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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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Speaker 1: hottest influenza and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Nicky Wes

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Speaker 1: Scott's refreshing pregnancy reveal, Kayla Edzinas's surprising business empire, and

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Speaker 1: the wild Ones Poke fun at the Jackie Alexander Gabby

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Speaker 1: Sullivan feud. But first, I'm coming to you with an

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Speaker 1: update on the biting pandemic at Molly May's daughter's daycare.

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Speaker 1: So last month, we discussed how Mollie May consulted chat

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Speaker 1: GPT for parenting advice after she got a call from

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Speaker 1: Bambie's daycare saying she'd bitten another child. At the time,

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Speaker 1: Molly was torn about whether to take Bambee for their

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Speaker 1: planned ice cream date. Now, in Molly's recent YouTube, she

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Speaker 1: provided an update on the situation, sharing a clip of

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Speaker 1: Bambee listing people she wanted to bite. Let's take it.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I got to bite, sema, oh no, na, I

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Speaker 2: gotta buy.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: No. We don't use our mouth to bite, do we?

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Speaker 2: What do we use our mouth for? Oh?

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Speaker 1: For food, for eating?

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Speaker 3: We bite our food.

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Speaker 2: Don't buy anyone, Okay, bye e no bye no, no,

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I'm laughing at that.

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Speaker 2: We bite croissants, Yeah, we buy pasta, No, we bite pa.

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Speaker 1: Hats off to Molly. I think this was great parenting

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Speaker 1: from her because she really tried hard to discourage the behavior.

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Speaker 1: At one point she nearly lost it. I also loved

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Speaker 1: her pronunciation of coroissants. We buy coroissants. I wonder how

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Speaker 1: the parents of Emily and Dora are feeling that Molly's flog.

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Speaker 1: Are they like contemplating ripping the kids out of the daycare?

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Speaker 1: And well, this like Emily and Dra's payday, Like Molly

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Speaker 1: May's kid has bitten us, we are gonna sue. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's on record that she was planning. I think the

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Speaker 1: comment section was almost as funny as the clip of Bamby.

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Speaker 1: So someone wrote underneath her listing the victims is sending

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Speaker 1: me and that comment got over two hundred and thirty

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Speaker 1: five thousand likes. Someone else said yeah, she defo shouldn't

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Speaker 1: have got the ice cream, and other people were joking

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Speaker 1: that Bamby's grandfather, John Fury, already had her in training,

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Speaker 1: so he of course is Tommy's boxing trainer. It is

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Speaker 1: crazy how quickly these snippets from Molly's youtubes go up

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Speaker 1: on TikTok and suddenly gain like hundreds of thousands of likes.

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Speaker 1: There was one I saw the other day and it

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Speaker 1: was Molly outside of Tesco. So she'd arrived with Bamby

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Speaker 1: and the Tesco wasn't opened and it was her people watching.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, that.

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Speaker 2: Was the saddest thing I've ever seen. That was the

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Speaker 2: saddest thing I've ever seen. He's not even that old,

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Speaker 2: but I've just seen an elderly man go up to

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Speaker 2: the door Tesco and realize it it's closed, and he

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Speaker 2: literally just did this motion watching him walk away with

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Speaker 2: his head down. Oh my gosh, what I know the feeling.

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Speaker 2: But oh there's another one walking up now doors close

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Speaker 2: looking in. Oh this is pure heartbreak.

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Speaker 1: I could have watched her commentating that for hours like

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Speaker 1: it was hilarious. Like the thought of Molly May watching

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Speaker 1: these people. I wonder if she gets annoyed that people

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Speaker 1: make these edits of her YouTube video and then gain

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Speaker 1: all of the likes. I wonder if it will get

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Speaker 1: to a point where an influencers manager will cut up

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Speaker 1: the clips that they know will go viral. In saying

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Speaker 1: that though, I think the clips go viral because people

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Speaker 1: just want to have a bit about what the influencer

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Speaker 1: has done. So maybe they don't want that attention. It's

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Speaker 1: free promotion. It's like they're doing the advertising for her.

