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Speaker 1: The Will and Woody podcast.

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Speaker 2: Will the World's Oldest cat has just turned thirty.

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Speaker 3: What's the cat?

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Speaker 4: And I don't know how old my thirty thirty years old?

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Speaker 2: As the thing with birds, the bigger the bird, the

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Speaker 2: older the bird. Is that the same with cats.

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Speaker 4: This cat looks moderate size, so it doesn't look like it.

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Speaker 2: But fish as well, the bigger the fish.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And apparently with fish they will just keep growing

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Speaker 5: based on their environment. So a fish won't get bigger

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Speaker 5: in a fish bowl, but if you put it in

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Speaker 5: a lake, it'll get bigger.

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Speaker 4: That might just be coyfish, now.

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Speaker 2: That I'm saying, no, no, no, that's a fish thing all fish.

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Speaker 2: So why aren't the fish in the bigger fish, the

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Speaker 2: bigger fish, the older the fish.

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Speaker 4: Why aren't they fish in the ocean?

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Speaker 2: Like now, have you seen those photos of tuna They

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Speaker 2: catch the size of a car.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, big tuna. Anyway, we're getting distracted. Let's let's talk

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Speaker 5: about this cat. Yeah, now, this cat turning thirty.

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Speaker 2: Whish there was the same to the humans. By the way,

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Speaker 2: the bigger the human be gr see him from a

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Speaker 2: mile out.

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Speaker 5: Bloody, yeah, yeah, And it's just there'd be one good

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Speaker 5: thing about getting really old, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 5: Look at the size of me.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, exactly, cat cat asks me to get something from

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Speaker 2: the top film, I can do it.

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Speaker 4: Four cat cat back on.

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Speaker 5: So this story just angers me so much because it's

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Speaker 5: pushed a button with me. No, I don't hate all cats,

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Speaker 5: that's outrageous, but I have a I have a tricky

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Speaker 5: relationship with the cat in my household.

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Speaker 4: His name is Lenny. And here's the thing.

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Speaker 5: Apparently this guy who owns the oldest cat gives this

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Speaker 5: cat only bottled water. And the reason that makes me

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Speaker 5: angry and the reason that has has has pressed it

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Speaker 5: for me.

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Speaker 4: No, we're not doing that.

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Speaker 5: But what I can tell you is that I think

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Speaker 5: my wife treats the cat Lenny, better than me.

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Speaker 4: And it really really angers and trying not to swear.

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Speaker 2: Really like it's got to a stage where if I

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Speaker 2: if I go into the bedroom and mim is cuddling

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Speaker 2: with Lenny, the cat, I obviously if I come into

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Speaker 2: the bedroom, what do I want?

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Speaker 4: What do I want when I walk into the bedroom?

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Speaker 2: Get changed?

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Speaker 4: Well after that?

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Speaker 2: Do you do you do you want to cuddle?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I do, But are you communicating that or are you

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Speaker 2: just hoping for someone to throw around.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 4: I walk in there and go, oh, the cuddle train's here,

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Speaker 4: you know, something like that. It's something cute, and I.

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Speaker 5: Might hop onto, I hop onto the hop onto the

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Speaker 5: bed and she goes, why are easy?

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Speaker 3: Easy?

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Speaker 7: Easy?

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Speaker 4: You're gonna scare the cat off?

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Speaker 5: And I'm like, you're you're choosing cuddles with the cat

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Speaker 5: over cuddles with the with the train right now, the

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Speaker 5: cuddle train, and she goes, yes, I am gets worse

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Speaker 5: if the cat happens to position itself on my side

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Speaker 5: of the bed before I've got there and looks comfortable.

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Speaker 5: Nim Will genuinely say to me, oh, don't disturb the cat.

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Speaker 5: You might have to sleep in another bed tonight.

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Speaker 4: Straight up.

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Speaker 5: Wow, she said to her husband, to her betrothed, to

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Speaker 5: the love of her life. I'm fed up Will with

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Speaker 5: the fact that she is treating the cat better than me.

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Speaker 5: And I'm thirteen one, I was six or five right now.

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Speaker 5: I want to know if there's more people like me

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Speaker 5: that are frustrated on the home front. Is your partner

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Speaker 5: treating the pet better than you?

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Speaker 4: Wow? Can I do do a week?

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Speaker 5: I feel weak, I feel unloved masculately, I feel emasculated,

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Speaker 5: I feel unwanted.

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Speaker 2: Lay down the law. I'd try throw it out.

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Speaker 4: I try, but then she gets mad.

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Speaker 2: I killed a cat when I was three, accidentally. Accidentally,

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Speaker 2: that's an accident. Took a turn, accident, it was an accident,

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Speaker 2: but I did took a turn.

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Speaker 5: Well, we don't want to go there. We don't like

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Speaker 5: the killing of cats, guys. No, and I would never,

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Speaker 5: would never harm the cat, very clear. But I don't

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Speaker 5: know why you took us there.

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Speaker 2: No, because because that cat wouldn't do that to me,

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Speaker 2: is what I wanted to say. Because his chair.

