WEBVTT - Three Doting Dads feat. Anthony Field from The Wiggles 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.760 Today we have a very special bonus episode we have 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:07.200 with us today, Anthony Field. Now know what you're thinking, 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:08.200 who is Anthony? 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:09.840 I'll tell you who he is. 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:13.960 He is Anthony Wiggle, the Blue Wig Girl. 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:17.560 I'm sure everyone out there knows the Wiggles, but for 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:20.600 anyone who may be thinking, don't know who that is. 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:24.360 Wiggles are founded in nineteen ninety one. They are globally 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:28.159 one of the biggest children's acts ever ever. They have 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:32.680 saved me countless how many times? But only do my 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:35.239 kids like watching them? I absolutely love them. 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:37.800 Yeah, They've been a part of my family and I'm 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:40.479 guessing your family since the dawn of time. 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:45.000 It was one of those ones where when I'm like, 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:46.000 don't get nervous. 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:47.400 Yeah, that was a bit like that. 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:48.199 He's just a. 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:51.960 Normal guy, but he is an absolute legend and we 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:54.520 had a quick little chat. We had thirty minutes. He's 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:56.320 a man who has wanted right now. 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:58.960 Yes, and it was an absolute privilege to have Anthony 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:00.200 Wiggle on the podcast. 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:11.920 So enjoyed this episode. 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:15.959 We're ready, wiggle, wiggle your. 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:23.400 Fingers high in the sky. We're ready, wiggle wiggle. Welcome 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:24.440 to three doting dads. 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:26.920 I'm Maddie Jay, I'm Ash, I'm Anthony. 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:29.280 This is a podcast all about parenting. 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:32.080 It's the good, the bad, and relatable. 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:36.200 And if you've come for any type of advice, clear 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:39.560 although we when we have a guest, we might get 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:42.000 some today. Actually, I feel like if ever there was 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:44.360 going to be advice given today, it's going to be 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:46.199 from our guest Anthony. 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:46.440 For sure. 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:48.680 But no pressure, no pressure at all. 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:52.000 But I had a good role model with my dad. 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:53.920 I think the best thing you ever said to me 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:55.960 was I make mistakes. 0:01:56.560 --> 0:02:00.760 That's straight away. We just dished out to wisdom, which 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:03.240 is amazing. So I'm looking forward to it. Thank you 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:04.840 so much for joining us. 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:07.640 I said to myself as I was coming up the elevator, 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:10.760 I'm like, I'm not gonna You're not gonna pass you 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:12.640 where you go too much. But I honestly mean this 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:14.720 when it is an honor to be in your presence 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:16.240 totally here. 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:18.880 You've been a part of both of our families. For 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:21.560 I mean, I'm a nineties baby, was born in nineteen ninety. 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:24.400 Matt's a little bit older, nearly forty. I like to 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:26.520 point that out a lot. But now we've both got 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:29.919 kids in the era of Wiggles and we're just chatting 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:32.200 on the way here about just jogged my memory when 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:34.520 I had my first child, and I don't remember being 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.760 a toddler and being entrapped by the Wiggles as these 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.320 young kids do. But I remember when I first had 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:43.160 Oscar and he was just going mental. I'll try this 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:45.280 Wiggles thing and put the Wiggles on and he just 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:48.160 shut up straight away. And he's loved it ever since. 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:50.919 He's four now and he's just like got the pop 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:54.359 out books and got everything. So it's amazing to have here. 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:57.080 But the day will come when he goes Wiggles is 0:02:57.120 --> 0:03:00.560 for babies, that happens. 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:02.760 I was like, no, it's not, keep watching it. 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:05.720 You'll keep watching it whit kids. When my kids were 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:08.720 young at play school as a preschool teacher, I loved 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:11.399 play School. I still love it and I would put 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:14.080 it on them and they came to a stage where 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:16.200 it's for babies and were. 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:18.600 You sure I know it does like that's been on 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:19.200 place cool? 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:21.400 Oh yeah, you have well done, mate. 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:24.600 Yeah. I force my kids to watch it before we 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:27.480 get into the Wiggles. You mentioned your dad, do you 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.720 think looking back, were you drawn more towards your mum 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:33.080 your dad, or did you have an equal relationship with 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:33.680 both parents. 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:35.680 I know I think my dad because I love my mom. 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:39.480 But Dad was He was unbelievable. He did revolutionary things 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:41.640 like this is how old I am? Right, I'm nineteen 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:45.760 sixty three. I was born in nineteen seventy one or seventy. 