Speaker 1: Hello there, Peter Halley, he host of You Ain't Seen
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Speaker 1: replayed episode. We're going to warm into the sixth series
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Speaker 1: of Mine Nathan Velvo, whose show Hit Machine is well
Speaker 1: a hit. Enjoy today's episode.
Speaker 2: I will have my vengers this life for the next.
Speaker 1: They take. Life is like a box of chocolates a rifle.
Speaker 3: Now, You Ain't Seen Nothing.
Speaker 1: Nath Velvo is a bullet train of a comedian, fast,
Speaker 1: frenetic and laugh out laud funny. Nath has an acid
Speaker 1: tongue and is completely contemporary. Despite this, he's also warm
Speaker 1: and tipsy's hat to nostalgia. He never forgets the suburbs
Speaker 1: in which he grew up, suburbs in which I also
Speaker 1: happened to grow up in. Nathan and I actually went
Speaker 1: to the same school, Parade College in bunder All beat
Speaker 1: about a decade or so apart. You're Angery, You're Angry.
Speaker 1: Nathan was also nominated for the Barrier Award, the prestigious
Speaker 1: Barrier Award at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, for a show which was one of
Speaker 1: my favorite shows I've seen in recent years of anyone's.
Speaker 1: Nath has also started a new podcast called Thumbs Up
Speaker 1: dumb Down, based on a popular section of his local newspaper,
Speaker 1: which was my old local newspaper, The Diamond Valley Leader
Speaker 1: or the Diamond Belly News. It's an actually cracker. I
Speaker 1: guessed on it recently with Susie Yusuf, who was also
Speaker 1: you may have heard on this very podcast. He should
Speaker 1: check it out Thumbs Up, thumbs Down. In the meantime,
Speaker 1: Nath is right here.
Speaker 3: Get a I Am Comedian, extraordinary Nath Valvo and my
Speaker 3: favorite three movies which was very hard to pick by
Speaker 3: the way, Pete Hallier, but I've settled on The Exorcist, excellent,
Speaker 3: Jurassic Park, Life, Time's Aware a Muriel's wedding.
Speaker 2: This is the nineties. You listen to the baby.
Speaker 3: Animals and up until last night, a movie I had
Speaker 3: never seen which is actually quite shocking to me is Beetlejuice.
Speaker 1: Yes, in the words of director Tim Burton, Beetlejuice is
Speaker 1: scary but not a horror, funny but not a comedy.
Speaker 1: Beetle Juice exists on its own and with a nine
Speaker 1: to German expressionism. Salvadoid Dally, Doctor Susan and Love of
Speaker 1: Stop Animation nineteen eighty eight, Beetlejuice is both familiar and alien.
Speaker 1: As the sweet and in love Maitland's Alec Bordwin and
Speaker 1: Geena Davis have died suddenly in a car accident and
Speaker 1: find themselves in a bizarre limbo. Now needing to scare
Speaker 1: their new tenants, the postmodern design loving Deet's family Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Jones and Catherine O'Hara, with their gothic daughter Lydia, played
Speaker 1: beautifully by one writer, they need a certain creature named
Speaker 1: Beetlejuice to help. In Beetlejuice, it's the humans who haunt
Speaker 1: the ghosts, making this nineteen eighty eight classic a whole
Speaker 1: lot of fun. Nate Valvo Welcome.
Speaker 3: Pete, Hellia, thank you so much for you giving me
Speaker 3: homework that involved watching a movie.
Speaker 1: I'm not so you've been sarcastic. No, most podcasts you
Speaker 1: just rock up and the microphones are turned on and
Speaker 1: your chat. But I do appreciate the time it takes
Speaker 1: to watch a film.
Speaker 3: As I text you about it when we were locking
Speaker 3: this in, I said, I'll try and find the time
Speaker 3: in my schedule of watching movies to watch a movie
Speaker 3: for you.
Speaker 1: But then you're missing out on a little of the
Speaker 1: TV that you could be watching.
Speaker 3: I'll find the time. Pete.
Speaker 1: Is Beetlejuice something that's weighed on you that you hadn't
Speaker 1: seen it? I?
Speaker 3: Yes, for so many reasons. One it is it's one
Speaker 3: of those movies that the people that do love it
Speaker 3: really love it. And if you grew up in a
Speaker 3: Beetlejuice household, you really did like on the VHS you
Speaker 3: smashed it a lot. I have a lot of memories
Speaker 3: of friends, cousins just loving this movie. And I don't
Speaker 3: know why the Valvo household never had Beetlejuice, never had
Speaker 3: the tape, never watched it.
Speaker 1: Well, the Holly household was there saying this. I had
Speaker 1: never seen the film till last night, right, So I
Speaker 1: we'll get into what we thought of it soon before
Speaker 1: we What I like to do is put in context
Speaker 1: your your movie loves. Yes, that's why I get you
Speaker 1: to name your your favorite three films. I know it's tough,
Speaker 1: so hard, and there's always in some apologies and feel
Speaker 1: free to throw a few in. But let's let's talk
Speaker 1: The Exorcist.
Speaker 3: Yes, scary, it's absolutely shit scary.
Speaker 1: When did you watch it quite young? Do you know
Speaker 1: what my.
Speaker 3: Parents were doing there? There's two horror movies that have
Speaker 3: really stayed with me for my entire life, The Exorcist
Speaker 3: and It the original. Yes, yeah, that that scarred a
Speaker 3: whole generation of most of it. I still can't look
Speaker 3: at a drain comfortably.
Speaker 1: Clowns.
Speaker 3: Clowns, that's a fine.
Speaker 1: Interesting, clowns are fine, But it's the drain.
Speaker 3: It's the drains. Before we get into the Exoris. I
Speaker 3: have to do it because I was tossing and turning
Speaker 3: in my bed last night. Peter Hawley, are about this
Speaker 3: bloody top three?
Speaker 1: I'd have to quickly what did these are?
Speaker 3: The apologies? If you made one of these films, I
Speaker 3: apologize you weren't in my final top three. Psycho A
Speaker 3: League of their Own Death becomes her matrix, Home Alone,
Speaker 3: Wizard of Oz, Sixth Sense, Godfather, Rocky Horror, Silence of
Speaker 3: the Lamps.
Speaker 1: That's all we have time for. What that becomes her
Speaker 1: is like, this has got connection, I guess to Beetle Juice,
Speaker 1: doesn't it Like.
Speaker 3: It's surreal, it's over the top. It's weird, bad effects
Speaker 3: that you don't know were done bad on purpose. Yeah
Speaker 3: it's yeah, it's stupid and over the top. But yeah,
Speaker 3: but the if you want to kick off right there
Speaker 3: with the links. The reason it's weird for me that
Speaker 3: I haven't seen Beetlejuice is Tim Burton has made two
Speaker 3: movies that I absolutely love. One he made my favorite Batman,
Speaker 3: Batman Begins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Batman begins before? But so Batman begins was
Speaker 1: Nolan wasn't it? Sorry?
Speaker 3: So no, no, no, Batman returns. Sorry everyone, Sorry movie nerds.
Speaker 3: Shamey on Twitter, your losers.
Speaker 1: Weirdly our phones are going off only.
Speaker 3: Get canceled on Batman forums.
Speaker 1: You your lesson.
Speaker 3: So Batman Begins is my favorite Batman. That's the one
Speaker 3: with Penguin and Catwoman and to veto Michelle Faisfer and
Speaker 3: it's just the best. It's pop, it's stupid, it's comical,
Speaker 3: it's it.
Speaker 1: Still kind of takes the darkness of Batman that he
Speaker 1: made in ninety and then I think Batman Returns is
Speaker 1: ninety two. But it's a bit it's a bit more fun.