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Speaker 1: But Tiktoks almost turned into title Life, where the clip

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Speaker 1: and often the influencer who's in the clip will see it.

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Speaker 5: Not putting too much pressure on it and you know,

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Speaker 5: being completely vulnerable and honest at the fact that yeah, fuck,

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Speaker 5: I am freaking out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I probably don't know what I'm doing.

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Speaker 5: I've dodged every nappy change in my life and I'm

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Speaker 5: We've got three nieces and nephews.

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Speaker 1: Nicki Wescott has opened up about her pregnancy news. The

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Speaker 1: fashion label founder admitted on her podcast this week that

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Speaker 1: she's been left freaking out after falling pregnant by surprise.

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Speaker 1: I think this has to be one of the most

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Speaker 1: refreshing influence of pregnancy announcements stories I've listened to. Since

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Speaker 1: Nicki announced last week that she and her husband Oli

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Speaker 1: Frost were pregnant with their first child, I have been

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Speaker 1: desperate to know more, particularly because Nicki is a bit

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Speaker 1: half of the Wild Ones with her best friend Lucy Jackson.

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Speaker 1: They've even named their podcast Live to a Party Girl.

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Speaker 1: So when I saw the news, I was like, Wow,

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Speaker 1: that is going to be a big lifestyle change. So

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Speaker 1: explain how she told her husband, Ollie and her best

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Speaker 1: even imagined the curated surprise video that would soon be

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Speaker 1: posted on social media. But that's not what we got. Instead,

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Speaker 1: it was this role reversal, and Nicki was the one

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Speaker 1: that was taken by surprise. Yeah. So Nicki was actually

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Speaker 1: at the doctor for a papsmere and she mentioned to

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Speaker 1: but she said it wasn't anything new because she'd been

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Speaker 1: And I think normally when you hear someone has gone

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Speaker 1: off the pill, you think they must have been trying

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Speaker 1: for a baby. But Nicki explained that her decision to

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Speaker 1: get her period back after going off the pill. So

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Speaker 1: Nicki was worried that the same thing might happen to

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Speaker 1: So she decided after a wedding she'd give her body

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Speaker 1: it for a long time. But there's so much talk

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Speaker 1: and I suppose a lot of people go, oh, once

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Speaker 1: not be planned, but I'm not going to freak out

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Speaker 1: So after the papsme, Nicki said that she spoke to

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Speaker 1: her doctor about wanting to freeze her eggs at the

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Speaker 1: end of the year, once her cycle had settled down.

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Speaker 1: So the doctor said, well, we may as well run

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Speaker 1: do a pregnancy test. Let's listen to Nicki retell the

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Speaker 1: moment she found out she was pregnant, she takes it.

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Speaker 5: She goes thank you, and she's like waiting in the room,

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Speaker 5: and I just looked at her and I was like,

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Speaker 5: can even imagine just like the blood just no joke,

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Speaker 5: what She's like, Yep, you're pregnant.

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Speaker 1: Listening to that, I felt the blood rush from my

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Speaker 1: really brave for her to share all of this, because

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of pressure on women to be grateful

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Speaker 1: I'd been feeling nauseous and I was like, I've got

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Speaker 1: because one, it actually is so on brand for Nicki

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Speaker 1: she seemed really withdrawn, and Lucy was worried that maybe

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Speaker 1: And Lucy was like what, And then when she told

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Speaker 1: thought your dog had died. I mean, you can deal.

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Speaker 1: Well. Funnily enough, it turns out that Lucy had a

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Speaker 1: premonition about Nicky's pregnancy. So they did an episode of

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Speaker 1: based on the cards that Nicki pulled out, she guessed

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Speaker 1: Nicki was pregnant, and this was before Nicki even knew

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Speaker 1: that she was pregnant. How about how Lucy said she

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Speaker 1: she got this urge to confront Nikki about being pregnant,

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Speaker 1: I'm not because she thought she wasn't pregnant. Do you

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Speaker 1: think Lucy and Nicki were nervous about putting this episode

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Speaker 1: difficult topic because, as you said, you have to be

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Speaker 1: hearing women celebrate their pregnancies. Well, that's why it resonated

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Speaker 1: and you know, you look at them and you're like, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: they don't really need the extra followers, but they do

433
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Speaker 1: need the engagement because they're now competing with these algorithms,

434
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Speaker 1: and in order to get your content viewed, you have

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Speaker 1: to have a lot of comments on videos, you have

436
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Speaker 1: to have a lot of likes, a lot of send ons.

