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Speaker 2: Good morning, Finney, Good morning, Canty, Good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you on the show, mate. Now, where

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Speaker 2: Perspective for having us and obviously there was a media

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Speaker 1: Didn't get the impression from her that she was wanting

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Speaker 2: And as the media does, it's blown up out of nothing.

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Speaker 2: And the biggest frustration come back to this is they're

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Speaker 1: Please, so just so I've got it clear in my mind.

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Speaker 2: They are very supportive of police. They are very proactive

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Speaker 2: They are frustrated, Katie, They are under resource. They continuously

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Speaker 1: And look, it's always a bit of a difficult juggle,

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Speaker 2: That's a juggling act that we have to do when

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Speaker 2: And I will be honestly say here, the COLP government

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Finny, while I've got you Is there a bit

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Speaker 2: Yes, I've sort an update from the Minister this morning

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Speaker 2: respect to the Allie Springs Correctional Center this morning about

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Speaker 2: we're maintaining that the workload of that, but the pressures

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Speaker 2: are being faced in Palmeston where we're running out of cells.

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Speaker 2: We've got no room left to possibly process any newer prisoners.

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Speaker 2: And we don't want to get to that situation because

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Speaker 2: got a job to do and we want to do

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Speaker 2: that job, and our members want to do that job,

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Speaker 2: and they're passionate about doing that job. Katie, So be

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Speaker 2: reassured the public. We will be still policing. We still

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Speaker 2: are policing as hard as we possibly can and making

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Speaker 2: sure the defenders are placed before the courts and it's

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Speaker 2: ultimately determined by them. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff. Well, Nathan Finn, it's always good to catch

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Speaker 1: up with you, mate. It's been a lot over the

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Speaker 1: last two weeks. We've caught up several times, haven't we.

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Speaker 2: It has been a lot, and yeah again, busy times.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but and you've got to stand up for your members,

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Speaker 1: so we're always we're always happy to have you on

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Speaker 1: the show.

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Speaker 2: Not as busy our members out in the street. So

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Speaker 2: I'm happy to be busy and happy to be providing

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Speaker 2: that guidance to our members and making sure they're supported

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Speaker 2: and make sure we're arguing and fighting for those conditions

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Speaker 2: that they deserve. And we can't thank them enough for

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Speaker 2: what they do, Katie, So I'm privileged to have have

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Speaker 2: that honor to advocate for them.

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Speaker 1: Nathan Finn, President of the Northern Territory Police Association, we'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you again soon. We'll thank you