Speaker 3: It's just fun. It's like you're on a you're about
Speaker 3: to go on a ride. And that's why, like Jurassic
Speaker 3: Parks is in the top three, because I'm not a
Speaker 3: movie snob. Much like the way I go my comedy.
Speaker 3: I don't want to think all the time. Yeah, sometimes
Speaker 3: I'm just there to have a really nice time and
Speaker 3: just to escape. Yeh, so I do love a pop movie.
Speaker 3: Sign me up to a mindless action.
Speaker 1: Do you see Jurassic Park in cinemas when?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I did. But The Exorcist, Sorry, I've
Speaker 3: gone very far away. That's sorry, Pete is bad. I'm
Speaker 3: just so excited to be around people.
Speaker 1: We should say this is we're recording this literally hours
Speaker 1: before Victoria the Stately Leaving goes into another lockdown a
Speaker 1: second month. We have a six weeks so where this
Speaker 1: is the last thing. Yeah, yeah, I was very excited
Speaker 1: to get a coffee before I came in here, and
Speaker 1: who knows what's ahead of us.
Speaker 3: I've been running up and down the street just licking
Speaker 3: strangers on the face. I'm going out with a bang.
Speaker 3: So the exercise The Exorcist to this day, every time
Speaker 3: I watch it, I am genuinely terrified, Like I have
Speaker 3: never gotten used to that movie, and you can't say
Speaker 3: that about many movies made. Every single time I watch it,
Speaker 3: it is a kick in the guard.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It is so scary and so good, yeah, and so dark,
Speaker 3: and even just the opening, like twenty minutes or so,
Speaker 3: where there's something wrong with her, the girl, and it's
Speaker 3: just these really long, engated scenes of her in the
Speaker 3: hospital having or the tests done, she's going to the machines,
Speaker 3: and how loud it all is, and how it's just
Speaker 3: really grim.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love it. Yeah, But no, because I
Speaker 1: have a weird relationship with horror films, so I'm really
Speaker 1: reluctant to go see them. I'm always, I'm always, I'm
Speaker 1: always trying to talk myself out of seeing them. But
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like it's like a ride where
Speaker 1: you go and you are a little bit nervous, then
Speaker 1: you're petrified, and then you feel really good about seeing
Speaker 1: it and having survived it might not be it. I
Speaker 1: saw The Exos when I was like late teens, and
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. You know, it freaks me out enough,
Speaker 1: but I also liked it a nightmare and NLM Street
Speaker 1: was the one that I remember as a kid, that
Speaker 1: being that's that was proper scary.
Speaker 3: And you can't escape that because it gets you in
Speaker 3: your in your dreams in that.
Speaker 1: Movie he visits me still.
Speaker 3: Still, the reason you're reluctant about horror is bad horror sucks,
Speaker 3: and there is so much horror done. Bad is so shit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: at least with comedy, even if you don't absolutely love it,
Speaker 3: there's a little charm. It's it's watchable.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But bad horror is so bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And in the eighties there was a lot of
Speaker 1: bad horror.
Speaker 3: Still, the last few years horror has gotten a lot better. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's becoming really good again.
Speaker 1: Well, the well where there's something like The Invisible Man,
Speaker 1: which is Leewan Nel's did you see that?
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 1: I love I loved it. Now, I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: that's horror. It feels like more suspense thriller thriller. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Have you seen Hereditary?
Speaker 1: No, that's again it's one that I go, I know,
Speaker 1: I should watch it.
Speaker 3: That's a ten out of ten horror film that is
Speaker 3: actually amazing.
Speaker 1: The Quiet Place loved it. Yeah, I love that Quiet Place.
Speaker 3: Hereditary get Out obviously is really good.
Speaker 1: It's amazing.
Speaker 3: Let the right one in. He's a really good way.
Speaker 1: I've seen that sort of Norwegian version.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so now someone has SBS on demand.
Speaker 1: It's worth the spens fancy pants with the subtitles over
Speaker 1: ere version.
Speaker 3: And I also what I also love about The Exorcist most.
Speaker 1: Of the American version, the American version there is the.
Speaker 3: TV series I haven't watched it yet, is that you
Speaker 3: never actually technically see the bad gown. This is going
Speaker 3: to get very technical here with horror movie nerds. If
Speaker 3: I watch a horror movie or a monster movie, the
Speaker 3: second you see it, whoever that is, I lose interest. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and so all my favorite kind of horror thriller movies
Speaker 3: you never really see the real spooky person. Like the
Speaker 3: Blair Witch Project was awesome. That scared pants off me
Speaker 3: when I was a teenager. So in the Exorcist, she's possessed,
Speaker 3: so you see her a lot, but you actually never
Speaker 3: see the actual devil. And to me that fair scary.
Speaker 1: But I think if you if you watch any of
Speaker 1: those really great films, it's it's the case and you
Speaker 1: only realize it. I think when you maybe you are
Speaker 1: really watching the film, like you know you're scared when
Speaker 1: you're younger, or if you're not thinking about it, you
Speaker 1: just know you're scared, and that's the feeling you have.
Speaker 1: So that's that's what you go with. But when you
Speaker 1: kind of maybe analyze it or really go back and
Speaker 1: watch it again, Like I mean, Jaws is a classic
Speaker 1: example that the shark, you know what it appears, Beetlejuice
Speaker 1: is only in we'll get to that zoom, but that
Speaker 1: he's only in seventeen minutes of the film. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he doesn't appear for the first twenty five minutes. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's great. Jurassic Park.
Speaker 3: To a Jurassic Punk. How good is Jurassic Park?
Speaker 1: It is great. I never saw it in the cinema Weirdly,
Speaker 1: some you know, the more doing this podcast, the more
Speaker 1: I just kind of I don't know why I haven't
Speaker 1: seen certain films, and I do I think have some
Speaker 1: reason prejudice against films that I go, oh, it's to
Speaker 1: being popular, or even though I'm a massive Star Wars fan,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense. But for some reason I did
Speaker 1: not click with the Jurassic Park phenomenon when it was
Speaker 1: in cinemas.
Speaker 3: I don't love the sequels, so we can leave them
Speaker 3: where they are. But Jurassic Park as a movie is
Speaker 3: just you just can't beat it. It's just old school,
Speaker 3: like puppetry. It's like hardly any c GI. That's also
Speaker 3: why I love about Beetlejuice. Is that dinosaurs real? That
Speaker 3: t Rex scene, it's a real d Rex. Yes it's
Speaker 3: a motor But I just love Jurassic Park. It's just
Speaker 3: one of those. If it's on, I'll watch it to
Speaker 3: the end every time. It's so so quotable.
Speaker 1: I think when it came out, I was really into
Speaker 1: kind of big historical dramas. To dance with wolves your
Speaker 1: Brave Hearts.
Speaker 3: There's dinosaurs in Jurassic Park, Peter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's dinosaurs in Brave Heart.
Speaker 3: There's dinosaurs. They did exist, unless you're some weird flat Earth.
Speaker 1: The most historical drama.
Speaker 3: It's a period piece. Jurassic Park is a period piece.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned a sequels, which are you referring to
Speaker 1: the sequels that came out years after all of them?
Speaker 1: The recent reboots, both all of them, all four of
Speaker 1: them kind of suck because I saw the recent ones
Speaker 1: with my kids because they were at the right age
Speaker 1: and they I quite enjoyed them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fun asn't there fun?
Speaker 1: But they're just adding in the thing besides.