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Speaker 4: Okay, let's just put that down. But you just let's

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Speaker 4: put it down. Thirteen one six five do you.

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Speaker 2: Throw your authority around?

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Speaker 4: Put it down, Just put it down.

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Speaker 2: Don't want to six throw the cat around.

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Speaker 4: You're making it worse, just a bit of swagger, making

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Speaker 4: it worse.

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Speaker 5: And I just I want to hear from some more

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Speaker 5: people that are that are frustrated and angry about this,

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Speaker 5: because it's wrong.

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Speaker 4: You know, she made some promises to me November last year.

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Speaker 5: She made some promises, and right now it feels like

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Speaker 5: she she married the cat, not me.

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Speaker 4: That's what it feels like.

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Speaker 2: It's in the bed in the bed actually is like

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Speaker 2: an interesting psychological feature here do we have to go there?

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Speaker 6: What that?

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Speaker 4: Do we have to go? We don't have to psychoanalyze

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Speaker 4: what's happening?

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Speaker 8: Well?

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Speaker 2: I got told that apparently if you have when you

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Speaker 2: have a child, and you have the child in your bed,

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Speaker 2: which is you know, obviously when they're bastfeeding and stuff,

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Speaker 2: it's quite it's not an uncommon response for men to

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Speaker 2: feel threatened.

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Speaker 5: Did I didn't feel threatened by rim? That was fine,

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Speaker 5: that was fine. I feel threatened by the cat.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so that thing for you because it's taking your bed. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I don't take in your your life, yeah, just

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Speaker 2: as your yes.

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Speaker 5: Well, this is striking true? Actually, isn't that interesting? Striking

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Speaker 5: is an interesting example? Can I give you another example

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Speaker 5: of the yes triggering?

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Speaker 2: This like masculine fear response that's taking something that should

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Speaker 2: be yours? Well, yes, you and member both both coverging

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Speaker 2: and pussy in this instance. It is interesting, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: It was?

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Speaker 5: It was good until that now, but it's true to

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Speaker 5: go there, let's go to Nicole on Nicole, look, I'm

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Speaker 5: angry and it feels like you're.

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Speaker 4: Angry as well. Does your I am is your partner.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna partner who cares for the pet more than

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Speaker 4: you he.

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Speaker 6: Does, And like literally is the dog.

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Speaker 9: If I lie down and I go to give my

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Speaker 9: husband a kiss, the dog will come and line between

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Speaker 9: us so that he gets these kids. He'll try and

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Speaker 9: line between us on the bed, on the lund, he

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Speaker 9: gets special treats, he gets milk given to him. And

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Speaker 9: my husband says he's his favorite person in the fair leaguing.

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Speaker 5: And they say it in front of you as well,

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Speaker 5: don't they They just like they mean, will just say

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Speaker 5: that I love you, You're my special person, You're my

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Speaker 5: number one.

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Speaker 4: It's like, I'm right here.

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Speaker 2: I think this is a special special class of patheticness.

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Speaker 2: If you're jealous of an animal, I'm not jealous of

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Speaker 2: the animal.

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Speaker 5: I'm jealous of the love that the animal receives. That's

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Speaker 5: what I'm And I'm not jealous, I'm angry.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if that got better or worse.

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Speaker 5: As Okay, there's a rule in your house regarding animals.

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Speaker 4: Let me hear it.

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Speaker 6: So we have a rule that is, if an animal,

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Speaker 6: so cat or dog, is on you, it is illegal

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Speaker 6: to move. So let's say you wanted to drink, someone

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Speaker 6: else does have to get that for you. If a

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Speaker 6: cat or dog is sleeping on you, we have that

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Speaker 6: legal to move way.

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Speaker 2: We have that if Stevie, if Stevie's asleep on one

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Speaker 2: of us, then the other one has to go and.

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Speaker 4: Get the no way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because she loves it so much. It's so nice

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Speaker 2: for her.

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Speaker 4: Who's who she here? The dog? The dog? Yeah, no,

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Speaker 4: I get that. But if you're if you if you

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Speaker 4: want to have a cuddle with the dog though.

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Speaker 2: The time both of you leave the house.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what's the cat Lenny Lennie, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He gets affection from you guys, very rarely.

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Speaker 4: That's not true. That's not true.

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Speaker 2: Well, you you told me before that you threw him

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Speaker 2: out the cat door because you know how to use it.

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Speaker 4: I'm teaching him how to use the cat door.

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Speaker 2: You please feel free to give the show a call

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Speaker 2: It's awesome and the Bogles as to Hey, you should

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Speaker 2: play it as well, do I engage, do I just

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Speaker 4: So you don't want to pop your head up too

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Speaker 2: Be a silent member. But then you know, and then

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Speaker 2: you miss out on the fun bit of misdirection. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: the reason I'm bringing this up is because overnight, the

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Speaker 2: accidentally added to a group chat with Trump JD. Vance

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Speaker 2: and they were in a group chat on Signal, which

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Speaker 2: is a private confidential messaging system. They were in a

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Speaker 2: a phone call, don't you guys? What's the zoom about again?

