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Speaker 2: Good morning, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Lovely to have you here. We've got the Opposition leader

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katy.

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Speaker 1: And we've got the Treasurer Bill Yan, Good morning, Bill morning, Kate.

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Speaker 4: Great to be here for the first time this show.

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Speaker 1: We're great to have you in the studio. And we've

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Speaker 1: also got Kathleen Gazola, my producer. Good morning to you, Cashning. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's certainly going to be a busy one. We know.

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Speaker 1: The appointment of the Administrator has been making headlines for

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Speaker 1: being referred to in a disrespectful manner. The Opposition attempted

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Speaker 5: We have just asked many, many questions about this appointment

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Speaker 1: Member for Daily So, as I said, it blew up yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Never, Katie. I mean, I've seen a lot of people

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Speaker 2: They could have left in silence, but they didn't. They

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Speaker 1: Selena was an organized PR stunt.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't a PR stunt, Katie.

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Speaker 5: It was culmination of a whole couple of weeks, to

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Speaker 2: There's a parallel between boycotting budget estimates, which is a

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Speaker 2: Walking out of Parliament you can do it anytime, but

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Speaker 7: Misrepresented to go back to the public stunt of it,

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Speaker 1: That speaks for there is no doubt that there has

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Speaker 7: an administrator KYLEOK. And this is a decision of cabinet.

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Speaker 7: The name there was names put forward. The decision of

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Speaker 7: The Commonwealth do their vetting process and do those approvals

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but you guys should vre like surely when you

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Speaker 8: They admitted they saw those social media posts of Brent's

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Speaker 8: So social media is part of our lives now and

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: We got to give him a chance.

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Speaker 7: I accept that to Kathleen, because really, once you're in

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Speaker 7: Now, did David Conley ever think he may be the administrator?

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Speaker 1: Well, and Robin, you made the point a couple of

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Speaker 7: I think he needs the opportunity to get in there

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Speaker 4: Because at the moment he's not being allowed to do that.

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Speaker 7: It's just character assassination after character assassination against the individual.

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Speaker 5: I'm a member of parliament, Katie, and I respect the institution.

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Speaker 5: We put forward emotion on Wednesday in Parliament to talk about,

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Speaker 3: Let's try and avoid that.

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Speaker 5: For the future on behalf of Territorians, so we can

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Speaker 3: And it was knocked back by the CLP.

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Speaker 2: I think that this is governor general.

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Speaker 5: This is what.

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Speaker 1: Happens sometimes when there's appointments that really should be bipartisans,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm not the chief minister then make the pick.

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Speaker 5: So how do you then defend your choice if so

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Speaker 3: You should know because you're in cabinet now. Bill.

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Speaker 5: But then if you're not following your duty as a

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Speaker 5: I hope to never do that again.

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Speaker 2: Do you regret the way in which you did at

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Speaker 2: Selena as a group.

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Speaker 5: I can't speak for the other parliament members, but I

444
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Speaker 5: did not yell out.

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Speaker 3: I did not call out. I didn't I walked out silently.

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Speaker 5: I bowed to the chair, which I have done since

447
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Speaker 5: I was a member of the Youth Parliament in my

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Speaker 5: tea in age years.

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Speaker 3: I've never not bowed.

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Speaker 5: I bowed to the speaker in the chair, Robin yourself,

451
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Speaker 5: and I walked out silently.

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Speaker 1: Was it pre planned though we've been talking with.

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Speaker 3: The cross bench. Absolutely, because I.

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Speaker 1: Was watching it and I was thinking, oh, something's brewing,

455
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Speaker 1: Something's gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: We're at our you know.

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Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, I was excited to wave.

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Speaker 5: It should be exciting, but you know, it is of

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Speaker 5: values and principal space, Katie, and again the frustration that

460
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Speaker 5: so many territories are disappointed that we're not able to

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Speaker 5: ask a lot of questions again because of the restrictions

462
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Speaker 5: on the institution of part We completely understand and respect

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Speaker 5: that Robin's done a great job handling us all this week,

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Speaker 5: I honestly say, but the point of the culmination, the

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Speaker 5: point of frustration, to show territorians we're not just going

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Speaker 5: to be about words.

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Speaker 3: We also want to see action. It's up to the sealdication.