Speaker 3: Well, again like Jurassic Pike, again, like Beetlejuice. It takes
Speaker 3: so long for us to see the first dinosaur in
Speaker 3: Jurassic Park, so long, easily over a half an hour
Speaker 3: before they even go to the island, and even when
Speaker 3: they get to the island, it's still so much more
Speaker 3: has to happen. It's even a scene where they sit
Speaker 3: at a table dinner with a lawyer talking about you know,
Speaker 3: public liability insurance. But you watch it even as a kid,
Speaker 3: because you know the promise of dinosaurs is dangled in
Speaker 3: front of you from the very beginning. So you wait
Speaker 3: and you wait and you wait, and then that first
Speaker 3: opening shot where you do see the dinosaurs where they're
Speaker 3: like walking across the pond on the big oval.
Speaker 1: The oval, the hills, the range.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he like takes his sunglasses off that iconic
Speaker 3: shot to look at them. It's like, what a payoff
Speaker 3: makes that whole first chunk worth it.
Speaker 1: It is a really good point. I mean, we talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, holding off the monster, but the master filmmakers
Speaker 1: know that the audience knows that there's going to be
Speaker 1: dinosaurs in this film. They're going with some certain note.
Speaker 3: I saw the poster.
Speaker 1: Imagine imagine if we learned that there was no dinosaurs
Speaker 1: in the original Jurassic part and it didn't. It didn't
Speaker 1: test screen well and all the comments were listen, we
Speaker 1: were expecting at least one dinosaur, so they had to
Speaker 1: go back in and put dinosaurs in a great selection.
Speaker 1: Muriel's wedding has come up before on this who was
Speaker 1: I will let you know at another.
Speaker 3: Time you've forgotten how offensive to that person.
Speaker 1: Because I have mentioned.
Speaker 3: That seems to be on brand her and I would
Speaker 3: laugh Muriel's wedding, that'll that'll checks.
Speaker 1: Out when we have I think I mentioned in that
Speaker 1: episode that I think the Holy Trilogy of Austraie comedies
Speaker 1: is Mura's wedding Crocodile Dundee in the Castle.
Speaker 3: I would swap Crocodile Dundee with Priscilla Queen in the
Speaker 3: gest Yes, the top three didn't know you were such
Speaker 3: a raging homophobe.
Speaker 1: That's the headline. That is the headline, clickbait. Why would
Speaker 1: put Murial's wedding in there?
Speaker 3: Muriel's wedding much like how The Exorcist scares me every time.
Speaker 3: Every single time I watched Murror's Wedding, which I haven't
Speaker 3: seen no movie more, I will laugh at something new.
Speaker 3: Every single time I watched that movie, I will find
Speaker 3: something every time. The reason I love it the most
Speaker 3: is my favorite comedy is when it's a tinge of
Speaker 3: actual depression and darkness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Meultanincholy and that.
Speaker 3: Movie is so dark.
Speaker 1: I won't go back over all the same points I
Speaker 1: made with m but the scene, the certain scenes. The
Speaker 1: Mum is a heartbreak, this walking heartbreak. Bill Hunter at
Speaker 1: her funeral, when he talks about giving the telegraph from
Speaker 1: Bob Hawk, he's just his.
Speaker 3: Brother out in China.
Speaker 4: Stand up Bill Hair's loot.
Speaker 3: You can't stop progress. It's the most quotable movie I've
Speaker 3: ever seen. If I can't type, how come I got
Speaker 3: my secretarial diploma?
Speaker 1: Because I pay for it?
Speaker 3: Don't start with me, I'll go on all day. So yeah,
Speaker 3: it's the most quotable movie I've ever seen. It's Australian,
Speaker 3: it's I think it's like half the reason why I
Speaker 3: want to get into comedy is that kind of that
Speaker 3: that zone of like sad funny is the hot spot
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 1: And also it had that double punter going wow, who
Speaker 1: are these two extraordinary actresses we hadn't seen before in
Speaker 1: Tony Collett and Rachel Griffis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's almost like when filmmakers cast people just for
Speaker 3: who's best for the job, it's almost like it makes
Speaker 3: the movie really good. It's almost like if the industry
Speaker 3: gave people a shot is because they were great.
Speaker 1: It won't happen. It won't happen. No, absolutely right, And
Speaker 1: whether that was because you know sometimes who knows. They
Speaker 1: may have offered it to Nicole Kidman. But I often
Speaker 1: believe you get you quite often when shows are successful
Speaker 1: with TV or films, you generally get the cast that
Speaker 1: you want or that you need. Now, outside of casting,
Speaker 1: you know, there's obviously we need to cast more diverse.
Speaker 1: But all I'm saying is when you often want somebody
Speaker 1: and they can't do it often there's a reason. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it ends up being ah, okay, we actually needed this person.
Speaker 1: So mes winning is great, great selections diverse, and you
Speaker 1: had a better thousand apologies, we won't get into all
Speaker 1: of those, so let's talk beetlejuice. Can I just point out,
Speaker 1: so this film comes out in nine to eighty eight,
Speaker 1: I'm five, You're five, a stellar year for film, I think,
Speaker 1: for Hollywood in particular and for comedy. Check out these
Speaker 1: films in nineteen eighty eight, Who Framed, Roger, Rabbit, Heathers,
Speaker 1: a Fish Cord, Wonder Coming to America, Big and Naked, Gun,
Speaker 1: Midnight Run, Crocodile Done, thee Twins, Caddy Shak Two, Scrooged,
Speaker 1: Working Girl, Dirty Rotten Scoundrels. On top of that, there's
Speaker 1: some pretty decent dramas as well, A rain Man die
Speaker 1: Hard action film, Cocktail Beaches, Mystic Peacha, The Accused, Mississippi,
Speaker 1: Burning Willow Dangerously, Aisan scrillas in the Mist. That's not
Speaker 1: a bad year.
Speaker 3: That's I thought that would have been the nineties all up. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like that's a decade movie.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a decade of movies is actually one year.
Speaker 3: Missic Pizza Oh, sign me up to that movie too.
Speaker 1: By the way, it's Juli robert Maybe first film.
Speaker 3: I think it is the first film.
Speaker 1: So this comes out in eighty eight. It's Tim Burton's
Speaker 1: second film. He's made Pee Wee's Big Adventure, and that
Speaker 1: gives him a bit of credit to the credit. I
Speaker 1: hadn't seen Peee's Big Adventure.
Speaker 3: I've never been a big pew still haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: No, I think it's astraight, as kind of skipped that
Speaker 1: I think as a strange have gone no.
Speaker 3: And I think it's proven to be a good choice
Speaker 3: right now that what we know about him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that didn't help. Yes, a certain incident
Speaker 1: in a movie cinema google it. So he makes he
Speaker 1: makes beetle juice and he goes on to Batman and
Speaker 1: then this kicks off the Tim Burton. It's Edwards his
Speaker 1: hands as Batman returns as Edward and on he goes.
Speaker 1: So what did you think of it?
Speaker 3: I did love it. It's very poppy and silly and fine.
Speaker 3: It's definitely one of those movies where I feel that
Speaker 3: you need to have a personal connection with it to
Speaker 3: love it like I enjoyed it. Yeah, the the open
Speaker 3: credits with the Danny Elfman theme that alone had me in.
Speaker 1: It was great, wasn't it.
Speaker 3: It's easily one of the best movie scores I've ever
Speaker 3: I've heard.
Speaker 1: And the opening shot where it's sweeping across that town
Speaker 1: I think supposed to be kinetic or something, and it
Speaker 1: just and then it gets to the model house and
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of is it been a transition?
Speaker 1: And then the spider comes over and there Alec Borden
Speaker 1: takes the spider and then he leaves. It's amazing.