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Speaker 2: Teams air strikes and we're doing air strikes?

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Speaker 3: That wow?

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Speaker 2: That is of course imagine working for someone like Signal,

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Speaker 2: what's the NBA there signing as in that they see

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Speaker 2: the messages, someone sees them. It's like the Russians who

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Speaker 2: are running someone season. You can't tell me that Zuki's

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Speaker 2: not sitting there. You know it does zaki own signal?

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Speaker 2: I reckon every morning Zuki would get to work and

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Speaker 2: he'd get a little Here's here's the best here, here's

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Speaker 2: four hours, best group chat names.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he would, that's someone's job.

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Speaker 2: He's crookie cookie. I've been saying it for a while.

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Speaker 4: Yea, allegedly just helping you there.

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Speaker 2: Mate loves a looky looky he does, but allegedly likes

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Speaker 2: But whoever?

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Speaker 10: Is it?

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Speaker 2: Signal there on one? So someone has a job to

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Speaker 2: this canvas. All have been the canvas here. But you're

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Speaker 2: having a look. It's you know, you and I are

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Speaker 2: saying that we don't use Sarah from Sales occasionally for

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Speaker 2: a great phone call. I mean, that's just no one's

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Speaker 2: believing that.

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Speaker 4: Now I might need to now though, who knows?

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Speaker 2: So, Sarah busy five, have you been added to the

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, Yeah, you want to be fitting in. You

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Speaker 5: And then I'd be like, boys, let's call it off.

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Speaker 5: We're killing people, you know how I said, yeah, man,

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Speaker 4: That's what I'd say.

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Speaker 2: Great, Okay, I've got that pretty well. Let me hear

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Speaker 2: You've ever then added to the wrong group chat. If

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Speaker 2: he is still with us amazingly. Now let's get into it.

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Speaker 2: Because Trumpy was added to the editor in chief of

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Speaker 5: Unbelievable, fair old faux pa from whoever the admin?

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Speaker 2: Well, whoever added him in? I'd say, whoever added him in?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Was it deliberate though?

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Speaker 4: Why would they deliberately do that.

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Speaker 2: To sabotage the air strikes and Trump's administration.

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Speaker 5: Do you think someone in there was like, we need

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Speaker 4: Yeah, jeez, yeah, James bonded play.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm surprised I had to explain that to you,

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Speaker 4: Don't really understand signal to be fair, are you not

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Speaker 5: So I don't need to encrypt my messages and an

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Speaker 2: Captain Captain poopans, Oh yeah, ah, he's hurt himself sliding

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Speaker 2: knee on the Get the guy in your chair. He's

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Speaker 2: These days?

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Speaker 7: It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 4: He's the modest man, market lead, market lead.

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Speaker 2: We've got some new forks in today, plastic but forks. Hey,

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Speaker 2: let's talk about you quickly, because you got added to

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Speaker 7: I did the Molong Magpies under twelve's parents group.

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Speaker 2: This is totally random, right, it's just brilliant. You're just

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Speaker 7: I observed a lot of the chat going on. A

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Speaker 5: I think that's smart to observe. By the way, is

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Speaker 2: About an in appearance group on an under twelve. Well,

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Speaker 7: Can little Billy play off in the fourteens this year?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and did you comment on that? Did you

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Speaker 7: No, I hadn't seen enough a little Billy?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, fair enough for So when did you get yourself

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Speaker 7: That's call him Redfern.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I asked Redfern for for an update on the

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Speaker 4: Great, classic boring questions. You're beautifully fitting in there.

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Speaker 2: It was like a very drunk mess. You've obviously been

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and did Redfern engage?

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Speaker 2: Yes, guys, we are sitting at fourteen red Jo's so far.

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Speaker 2: So you're in, You're in, You're in there by the way,

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Speaker 7: To which I replied, not bad from you, Redfern.

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Speaker 4: When that's when Red Fern's going, Not bad from you, Redford.

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Speaker 2: Susie, you were added into a group chat.

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Speaker 8: I was actually added into my bridesmaid's group chat about

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Speaker 4: And did anything come out which was controversial?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so they added me on what's happened the friend

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Speaker 4: Oh sorry, so sorry, so you just dropped out there.

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Speaker 8: So she named it brides She's no longer a friend.

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Speaker 2: So you didn't even get to see any of the chat.

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Speaker 2: You just said.

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Speaker 8: She had created it and then she'd accidentally.

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Speaker 5: Then so then she got sacked from the bridal party

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Speaker 2: I'll preduce to worried. I'll here we go, Jacko, I

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Speaker 12: The VFL side.

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Speaker 4: But like so.

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Speaker 14: Staying with my sister for a couple of nights and

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Speaker 10: They were asleep.

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Speaker 14: You can imagine that I didn't actually open the door,

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Speaker 4: Go away. Okay.

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Speaker 5: So the sister in that scenario has chosen to keep going.

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Speaker 2: Wow, you've got it.