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Speaker 5: I don't think there's an extreme situation like we have

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Speaker 5: seen now, Robin, that would warrant it the huge, But

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Speaker 5: I really hope there is never a situation people that.

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Speaker 2: Were completely disruptive and disrespectful. I really and i'm hearing

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Speaker 2: today that you've got no qualms about letting it happen again.

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Speaker 3: I do want to clear this up.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be really matching your actions.

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Speaker 5: I hope that there is never a situation in the

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Speaker 5: Northern Territory Parliament that would require that choice unextraordinary, that would.

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Speaker 2: Be very extreme circumstances.

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Speaker 3: It's coming on their eyes and I'm a bit worried.

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Speaker 1: I know that some people listening this morning might actually

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Speaker 1: be thinking to themselves. So under the last term of government,

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Speaker 1: and I don't want to keep you know, going back

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Speaker 1: over all ground, but under the last term of parliament,

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Speaker 1: like I used to get really frustrated hearing when somebody

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Speaker 1: was talking about a personal experience around crime, and you know,

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Speaker 1: hearing members go stop talking the territory down, and you know,

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Speaker 1: and there's so much sort of that happens in Parliament

487
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Speaker 1: at different times that I listening get really frustrated by.

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Speaker 1: But what I wonder is you know that walking out

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Speaker 1: and that you know that leaving parliament it is a

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Speaker 1: really unprecedented step, and I just think, you know, you've

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Speaker 1: got to be really careful with that kind of of

492
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Speaker 1: action because it's such a privilege to stand in Parliament

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Speaker 1: and stand up for your community.

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Speaker 2: Katie. There was also a significant period in which there

495
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Speaker 2: was no crossbench or opposition members in the parliament.

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Speaker 1: So question anything or anything pass Any legislation passed. All

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Speaker 1: that was happening.

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Speaker 2: There were decisions made though without any any opposition or

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Speaker 2: cross bench members present.

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Speaker 1: Does that warrior you, Selena?

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Speaker 5: All of the legislation had finished by last reports that

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Speaker 5: were a ministerial statement which I'd already spoken on, which

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Speaker 5: means I can't speak on it.

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Speaker 2: There are a number of committee reports that were tabled

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Speaker 2: that normally you would have participated in a debate on

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Speaker 2: I just passed without.

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Speaker 3: And that happened after we were excluded. No, it did.

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Speaker 3: We weren't.

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Speaker 5: We weren't if you look at the timing, Robin, we

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Speaker 5: were exclud because we had people ready to speak on

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Speaker 5: those petitions. I can promise territory that's correct, but we

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Speaker 5: were excluded from the chamber.

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Speaker 2: Your behavior has backfired completely in terms of your ability

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Speaker 2: to hold the government again.

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Speaker 5: We have stood up for territories and wanting across.

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Speaker 2: Can I just respect.

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Speaker 1: Really quickly because we will have to go to a

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Speaker 1: break robin. So what's the situation now, because obviously, as

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Speaker 1: I understand that the Deputy Opposition later Duran young Was

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Speaker 1: and McNamara are both taken out for twenty twenty hours.

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Speaker 1: So next time Parliament sits, are they still out for

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Speaker 1: a period of time or a period.

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Speaker 2: Of time they won't be able to come back in

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Speaker 2: there is Yeah, there'll be twenty four hours from whatever time,

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Speaker 2: from whatever time, probably afternoon of the first day of your.

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Speaker 5: First My understanding is it doesn't carry over in terms

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Speaker 5: of the exclusion period.

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Speaker 3: It's from when the timer is set.

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Speaker 5: So if there's a Parliament sitting the next day, obviously

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Speaker 5: the exclusion continues on. If there's not luck in this case,

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Speaker 5: then they would be back in at ten am or

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Speaker 5: on the Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I'm sure we'll find out more when Parliament's

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Speaker 1: sits again. We'll take a really quick break. You are

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Speaker 1: listening to mix one oh four nine's three sixty. It

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Speaker 1: is the week that was really keen to hear from

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Speaker 1: you this morning zero four double nine seven double one

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Speaker 1: three six zero keen to hear your thoughts on Parliament yesterday,

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Speaker 1: and I know plenty of you still have opinions about

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Speaker 1: the appointment of the administrator. You are listening to Mix

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Speaker 1: one O four nine's three sixty eight is the week

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Speaker 1: that was in the studio this morning. We've got Robin Lamley,