Speaker 3: It's a bit bit of an ash acid trip. Alec
Speaker 3: Baldwin's hot ass in it, by the way, he was
Speaker 3: nailing Brunswick like in nineteen eighty eight. Just go and
Speaker 3: google image how Alec Baldwin looked in this movie. It
Speaker 3: was like, oh, he's worked it out three decades earlier,
Speaker 3: so he looks real. He's super hot in it. Geena Davis,
Speaker 3: the cast in this movie is how I never seen
Speaker 3: this movie because I'm a huge Geena Davis fans. She's
Speaker 3: in a league of their own. One of my favorite
Speaker 3: movies of all time, and also Long Kiss good Night,
Speaker 3: which was one of my favorite action films. Samuel Jackson
Speaker 3: that's an amazing movie.
Speaker 1: It's a great one.
Speaker 3: I think a Bourne identity. The books copied that movie.
Speaker 1: By the way, just can of worms. We cannot afford
Speaker 1: to be sued.
Speaker 3: One ow writer. But obviously the biggest raw card for me,
Speaker 3: Catherine O'Hara is in this movie.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you mentioned and I knew you would,
Speaker 1: So she's in this movie. It must have been around
Speaker 1: the time, maybe a year or two before Homer Ligne.
Speaker 1: She was in Home Alone. But there was a bit
Speaker 1: of Moira Rose for those Ship's Creek. There really is
Speaker 1: about the wardrobe going on. It's it's that standing wardrob
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen Ship's Creek, and so I love
Speaker 1: Shit's Creek and I implore everybody to watch it for
Speaker 1: so many reasons. One because it's so bloody funny. But
Speaker 1: I always say to any costume designer I meet or
Speaker 1: i'm working with, you know you're not doing your job
Speaker 1: if you haven't watched Ship's Creek. Because Moya Rose's outfits, do.
Speaker 3: You sound like a thrill to work with?
Speaker 1: Peter Hallett continue and then others stare them down until
Speaker 1: they watch it, and then they end up finding it
Speaker 1: on their phones on YouTube. I'm still staring they watched
Speaker 1: a few minutes ago that the whole.
Speaker 3: Series, not just the bloopers.
Speaker 1: Karen, you're cheating.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, that's so funny that you mentioned Moira, because
Speaker 3: I did think that as well. The jet black hair,
Speaker 3: the obsession with like other people liking you know, the
Speaker 3: statut subsession, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And accessorizing some of that. Like there's a scene where
Speaker 1: I think the dinner party, which she's got this kind
Speaker 1: of black glove on her kind of forehead and she's
Speaker 1: I think she takes her husband's played by Jeffrey Jones's
Speaker 1: red sweater and now has it tied around her waist.
Speaker 3: It's it's I wonder maybe if there's some sort of
Speaker 3: deep dive you can do on the internet. I wonder
Speaker 3: if she has something to do with both of those
Speaker 3: choices that she's playing people that are very linked to
Speaker 3: costumes and outfits. Maybe that's her.
Speaker 1: I think she is a big collaborator, and I think
Speaker 1: certainly Shit's Creek. She brought a lot of that character
Speaker 1: to the Levi's Daniel and Levy, and certainly the voice
Speaker 1: in the she came up with the accent wherever the
Speaker 1: fact that's from It's hilarious, So I think you absolutely right,
Speaker 1: but she is. I just love watching her.
Speaker 3: And also that she's a villain is so cool. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because she's so sweet and my movie Mum in Home
Speaker 3: alone in my list. But yeah, she's the villain. She's
Speaker 3: meant to be the bad guy, which is even better, and.
Speaker 1: Put together with another bad guy we recognize from as
Speaker 1: Ed Rooney from Forrest Bueller's Day Off, Jeffrey Jones's never
Speaker 1: he's never the cool guy. He's never a nice guy.
Speaker 3: I would never know his name. If you said Jeffrey Jones.
Speaker 1: I looked it up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you google him, you'll go, oh him.
Speaker 3: He's in so many eighties and nineties movies, yep, as
Speaker 3: the bad.
Speaker 1: Guy, always the bad guy.
Speaker 3: He's always the authority. So yes, the fact that she's
Speaker 3: in it and I haven't seen it, I was offended
Speaker 3: myself and thought I'd let myself down. So she's awesome,
Speaker 3: world's first emo. Yeah, she just nailed Angry Distant and
Speaker 3: you bet a teenage girl and.
Speaker 1: You watch her and this is her first major film.
Speaker 1: She made two films I think previous to this, and
Speaker 1: Tim Burton had seen one and really liked. And that's
Speaker 1: why because everybody apparently you know you, Sarah Jisca Parker's
Speaker 1: you know or auditioned for this, Juliet Lewis, it goes
Speaker 1: to one out to write and it kind of like
Speaker 1: it feels like it kind of frames her career, like
Speaker 1: you know, this sets her off in making these kind
Speaker 1: of gothic or kind of offbeat kind of characters in
Speaker 1: often independent quirking, a lot of black films, a lot
Speaker 1: of black eyeliner, Girl Interrupted, Heathers, Dracula, Mermaids, Mermaids. There's
Speaker 1: one she's actually edwards is her Hands of Reality Bites.
Speaker 3: And I'm not taking this away from her because I
Speaker 3: am I am a fan, but she's basically the same
Speaker 3: person in like four films. She's exactly the same in
Speaker 3: this as she is in Mermaids.
Speaker 1: You can make that argument.
Speaker 3: Yes, and Casper, it's a second movie with guys. It's
Speaker 3: her in Casper, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I think yeah, I think I'm sure she's in Casper.
Speaker 1: Casper doesn't loom large in my.
Speaker 3: Made my top three apologies.
Speaker 1: You're not doing an apology to Casper. We've got a
Speaker 1: John line somewhere. But she's she's you know, and then
Speaker 1: almost I say bookend ended because you know her career
Speaker 1: hopefully runs her a much longer, but you know she's
Speaker 1: back doing stranger things, yeah, almost playing an older version
Speaker 1: of some of these characters. So she's great. Jim Davis
Speaker 1: is great. And of course, of course, Michael Keaton, what
Speaker 1: do you think of what do you think of beetle juice?
Speaker 3: So as we spoke already about the holding off of
Speaker 3: dinosaurs in Jurassic Park in my top three, you'll welcome Spielberg.
Speaker 3: I'm sure he's subscribed to this podcast. Yes, it takes
Speaker 3: a really long time for needle Juice to appear.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: Again, the promise of beetle juice coming has you hooked,
Speaker 3: and he keeps watching and watching. You said before like
Speaker 3: twenty five minutes. I think it's even longer than that.
Speaker 3: I think he doesn't properly kick off like the forty minute.
Speaker 1: Mark, right, yeah, yes, yeah, I think he's maybe he's
Speaker 1: mentioned maybe mentioned in the first.
Speaker 3: Probably formed talking like forty forty five minutes. I wrote
Speaker 3: my little notepad here in a ninety minute movie. That's
Speaker 3: that's a pretty risky, ballsy move to make.
Speaker 1: Well, he's only in I think seventeen and a half
Speaker 1: minutes of the film. There's a few conflicting reports on
Speaker 1: read forty and a half, but I think it's seventeen
Speaker 1: and a half and only shot for two weeks. And
Speaker 1: even the scene in the waiting room which appears right
Speaker 1: at the end, they reaped the after they shot that.
Speaker 1: After the test audience has said there's not enough Beetle
Speaker 1: Juice in this Beetle Juice movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's really great and very funnyest I mean,
Speaker 3: look somethings are a little bit uncomfortable, but from.
Speaker 1: That, well, originally it was supposedally the original Scooter was
Speaker 1: much darker, where Beatle Juice was supposed to appear as
Speaker 1: like a winged demon and whose human form was a
Speaker 1: tiny Middle Eastern man. That was that was the original,
Speaker 1: okay thing, So Tim Burton sounds hilarious, and he wanted
Speaker 1: he wanted to kill the Deets family and and and
Speaker 1: rape Lidiar. So I think they made some good changes.