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Speaker 1: And you can see it. Jackie Alexander made that TikTok

438
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Speaker 1: where she threw shade at Gabby Sullivan that got everyone talking.

439
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 1: Gabby Sullivan's gone back and done her own one, and

440
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,639
Speaker 1: then every video that Jackie has subsequently shared, people like,

441
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,679
Speaker 1: give us the tea. We want to know more. You know,

442
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 1: you stoke the flames and you build that interest in

443
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Speaker 1: what's going on in your life. When I was watching

444
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Speaker 1: Lucy's video, I was thinking to myself, is she going

445
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Speaker 1: to address the elephant in the room because she called

446
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Speaker 1: out her ex boyfriend publicly on TikTok for cheating on her. Well,

447
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 1: it was kind of two elephants in the room because

448
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Speaker 1: she also had a friendship fallout with fellow influencer Lily Brown. Yes,

449
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Speaker 1: they weren't best friends, but they were in you know,

450
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Speaker 1: a friendship circle together and I'm glad hats off to her.

451
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Speaker 1: She explained in terms of the ex that she's an

452
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Speaker 1: oversharer and in that situation, she decided that she was

453
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Speaker 1: going to use her as content because she knew that

454
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Speaker 1: they were never getting back together. And she also revealed

455
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Speaker 1: that it ended up working very well as a content

456
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Speaker 1: piece because her breakup episode is still her and Nikki's

457
00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,360
Speaker 1: highest downloaded episode by a mile. She said in terms

458
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Speaker 1: of her friendship break down with the Lie Brown, this

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Speaker 1: is what she said.

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Speaker 3: I've had a falling out with a friend online. You know,

461
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Speaker 3: Nicky and I had a falling out with Lil a

462
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Speaker 3: few years ago, and like Nick and I made a

463
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Speaker 3: very very strong decision that we weren't going to speak

464
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Speaker 3: about that, and if we were, it was going to

465
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Speaker 3: be only very matter of fact and just pretty much

466
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Speaker 3: we were never going to go on and say nasty

467
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Speaker 3: things about our old friends. And thank gosh, because now

468
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 3: years down the truck, it's less left space for us

469
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Speaker 3: to you know, reconcile and still be really friendly. And

470
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Speaker 3: now it's so nice because we get to be at

471
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Speaker 3: the same places and still you know, love seeing her

472
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Speaker 3: happy days.

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Speaker 1: It's not like burnt.

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Speaker 3: Bridges, burnt bridges, burnt bridges, burnt bridges. But I don't know,

475
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Speaker 3: I don't know. It is a weird time, guys. It's

476
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Speaker 3: very black mirror sometimes. Like I think the world of

477
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 3: social media and content creation can kind of be a

478
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 3: little bit like reality TV. How there's like producers who

479
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Speaker 3: go in and like, I don't think there's fake drama,

480
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Speaker 3: Like I don't think there's anything that is an actually

481
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Speaker 3: factual drama. But I think there's a lot of things

482
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 3: that then become bigger dramas because it gains views and

483
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 3: traction and follows and blah blah, blahlah.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting that they're putting this content out there now

485
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Speaker 1: because I thought that they were both friends with Jackie

486
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Speaker 1: and Gabby. Yeah, I was wondering how deep their friendship

487
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Speaker 1: was because I've seen it bandied around. Oh, you know,

488
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 1: they're friends. I did some research and I know that

489
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Speaker 1: Jackie appeared on an episode of the Happy Hour podcast

490
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Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty, and I listened to a little

491
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Speaker 1: bit of it, and it seemed like they were kind

492
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Speaker 1: of friends in the sense of they've been to events together,

493
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Speaker 1: they know of each other, they follow each other. But

494
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's that deep. Let's get into our

495
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Speaker 1: Friday debrief and Amy. We are in late September, which

496
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Speaker 1: means it's officially time to start celebrating Christmas. Conn On's

497
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: Christmas campaign has been out for a couple of weeks now.

