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Speaker 1: This is jam Nation with Jonesy.

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Speaker 2: You may have heard the Prime Minister on Saturday at

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Speaker 2: the Gama Festival discussing an introduction of the Voice to

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Speaker 2: Parliament to make changes to the Constitution to acknowledge the

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Speaker 2: history of First Nations people in Australia and give them

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Speaker 2: a sake.

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Speaker 1: I believe this country is ready for this reform, if

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Speaker 1: not now, when this.

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Speaker 2: Has been a long time coming, and maybe put to

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Speaker 2: a referendum to understand it more. We've got the Minister

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Speaker 2: for Indigenous Australians, Linda Bernie on the line. Good morning, minister,

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Speaker 2: good morning, nice to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Hello.

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Speaker 2: First, for people who don't know or haven't read what

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Speaker 2: the statement says, what does it mean to put this

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Speaker 2: into a constitution? What will be put in.

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Speaker 1: What this is about is a referendum, which you know

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Speaker 1: a lot of people listening to your to us for

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Speaker 1: sawning have probably never vowed in a successful reference. I

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Speaker 1: think the last one within nineteen seventy fall that was successful.

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Speaker 1: People might remember the ninety nine referendum about whether Australia

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Speaker 1: should become a republic. This proposal for a referendum sometime

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Speaker 1: in the first term of our government is about putting

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Speaker 1: a voice of Aboriginal and tarret straight under people into

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Speaker 1: the Constitution so that it's permanent and it can't be

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Speaker 1: gotten rid of by any government that doesn't like the

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Speaker 1: advice for getting. And it's really about two things, and

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Speaker 1: I'm just really really quickly. It's about making sure that

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Speaker 1: finally the Nations of the Certificate, the Constitution of Australia

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Speaker 1: recognizes the extraordinary history of our nation of sixty five

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Speaker 1: thousand years. But it's also putting into place a body

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Speaker 1: that will be able to advise the Parliament, and I

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Speaker 1: say advise the Parliament on issues that effective the daily

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Speaker 1: lives of Aboriginal people, like incarceration, like alcohol, like land rights,

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Speaker 1: all of the sorts of things that directly affect First

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Speaker 1: Nations people.

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Speaker 2: And have we not had that before in various ministries. No,

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Speaker 2: not really.

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Speaker 1: There has been a series of advisory groups to the

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Speaker 1: Parliament that have been created by legislation. What the ULARU statement,

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Speaker 1: which was five years ago, is the most beautiful, generous

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Speaker 1: invitation to the Australian people to walk alongside First Nations people,

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Speaker 1: and it is the most beautifully worded statement. It's online

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Speaker 1: if anyone wants to read it. It's called the Ulus

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Speaker 1: Shapement from my heart, and it talks about a voice

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Speaker 1: in the Constitution. It talks about truth telling, it talks

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Speaker 1: about agreement and treaty making. And the government that I'm

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Speaker 1: part of, led by time Minister Alban Easy, is committed

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Speaker 1: to the UU statement and I have to tell you

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Speaker 1: the speech he made on Saturday at Gama just made

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Speaker 1: me cry.

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Speaker 3: So why do people have a problem with this, Linda?

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Speaker 3: What are the detractors? Why don't they want to go

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Speaker 3: ahead with this?

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we are at the beginning of in many ways,

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Speaker 1: the discussions, the consensus that we need to build, the

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Speaker 1: consultations about taking this proposition forward. There has been ten

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Speaker 1: years of work already by expert advised panels, by very

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Speaker 1: parliamentary processes about what a voice might look like, how

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Speaker 1: it might be constituted. So that work sits there, and

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Speaker 1: part of my job is making sure that I look

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Speaker 1: at what's being done so far and take that forward.

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Speaker 1: That we are at the beginning of a process, and

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Speaker 1: as the Prime Minister are so wonderfully explained on on Saturday,

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Speaker 1: that the proposition is a simple one to the Australian people,

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Speaker 1: and you know what Australian people are decent, they are

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Speaker 1: fair and I think that will make a judgment that

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Speaker 1: it is about time that the Aboriginal people how to

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Speaker 1: say on what affects Aboriginal people.

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Speaker 2: I know that the Prime mister roomself has said it's

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Speaker 2: a big job to do because you don't want to

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Speaker 2: stir up things in the same way that same sex

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Speaker 2: marriage debate did making pros and cons. As you say,

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Speaker 2: it's a statement from the heart that it's inclusive. Let's

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Speaker 2: hold hands all together and walk towards it rather than

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Speaker 2: pros and cons.

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Speaker 1: Yes, look, absolutely amount of the the idea is that

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Speaker 1: this is this is not divisive, this is a way

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Speaker 1: forward and it's the next step really in the reconciliation process.

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Speaker 1: And I've always said that reconciliation is a journey, is

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Speaker 1: not necessarily a destination. But to have a voice in

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Speaker 1: our constitution is recognizing you know, all of us everyone

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Speaker 1: listening today, you all of us, you both and all

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Speaker 1: of us have a story of sixty five thousand years

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Speaker 1: and that's a source of pride for Austin.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely well, well said Linda, Well, thank you for that,

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Speaker 3: and you should go and have a look at the

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Speaker 3: ulus statement from the heart, because when this referendum comes around,

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Speaker 3: we just don't want to go in it, half asked,

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Speaker 3: pardon them. You want to gather, you want to read

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Speaker 3: this thing, and it's beautiful. It is to me. I'm

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Speaker 3: reading and I think, well, what's wrong with that? I

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Speaker 3: don't see the big deal.

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Speaker 2: No, it's a beautiful thing.

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Speaker 3: So Linda, thank you for your time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Minutest