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Speaker 1: Selena Yubo, Bill Yan and Kathleen Gazola. Now we were talking,

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Speaker 1: of course about Parliament. That is what's making headlines throughout

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Speaker 1: this week. But the other thing concerning a lot of

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Speaker 1: Territorians is the fact that the Royal Darwin and Palmerston Hospital,

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Speaker 1: it was announced yesterday, are currently experiencing capacity challenges due

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Speaker 1: to an increase in the number of patients requiring ongoing

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Speaker 1: acute care, and to manage that situation, a Code yellow

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Speaker 1: is now in place at both hospitals. Now we know

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Speaker 1: that that means there's a range of measures being implemented

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Speaker 1: to ease pressure and improve patient flow and discharges, and

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Speaker 1: these are going to continue to be reviewed and adapted

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Speaker 1: to mitigate the situation. Now, look, it's not the first time.

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Speaker 1: In fact, over the last ten years a years, we've

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Speaker 1: had a number of cod yellows and to me, what

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Speaker 1: it indicates is extreme pressure that our hospital system, our

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Speaker 1: healthcare system more generally continues to be under We know

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Speaker 1: that we've had some good announcements over the last couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks in terms of the aged care beds that

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Speaker 1: are going to be coming up online, that provider being

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Speaker 1: announced about a week ago. We've also got a situation

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Speaker 1: where that funding agreement I'm sure Bill's probably happy to

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Speaker 1: hear as the Treasurer has been reached, but we spoke

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Speaker 1: to Dr John's Orbis earlier in the week and he said, Katie,

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Speaker 1: you know, really it is only going to cover the

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Speaker 1: costs to cover what it currently does. We need more

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Speaker 1: and I don't know how this is all sort of

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Speaker 1: going to land because we know that we need a

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Speaker 1: new hospital as well. Robin Lamley standing up in Parliament

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Speaker 1: yesterday saying, if you're going to build a new hospital,

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Speaker 1: it's a spree, called it early, but you cannot deny

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Speaker 1: that our health system is under stress. I know it

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Speaker 1: has been for a long time, but we're getting you know,

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Speaker 1: like we're hearing that a lord at the moment. People

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Speaker 1: are worried about it. You don't want to be in

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Speaker 1: a situation where if you get crook, you're feeling like

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Speaker 1: you may not be seen.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, Kayla. And that's the difficulties we see in health

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Speaker 7: at the moment. Look and the Chief done a good

581
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Speaker 7: job down there with the Commonwealth the other week. And

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Speaker 7: this has been a work in progress since we've got in.

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Speaker 7: Is that federal funding for our hospitals. We know that

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Speaker 7: we've been short and this has been short for a

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Speaker 7: long time. This is not something that's just happened. We've

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Speaker 7: been short in our funding for our hospitals for a

587
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Speaker 7: very very long time.

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Speaker 4: And I would like it.

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Speaker 7: I'm hoping that the previous government was out there advocating

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Speaker 7: for that hospital funding, but it's taken far too long

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Speaker 7: to get here, because what it's done is it's made

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Speaker 7: it very very difficult to deliver the health stuff like

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Speaker 7: the common authory response sorry for age care, the Common

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Speaker 7: author responsible for age care. This announcement on age care

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Speaker 7: was made years ago. I remember when we were in opposition, Yeah,

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Speaker 7: interview and nothing and nothing has happened because we know

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Speaker 7: there's a lot of people taking up beds in our hospital,

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Speaker 7: our primary care beds that should be in age.

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Speaker 1: Care, that don't want to be in there either.

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Speaker 7: We're just driving some of these code yellow issues because

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Speaker 7: we're lacking in bedspace and of course people are taking

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Speaker 7: up resources. So looks that the Commonwealth have got to

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Speaker 7: really move quickly. Okay, they've announced a provider. Now we're

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Speaker 7: just waiting to see when they're going to get going.

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Speaker 7: We've got the Land of Aid, We're going to make

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Speaker 7: sure the headworks are done.

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Speaker 4: We're ready to roll on that. We just need them

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Speaker 4: to get in and do it.

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Speaker 1: Let's get this.

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Speaker 4: This is stuff that should have happened years ago.