Speaker 1: I think they made some good changes. So I don't
Speaker 1: think the musical gets up based on that premise.
Speaker 3: No, Daddy Elfman's not signing up for the soundtrack. We
Speaker 3: need something here, for this scene where he murders the parents,
Speaker 3: wants to have sex with the teenage girl. Okay, that's grim.
Speaker 1: So it's fascinating sometimes when you realize what.
Speaker 3: A script was going to be absolutely.
Speaker 1: And then you know what it has become.
Speaker 3: It's His performance reminds me very much of Drop Dead Fred, Yes,
Speaker 3: very similar type of movie like this caenary, crazy, uncontrollable
Speaker 3: pop up cartoon character. Yeah, I wonder if there was
Speaker 3: some sort of he created, some sort of like new
Speaker 3: way to do a character. Don't you think? He's very
Speaker 3: Genie from Aladdin Dropped Dead Thread like that.
Speaker 1: Absolutely like he's and I know they consider casting Sammy
Speaker 1: Davis Junior. That was Tim Burton's first choice, which sounds weird,
Speaker 1: Like this sounds weird the first things. But then the
Speaker 1: idea of Beatle just being this kind of like show
Speaker 1: be is kind of like this, you know, with smoking
Speaker 1: and maybe a whiskey in hand, tumbler, you know, this
Speaker 1: making jokes and almost like you see a version of
Speaker 1: that in Michael Keaton's performance as well.
Speaker 3: You know, he's really funny, he's really good. He's been
Speaker 3: around for a really long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he was pretty I think, pretty big going
Speaker 1: into this. I think he'd made mister Mom.
Speaker 3: He also has looked the same age for like thirty years.
Speaker 3: He's got the Steve Martins about him. Yeah, he's kind
Speaker 3: of I don't know if he was born old or
Speaker 3: he's aging well, one of the two. He's just looked
Speaker 3: very similar for a very long time.
Speaker 1: Well a bit like when I write it, he kind
Speaker 1: of disappeared for a little while, didn't he, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: a long time. He kind of re emerged with Birdman.
Speaker 3: Was when he came he was back. Yeah, but where's
Speaker 3: he gone again? He did that.
Speaker 1: Spotlight Spotlight, But I think I can't think of him
Speaker 1: right now, but I'm sure he's made some other written
Speaker 1: films as well. So also Dudley Moore and Sam Kinnison
Speaker 1: were considered for the role. What I like about this
Speaker 1: film at the start is just how economical it is
Speaker 1: getting into it.
Speaker 3: I have written in my little book here no time wasting.
Speaker 3: They're dead within the first five minutes they're dead.
Speaker 1: And they said to me, very okay with it, like
Speaker 1: to kill.
Speaker 3: Off your two main characters, which we've somehow already fallen
Speaker 3: for in two minutes because it's Geena Davis and she's
Speaker 3: just so lovable and then they're dead. They die instantly,
Speaker 3: and it's like, this is sick. This movie is not
Speaker 3: wasting anytime.
Speaker 1: No, And it's been interesting to see some of these
Speaker 1: classic movies and watch them again and realize that that
Speaker 1: you know depend what kind of movie you know you're
Speaker 1: trying to make, and Tim Burton knows exactly the film
Speaker 1: he's trying to make.
Speaker 3: And get out, get them, and get out, and you.
Speaker 1: Don't need to waste time. So so this is the
Speaker 1: accident happens at the seven and a half minute morte.
Speaker 1: So this is and this is the information I think
Speaker 1: we're given up until that in seven and a half
Speaker 1: minutes we meet the Maitland's Okay, we know Adam is
Speaker 1: a miniature railway enthusiast and hot and possibly from Brunswick
Speaker 1: thirty years in the future. And we know we know
Speaker 1: they are in love, we know they love their country house.
Speaker 1: We know it's too big for them, we know that
Speaker 1: they hope to fill it with a family. We know
Speaker 1: that they that's proved struggle. They're struggling how to kick
Speaker 1: out with that, and we know the house is highly sought.
Speaker 1: And then it's seven and a half minutes. They are
Speaker 1: in a car accident in pretty innocuous that they get
Speaker 1: a dog. There's a weird barn that goes over that
Speaker 1: was odd creek and they go through and they and
Speaker 1: they die and then they're this in the house and
Speaker 1: just really generally accept that they are dead, which is
Speaker 1: and it's fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, let's talk about how good movies are that
Speaker 3: are ninety minutes. Oh my god, let's go back to
Speaker 3: a ninety minute movie. I don't want to watch something
Speaker 3: in installments. I don't want to have to cancel actual
Speaker 3: afternoon plans to dig into something. At what point did
Speaker 3: movie makers go this needs to be two and a
Speaker 3: half hours long. When did that happen? Pete? How are you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really interesting point in and out movie.
Speaker 1: I mean, Gone with the Wind was three and.
Speaker 3: A half hours, but no one had anything else to do.
Speaker 1: And now you've got the added documentaries before and arth
Speaker 1: that you need to watch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's a ninety minute movie. All movies
Speaker 3: should be.
Speaker 1: I think. I think listen, I am, And like I
Speaker 1: said earlier, I was very happy to sit in the
Speaker 1: cinema and in the nineties as a fifteen you know,
Speaker 1: year old watching Braveheart as with rules JFK. I am
Speaker 1: completely okay about canceling plans to watch a movie, but
Speaker 1: I do think comedies and I love jad Apatoo films.
Speaker 1: I really do so need an edit. But yeah, possibly,
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I like them. I like
Speaker 1: that they breathe, you know, and I but I must say,
Speaker 1: when I'm doing this podcast and I see that Beetle
Speaker 1: Juice is ninety minutes, it excites.
Speaker 3: We're very happy.
Speaker 1: It excites me, and it does allow you to move,
Speaker 1: you know, at a really nice place.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, my rule in movies is it shouldn't be
Speaker 3: longer than a flight to New Zealand. That's my general
Speaker 3: rule for movie length.
Speaker 1: You said. Peter Jackson himself has broken that rule multiple.
Speaker 3: Chi should just you know, we've got things to do.
Speaker 3: Everyone's got things to do. And also we all watch
Speaker 3: movies now in mentally in installments, checking your phone every
Speaker 3: ten minutes, you do another stuff. So let's not fuck
Speaker 3: around here. Let's just get it done. So I love
Speaker 3: that this movie didn't waste any time. I will say
Speaker 3: I didn't love as the three quarter mark, a little
Speaker 3: bit of a lal starts to get a little bit
Speaker 3: repetitive towards the end. Yeah, I get a little bit
Speaker 3: bored before the final little crescendo bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of I would agree with that. I
Speaker 1: there was a bit of a dip and I lacked
Speaker 1: they maybe I like a bit of focus probably, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, hey keep me interested.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah I did also, Right, So, just another horror
Speaker 3: film that this reminded me of. I don't know if
Speaker 3: you've ever seen The Others with Nicole Kidman's I have
Speaker 3: this is that's also a fantastic movie. Do we do
Speaker 3: spoilers on this?
Speaker 1: If you haven't seen the Others, just mute.
Speaker 3: Go forward to thirty seven seconds. In the Others, it's
Speaker 3: Nicole Kidman in her two young children, and it's a
Speaker 3: haunted house story, and you think the whole movie they're
Speaker 3: hiding from ghosts because there's all these noises and things moving,
Speaker 3: and then the twist at the end is they're the
Speaker 3: dead family, they're the ghosts, and all the noises they're
Speaker 3: hearing are from the normal people that live in the
Speaker 3: house trying to get rid of them. I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: did the people that wrote The Other Sea Beetlejuice, Because
Speaker 3: it's the same movie, just done in a different style.