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Speaker 5: You've got to You've got your brother bleeding at the

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Speaker 2: Look, I'm not a woman, sure as you know. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 2: You think she was well within her right to go.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I don't care how much you're bleeding. I

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well I think that's fascinating. Here's what I want

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Speaker 2: On thirteen, a little bit further into that day, not necessarily.

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Speaker 4: Not necessarily else does not necessarily.

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Speaker 2: the sex ologists get her involved. Surely someone we're I'm

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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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Speaker 5: I want to talk about the dilemma that people face

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Speaker 4: Yep?

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Speaker 5: Okay, And then there's an obvious follow up question thereof

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Speaker 5: did you keep going or did you stop? I'm going

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Speaker 5: to throw some at you, because you know, save space.

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Speaker 5: I want to make people feel comfortable to share their.

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Speaker 2: Stories, the hypothetical, hypothetical.

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Speaker 5: Or they're either hypothetical or potentially things from my real life,

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Speaker 5: and I'll let people figure it out for themselves.

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Speaker 4: But blood knows.

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Speaker 2: Like it's a temporary stop down, like it's a pit

446
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Speaker 2: stop for sure. So there is a pit stop there, definitely.

447
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Speaker 2: Well it depends how bad the bleeding is, but blood.

448
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Speaker 5: Everywhere, so from your life, well, yes it is there.

449
00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 5: There was a lot of blood, but because the lights

450
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Speaker 5: were off, it was almost like, well I can't see it.

451
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Speaker 4: Could be a little bit of sweat.

452
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,119
Speaker 2: So technic anyway, But when the lights came up, some

453
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Speaker 2: people like that was cooling.

454
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Speaker 4: Oh, don't go there, okay, next one, next one? Yeah,

455
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 4: pillow on fire.

456
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 2: Wow, that's also for you life.

457
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,120
Speaker 4: Well I don't say that every time, but.

458
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Speaker 2: He used the pillow to try and fan the firing.

459
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Speaker 4: What do you think the right thing to do? Is there?

460
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Speaker 4: Pillow lights on fire? Yep? Things are also heating up.

461
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Speaker 2: Stop I did stop?

462
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 4: Have to stop or the firearms goes off and the

463
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Speaker 4: whole house is in danger. I think you have to

464
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Speaker 4: stop that anyway. Thirteen one oh sixty five is the number.

465
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Speaker 4: What was the interruption? Yep? Did you keep going?

466
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Speaker 2: The T one six five? And is a family friendly show.

467
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Speaker 4: Don't go into the nitty gritty of it, of course. Anyway,

468
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Speaker 4: I couldn't find the word a stoppable interruption showing the.

469
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Speaker 2: Law they'd probably called a nervous actors intervenience.

470
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Speaker 4: And that's why I couldn't find the word.

471
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Speaker 5: That's why I couldn't find I was trying to find

472
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Speaker 5: nervous actors interveners, but I just wasn't there on the

473
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Speaker 5: tip of the tuck. Anyway, We've got Mark here, Mark,

474
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Speaker 5: what was your nova actors to mean us?

475
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Speaker 4: What was the interruption my friend.

476
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Speaker 10: The mother in law at the time that she walked

477
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Speaker 10: in on us.

478
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 2: Okay, now, Mark, I know we can't go details, but

479
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 2: from how compromising it was the position scale tenner off doggie?

480
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 2: Come on, Mark, Now, I tried to go for numbers.

481
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 2: I tried numbers. I tried numbers. I said, now do

482
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Speaker 2: we We've tried there. That's just that's that's that's that's.

483
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 4: We've tried, can't. I think what Mark was trying to say,

484
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 4: hang on, hang on.

485
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Speaker 7: Maybe maybe just lead position, chat out of it.

486
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Speaker 2: I didn't even position. I just said scale of one

487
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Speaker 2: to ten. He said ten. I was done. He said

488
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Speaker 2: off or not?

489
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Speaker 4: No one said position.

490
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Speaker 2: And I think what he was he was painting a picture.

491
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Speaker 2: I think I was just using numbers.

492
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Speaker 4: Now, hang on.

493
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Speaker 5: I think what he was trying to say was the

494
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Speaker 5: dog was also in the room. Now, good, good clean

495
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Speaker 5: family fun.

496
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Speaker 4: Jade. We're not no Mark. You can bug her off.

497
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Speaker 2: Mate.

498
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Speaker 4: Let's go to Jade. What was the interruption for you?

499
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 4: Let's keep it clean.

500
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Speaker 6: About three year old daughter.

501
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 2: Okays that I don't cross that boundary yet, Like I

502
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 2: feel like i'd be very competently able to lie to

503
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Speaker 2: my two and a half year old, So surely that's

504
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Speaker 2: that's an easy.

505
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Speaker 12: Oh yeah, look, everything was dark and all, but so

506
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 12: a partner jumped out through the blanket over me, put

507
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Speaker 12: a pillow in front of him and he's like, come

508
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Speaker 12: on back to bed and like sort of like weaved

509
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Speaker 12: it back into bed and shut it door and came

510
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Speaker 12: back and we got back into it.

