody's pretty much been a vacuum waited write.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone's been evacuated. We did that really early and

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Speaker 2: fart so everyone's safe here in Dalen, which is great.

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Speaker 2: And just to give people an idea because we've evacuated

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Speaker 2: the poor people living at it Daily twice in a

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Speaker 2: month effectively. So when we evacuated them a couple of

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Speaker 2: weeks ago, the water now is well and truly more

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Speaker 2: than two meters higher than it was when we evacuated

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Speaker 2: them not long ago. So you can just see the

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Speaker 2: sheer scale and all of that water that came from

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Speaker 2: Catherine has headed straight down to Daily River. So it's

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Speaker 2: taken quite a while for that river to come up,

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Speaker 2: and as I said, it's still rising and it would

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Speaker 2: take just as long to go down. So you can

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Speaker 2: imagine houses weeks underwater to the roof is going to

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Speaker 2: be just devastating for so many of those.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a massive way for those residents

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Speaker 1: of the Daily And so at this point in time,

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Speaker 1: they are staying out there at Fosky Pavilion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, and we're providing all of the support,

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Speaker 2: is available. We're training very hard to make everyone as

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Speaker 2: comfortable as possible. And the Daily River community are very resilient.

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Speaker 2: They are used to flooding, unfortunately, and so whilst it's devastating,

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Speaker 2: it's not new to them, but it's still a huge

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Speaker 2: you know, it's just you know, it changes your entire

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Speaker 2: life and people want to know what's next, you know,

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Speaker 2: And we've made sure we're keeping them both Plumper as

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Speaker 2: well communities with visuals and updates from officials so that

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Speaker 1: So in terms of Palumper, are they expected to stay

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Speaker 1: here in Dow for quite some time as well, or

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Speaker 1: is the situation slightly different for them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a bit different in Palumpa, which is

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Speaker 2: fortunate for that community. And when I met with elders

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Speaker 2: been evacuated before, so I think that just speaks to

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Speaker 2: the sheer volume of water. We've done the survey of

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Speaker 2: of those things have to be really safely inspected and reconnected.

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Speaker 2: And then once that happens, we will be able to

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Speaker 2: we're working really hard. For example in Jimmingon as well,

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Speaker 2: we've done the survey work. So there's concurrence in road

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Speaker 1: So in terms of Catherine, we know that there's been

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Speaker 1: some movement. There are Catherine schools and the hospital reopening today.

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Speaker 2: Very exciting. Our teams are just incredible, Katie. We have

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Speaker 2: So the hospital in Catherine open today. We've got maternity open,

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Speaker 2: And Minister Joe Hersey was down there last night just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they work bloody hard to get the power back on.

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister. The ideas the Australian Defense Force personnel are

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Speaker 2: Yeah? My understanding is they've been out and about and

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Speaker 2: so lovely of course Tindall being there. They're a part

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Speaker 2: and you know, at these times everyone just wants to

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Speaker 2: think that'll give everyone a bit of a lift. People

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Speaker 2: this will be a new lease of life. The waste

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Speaker 2: you know, we just want to as much of the

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Speaker 2: so that they can start that very painful and difficult

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Speaker 1: Chief Finister obviously good news to have the fifty ADF personnel,

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Speaker 1: but it is being reported by the NT News that

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Speaker 1: well that it may be a situation where the Northern

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Speaker 1: Is that the case.

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Speaker 2: well together throughout this entire flooding situation, right, I mean

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Speaker 2: It's just been so widespread. So we're very hopeful that

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Speaker 2: be meeting with the Defense Minister later today, Well, you would.

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Speaker 1: Think it's robbing Peter to pay Paul surely.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what happens, You know what's happened in

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Speaker 2: I do believe sometimes the Feds do send a bill,

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Speaker 2: make sure that this time we're not getting one. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: the damage is so extensive territory wide. We've activated the

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Speaker 2: have an enormous, enormous bill at the end of all

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Speaker 2: of these and we've got to make sure we're rebuilding

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of work to do and I'll

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Speaker 2: have more to say about that tomorrow, Katie. I think

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Speaker 2: that's really important that we start. People want to know

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Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing, and it's also you know,

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Speaker 1: and there's going to need to be some serious work

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Speaker 1: on our roads. But Chief Minister, you are obviously in Cambright.

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Speaker 1: You're set to meet with the Federal Treasurer Jim Chalmers

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have, We've had fantastic meanings this morning and

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Speaker 2: that a very early compect of darent time. But we

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Speaker 2: Alice Springs, Murray Down, Calcarinji Dugaragu, Dahowan River, auted Jim Mingen.

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Speaker 2: Of course that we've got daily river, so really highlighting

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Speaker 2: As I said that scale key arterial roads like the

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Speaker 1: Have they given you any indication at this point how

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Speaker 2: Well, the DRA funding is activated, so that is secured,

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Speaker 2: we spend. So that's quite a complicated matrix, but it's

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Speaker 2: a well worn path, like all jurisdictions access DRA it

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Speaker 2: far beyond that DRA. And so it was really a

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Speaker 2: Federal Infrastructure Mini's General. We thank them for their time.

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Speaker 2: They were terrific meeting laying out the scale of damage

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Speaker 2: out to Mingen is completely destroyed. No one was expecting

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no doubt about that. It is going to

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Speaker 1: be a massive cleanup, the likes we've not seen before

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Speaker 1: in so many different areas, Chief Minister. There has been

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Speaker 1: a lot of criticism of the communication around some of

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Speaker 1: a review more broadly, not really to you know, to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, We've always got to do better, Katie, always, and

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Speaker 2: so it's been quite because of the way the season

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Speaker 2: all types of hazards and emergencies. So yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: we want to we want to do better every time. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's that's absolutely the case.

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Speaker 1: Like it blows my mind. I said it on the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look it came up so quick in Darren River.

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Speaker 2: When I was out there, I think it was Friday. Now,

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Speaker 2: Where we have this water security and cleanlin, there's issue

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Speaker 1: All Right, Chief Minister a couple of quick ones. I

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Speaker 2: So Catherine has been has been great. It's started out

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Speaker 2: looking at an electronic option. How do we, for example,

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Speaker 2: I absolutely get that. But we've gotten four thousand out

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Speaker 1: Chief just lastly before I let you go this morning,

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Speaker 2: No, there is nothing that suggests that Territorians will run

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Speaker 2: Bill jen has taken very strong steps in running to

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Speaker 2: telling them to pull their head in. There is no

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Speaker 1: I mean, like to the terminal gate price for diesel

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Speaker 1: I mean, it is already insanely high. And I just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And this really we need the atribacy

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Speaker 2: to come in very very hard and be looking under

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Speaker 2: the bonnet on this one, Katie big time, and we

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Speaker 2: would do whatever we can. We would if there are

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Speaker 2: accept this really unterritory and behavior that we're seeing. There

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Speaker 2: is there's no reason for it, and it's something we're

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Speaker 2: keeping a very close eye.

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Speaker 1: All right, Chief Minister Leah Fanocchio. Better let you go,

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Speaker 1: good luck in Canberra.

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Speaker 2: Take care everyone. I'll be back tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Thanks so much,