Speaker 3: They've just made it a horror.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is in this it is the humans haunting
Speaker 1: the ghosts. It's interesting. I mean, there are probably lots
Speaker 1: of ideas where you could go, Okay, that's a comedy.
Speaker 1: Let's do a serious version of the Naked Gun.
Speaker 3: Yeah. When I see your shows, I'm like, oh, they
Speaker 3: should do this as a comedy.
Speaker 1: So I did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did maybe think of that movie. There was
Speaker 3: a bit of a lull. Can I tell you my
Speaker 3: favorite scene in the whole movie, it was so joyful,
Speaker 3: is when they're around the table towards the end of
Speaker 3: the movie, and it's the first time Geena Davis and
Speaker 3: hot Alec Baldwin decide to haunt the family properly, and
Speaker 3: they do it by taking over the table, playing that music,
Speaker 3: possessing their bodies and making them dance to he Don't
Speaker 3: Remember copyright.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: That scene is the best scene in the movie. It's
Speaker 3: just it goes for a little bit too long, which
Speaker 3: makes it even funnier because you start getting that second
Speaker 3: wave and I no one wants to hear the word
Speaker 3: second wave at the moment, But in a comedy sense,
Speaker 3: it's quite funny. I love that scene. It was just joy.
Speaker 3: Katherine Ohara owns it. She controlled that whole thing was.
Speaker 1: The best and Tim Burton was not keen on it.
Speaker 1: Oh one of that out and test audience has saved it.
Speaker 1: They loved it.
Speaker 3: That's a sex scene. Did you like it?
Speaker 1: What's that?
Speaker 3: The scene? Did you like? Six? Scene?
Speaker 1: Six? Seen? What did I so?
Speaker 3: I said sick to connect with the teens that are
Speaker 3: listening to this podcast.
Speaker 1: It's sick, it's random, it's a hectic scene.
Speaker 3: NTE hanging on as I put my hat backwards. It's
Speaker 3: a Yeah. That was my favorite moment because it was
Speaker 3: just what's missing from a lot of movies is joy.
Speaker 3: It's just this is joyful. And if you're not smiling
Speaker 3: by the end of that scene.
Speaker 1: Well these films. If it's not fun, it's what's the
Speaker 1: point of this film? Could you see? Have you seen
Speaker 1: a musical? By any chance? I have not so any
Speaker 1: perfect a friend he wrote the musical, and I'm not
Speaker 1: sure where it's at at the moment. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: where the world's at at the moment, but I know
Speaker 1: it got off to the first couple of weeks. It
Speaker 1: was a bit rough didn't get great reviews, but then
Speaker 1: people just like owned it and loved it and it was,
Speaker 1: you know, doing really well, and then it was kicked
Speaker 1: out of it of its theater by I think the
Speaker 1: music name, which is Hugh Jackman, been all good for
Speaker 1: a couple of and so I'm not sure. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure where it's at. But people were loving it, which
Speaker 1: which is great because Eddie is a brilliant artist. But
Speaker 1: can you see how this will be like watching it?
Speaker 1: And obviously we're doing it knowing that's.
Speaker 3: It feels like a musical, of course, And I want
Speaker 3: them to remake Beetlejuice with money, because I'm guessing they
Speaker 3: didn't have any money just looking at the effects.
Speaker 1: One million dollars they made this film for what it
Speaker 1: is back in even then, Yeah, it's not much.
Speaker 3: That's not much at all. I want to know if
Speaker 3: because as I said again back to my Jurassic Park
Speaker 3: love that it's very minimal cgi And I just do
Speaker 3: love a movie where you can tell they've built the
Speaker 3: bloody thing that's a real set, that that hand is real,
Speaker 3: that's a puppet, that's a real mansion or movie version
Speaker 3: of a mansion. Even if it's a small scale one,
Speaker 3: which is a lot in this movie. I have a
Speaker 3: real soft spot for when things you can tell have
Speaker 3: been built. It's my love of the Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 3: It's that old school Hollywood thing, you know, build a set,
Speaker 3: get your freaking hammer and nail out and build it.
Speaker 3: I don't want some sea g I ship.
Speaker 1: Because you can tell, you can always tell. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: maybe they should remake this film, but make it. They've
Speaker 1: got the musical there. Make it as a musical. They're
Speaker 1: kind of hot right now because.
Speaker 3: If they made it but then they made Beetle Juice today,
Speaker 3: he'd beg. He'd be completely c g.
Speaker 1: I'd no, no, no. All you need is a director
Speaker 1: and a team that's committed to the idea of the
Speaker 1: spirit of the original film. But I think I think
Speaker 1: you're right. I think you can still make it have
Speaker 1: some effects that even practical effects that are just better.
Speaker 3: I do love it in a movie when you can
Speaker 3: tell where the floor finishes and then the fake background
Speaker 3: just begins. They haven't even got rid of the masking
Speaker 3: tape down the bottom of the bit there. I love
Speaker 3: it in a movie when you can just tell, well,
Speaker 3: that's fake. From there. You know what sitcoms. You can
Speaker 3: tell when they open the front door, there's just that
Speaker 3: phony thing out across the road picture.
Speaker 1: Or the little courtyard.
Speaker 3: It's just I kind of do love that in a movie,
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of that in this.
Speaker 1: But the thing about making it like a like a
Speaker 1: B movie in a way is that it felt like
Speaker 1: it hadn't aged really, because because if you're trying to
Speaker 1: make it necessary, you know, like look as like you're
Speaker 1: trying to make Star Wars, then I think it would date.
Speaker 1: But because you accept that it's a bit schlucky, it
Speaker 1: means for me that I didn't feel like it had
Speaker 1: dated that much because I knew I was watching, you know,
Speaker 1: a B movie.
Speaker 3: There's some truly horrific effects.
Speaker 1: Yes, even in the Darley kind of dream when they
Speaker 1: leave the house, it's like that's just the blue screen
Speaker 1: that you were supposed to put effects on. They just
Speaker 1: left left the screen.
Speaker 3: It's like they forget.
Speaker 1: I think I saw a gaffer in the background at
Speaker 1: one point. I like the waiting room.
Speaker 3: The waiting room is a great idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you've got the magician sawn in half. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have the this I think he's supposed to be
Speaker 1: a Burns victim who's still smoking, throwing up the cigarette.
Speaker 3: And then there's there's real, there's that real. There's a
Speaker 3: lot of darkness in this movie as well. That's like
Speaker 3: there's nods to like suicide and depression and.
Speaker 1: Well there's apparently a scene where you can hear them
Speaker 1: a airplane called like and I didn't pick it up.
Speaker 1: I only read this in some notes, and there's actually
Speaker 1: like a real airplane that the number, the flight number
Speaker 1: and time of a real life airplane that crashed into
Speaker 1: a mountain and nobody knew knew what happened. And that's
Speaker 1: kind of putting his little leaster egg in the background hilarious.
Speaker 3: It just gets funnier and funnier.
Speaker 1: But I did.
Speaker 3: There was that moment where they were walking through when
Speaker 3: they first go to that headquarters whatever you call that,
Speaker 3: where there was the waiting room, Yeah, and that the
Speaker 3: cleaner opens the curtain and then there's there all these
Speaker 3: ghosts and dead people in a hole and he basically
Speaker 3: says them or that's like purgatory or how and it's
Speaker 3: like death for dead people. And that was like, what,
Speaker 3: that's getting too deep there. I was like, if you
Speaker 3: had done weed or acid. I think that particular little
Speaker 3: sequence would just really throw you off a little bit.
Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, Well there are all these.
Speaker 3: Kind of like there's all these weird layers to it.