511
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Speaker 2: I think that's going to have the pit stop really

512
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Speaker 2: changing tires, yep, changing the tires soft ones on, hard

513
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Speaker 2: ones on. That's just fun. That's a clean F one

514
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Speaker 2: double on tendre F one in the zeitgeist right now.

515
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just that's just a good bit of humor.

516
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Speaker 2: Oscar the China GP he named after him, And we're

517
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Speaker 2: out Benix five.

518
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Speaker 4: Good Matejo, I'm worried about you based on your voice.

519
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Speaker 4: But here we go. What was the what was the interruption, Bennie?

520
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 10: So basically I was home alone with me and my

521
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 10: girlfriend basically got busted by my mom and my auntie.

522
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 10: Oh and yeah, doing push ups let's just say that much.

523
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 10: And then basically she's like not under my roofs and

524
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Speaker 10: basically made me walk home while I was in lack

525
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Speaker 10: of clothing, so I had to walk my girlfriend home.

526
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Speaker 10: She fully clothed, I was not allowed to be closed,

527
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Speaker 10: and my mom drove behind me with the car to

528
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Speaker 10: make sure I walked the whole way home.

529
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Speaker 2: Wow, wow, your mom frog marched you nude through the streets.

530
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Speaker 10: Yeah, one and a half kilometers away from my Oh.

531
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Speaker 2: Wow, that's great. Would I know that this is isn't

532
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 2: really in your zeitgeist, but well it might be an

533
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Speaker 2: incredible story here about the fact that I listen to something.

534
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Speaker 2: I know you're massive hands in huge, Tan Zimmer, the Clash,

535
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 2: Kat Stevens, Annie Lennox, and Kate Bush also big artist,

536
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 2: and I don't care what sort of music you're like,

537
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 2: all of them are really big arts. Sure you're playing

538
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 2: some hard Jimi Requiz on the record as well when

539
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Speaker 2: you're saying the record, yes, they've all made a record

540
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Speaker 2: together together, and the record is completely silent. So it's just.

541
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Speaker 4: This feels like a trick.

542
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 2: It does, right, it does it does.

543
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 5: So that the record is completely in silence. Its dogs

544
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Speaker 5: hear it, or saying is it in like a pitch

545
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Speaker 5: where only dogs or under twelve can hear it?

546
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Speaker 4: And there's some underground.

547
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Speaker 2: Frequencies that that adults can hear. I don't want you

548
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Speaker 2: to question that. I knew you question that. I want

549
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Speaker 2: to get on with the bit. I want to get

550
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Speaker 2: on with a big thank you. So so the story

551
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 2: is called the record is called is this what we Want?

552
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 2: And basically it's a protest record where they're saying, if

553
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Speaker 2: you change laws around AI and how much AI can

554
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: be used in music production, you won't actually hear our

555
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 2: voices on music anymore because you'll be hearing artificial intelligence.

556
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 2: So garage band, they're having to go at your garage bands.

557
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Speaker 2: I think, I think absolutely Now I can't answer a

558
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 2: lot of these questions, and I knew you'd have a

559
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 2: lot of really basic that wasn't a basic question.

560
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Speaker 4: Well that's my brown.

561
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Speaker 2: So what I've done is actually an old friend of

562
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Speaker 2: ours who's PA is actually studying his PhD in this

563
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Speaker 2: writing a PhD on exactly this, which I think is

564
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Speaker 2: one of the most interesting topics in the world right now. Sure,

565
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Speaker 2: artificial intelligence in general, but also how it impacts something

566
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Speaker 2: which we all know and love. I mean, God, you

567
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Speaker 2: listen to the radio right now for a reason because

568
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Speaker 2: you like music. So it's important to all of us

569
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Speaker 2: moves in the right direction. And I think Zach Cooper,

570
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Speaker 2: a very good friend of ours, joins us right now. Zach,

571
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Speaker 2: welcome to Willa Muddy.

572
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Speaker 6: What a pleasure, Zach.

573
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Speaker 4: Was I anywhere around the mark there with my questions

574
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Speaker 4: thus far?

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Speaker 15: I didn't fully understand that. Maybe they're a bit of

576
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Speaker 15: my head woulds.

577
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Speaker 2: But I appreciate your honesty. So, Zach, what's that? What

578
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 2: is this like a real threat? Is what they're saying hyperbolic?

579
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 2: Or is it actually going to be something to be

580
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 2: worried about in the future that we won't actually hear

581
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Speaker 2: real people's voice on music.

582
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Speaker 15: Well, I mean, I don't think you're not going to

583
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 15: hear real people's voices on music, because people are still

584
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 15: going to keep making music unless you force them not to.

585
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 15: The problem is is that it's going to be much

586
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Speaker 15: cheaper to just generate music than get people to make it.

587
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Speaker 15: So the question is more about whether you know, Spotify

588
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Speaker 15: decides to just like fill itself up with generated music

589
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 15: because that it doesn't have to pay the artists and

590
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 15: that can just print money for itself essentially, you know.

591
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Speaker 5: But so Zach, I can't imagine myself ever going onto

592
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 5: a Spotify or an Apple Music or iHeart and like

593
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 5: wanting to listen to a robot over a real human being.