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Speaker 1: Needs to look. There are a number of different concerns

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Speaker 1: I raised as well throughout the week, Selena. The thing

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Speaker 1: that really kind of piked my interest as well was

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Speaker 1: when I think it was on Wednesday, you guys asked

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Speaker 1: some questions around health and Chancey Pagan stood up and

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Speaker 1: said that the air conditioning in maternity was not working.

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Speaker 1: Is that is that faed Inker?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, O, Katie wein it's not.

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Speaker 5: Oh well, that's a bit disappointing that Bill hasn't gone

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Speaker 5: out as a COLP member of government to find out

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Speaker 5: if that's true or not. He's the Treasurer as well,

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Speaker 5: so they've got the money, Selena trust. So with this question,

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Speaker 5: Katie came directly from some of the strong advocates in

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Speaker 5: the Our Birth, Our Choice group. They gave us permission

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Speaker 5: to ask on behalf some of the women.

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Speaker 3: Who they've heard directly.

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Speaker 5: I actually sat with one of the advocates in the

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Speaker 5: chamber and we did ask the question on behalf of

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Speaker 5: the group.

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Speaker 3: It was dismissed very rudely by the Health.

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Speaker 5: Minister and then a little bit of a clarification at

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Speaker 5: the end of oh, yeah, it has had disruptions, but

633
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Speaker 5: it's on again. So this is quite construction in this weather,

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Speaker 5: and I did not have air con and the ability

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Speaker 5: to feel comfortable in that very, very huge part of

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Speaker 5: my life, I would be very upset. I'd be very traumatized,

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Speaker 5: and afterwards I'd probably be pretty pissed off, to be honest, Katie,

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Speaker 5: and I think that if that's an issue, the government

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Speaker 5: has to go out fix it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Loof, you can fix the air conditioning. Go and

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Speaker 3: fix the air conditioning.

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Speaker 5: There's obviously a whole lot of other issues in healthcare, Katie,

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Speaker 5: that people are aware of and facing every single day

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Speaker 5: here in the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 3: And we promised not.

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Speaker 5: To politicize code yellows because they are a measure they

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Speaker 5: are a mechanism. The COLP did it constantly when they

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Speaker 5: are in opposition, when we were in when Labor was

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Speaker 5: in government. We promise not to do that because it

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Speaker 5: is a mechanism for our health staff and our professionals

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Speaker 5: to do their job as best as they can under

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Speaker 5: that pressure.

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Speaker 3: So we won't pilaricize it.

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Speaker 5: But what we're not seeing from the CLP now that

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Speaker 5: we've got that good money for the Northern territory, what

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Speaker 5: are their plans on healthcare?

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Speaker 3: What other priorities?

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Speaker 5: And we have the treasure here, I would love to

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Speaker 5: hear what the priorities of the COLP government are in

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Speaker 5: using them.

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Speaker 1: Get in the air con bloody fixed.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 4: And I'm going to clarify for the record here and publicly.

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Speaker 7: The minute that state was made I was in contact

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Speaker 7: with DLI because.

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Speaker 4: Conditioning work. Let me finish the learner. I didn't interrupt

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Speaker 4: you you did at the start.

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Speaker 7: So immediately checked to see if that air conditioning is working.

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Speaker 7: I checked in with d A Line and they immediately

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Speaker 7: checked in with engineering at the hospital and the engineering

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Speaker 7: team at the hospital and d Life. So if you're

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Speaker 7: telling me that the public servants are lying, well that's

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Speaker 7: another thing.

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Speaker 1: So we'll go back to the Mars and say don't.

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Speaker 7: Don't they told me that the air conditioning was working.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm definitely keen to try and get one of those.

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Speaker 1: We'll try and you.

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Speaker 5: Happy to do that because the CLP is pretending it's

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Speaker 5: not happening. And if there has been a fault, you

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Speaker 5: admit it and you fix it.

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Speaker 1: Look, we're going to have to move quick because there's

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Speaker 1: so much to cover, Robin, you want a hospital.

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Speaker 2: I al Springs laying for a new Alice Springs Hospital

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Speaker 2: in Parliament since twenty fifteen, over a decade, and every

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Speaker 2: every government that I've put it to. It's starting from

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Speaker 2: the former CELP government when I became an independent in

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Speaker 2: twenty fifteen through to maybe now have have ignored me

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Speaker 2: pretty much. But hospital infrastructure across the Northern Territory is

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Speaker 2: in a sad and sorry state. We need new hospitals

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Speaker 2: from fright across the board. When we built the Palmerston Hospital,

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Speaker 2: it was the first hospital hospital we've built for forty

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Speaker 2: over forty years. So I'm not sure what this government

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Speaker 2: will do in this space given the lack of funding.

