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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families Podcast, the podcast for the type poor.

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Speaker 2: Parent who's just what answers Now.

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Speaker 1: I'm doctor Justin Coilson and I'm joined by Luken Susie,

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Speaker 1: husband and wife radio duo with three young boys. Myself, well,

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Speaker 1: my wife Kylie and I have six young daughters. Well,

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Speaker 1: actually the youngest is young. The oldest has been marriage.

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Speaker 1: She has just celebrated the first year anniversary. Can you

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Speaker 1: believe that? I can't believe that. I feel surprisingly young

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Speaker 1: for somebody who's got a daughter who's been married for

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Speaker 1: twelve months. Anyway, today, we just want our kids to

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Speaker 1: have amazing childhoods. I mean, that's what every parent dreams

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Speaker 1: of their children, looking back dreamily on all of those

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Speaker 1: wonderful experiences they had as families. But sometimes it feels

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Speaker 1: like we're never going to get there. If we want

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Speaker 1: them to have great childhoods, we want them to have

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Speaker 1: such special childhoods. How do we make that happen. We've

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Speaker 1: got a listener question that makes this a really great

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Speaker 1: conversation to have.

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Speaker 3: Melanie is the wisdom behind this question. I love it

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Speaker 3: so much and I'm going to be taking notes on

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Speaker 3: this one. She says, I feel like I'm failing at

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Speaker 3: creating good memories.

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Speaker 2: For my kids.

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Speaker 3: I see my friends doing amazing holidays and picnics, and

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Speaker 3: all I ever seem to do is just the basic

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Speaker 3: house work and getting the kids through their day. How

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Speaker 3: do I make sure my kids have happy memories of

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Speaker 3: their childhood?

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Speaker 1: Well, the first thing that I would say is stop

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Speaker 1: looking at everybody else. Teddy Roosevelt said comparison is the

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Speaker 1: thief of joy. And can I tell you there are

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Speaker 1: so many psychological studies that highlight the terrible undoing of

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Speaker 1: well being that comparison creates. So stop looking at everyone's

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Speaker 1: Instagram and Facebook. Just just give yourself a holiday from

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Speaker 1: it for a little while, because not only will you

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Speaker 1: stop comparing, but you'll also free up a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of time to make memories with your own children.

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Speaker 3: There's step one. So what actually makes good memories for

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Speaker 3: our kids? I think that's a really interesting thing to

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Speaker 3: look at here, because we can think it's the picnics

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Speaker 3: and the holidays and the amazing experiences. But I look

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Speaker 3: back and like, some of my favorite memories are just

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Speaker 3: sitting in front of the TV together as a family,

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Speaker 3: eating our meal and having funny conversations or dancing in

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Speaker 3: the lound room because Dad's put on his favorite record.

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Speaker 2: Or teasing my sister for her boyfriend when she was thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what was her name?

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Speaker 2: My sister's name was Lana. Her boyfriend's name was Marsh.

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Speaker 2: We call him Marsh Mellow and his friend Columbine.

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Speaker 1: I all remember the jokes, Nana's got a boyfriend. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's what you'd say, right, Or you'd say Lana and

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Speaker 1: Marsh sitting in the tree.

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Speaker 1: And isn't it funny that that's what makes memories? I

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Speaker 1: think that we want to now, if you've got the

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Speaker 1: capacity to, if you've got the capability and the resources

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Speaker 1: and the time to put on the special parties or

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Speaker 1: do the special picnics', that's wonderful. And there are some

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Speaker 1: parents who are able to do that, and I commend

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Speaker 1: you and more power to you. Every now and again,

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Speaker 1: my wife Kylie missus Happy Families. She'll invest a month

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Speaker 1: into putting on something amazing for the children and it's incredible.

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Speaker 1: We love it when we get to do that sort

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Speaker 1: of thing. But you can't do that every Saturday. You

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Speaker 1: can't do that on a you know, multiple times a

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Speaker 1: week sort of basis, the best way to find out

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Speaker 1: what the memories are that your children have, the best

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Speaker 1: memories that they can hang on to and grasp and

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Speaker 1: play with, is to ask them. So around the dinner table.

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Speaker 1: You know, I mean most families are familiar with the idea.

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Speaker 1: Now I've been talking about it for well over a decade.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, sit down, have your

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Speaker 1: evening meal, make sure all the screens are turned off,

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Speaker 1: me about the best thing that happened today. Those sorts

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Speaker 1: of let's reflect on the positive, let's savor and amplify

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Speaker 1: and magnify those positive moments of our days. Well, that's

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Speaker 1: And just recently we had a conversation around our table

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Speaker 1: life together, and then you've got to pause, ask the questions. Reflect.

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Speaker 1: There's actually a psychological phenomenon that Fred Bryant initially did

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Speaker 1: some science around called savoring, and savoring is the amplification

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Speaker 1: or magnification of a positive experience. We can save the

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Speaker 1: past experiences. We can save experiences right now when you

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Speaker 1: close your eyes and just be here. And you can

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Speaker 1: also savor the future before it even arrives. I can't

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Speaker 1: wait until the borders open up again and we can

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Speaker 1: go on that holiday that we were planning that we

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Speaker 1: Melanie sit down with the kids and say, let's savor

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Speaker 1: some of our favorite experiences. Let's talk about our best

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Speaker 1: times to together. What have they been, what are your

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Speaker 1: picnics and the fancy holidays and the beautiful restaurants. None

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Speaker 1: of that even comes into it. It might be that night,

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Speaker 1: like you said, Susie, where Dad put on one of

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Speaker 1: his best eighties songs and dance with Mum in the

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Speaker 1: number one memory. It's not hard to create those memories.

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Speaker 1: You just turn off the screens, turn on the music

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so can we explore the difference between quality and quantity,

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Speaker 2: like how many memories are enough memories?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? This is a really really interesting one. And I

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Speaker 1: an interesting number. I said, tell me about twelve minutes.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean in legal speak? And they said, well,

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Speaker 1: whether it's quality time or quantity time. It's all time

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Speaker 1: to our kids, and if we're doing something with them,

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Speaker 1: it is quality time. But the more of the time

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Speaker 1: are there diminishing returns. Yeah, you can probably spend four

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Speaker 2: It's interesting because when I think about memories by themselves,

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Speaker 2: like there was one of my favorite memories of Dad

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Speaker 2: But that's not a happy memory for me. That was

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Speaker 2: And I talked to him about this when I was

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Speaker 2: having a happy memory isn't necessarily consistent with overall everything

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Speaker 2: being happy. Like to me, that moment, that one moment

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Speaker 1: You know, there's some really good data, some a fascinating

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for sharing that. Look, it's so important. Ultimately,

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