Speaker 1: Yes, because even when they're in that you know, they're
Speaker 1: in that waiting room and they're talking to the woman
Speaker 1: with the throats sleep just so smoke, and the smoke's
Speaker 1: coming out of their throat, and you have through the window,
Speaker 1: you have almost like a cinema of these ghules and
Speaker 1: watching it. It's all these little touches, both kind of
Speaker 1: grim kind of touches, surreal touches, like comedic touches. It's
Speaker 1: jokes kind of all the way through it, which I
Speaker 1: like a lot.
Speaker 2: All the paperwork to do. From in here, sit down,
Speaker 2: get in here, both of you. The whoor house is
Speaker 2: my idea. I want Beetlejuice out of the big.
Speaker 4: You two have really screwed up. I received word that
Speaker 4: you allowed yourself to be photographed and you let Beetlejuice
Speaker 4: out and didn't put him back, and you let also
Speaker 4: get hold of the handbook. Handbook when never trust the living,
Speaker 4: we cannot have a routine haunting like yours, providing Ruth
Speaker 4: that there is existence beyond dead.
Speaker 2: Coach coach where yeh, I'm not your coach, he survived.
Speaker 1: I like that the Jeffrey Giants character Catherine Harrah's husband
Speaker 1: is raiding a magazine called Practical Homeowner, or.
Speaker 3: When I when Katherine O'Hara and that very camp whoever
Speaker 3: that guy is the assistant of her? Who's he again?
Speaker 1: He is? His name is played by Glenn Shaddocks.
Speaker 3: Oh that's he's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's great. And I look at him up surprised
Speaker 1: he didn't We thought we should know who this guy is.
Speaker 1: What a great performance. And he made some other basically
Speaker 1: Chris tim Burton films he made. It was in Heather's
Speaker 1: Nightmare Before Christmas, he voiced some stuff and Planet of
Speaker 1: the Apes. But and he died in twenty ten, age
Speaker 1: fifty eight. But yeah, he's one of those guys you think,
Speaker 1: oh this is if you're watching it now, you can't think, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're going to see more of this guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah he's a superstar. So funny. But I love that
Speaker 3: bit where him and Catherine O'Hara opened the when they
Speaker 3: first walked into the house and they opened the closet
Speaker 3: and Gina Davis is trying to scare them, so she's
Speaker 3: hung herself off the close and they scream in fear,
Speaker 3: and you think, oh, Geena Davis has finally figured it out,
Speaker 3: but they can't see her. He's screaming at the size
Speaker 3: of the closet. That's a great joke.
Speaker 1: It's great.
Speaker 3: It's a really good bit.
Speaker 1: There's so many great bits, threat, what did you think
Speaker 1: of them? So getting back to the waiting room, so
Speaker 1: everyone the way they appear is basically the way they die.
Speaker 1: And there's the guy at the tiny head who I
Speaker 1: was a bit confused about. I was trying to forgeret how
Speaker 1: he died. But then it's kind of explained at the
Speaker 1: end because I imagine the the the warrior dude next door.
Speaker 1: It sprinkled some dust on him and made his heads
Speaker 1: shrink the way he did with beetlejuice. But but of course,
Speaker 1: if you go by that, then then Alec Bordwin and
Speaker 1: Jean Davis should be wet the whole time. They should
Speaker 1: be they should be drenched.
Speaker 3: You go post this on a forum, mate, if that's
Speaker 3: going to make your day, mate, if you've put a
Speaker 3: plug in this nineteen eighty eight, one million dollar budget film.
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure if I'm going to release his
Speaker 1: podcast based on this point. Why aren't they wet?
Speaker 3: It? Look fair enough? I am. I'll admit I am
Speaker 3: a very annoying person Sometimes in a movie at continuity,
Speaker 3: it really annoys me when their meal changes mid chat,
Speaker 3: or the glass of waters changed, or the cigarette is
Speaker 3: way further down than it was. I'm one of those people.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry but this, but this never caught your attention.
Speaker 3: That's that one slid.
Speaker 1: You're watching cigarette butts, but you cannot see that they
Speaker 1: should be wet.
Speaker 3: The entire What a nightmare for filming.
Speaker 1: They did consider, well that that's exactly what happened. They
Speaker 1: considered that, and they just said, this is going to
Speaker 1: be really uncomfortable for the actors and problematic. You could
Speaker 1: make the point that they died at at the hospital.
Speaker 1: Sure they dried them. They let the windows down in
Speaker 1: the ambulance.
Speaker 3: Wasn't this in the script? But yeah, the old lady
Speaker 3: that plays the when they do that great scene with
Speaker 3: her in the office, I was trying to figure out
Speaker 3: who she technically supposed to be, the one where they
Speaker 3: are practicing she gives them the report about what they're
Speaker 3: doing right, what they're doing wrong.
Speaker 1: Yes, and that's why.
Speaker 3: Who's she supposed to be? Like?
Speaker 1: God, No, I didn't. I didn't come to that conclusion.
Speaker 1: But she's I mean, that's I think it was. It
Speaker 1: spoke as a musical because you had like a lot
Speaker 1: of exposition and characters. You're just coming in freely giving information. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and she was one of them.
Speaker 3: She was awesome. Yeah, I really liked her. But that
Speaker 3: seems that's my favorite bit of makeup and visual in
Speaker 3: the whole movie, where they're in the office and she's like,
Speaker 3: what do you got? What are you planning to do
Speaker 3: to scare them? And then Alec Baldwin stretches his face
Speaker 3: and becomes that very iconic Now years later, it's become
Speaker 3: a very iconic Tim Burton image of that long face,
Speaker 3: of the long eyes that's become one of his signature looks.
Speaker 3: I also love Nightmare Before Christmas, which he made in
Speaker 3: ninety two ninety three, Tim Burton's stop animation movie that
Speaker 3: has so many of the same characters in shapes as
Speaker 3: this movie. I think you just rehashed them all.
Speaker 1: See disappointing, isn't it?
Speaker 3: Send him an email. I've seen that shape before. Aled. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Jenny Davis turns her face into that big long one
Speaker 3: with the big teeth and the big tongue. That's sick.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And again, like you know, it's if you did
Speaker 1: it now, you'd probably do it differently. But I really
Speaker 1: loved you know, twenty or how long, thirty two years later,
Speaker 1: it's a really long time. I really enjoyed it. This
Speaker 1: is fun. I know what I'm watching, I know what
Speaker 1: they're probably dealing with. Yep, it was great. There was
Speaker 1: a sequel planned, and they's still talk there will be
Speaker 1: a sequel. There was a sequel that it was going
Speaker 1: to happen. Reason mely quickly afterwards called wait for it,
Speaker 1: Beetlejuice goes Hawaiian, and it was going to be that
Speaker 1: Katherine O'Hara and Jeffrey Jones, we're going to build. It's
Speaker 1: a large development on some prime Hawaiian real estate. It's great,
Speaker 1: and they the locals get Beetlejuice involved to help scare
Speaker 1: them away bad idea. And the any reason didn't happen
Speaker 1: is because happy to hear that, Tim Burton was committed
Speaker 1: to Batman returns.
Speaker 3: There we go which is also set in Hawaii, which.
Speaker 1: Is quite WHI everybody knows.
Speaker 3: It's like a little nineties thing, isn't it. Sitcoms used
Speaker 3: to go to Hawaii.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it was always like you had you had
Speaker 1: you having happy days and Brady Bunch famously that's where
Speaker 1: Phonsie jumped the shark, which became a famous expression. And
Speaker 1: then that's where Peter Brady all the Bradies got cursed
Speaker 1: because they found.
Speaker 3: Like this is a crossover with Beetle Juice.
Speaker 1: Possibly, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I remember Full House went to Disneyland?
Speaker 1: No, okay, do you remember Family Tires going to England?
Speaker 1: And do you remember Facts of Life down Under?