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Speaker 2: But if we're going to get a new hospital, in

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Speaker 2: the Northern Territory. It's going to be in Alice.

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Speaker 1: Robin called it for as shortgun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got in there first. Just remember that I

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Speaker 2: get first years.

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Speaker 1: It's get to argue against that one the treasure you built.

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Speaker 4: But really at the hospital, new.

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Speaker 1: Hospitals, Territorians deserve hospital infrastruction. Well having to talk about it,

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Speaker 1: but we know that we absolutely need that new infrastructure

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Speaker 1: and and you know, we hear it very often and

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Speaker 1: people expect that when they go to the hospital that

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Speaker 1: they're able to get, you know, the services that they need. Now, doctors, nurses,

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Speaker 1: our allied health stuff. They all do an incredible job

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Speaker 1: under what can be really difficult circumstances. We're going to

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Speaker 1: take a really quick break. You are listening to Mix

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Speaker 1: one O four nines three sixty. It is the week

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Speaker 1: that was. You're listening to mix MOEOW four ninees three six.

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Speaker 1: We're all in here having a quick chat between the

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Speaker 1: between the breaks, but in the studio with us this morning,

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Speaker 1: of course, Robin Lamley, Selena Yubo, Bill Yan and Kathleen Gaizola.

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Speaker 1: Now we have spoken a lot about the the theatrics,

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Speaker 1: I guess should say throughout Parliament this week and some

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Speaker 1: of the different goings on, But we also know that

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Speaker 1: there has been legislation that's been introduced. And one of

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Speaker 1: those pieces of legislation we spoke about earlier in the

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Speaker 1: week the Northern Territory government coming forward saying that they're

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Speaker 1: going to introduce legislation to amend the Sentencing Act of

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five to impose a life sentence with a

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Speaker 1: mandatory minimum non parole period of twenty five years imprisonment

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Speaker 1: for the murder of a current or former partner. The

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Speaker 1: Attorney General Murray clear boothby saying that the reform reflects

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Speaker 1: the scale of harm caused by mestic and family violence,

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Speaker 1: particularly for Aboriginal women. And she had said, you know

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Speaker 1: that there should not be a situation where somebody is

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Speaker 1: getting a light sentence when this kind of terrible, terrible

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Speaker 1: crime is occurring. Now, we had some questions throughout the week,

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Speaker 1: didn't we Kathleen about this legislation, because I guess what

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Speaker 1: we've seen very often is as pressure releases come through

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Speaker 1: when different incidents occur, sometimes people are not charged with murder.

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Speaker 1: They're charged with other charges, aren't they.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 8: That was the major thing that we were trying to

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Speaker 8: get the Attorney General on, like do you have to

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Speaker 8: be charged with murder of a domestic partner whatever the

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Speaker 8: wording is, to then be captured under this legislation, And

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Speaker 8: you'd expect that that's the case that's got to come

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Speaker 8: from the police and the DPP to recommend that charge.

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Speaker 8: So often, you know, a violent act causing death, aggravated

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Speaker 8: assault injuries coming from those incidents then potentially tragically can

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Speaker 8: lead to someone's death and that's how it comes to be.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, it's got to be based on the evidence.

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Speaker 8: I don't think the average punter on the street would

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Speaker 8: be against these laws because the scourge that we have

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Speaker 8: on this community. But you question how many are actually

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Speaker 8: going to be captured under this this legislation. And then

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Speaker 8: those who have also have family who have been charged

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Speaker 8: with murder, that's not going to impact them either as well,

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Speaker 8: which they might not.

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Speaker 1: Because there is already a murdatory sentence when it comes

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Speaker 1: to somebody being convicted of murder. So I just sort

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Speaker 1: of I did ask her whether it was a bit

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Speaker 1: of window dressing. I mean, is it belt?

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Speaker 4: No, it's certainly not.

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Speaker 7: Okay, this is a really good piece of legislation, particularly

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Speaker 7: in that DV space.

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Speaker 4: Now I know a lot about this from a former job.

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Speaker 7: So if you're convicted of murder, and to be convicted

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Speaker 7: of murder, you have to have to show intent.