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:47.680 He sat us all down. Now I was only six 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:49.880 or seven, but I still remember it, and he said, 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:53.160 I'm wrong about the Vietnam War. I just want to 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:55.080 say that I'm wrong about it because Dad was all 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:59.080 gung ho and even then as a kid on it. Wow, 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:01.680 he's set down to tell us he's wrong about something. 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:02.760 How old were you at this point? 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:04.640 I was six or seven? Yeah? 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:07.360 Straightaway He's like, listen, son, I've got the hard truth 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:07.560 for you. 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:10.680 Yeah. One time I came to you know, I'd done 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:15.040 something crazy, and he said, Anthony, don't be hard on yourself. 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:20.520 It's and don't tell your mum. He was good man. 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.680 So then it was your mom, though, who introduced you 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:24.240 to music? 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:24.880 Is that right? 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:27.839 Yeah? Mom went through all the grades for the piano, 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:31.799 and she loved music so much and she just wanted 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:35.480 us to learn music. Have music as part of our lives, 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:36.920 and she did it. 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:40.640 We'd love music and so of all you want to seven. 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:42.800 Yeah, you're the youngest of seven seven yeah. 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.159 Musically talented wise, who was the best? 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:46.920 Where do you rain? 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:51.640 I think Johnny my brother. He's like an incredible songwriter, 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:54.880 just an amazing guitar player. He was also I don't 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:56.200 know if you guys are into the sport, he was 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:59.560 a cricketer and he played for New South Wales under nineties. 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.160 Annoying, isn't it Those people who were good and he 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:05.240 says that come on, but aimed. 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:07.880 Some of it for us. Tortured me as a kid 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:11.359 like I was batting. It was just. 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:15.760 Down the driveway. 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:19.080 I imagine there was seven kids growing up like that 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.159 must have been absolute chaos. 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:23.839 The boys were four boys, three girls, and the boys 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:25.920 just stuck to each other and the girls just stuck 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:27.920 to each other. It was really And by the way, 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:30.000 we had four guys in the one room, three girls 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:32.120 in another. Oh my goodn't mother and dad and the other. 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:34.600 So we had three bedroom house in Laylall Park, which is. 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:37.479 I can imagine that. I can imagine the fights. 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:40.480 And you know, it was funny. There was no preschools. 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:44.159 In those days, Mom had seven under six ods, seven 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:47.120 kids under six, and she said, you didn't need a 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:48.760 preschool because. 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:52.960 Yeah, yeah, you got your own in house preschool. 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.320 And now what else? Talking about the old days, Mum 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:57.760 would always say, I look at you guys with those 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:00.440 disposable nappies, and I'd say, why weren't they around? 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:05.000 You don't have to wash all of them, all the wash. 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:07.480 But I'm sure you guys went go through it and 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:12.000 you go, oh, the environment, I'd rather, yeah, do disposable, but. 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.000 I'll let him, I'll let him poop in the lawn. 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:15.120 I'll just get out there. 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:17.560 Do you do the disposable. 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:21.440 Yeah, Look, it's a path of least resistance. We have 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:25.400 occasionally said like, oh the environment, absolutely, it is important. 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.240 But at the same time, when we're working, we're so 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:30.560 time poor. It's just like, whatever is they don't have 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:32.000 to easiest route to go down. 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:35.520 Yeah, I was always disposable, so I'm not I'm not. 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:40.200 I don't judge. But also apparently it costs so much 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:46.440 to the environment washing, Yeah, the emissions from the washing machine. 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:47.600 What about dummies? 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:50.760 Oh yeah, well he's a dummy guy. Mine grow out 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:53.960 really really early. So I like, sorry, Matt. 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:59.240 But it's not a guilt. My kids were dummies. Dummies 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:00.280 they love the ummy. 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:01.320 Matt still has his dummy. 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:05.880 But do you think growing up, I think my first 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:09.560 dream was to be a cricketer, Like I remember vividly 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:11.840 watching it and seeing it and playing it and going, 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:13.760 that's what I want to do. So when your mom 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.880 introduced to music in your head where you're like, this 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:18.560 is it. This is for me as a kid, this 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:20.000 is what I want to do when I grow up. 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:23.040 Well it actually wasn't because when I was seven. You 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:25.840 know when they when you're seven, you're at primary school 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:27.680 and if they still do it, but just to write 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:29.640 down what you want to be when you grow what 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:34.280 did you say? Write? I still got a teacher, a soldier, 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:36.400 or a policeman, and I to two of them because 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:37.280 I was a teacher and I. 