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Speaker 2: Center, Good morning, Kadie.

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Speaker 1: Now, thank you for your time. I know you got

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Speaker 1: Now I know that that those calls from you to

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Speaker 1: Indigenous child sexual abuse have been voted down. You also

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Speaker 1: after Labour's voice to Parliament was rejected by Australians during

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Speaker 1: Saturday's referendum. What prompted you to make the most recent

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Speaker 1: call for a royal commission into Indigenous child sexual abuse.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's something that we've sought to ask for for

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Speaker 2: major issues and the cases that I know of, there's

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Speaker 2: And that's why I've called for it, and as I

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Speaker 3: To do that.

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Speaker 1: Just center what happened in the Senate, just when when

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Speaker 2: It was really quite disgusting the way that Senator Tim

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Speaker 2: I'm aware of a case right now that's been highlighted

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Speaker 2: it utterly sickening. And that during the Cox, the Senator

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Speaker 2: Robin being called the capital the sex abuse capital of Australia,

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Speaker 1: It probably will be no surprise to you. You know,

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Speaker 3: Well, firstly, it's absolutely disgraceful that the Senator for the

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Speaker 3: There was a whole section Katie, in the Royal Commission

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Speaker 1: So you're not concerned in any way, shape or form

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Speaker 3: The Senator needs to start coming out rather than Motherhood's statements,

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Speaker 2: It's not good enough. It's not good enough. And we're

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Speaker 1: Why do you reckon? There is this pushback, you know,

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Speaker 2: Probably highlights their incompetency. I don't get. I don't get

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Speaker 1: Before I let you go this morning, I mean, like,

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Speaker 1: But how are you and other leaders of the country

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Speaker 2: Look, I think what's most important is to what everybody

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Speaker 2: that's what this should be about, not us as individuals,

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Speaker 1: time this morning. How do you just want to check

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Speaker 1: are your mum and dad okay? After will be I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, they're pretty tough, both two. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: unfortunate that there are those who feel they're entitled to

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Speaker 2: my parents are tough, they're all right, they're doing well.

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Speaker 2: They'll be aware in terms of their security going forward.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time this morning. I

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Speaker 1: a chat with us, No worry.

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Speaker 2: Thank you,