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Speaker 4: That's why we see a lot of the charges.

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Speaker 7: It may end up as murder, but it might end

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Speaker 7: up being manslaugher or course, serious art, whatever it happens

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Speaker 7: to be. So the way that it works, if you

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Speaker 7: commit murder and this aggravation within that murder, you may

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Speaker 7: get more than twenty years. So I've seen defenders where yes,

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Speaker 7: they murdered someone, but there was aggravation during that murder,

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Speaker 7: so they may get twenty four, twenty seven, or up

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Speaker 7: to thirty years. But what this does is said, if

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Speaker 7: you murder and it's proven that you'll murder a partner

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Speaker 7: or previous partnerre your minimum mandatary sentence will now be

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Speaker 7: twenty five years. And that sends a strong message and

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Speaker 7: the community. Because we're serious about getting this DV stuff

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Speaker 7: under control. We're seen a reduction which is great of

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Speaker 7: a couple of percent over the past few months. We've

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Speaker 7: got a lot more work to do, but this is

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Speaker 7: one piece of that bigger picture.

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Speaker 4: So Yeah, the message is out there.

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Speaker 7: If you murder your partner or previous partner, intimate partner,

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Speaker 7: you're going to do twenty five years as a minimum,

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Speaker 7: and that's a given. So not twenty if there's no

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Speaker 7: aggravation as part of it, but twenty five.

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Speaker 2: I think it meets the community's expectation. But I question

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Speaker 2: whether it would impact on someone whose intention is to murder,

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Speaker 2: whether it actually would be a deterrent.

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Speaker 5: Katie, there's absolutely no doubt that the high levels of family,

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Speaker 5: domestic and sexual violence in the Northern Territory is horrific.

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Speaker 5: It's concerning. That's not a political issue, it's a community issue.

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Speaker 5: So there's two things that I think that the cop

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Speaker 5: government could do if they were truly serious about reducing

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Speaker 5: and eradicating DVS in the Northern Territory. One is to

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Speaker 5: funder the domestic viance sector properly, like they promised in

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Speaker 5: their election commitments one hundred thousand.

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Speaker 3: We've got the Treasurer here he could do that.

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Speaker 5: Two would be to make sure they're actually engaging talking

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Speaker 5: to those experts in the field day to day who

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Speaker 5: were dealing with everything on the collvese.

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Speaker 3: The DV sector themselves.

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Speaker 5: The DV sector was not consulted with this law and

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Speaker 5: one of the questions that we have just since it

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Speaker 5: was introduced this week, which we'll be asking and thankfully

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Speaker 5: this is a piece of legislation that will go to

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Speaker 5: the Scrutiny Committee of Parliament, so there'll be some very

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Speaker 5: robusts looking at this particular legislation. But the impact of

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Speaker 5: particularly women who experienced domestic violence, the worry that they

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Speaker 5: will be misidentified as a perpetrator under this law because

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Speaker 5: mandatory sentencing does not allow for a case by case

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Speaker 5: basis consideration. Absolutely there should be strong consequences for anything

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Speaker 5: causing death or harm in the Northern Territory. But I'll

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Speaker 5: give it example so people understand what I mean.

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Speaker 3: If there's a say me a husband and.

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Speaker 5: Wife, and I'm a victim of domestic violence from my husband,

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Speaker 5: then I fight back and then I kill my husband,

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Speaker 5: then I could be sentenced under mandatory sending for twenty

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Speaker 5: five years for defending myself if it is considered a

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Speaker 5: murder charge because of the situation I'm in. But what

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Speaker 5: ties the hands under this and we understand we'll do

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Speaker 5: a lot more work. We've only just seen it over

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Speaker 5: the last day and a half. But what ties the

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Speaker 5: court's hands on a decision is that if this is

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Speaker 5: legislated and mandated under mandatory sentencing, then my case could

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Speaker 5: not be considered individually under this legislation framework. We've got

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Speaker 5: a lot more work to do, Katie, but we'll do

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Speaker 5: that work in the next couple weeks before it's brought

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Speaker 5: for the Parliament.

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Speaker 7: I don't understand the premise of what you're saying, so

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Speaker 7: we don't have those answers. And you're right in some respects,

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Speaker 7: and I think we spoke about this is some of

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Speaker 7: the DV legislation changes we've seen over the last twelve

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Speaker 7: to eight months, and it comes down to the judge

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Speaker 7: and circumstances exactly what you're saying, because I've seen this before.