498
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Speaker 1: I can't believe we didn't even talk about it. Martha

499
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: Califatitas's family are the face of it this year, Yeah,

500
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 1: because last year was Indy Clinton and her family. I

501
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 1: actually liked Indie's range better, like we bought them, we

502
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 1: rushed out. I'm a big fan of them this year.

503
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: I just don't think you can start celebrating Christmas until

504
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: Halloween's over, and I've been trying to encourage you and

505
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: Sophie to go and get your Halloween costumes organized because

506
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Speaker 1: I want to have a small party here. Look, I'm

507
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: not going to put my tree up until November, but

508
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: I am going to get excited about it, and I've

509
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 1: already started planning Jack's December first box. I thought you

510
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,959
Speaker 1: were the biggest saddoh last year making this box, and

511
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 1: you're part of some Facebook group with all these mums

512
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: talking about Christmas as a bad Yeah, I did join it,

513
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: but now I'm totally into it. I'm trying to think

514
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: what am I going to put in Harry's book. It's

515
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: so much fun and something arrived for the box that

516
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: I was so excited about. So our parents always read

517
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: us this particular Night before Christmas book and it's so cute.

518
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: It's like a lift the flat book and at the

519
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: end it has a pop up of Santa in his

520
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: sleigh with all of the reindeers. And I had to

521
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: search far and wide online for this. Someone was selling

522
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Speaker 1: the book for five hundred dollars and I was like,

523
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Speaker 1: I am not paying five hundred dollars. I then found

524
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Speaker 1: it on eBay for like seven US dollars. Anyway, after

525
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: all the conversions and postage, it cost me like thirty

526
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Speaker 1: eight dollars. It took four weeks to get here. When

527
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: it arrived, I was like, oh my god, I'm so excited,

528
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: but I was nervous because it said like in good condition.

529
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: I mean, this book is thirty years old. And I

530
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: was slipping through the pages and I was so smug.

531
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, the lift the flaps

532
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: are perfect mint condition. I got to the last page

533
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: and opened it. No pop up. It's just been completely rich.

534
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: You sent me this snapchatow it was just like two

535
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: empty white pages, Like this is arguably the best part

536
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,239
Speaker 1: of the book. This is the whole story line is

537
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 1: building up to this pop up of Santa's sleigh, and

538
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: it's just gone. I would have complained, have you messaged

539
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 1: the person on eBay? No, I haven't yet, But I

540
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 1: thought maybe some outspoken listeners could help me because I'm like,

541
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 1: I'm just going to add my own pop up at

542
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 1: the end page. Shit, we need to take a photo

543
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: and put it on Instagram. What the actual pop up

544
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: should look like, because this is the most disappointing thing.

545
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Speaker 5: Ever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, talking about Christmas books, this is a recommendation for

547
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: parents as well as big kids at heart because before

548
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: I had Harry, I actually brought a book from the

549
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: comedians behind Auntie Donna. So they've got a book called

550
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: Always Room for Christmas Pull and it was after that

551
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 1: viral video they did of them eating Christmas pudding and vomiting.

552
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: It is the best book. I find myself reading it

553
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: every night. To Harry, I don't have it. Oh, it's

554
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: so beautifully illustrated. I have a Christmas pullet long maybe

555
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: a little bit of pud. Then I'm coming to you

556
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: with a recommendation this Friday, and it is to watch

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Speaker 1: Sophie Jane Miller's Hendo Retreat vlog. True, this is the

558
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: craziest thing. So she is a Brisbane influencer and Amy,

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00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: I think Sophie, along with her friends Rachel and Georgia,

560
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: are your number one influencers to follow up. You love

561
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 1: their vlogs. They're my relaxing people to watch your comfort YouTube.