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:40.480 Was a soldier, so all attainable toys. I want to 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:42.880 be an astronaut. 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:46.000 That it's not too late. Were still we could make 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:47.840 the policeman, have made the police. 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:50.520 Force, almost joined the police force after the army. 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:52.760 I think that's the biggest surprise, is you know, for 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:55.640 anyone who doesn't know you had three years in the army, 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.920 and I can't imagine there's many people out there who 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:01.040 have made the transition for being in the army to 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:04.080 then working their way into early education. How did that 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:05.119 transition come about? 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.520 It was just an accident. My sister was in the 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:11.960 early days of the early nineties and late eighties because 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.600 I didn't graduate from high school. But you could do 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:18.240 a mature age test to get into university. And so 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.320 I was twenty three. I just come out of the 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:22.720 army and my sister said, oh, look, I'm doing this 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.600 mature age test to get into become a preschool teacher. 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:27.400 Would you like to drive me? And I said yeah. 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:29.080 Then I went, you know what, I'll do the test 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:31.240 too if I can. I signed up. So it was 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:34.160 all an accident and I passed. She did too, but 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.080 she didn't want to do it. But I stayed there 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:38.440 and it was just an accent. But as the course 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:41.760 went on, I realized it was all about empowering children. 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:45.000 Preschool education is about. It was like Bill Gates came 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:47.520 up with where do you want to go today? That 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:51.520 was what was great about preschool education. It wasn't set 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:54.240 curriculum like primary school, get sweat to. 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.360 Be a bit more creative, much more creative. 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:59.240 And really you'd set up little areas of learning for 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:01.520 the children and could pick out what they wanted to do. 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:03.960 But when you get to primary school, it's more like 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:06.720 nine o'clock to nine thirty. That's math, you know, so 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:10.079 very routine. That's it. Yeah, So I loved preschool. 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:12.400 And before you took a test to go, did you 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.120 have a list of things that you wanted to study 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:16.560 or did you just go? I want to teach the 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:17.800 young minds that no. 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:19.600 No, I had no idea. I didn't even want to study. 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:21.520 I just left the army. I was trying to get 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:24.480 into the police force, which I would have done, and 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:27.360 my sister just went, come and do this, and okay, 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:30.920 he's the male testosterone thing. I had three years in 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.760 the infantry and I was surrounded by men, learning about 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:37.480 you know, weapons and more. Driving out of my personal carrier, 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:39.880 just go on to the campus and I look around. 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:44.360 There's there's women everywhere, and it was so great. So 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.079 I just felt peaceful and like this is the play. 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.280 It really was. I thought, that's sober. I said Colleen, 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.640 I'll do the test too, and I did. That's how 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:57.480 I've become a pre school teacher, but it was never 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:00.120 in my ambition. But honestly, as it went on, I 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:04.199 was sort of going wow, this world and putting into perspective. 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:06.600 There was only three men in the one hundred and 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:09.640 two years at the Institute of Early Joldo that had 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:12.720 graduated before us, so it was really strange that a 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:14.520 man was doing at that time. 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:16.839 Well, even now, you know, Ash and I were pretty 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:20.320 hands on parents, and sometimes, you know, if I go 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:22.199 to the pub and I'm talking to mates who work 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:25.200 full time and they have a more traditional setup, I 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:30.320 sometimes feel, I know self, I guess like insecure about 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:32.640 my role as a parent, because you know, sometimes I 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:34.560 feel like I should be the man who goes and 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:37.320 works and brings home the money. When you're talking to 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:40.040 your mates, did you ever feel insecure about saying, oh, 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:41.920 I'm going to be a preschool teacher. 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.560 Not really, because my mate so I was always a 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:51.640 bit musical and always really was the matcho man at 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:56.599 the time. But it was really different on that especially 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.800 in ninety nine ninety eighty nine when I went through 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:02.719 U we had a part of our course that we 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.000 had to do as males called there's a man in 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:08.760 our preschool. Wow, what it was was it was to 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:12.440 protect yourself and to be above suspicion because it was 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:16.120 so strange even though men are parents and we should 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:18.360 be part of children's Yeah, totally, but. 