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Speaker 7: But even if it was murder, you would still be

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Speaker 7: twenty years. But this is where the judges get to

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Speaker 7: take some things into account.

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Speaker 4: If you're a DV, if.

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Speaker 3: It's mandatary, they don't no, no, but no, no, they

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Speaker 3: don't if it's mandatory.

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Speaker 7: But but it's managed now for twenty we're talking about

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Speaker 7: twenty five for DV. But what the judges have to

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Speaker 7: take into account in what you're talking about Selena's If

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Speaker 7: you're a victim of DV and you retaliate and kill someone,

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Speaker 7: there are mitigating circumstances. To be convicted of murder. You

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Speaker 7: have to show intent. That is the key part of

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Speaker 7: the way that the moder've.

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Speaker 3: Got laws in the country as well.

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Speaker 5: You know, like there's there's some really care is and

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Speaker 5: I think if you know, if the SEPIE wants to

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Speaker 5: show they're addressing the concerns of the community when it

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Speaker 5: comes to domestic violence to the Northern Territory, we support

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Speaker 5: that has to be done in a way that's going

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Speaker 5: to make the community safer, but particularly when we're talking

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Speaker 5: about laws that we're going to see a better outcome

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Speaker 5: or a more positive impact in reducing DV. That's what

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Speaker 5: we're focused on, and my labor team and I and

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Speaker 5: the DV sector have some very strong ways forward and

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Speaker 5: we urge the CLP please go.

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Speaker 2: With the DV sector in the Northern Territory. Though, is

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Speaker 2: that it's heavily labor aligned. I think they need to

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Speaker 2: reflect on their politicization of this issue and stop aligning

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Speaker 2: themselves with labor and make forge your relationship with the

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Speaker 2: current government. It works both ways. I think the government

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Speaker 2: needs to forge your relationship with there. Traditionally the DV

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Speaker 2: sector aligned with you.

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Speaker 5: And you know that when that shouldn't stop the stark

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Speaker 5: government engaging with the experts. Reality is particularly women, take

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Speaker 5: your political men and women and children who are experiencing relation.

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Speaker 3: I think that's a cop out.

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Speaker 1: We're fortunately going to have to take a very quick break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 1: It is the week that was. You are listening to

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Speaker 1: Mix one O four nine. It is the week that was.

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Speaker 1: And we're gonna have to wrap up just about. It's

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Speaker 1: been a very busy hour. Robin Lamley, the Speaker of

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territories Legislative Assembly, been great to have you

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Speaker 1: in the studio.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me Katie.

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Speaker 1: And hopefully next parliamentary sittings are a bit calmer. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see how we go. Hi, Robert Selena,

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Speaker 1: you bo, thank you so much, the Opposition leader as

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Speaker 1: always for your time.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Katie.

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Speaker 5: Really looking forward to getting back to Catherine now that

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Speaker 5: the river's going down to thankfully watching that a lot

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Speaker 5: this week. But big shout out to the mob and

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Speaker 5: Kay town. Looking forward to getting home and seeing my family.

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Speaker 1: Well, speaking of kay Town, obviously, Bill, we've been talking

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Speaker 1: build bonus throughout the week. We did have a listener

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Speaker 1: who's pretty concerned about not being able to access the

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Speaker 1: bill bonus. So we're going to pass those details onto

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Speaker 1: you if that's all.

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Speaker 7: No, And I said, I've got a letter from the

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Speaker 7: person I've been talking to Treasury about how Look, it's

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Speaker 7: a really unique situation about how we can work with

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Speaker 7: them to see if we can get this cross line.

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Speaker 4: But looking forward to getting home this afternoon, Katie.

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Speaker 7: Not much rained down our way, Robin, but hopefully we

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Speaker 7: may get some of the stuff from up here coming.

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Speaker 7: I hope, so a little bit of greenery down our

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Speaker 7: way would be absolutely lovely.

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Speaker 1: Wait and see how you go. Wonderful to have you all,

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Speaker 1: Kathleen Cazolo. You've got to stick around, You've got to

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Speaker 1: do the news after the Thank you all so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us. You are listening to Mix one O

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Speaker 1: four point nine three point sixty. That was the week

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Speaker 1: that was