594
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Speaker 4: I just can't imagine myself ever doing that. Is that

595
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Speaker 4: actually a concern?

596
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 15: Well, you might already be. I mean, you know, so

597
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Speaker 15: Spotify's already kind of been getting a hot honor because

598
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Speaker 15: it's already been you know, for the past however many

599
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Speaker 15: years it's been paying like Swedish beat farms to kind

600
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Speaker 15: of just get you know, sort of producers to make yeah,

601
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Speaker 15: you know, and other.

602
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Speaker 4: I'd love to visit all beat farms.

603
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Speaker 15: Yeah, they're not, they're not. They're not racist towards other

604
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 15: beat farms, but they do. The Swedes seem to have

605
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Speaker 15: a bit of a leg up in the race on

606
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Speaker 15: the beat farm front, where basically, you know, there's different

607
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Speaker 15: beat farms. You just pay some guy, you know, two

608
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Speaker 15: hundred bucks to like knock you up like sort of

609
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Speaker 15: elevator muzak, you know, and then if you if they

610
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Speaker 15: populate playlists with that, they don't have to pay the

611
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Speaker 15: same rates that they would you know, like a jazz

612
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Speaker 15: musician who they've brought off like a actual music label

613
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Speaker 15: or something. But now with AI, you can cut the

614
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Speaker 15: Swedish beat farm out, you know, and you can just

615
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 15: generate your own things. So obviously you're not going to

616
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Speaker 15: want to go listen to listen to Taylor Swift. You're

617
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Speaker 15: probably not gonna listen to the robot Taylor Swift over

618
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Speaker 15: real Taylor Swift. If you're just putting on music to

619
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Speaker 15: like hang out in my jocks too, or like music

620
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Speaker 15: to have on in the background while I'm listening to

621
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Speaker 15: Will and Woody and then that stuff, they can just

622
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Speaker 15: fill up with, like we're just like whatever music to

623
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Speaker 15: run to. And so a lot of those artists on

624
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 15: those like music to chill to, music to hang out to.

625
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 15: If you click on them, there's like nothing there, you know,

626
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 15: are You're right?

627
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Speaker 2: They curate those players where they're like your your chill

628
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: mix for today totally, but you.

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Speaker 15: Would never choose to listen to that, But they're choosing

630
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Speaker 15: for you, you know.

631
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't even read no choice, yeah yeah yeah.

632
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: And when you and I realized recently with Spotify, for example,

633
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Speaker 2: you can't not choose smart shuffle like if you've made

634
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Speaker 2: a playlist, yeah you can't. You can choose either repeat

635
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: or shuffle, but it instantly goes you're smart shuffling, which

636
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: means after we've shuffled your songs on the playlist, we'll

637
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 2: start throwing in some rope dust that we know is

638
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Speaker 2: for this playlist.

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Speaker 15: And it's an existential problem for Spotify because you can understand,

640
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Speaker 15: even up till now, I mean everyone's Spotify. It's massive,

641
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 15: it's taken up music. Spotify still hasn't turned a profit,

642
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Speaker 15: I'm pretty sure up until now, so because they pay

643
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Speaker 15: out too much, like a lot of those big companies,

644
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 15: you know, like they're just they're still in the rep you.

645
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Speaker 2: Know, wow.

646
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Speaker 15: So which is why they're pivoting the podcast. And that's

647
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Speaker 15: also why they're pivoting to aim music.

648
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Speaker 2: And I read in this book a little while ago,

649
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 2: this You've ill Know, a Harari book called twenty one

650
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: Lessons for the twenty first Century, where he was saying

651
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: that what they've done is they've managed to map what notes,

652
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Speaker 2: what frequencies, and in what succession create emotion for you,

653
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: and so they can map that onto music.

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Speaker 4: Like the Brown Sound.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure what the Brown sound is. So there's

656
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Speaker 2: a particular the book, but he basically said, you'll be

657
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 2: able to go on to your Spotify these days and

658
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 2: you won't even say, hey, give me a chill playlist.

659
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,719
Speaker 2: You'll you'll go on there and you'll walk into your

660
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: house and you go, hey, Alexa, I want to feel hopeful,

661
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: and you won't even you won't even get a playlist.

662
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Speaker 2: You'll just get like hours of the music that you

663
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Speaker 2: want to feel, because you know, it kind of takes

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Speaker 2: out the middle man of going like, oh, which artist

665
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Speaker 2: makes me feel a certain way? I don't like track

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Speaker 2: three because you know it is that? Is that going

667
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Speaker 2: to be a things?

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Speaker 15: I mean, it could be. I mean if that's what

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Speaker 15: people want, you know, I mean we on a consumer

670
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Speaker 15: demanding so we just want to hit a point where

671
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Speaker 15: I don't you want to have to think about what

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Speaker 15: to listen to, what to care about? Hey maybe you.

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Speaker 5: Know and so are you saying, well that it would

674
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Speaker 5: be bespoke to your brain, so like your brain would

675
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Speaker 5: respond differently.