562
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: For YouTube, that's a great term. They definitely are and

563
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: I enjoyed every minute of this twenty seven minute log.

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Speaker 1: So Sophie obviously took viewers along for her Hen's party

565
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Speaker 1: and her friends went above and beyond so pulled their fingers. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they were away for like two nights at this absolutely

567
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: incredible accommodation. There was like a pul, a sauna, a gym,

568
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: and the theme was a brand event. Well it was

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Speaker 1: called Tripping with SOF and Georgia Richards and her dad

570
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: made all of the merch, the t shirts. They even

571
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: branded up water bottles. I loved the logo. It was

572
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: really cool. Well, Sophie's friend Rachel, she was a real

573
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: MVP on this trip because her and Sophie's manager, Laying,

574
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 1: they did all the groundwork, putting most of the stuff together,

575
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: like it was absolutely incredible. They even had cameras that

576
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: had specific decals on them that had Tripping with SOF,

577
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: Like they had to peel little or they had to

578
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: individually cut out all these stickers. Thank god they had

579
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: one of those cricket machines. Not to mention the fact

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00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: that they obviously set up a lot of brand deals

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00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 1: because everyone on the trip got new Lulu LeMans and

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00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: Sophie's recently been working with the brand, so it's pretty

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00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: clever because the whole thing really was like an influencer event.

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00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: They had yoga in the morning, they had all these

585
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,239
Speaker 1: different events on at the Hens do that required them

586
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 1: to be wearing different clothing And I wonder if we're

587
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: going to see more of this where Browns just piggyback

588
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: on the back of people's Hens parties. It did make

589
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: it feel a lot more organic. I mean, it'd be

590
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: interesting to know how they actually use the partnership money,

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00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: like does Sophie get paid it or did they put

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Speaker 1: the money towards the trip. I think it was gifted stuff.

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00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: I think it was all gifted. My favorite part of

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00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: the vlog though, was when Sophie gave viewers a bit

595
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: of a reality check and basically she got a bit

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00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: of ibs at the end of the of the night.

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Speaker 1: And I like that she shared that because it kind

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00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: of made it a bit more real because everything was

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00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: so like glamorous, and it made me feel nostalgic watching

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00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: it back, because my Hen's party was nearly three years ago. Now,

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00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: if you can believe, that just made me wish I'd

602
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: gone away. That's so and I were both saying, Oh,

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00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: we wish we'd gone away for our Hens rather than

604
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: just doing a one night thing. Well, I went away

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00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: from mine and it was really good, And I think

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Speaker 1: that's why you guys were like, oh, I feel like

607
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: we're asking too much of people, but everyone wants an

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Speaker 1: excuse to go on a girl's trip. Well, after seeing

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00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: this vlog, I was like, wow, we really weren't asking

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Speaker 1: that much of our friends to come along, no for

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Speaker 1: one night somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: All I just wanted to know was like, how much

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Speaker 1: should everyone chip in? Because that house was incredible? Well,

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00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: that could have been sponsored to lang. If you are

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00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: listening to the podcast, this is the girl's manager, let

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00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: us know we're very nosy. Well, also, I just wonder

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Speaker 1: how it works because, as we said, Sophie Jane Miller

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Speaker 1: already has a long standing partnership with Lulu Lemon, So

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Speaker 1: her manager and her friends going oh, can you give

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Speaker 1: us some free aligned tights to wear on the trip,

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Speaker 1: and then Sophie's going to feature them in her vog.

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Speaker 1: Does Sophie then be like, well, usually i'd get a

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Speaker 1: bit of a kickback for that, or she just happy

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Speaker 1: to go like, I just wonder how that all works. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I think because it's a long standing partnership, it works.

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Speaker 1: In everyone's favor. Yeah, well that is where we're going

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Speaker 1: to leave things today. If you do want to hear

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Speaker 1: har Kati Milan is fed up with the influencer space.

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Speaker 1: all integrated into your feeds, are very easy to listen to.

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Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on the traditional land of the

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Speaker 1: Ghana people of the Adelaide planes. We pay respect to

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Speaker 1: elders past and present,