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:21.080 You know, there would have been some stigma, of course, 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:22.760 like as there is with a lot of things. 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:23.520 And I mean. 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:25.679 That's good that they've have that module where it's like 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:28.199 covers you and puts a lot of parents at ease. 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.760 That's right, so total hands off. Little children come, they 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:34.439 fall over and hurt themselves, they come over, well, I 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:37.720 would always direct them to teacher's assistance. Yea, no nap 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:40.320 be changing, which was the greatest thing. I was going 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:43.080 to argue that, you know, so can I get home? 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:46.360 But I had this really great friend of mine. I 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:49.920 went through this studio child with Andrew, and he went 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:52.800 on a pract teaching at a primary school and he 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:55.280 was waiting outside like the toilet time, and he would 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:57.800 you directed the kids in there. He was waiting outside 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:00.880 the toilets and a passing mum call the police. Oh 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.560 my goodness, so poor Andrew. I mean that was the 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:04.360 sort of it. 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:07.120 Wouldn't traumatize you a little bit too, Like just the 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.400 I know, it's like the mum's probably just been extra cord. 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:12.960 That's right, that's for him. He would have been like, yeah, 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:16.840 this guy suffered from anxiety anyway. But I'll tell you 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:20.440 another funny learning thing. What I was teaching. Now. You know, 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:25.360 children are very very concrete thinkers, and when you give 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:32.840 an instruction, it usually should go one instruction only, like overload. 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.000 It was probably my first week of teaching, and the 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.880 kids came into the classroom with the three year olds 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:41.040 and I mean, okay, if you five over there, go 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:43.119 to the toilet, wash your hands out to be fantastic. 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:46.000 So they went to the toilet and wash their hands 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:50.280 in the toilet, and I walked it. 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:54.280 Yeah that was there, because you know, it wasn't the 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:57.640 same toilet. 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:00.520 But the teaching help up said that what stands in 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:05.640 the toilet? They still call the bathroom the toilet, and 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:07.000 you go wash your hands in the toilet. 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:08.920 I think, so, yeah, that's the terminal. 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:11.520 Adults we know, okay, you don't mean washing, You've got 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:15.199 to be more specific in the bathroom the toilet. 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:19.640 While she was studying, that's when the original cast members 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:21.960 of the Wiggles came together. Do you remember what it 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:24.520 was like that very first time that you guys, I'm 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:28.199 not musically inclined myself, but had a jam and played together. 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:32.600 Yeah. Well the jam sesh was playing nursery rhymes. It 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:35.800 wasn't playing rock and roll. We had a music in 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:39.720 theater education component of the course, and I had this 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.960 idea because I was listening to ABC and the artists 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:44.959 that were out at the same time, and they were 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:48.199 doing some good stuff. Don Spencer, Peter Coob lifting to 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:52.000 the Canadian guy called RAFFI was fantastic, and I thought, well, 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:55.040 we've got the early childhood of education. Why don't we Well, 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:57.280 I don't make some music and I can't sing, so 0:13:57.760 --> 0:13:59.240 we came in and I said, guys, let's have a 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:00.600 bit of a jam. And came from that. 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:01.320 Wow. 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:05.040 So the first gig that you played at this point 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.840 where you're thinking, oh my gosh, we could be we 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:09.280 could be something really big here. 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:13.520 Never thought that. No, it was we were real education heads. 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:17.320 So let's put what we know from child development and 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:19.280 see if we do a little show for children that 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:22.160 they respond. And that's all it was. You know, the 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:25.000 guys you see street performers and all, that's something we 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:26.960 was busking. We just liked we. 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:28.760 Sort of you're just doing it for the love of it. 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:31.560 That's all it was, and it still is really, but 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:33.520 that's all it was. 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:37.800 Have you ever had a song that you've written in 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:41.120 the studio and thought we're onto something here, played it 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:44.080 to an audience of kids and it's just not hit 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:44.560 the mark. 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.400 Well not really because you don't see that. But what 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:50.920 we did once it was my idea, and it was 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:54.360 it was bad, It wasn't great. It was called Dorothy's 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.520 question Time. Okay, so we would stop the concert, I'd 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:00.920 say it's Dorothy's question time, and we had Dorothy day. 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:04.160 I got a question for Dorothy. Now I point to 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:07.320 you know, look put their hands up and say, I'm four. 