Speaker 3: Do you remember when Hey Hay went where'd they go again?
Speaker 1: To the Los Angeles and Waner brother the studios?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, with mel Gibson making lethal weapon? Yes, I do.
Speaker 2: Well, there we go.
Speaker 3: That was in my notes.
Speaker 1: When you could have some fun with mel Gibson those days.
Speaker 3: Get him on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just I just of thinking it's good. You know,
Speaker 1: people will listen to this podcast and they may want
Speaker 1: more of a deep dive. They just want they like
Speaker 1: the heroes having fun about it. But I like to
Speaker 1: kind of point out something that occurred to me about,
Speaker 1: you know, the way the films made, because some people
Speaker 1: might be trying to write films, and I think it's
Speaker 1: it's worth pointing out the Maitlands because I think it's
Speaker 1: a really nice part of the film. Is what the
Speaker 1: Maitland's Whenever you're writing anything particlarly films, you need to
Speaker 1: work out what your carricters want and then what they need,
Speaker 1: and they should be two different things. So I was
Speaker 1: thinking about that and what the Maitlands want is they
Speaker 1: want to get rid of the family. Well, actually what
Speaker 1: they want originally is they want a family. They want
Speaker 1: a family, and then that changes when they die, circumstanced changes.
Speaker 1: They want to get rid of this family. But then
Speaker 1: what they need is actually for that family to stay.
Speaker 1: Really what the least Lily to day, that's what they
Speaker 1: that's actually what they need. They need, they need a daughter.
Speaker 1: And it's I really like the ending. It's quite an
Speaker 1: upbeat end.
Speaker 3: It's nice.
Speaker 1: It's like a happy family. It's happy family. They actually
Speaker 1: get what they need.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and mon ownA Ida got to do a fantasy
Speaker 3: that we all had women with her age is she
Speaker 3: swapped her parents, you know, looking back. Now, you wouldn't
Speaker 3: want to do that, but when you're her age, you like,
Speaker 3: you know, you do anything to swap your parents.
Speaker 1: Mister and missus. Velvo. Glad you're along for the ride.
Speaker 3: I said, back when I was a teenager.
Speaker 1: And then you got Lidia. And what she wants is
Speaker 1: death because she's an nemo, but what she actually needs
Speaker 1: is love and she gets that from the Maitland's I
Speaker 1: think it's a nice It is nice, nice touch because
Speaker 1: you know, you can look at it as a silly movie,
Speaker 1: but they're you know, these silly movies often work because
Speaker 1: they are all these things underlining it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, like you don't realize that when you
Speaker 3: watch it, like this is fun blah blah blah. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah he said something funny, but yeah, it's true. You're
Speaker 3: kind of like, oh, Jeenna Davis. I wanted to get
Speaker 3: her kid.
Speaker 1: Jeanna Davis. It needs to be more stuff, doesn't she?
Speaker 3: You know, really is weird. Do you remember when she
Speaker 3: quit movies to become an Olympic archer? That's right there
Speaker 3: we go. I think she won a medal.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 3: She was terrible without special effects. Afterwards, she didn't realize.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I yeah, I watched Um on Louise for
Speaker 1: the first time for this podcast, and have you seen it?
Speaker 3: No, I've never seen that.
Speaker 1: Such a great film. Do you remember your first film
Speaker 1: you saw?
Speaker 3: No, I'm sorry, disappointing is at the end of that.
Speaker 3: How's that for?
Speaker 1: Remember the second film you saw?
Speaker 3: Fifth and six? We'll keep going until you mentioned the
Speaker 3: fifth and six?
Speaker 1: Okay, what was your fifth you know?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't remember sitting down? Go who remembers that?
Speaker 3: Who were sitting down and going this is the first
Speaker 3: movie I'm going to watch? Do you have that memory?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh, the Pirate movie. Some people do bang know it?
Speaker 1: Some people I think it was, and some people no
Speaker 1: idea right, no movies has appeared one day.
Speaker 3: I remember, like so, I remember very I remember The Godfather. Yeah,
Speaker 3: watching that when it was like some Channel nine special
Speaker 3: TV of event and it went from like seven thirty
Speaker 3: to eleven thirty because of ad breaks.
Speaker 1: Well, I would suggest it would have gone even longer
Speaker 1: with that, right.
Speaker 3: I remember it being this television event. And of course
Speaker 3: my dad is from Sicily and my friends because of
Speaker 3: this broadcast started calling my dad the mafia. Don just
Speaker 3: you know, I'm in the Mafia don velvat. I wish
Speaker 3: would you give me a bit more clout Parade College
Speaker 3: down there with my drama club crew and my dad
Speaker 3: is in the mafia would have helped. But I remember,
Speaker 3: I remember that that was a very long time ago,
Speaker 3: and I do remember watching that. I remember watching Rocky
Speaker 3: Horror for the first time and that was on it
Speaker 3: like eleven o'clock on a Saturday night on SBS or something,
Speaker 3: and I was like, holy, my mind exploded. It was like,
Speaker 3: you know, drag and gayness. So I remember obviously Wizard
Speaker 3: of Oz. That's probably the biggest memory is Wizard of
Speaker 3: Oz on VHR, smashing that every week. So I have
Speaker 3: huge memories of watching movies really young. I just don't
Speaker 3: remember my first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I've let you down. I feel like i've
Speaker 3: let you down. I've my podcast down.
Speaker 1: No listen, I mean, I will put some music or
Speaker 1: something else.
Speaker 3: I'm taking your advice. At what I need and what
Speaker 3: I want are two different things. You know, this podcast
Speaker 3: needs me to have things to say. I want to leave.
Speaker 3: It's just two different things.
Speaker 1: We have kept you captive in our studios for long
Speaker 1: enough how.
Speaker 3: About we staying here for six weeks.
Speaker 1: Let's just have we have a TV screen and here
Speaker 1: we could actually put some movies.
Speaker 3: On phone in the project. From your phone, we.
Speaker 1: Could record six podcasts a day and eventually you probably
Speaker 1: remember the first film you saw.
Speaker 3: That's a good point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what were you born eighty three? I'm going to
Speaker 1: predict the first film you saw was a Lamb before Time.
Speaker 3: Oh what a movie again, Look at the length that
Speaker 3: movie very short?
Speaker 1: Actually, fan, you remember it wrong. It was actually four
Speaker 1: and a half hours. Nate Valvo, you were an absolute
Speaker 1: joy to see on stage and also to hang out with.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for watching Beetlejes.
Speaker 3: It was my pleasure.
Speaker 4: Check check check cinera, check your body lane check check
Speaker 4: check cinera, check guitar the tamer Well, that.
Speaker 1: Was fun listening back to that, It really was. I
Speaker 1: really love Nate Valvo again. Go see him churing around
Speaker 1: the country comedy dot com dot au. We can also
Speaker 1: take a tickets to my show as well, Deconstructed Oragami.
Speaker 1: Some of you may have worked out by now why
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this show right at the moment. I
Speaker 1: may be busy somewhere else. And yeah, I may have
Speaker 1: something to talk about that live, So come see Deconstructed
Speaker 1: our Gami if you get the chance. Until then, next
Speaker 1: week on the show, we're gonna do another replay, a
Speaker 1: few more replays before we get into a brand new series.
Speaker 1: The episode we're replaying is Geraldine ickeys episode the Fantastic
Speaker 1: Geraldine Hickey who watched Harold and Maud for the first time,
Speaker 1: and I really loved that episode. And you can catch
Speaker 1: Jordaane Hickey touring around the country as well. Funny enough,
Speaker 1: So until then, bye for now, and so we leave
Speaker 1: Old Pete save fan Sut and to our friends of
Speaker 1: the radio audience, we've been a pleasant good night.