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Speaker 2: Sure, I'm sure, I mean, Zach can correct me if

677
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Speaker 2: I'm wrong here, but I'm pretty sure. The way that

678
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Speaker 2: the software is working right now, it's constantly tailoring what

679
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Speaker 2: it's giving you based on your brain.

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Speaker 15: Well, that's what it claims through doing. It claims through

681
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Speaker 15: start of personalizing everything for everybody, but then kind of

682
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Speaker 15: complicated because in the same notion, it's kind of catching

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Speaker 15: you from daylight when you're like a three year old

684
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Speaker 15: or four year old now and it's like your case,

685
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Speaker 15: so that in the other hand, it's personalizing everything for you.

686
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Speaker 15: And then in a way I feel like it's kind

687
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Speaker 15: of personalizing us all towards each other.

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Speaker 5: You know, you don't rifting like that's that's record.

689
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Speaker 15: Concerts or whatever. You know.

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Speaker 2: So, so, Zach, does this scare you?

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Speaker 10: Like?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know, in and of your own right

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Speaker 2: a great musician, and I know how much you love music.

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Speaker 2: Should musicians actually be worried about this? Because, I mean,

695
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Speaker 2: this whole record has been released in the UK because

696
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Speaker 2: the UK is thinking about changing their laws so that

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Speaker 2: I think they can make it easier for AI models

698
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Speaker 2: to make music, and that's what they're worried about all

699
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Speaker 2: the musicians, and naturally musicians are going to be worried

700
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Speaker 2: about that. But is it actually like a real present

701
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Speaker 2: threat for musicians?

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Speaker 15: I mean, yeah, for the to make money. It is.

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Speaker 15: I mean, you could argue that already, like musicians have

704
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Speaker 15: been screwed for quite some time. Probably Spotify was already

705
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Speaker 15: just a huge death to you know. I read some

706
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Speaker 15: brutal star recently. It's like there's like two hundred thousand

707
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Speaker 15: musicians I think worldwide that are able to make money

708
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Speaker 15: off its compared to something like four or five million

709
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Speaker 15: influences in the US alone. Wow, so already like no one,

710
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Speaker 15: like most people can't earn a profit anyway, because everyone's

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Speaker 15: paying fifteen bucks a month for all of the music

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Speaker 15: that's ever existed, when you know, ten years ago you

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Speaker 15: paid twenty bucks for one album, you know, to make

714
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Speaker 15: economics of it are kind of like you don't really

715
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Speaker 15: like don't add up. But then now yeah, you've got

716
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Speaker 15: you can just have all this fake music that's taking

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Speaker 15: out another chunk of that. It's a big problem. The

718
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Speaker 15: bigger problem is that, like people are complaining about the

719
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Speaker 15: UK law, but actually if you made it so that

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Speaker 15: they couldn't you know, you put the copywriters stronger so

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Speaker 15: that they can't train the models. That probably also doesn't

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Speaker 15: fix the problem either, for a whole bunch of you know,

723
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Speaker 15: bland legal reasons that I could tell you, but yeah,

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Speaker 15: musicians are in big trouble in general.

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Speaker 5: So what needs to change in zac like like even

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Speaker 5: putting AI to one side here, Like, you're obviously very

727
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Speaker 5: across this stuff. You're a musician yourself, So what would

728
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Speaker 5: need to change? Because I'm really concerned that we're going

729
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Speaker 5: to live in a world where you know, there are

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Speaker 5: less musicians and then less amazing music being made. What

731
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Speaker 5: needs to change for that to you know, to make

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Speaker 5: sure the musicians or.

733
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Speaker 2: Not not less amazing music being made because the AI,

734
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Speaker 2: the computers are just smacking out of the park the terminators.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, about when we used to listen to human music? No,

736
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Speaker 15: I honestly is a really simple answer, which is that

737
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Speaker 15: people need to kind of go out and buy music,

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Speaker 15: which is not a Spotify subscription for fifteen bucks a month.

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Speaker 15: You've got to go out and like buy records, go

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Speaker 15: to shows, and like put a bit more into it

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Speaker 15: to like directly support people rather than kind of going, oh,

742
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Speaker 15: I've spent fifteen bucks for all the music ever and

743
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Speaker 15: now I'm listening to a bunch of robot chunks that

744
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Speaker 15: Spotify is feeding me, and like it's a shame. There's

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Speaker 15: no musicians anymore.

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Speaker 4: You know, well said, well said kind of feels like

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Speaker 4: what I'm doing.

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Speaker 2: I think my terrifying part about this is, well, I

749
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Speaker 2: don't think Zach mentions earlier obviously we've both got daughters

750
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Speaker 2: as well. Is that, like they're listening to Spotify from

751
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 2: that young they're going to have their own account by

752
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Speaker 2: the time they're five years old. How to know where

753
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Speaker 2: their music choosing begins and where Spotify starts choosing for them?