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:11.800 It's not quite a question to someone else. I've got 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:12.200 a dog. 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.400 What we realized just Dorothy's statement times. 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:22.320 We realized that children that age don't understand what a 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:26.360 question is. I have to learn that. So the next 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:29.280 week we change it to Dorothy's news time. If you 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:32.920 got news to Dorothy, I'm four, that's clear, and it became. 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:36.680 But what Murray labeled it, in his very humorous way, 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:39.040 was the Dorothy question Time. He said, you should call 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:40.640 that Dorothy's Crash and burnt. 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:47.520 Tiement was it adapted to the audience, which is great. 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:52.240 During the time when Early Days started to play shows, 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:55.280 you were doing like city hall, town halls and stuff 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:58.760 like that. And then it just exploded. Do you remember 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:01.160 what that was like as a group, You're like, oh 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:03.760 my goodness, Like, how do you wrap your head around 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:04.200 how big? 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:07.440 It just went well in Australia. It was really just 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:10.120 a word of mouth because you don't get played on 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:13.800 the radio with Dorothy the Dinosaur or Rockway Beer, and 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:15.760 it just we called it the Bush Telegraph and we 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:19.080 were the only group doing like a male group doing 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:23.040 children's shows, and it just the words spread and then 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:27.239 we did twenty one Days in a Row of urselves 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:31.440 raising money for the Nursing Mother's Association, and it just 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:33.360 grew and grew, and we got on television. Then we 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:35.480 went on The Ray Martin Show, which is a big show. 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:41.280 Yeah day it just ABC signed us, but America was 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:43.200 a different batter. We I don't even know how we 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:45.600 did that. It's unclear to me how we got over 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:49.800 there the first time, I don't remember, but it just exploded. 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.200 It really, Yeah, like that time like there was no 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:53.080 social media, so it was just like, yeah, have you 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:54.760 heard of these guys? You heard of that? Eventually it's 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:56.600 going to cross over the ocean to someone that they 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:57.800 over there. 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:01.920 They put our TV show on Disney Channel. Oh wow, 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:04.919 And the Disney Channel was four times a day. And 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:07.840 I remember when the American fella from the Disney Channel 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:09.320 came and saw us and said, you know, we've got 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:13.080 eighty four million subscribers, you know, and we went, my goodness. 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:15.040 Really wow. 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:20.840 Just like Australia. When you look back at the history 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:23.760 of the Wiggles, this may be a tough question to answer, 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.679 but is there one particular memory or achievement that stands 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:27.920 out as being one of your favorites. 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:31.679 I really look, all the og stuff was so much 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:36.919 fun and ridiculously accidental success. And you know, doing the 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.480 Macy's Day Parade, we did three of those with a 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:43.159 young fellow, you know, Steve Irwin. We were in the 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.879 same bus as Steve. Are just laughing about it, you know, 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:48.280 had a lot of great moments with Steve. I think 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:51.719 the Macy's Parade we played straight after nine to eleven 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:54.919 and it was very emotional, and I think that was 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:58.000 one of the great great moments. Playing Madison Square Garden 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:01.200 in America again was a brilliant Australia just been able 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:04.560 to tour and keep touring. But I really love how 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:08.240 the Wheels have expanded now and we're more representative of 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:12.160 the cultures in Australia and the gender we're gender balanced, 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:13.320 and I love that too. 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:15.720 I thought you were going to say doing this podcast 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:16.440 and doing the. 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:20.879 Podcast, it's one of the best playing to adults and 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:24.040 then playing to kids the crowd, what are the differences 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:25.040 you see in the crowd? 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:28.800 Will we do the original Wheels reunion tour and over 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:32.560 eighteen's come to that and during one of the first 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:34.720 time we did the crowd we're going crazy and quick 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:42.879 whispered into my year. They've spiked the right Benus. That 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:44.920 is fun and the other ones are fun. But the 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:48.399 children's performances there's much more of a responsibility. 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:51.199 Of course that you can be a bit loose with 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:51.840 the adults. 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:53.560 Well, well we keep it the same though. We keep 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:55.200 the show the same because people don't You don't want 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:56.560 to ruin someone's memory. 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:59.800 Yeah, I swear and all that stuff, so you know, 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:04.679 I didn't know AGREE had such a mouth on it. 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:05.640 That's true. 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:06.760