754
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Speaker 2: And if you told me that a robot could get

755
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Speaker 2: her to calm down at any time, you do it,

756
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Speaker 2: I'm getting that robot involved.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I'll just have a chip in their brains. But

758
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Speaker 15: you know, by the time Arra growing up, it'll just

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Speaker 15: be playing on the soundtrack all the time automatically.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh my god, exact. It's been good. I told

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Speaker 2: you not to scare us. I gave you one job,

762
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Speaker 2: Zach Cooper on Will and what do he made? Thanks

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Speaker 2: so much, that was awesome pleasure. We're going to find

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Speaker 2: out which generation is most out of touch.

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Speaker 3: Alone.

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Speaker 2: It's Will and.

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Speaker 4: Woodiest, all of the j as too. I think, very

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Speaker 4: very honest mid thirty year olds.

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Speaker 2: Will.

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Speaker 4: I think we are we're just at the nucleus of

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Speaker 4: all pop culture. We can.

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Speaker 5: We get what the young kids are up to, and

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Speaker 5: we're fully across history.

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Speaker 4: As well, we get we get the oldies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we stand astride both exactly right, zeitgeists exactly what

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Speaker 2: we are the Zeitgeist.

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Speaker 5: And at last, on the other hand, you're on the

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Speaker 5: interests what the TikTokers are doing and what the which.

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Speaker 1: Is very important and quite in like has a lot

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Speaker 1: of information in it that you should be across.

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Speaker 2: So okay, you know, anyway, underwhelming underwhelming, which is very important.

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Speaker 2: We find my geography teacher in U nine. Nobody cares, mate,

783
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Speaker 2: all right, hey, let's do it, shall we? Yeah, okay,

784
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Speaker 2: We've got another bit of audio to play you.

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Speaker 1: I've done six pretty well in the past.

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Speaker 2: You've been good, you have been good. Okay, can you

787
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: sing the next part of this song? Okay?

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Speaker 1: A strange thing happened when you're gone round the Twist.

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Speaker 4: Or something like that. I really has there been a

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Speaker 4: reboot there that we don't know about?

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Speaker 1: Do you know about that run the Twist on ABC?

792
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Speaker 1: OG runs mustuns like no like it must have been

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Speaker 1: like early days.

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Speaker 2: I'm angry at the budget of the Australian broadcast and

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Speaker 2: commissioned that it's still a win.

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Speaker 4: No, I still a win, f rust though, because we

797
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Speaker 4: made such good stuff. They're doing reruns now because they're

798
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Speaker 4: not very good.

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Speaker 2: I haven't got their own show, their own show. I

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Speaker 2: will take all right, what have you?

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Speaker 1: Okay, guys, who is Nikky Blonski a blondst She's blonde.

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Speaker 3: Blonk Ski, not bondy blonk Ski, as in like sky.

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Speaker 2: How do you spell a surname?

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Speaker 3: I've just putting it, you know, well, yeah, blonk Ski.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like a fake name.

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Speaker 1: B l o n s k Y.

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Speaker 3: Blonde, Blosky Blosky.

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Speaker 1: B l o n blonde ky blonde.

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Speaker 2: Nicky Blondski. Yeah, Blonsky blonde sky Blonski. Shocking name. I

810
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Speaker 2: think it needs to be said. It sounds like it's fake.

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Speaker 2: Is it someone in the gen Z calendar?

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00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: No, to be honest, this is someone from a few

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Speaker 1: years ago, like, and by a few, I don't mean

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Speaker 1: like two years ago. I'm talking maybe twenty forty.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, eleven years ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you should know. Did the PR run the

817
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Speaker 1: Big PR?

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Speaker 2: I think she's an artist. I think she's a musician.

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Speaker 4: Singer Yep Blonsky, what song see.

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Speaker 2: I'm in the right area. That's good, in the right

821
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 2: area when you get that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she wants more. What'd you sing? Well?

823
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Speaker 2: Is that is that?

824
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Speaker 1: That's part of that's that's a spray.

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Speaker 4: She's in hairspray.

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Speaker 5: She's in hairspray at the stage show or the movie.

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Speaker 3: The movie with a Volta Walter.

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Speaker 1: Yes, she plays Tracy turned Blair.

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Speaker 2: I don't care. You should think.

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Speaker 1: Should because do you know the website cameo?

831
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Speaker 2: I don't care analys Who is Jennifer love Hewitt.

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Speaker 1: She's an actress. She was in a season maybe I

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Speaker 1: don't know what, but she was in Criminal Minds at

834
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Speaker 1: some stage.

835
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Speaker 4: Criminal Minds.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's definitely Criminal Minds.

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Speaker 4: They've all done Criminal Minds. Give me one more.

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Speaker 1: She's a she's a big actress. She has brown hair,

839
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Speaker 1: like shortish bobby kind of vibe. I think I'm nail.

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Speaker 2: Criminal Minds.

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Speaker 1: Criminal Minds.

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Speaker 2: That's, like I said, like a law and order, but

843
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Speaker 2: it goes from the perspective of the criminal. Yeah, right,

844
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Speaker 2: that's right.

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Speaker 1: The b are you?

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Speaker 4: B are you?

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Speaker 2: What's that?

848
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Speaker 1: The Behavioral Intetelligence Unit